As for more children, it's not impossible, and they'll definitely try... Oh perhaps, though we'll see how Edward is, growing up... I'll definitely post a tree for Henry VIII and his kids, probably some for the other dynasties too, once I check and see how recently they've been updated...Indeed! Especially if she, as you say, is the final child. Then she'll always be the baby in the family. I wouldn't be against a final chld for them, but seven surviving kids is certainly not a bad track record!
Her having a better upbringing will certainly do wonders I'd imagine. As to Eleanor's sons, Edward is very much the right age for a scandalous match with Kitty
You're welcome!I figured, I'd throw it on here, since it's been a while since we've had a family tree for them. We might need a big tree for the children of Henry VII again at some point though. The last one was in 1526
There and Back Again: The English Journeys of Catherine of Aragon
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Probably, though they also know that twin births are a bit riskier. With that said it does give Henry good reason to follow through on his promise not to joust anymore...
Tudor Family trees as of 1534
House of Tudor as of 1534
King Henry VIII of England (b.1491) m. Eleanor of Austria, Queen of England (b.1498) had issue (a), also has illegitimate issue by b) Jane Popincourt (b.1484, d.1533), c) Elizabeth, "Bessie" Blount (b.1498), d) Caroljin van Honing (b.1500) and e) Jane Seymour (b.1508)
1b) John Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond (b.1511) m. Margarery Kymbe, Duchess of Richmond (b.1506), no surviving issue
2a) Prince Henry, Duke of Cornwall (b. 1514, d.1514)
3c) Jasper Fitzroy, Duke of Clarence (b.1515) m. Agnes Willoughby, Duchess of Clarence and suo jure Baroness Willoughby de Eresby (b.1512), has issue
4a) Mary Tudor, Queen of Scotland (b.1516) m. King James V of Scotland (b.1512), no issue yet
5a) Princess Elizabeth Tudor (b.1517, d.1518)
6a) Henry, Prince of Wales (b.1521) eng. Maria de Aviz, Infanta of Portugal (b.1520)
7d) Bridget Fitzroy (b.1522) eng. Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey (b.1517)
8a) Prince Edward, Duke of York (b.1523) eng. Catherine of Denmark (b.1528)
9a) Stillborn daughter (1524)
10e) Miscarriage (1525)
11d) Alice Fitzroy (b.1525) eng. George Talbot, heir to the Earldom of Shrewsbury (b.1528)
12a) Princess Margaret Tudor (b.1527) eng. Phillip of Austria (b.1521)
13a) Princess Joan Tudor (b.1528)
14a) Prince Phillip, Duke of Kendal (b.1531)
15d) Helen Fitzroy (b.1531)
16a) Princess Cecily Tudor (b.1534)
17a) Stillborn son, twin of Cecily (1534)
John Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond (b.1511) m. Margarery Kymbe, Duchess of Richmond (b.1506) in December 1525, no living issue
1) Stillborn son (December 1526)
2) Stillborn daughter (1530)
3) Richard Fitzroy (b. April 1533, d. June1533)
Jasper Fitzroy, Duke of Clarence (b.1515) m. Agnes Willoughby, 2nd Baroness Willoughby de Eresby (b.1512), in 1531 has issue
1a) Elizabeth FitzClarence, (b. June 1532)
2a) Henry FitzClarence (b. July 1534)
Prince Charles, Duke of Somerset (b.1509) m. Anne Boleyn, Duchess of Somerset (b.1503), has issue
1) George of Somerset (b.1526) eng. Mary Grey (b.1529)
2) Joanna of Somerset (b.1529)
3) Henry of Somerset (b.1531)
4) John of Somerset (b.1533)
Very nice! Thank you
Do we get ones with Margaret, Mary, Katherine, Joanna and Mary jr. as well? (Although Mary jr. might still be a bit too young to have a kid)You're welcome! Yep, there will be a batch that comes out at some point, mostly going to be Mary, Catherine, and Joanna though, as Mary the younger is childless at the moment.Very nice! Thank you
To be honest I'm not the greatest with maps, though there haven't been any large territorial changes here yet..
Various Family trees, 1534
House of Oldenburg
Christian II of Denmark (b.1481) m. Mary Tudor, Queen of Denmark (b.1496) has issue
1) Stillborn son (1512)
2) John, Crown Prince of Denmark* (b.1514) m. Isabella of Poland (b.1517)
3) Dorothea of Denmark (b.1516, d.1516)
4) Christina of Denmark (b.1519) eng. Crown Prince* Sigismund of Poland (b.1520)
5) Elisabeth of Denmark (b.1521), Sickly and took religious orders
6) Henrik I of Sweden (b.1523) eng. Anna Sture (b.1518)
7) Margaret of Denmark (b.1526, d.1526)
8) Catherine of Denmark (b.1528) eng. Prince Edward, Duke of York (b.1523)
House of Jagellion
King Sigismund I of Poland (b.1467) m. Isabella of Austria, Queen of Poland (b.1501) has issue, also has OTL illegitimate issue
1) Isabella of Poland (b.1517) m. John, Crown Prince of Denmark (b.1514)
2) Crown Prince Sigismund of Poland (b.1520) eng. Christina of Denmark (b.1519)
3) Eleanor of Poland, (b.1521) eng. Renatus of Chalon (b.1519), heir to the Duchy of Württemberg (granted to Henry of Nassau in 1530)
4) Wojciech of Poland (b.1523, d.1523)
5) Phillip of Poland (b.1523) eng. Beatrice Sforza (b.1518)
6) Sophia of Poland (b.1526) eng. Maximillian of Austria (b.1525)
7) Margaret of Poland (b.1528)
8) Anna of Poland (b.1531, d.1531)
9) Stillborn daughter (1533)
House von Habsburg (Imperial Branch)
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1500) m. Catherine of England, Holy Roman Empress (b.1503) has issue, also has illegitimate issue by Johanna Maria van der Gheynst (b) (b.1505)
1a) Elisabeth of Austria (b.1520) m. Ernst I of Hungary (b.1518), no issue yet
2b) Gertrude of Austria (b.1521) eng. Frederick von Wittelsbach, heir to the Elector Palatine (b.1482)
3a) Phillip of Austria (b.1521) eng. Princess Margaret Tudor (b.1527)
4a) Mary of Austria (b.1523) eng. Massimiliano Sforza (b.1514)
5a) Maximillian of Austria (b.1525) eng. Sophia of Poland (b.1526)
Casa de Habsburgo (Spanish Habsburgs)
Ferdinand VI of Spain (b.1503) m. Isabella of Portugal, Queen of Spain (b.1503), has issue
1) Juan, Prince of Asturias (b.1519) eng. Infanta Beatriz (b.1524)
2) Infanta Maria (b.1520, d.1520)
3) Infante Ferdinand, Duke of Estremera (b.1522) eng. Ippolita Maria Sforza (b.1523)
4) Miscarriage (1524)
5) Infante Alfonso (b.1525) eng. Jeanne D’Albret Princess of Viana (b.1528)
6) Infanta Catalina (b.1527) eng. Dauphin Francis, Duke of Brittany (b.1518)
7) Infante Manuel (b.1530, d.1530)
8) Miscarriage (1532)
9) Stillborn daughter (1533)
10) Infanta Juana (b.1534)
Casa de Avis
Joao III of Portugal (b.1502) m. Catarina of Aragon, Queen of Portugal (b. 1507), has issue
1) Afonso, Prince of Portugal (b.1523, d.1523)
2) Infanta Beatriz (b.1524) eng. Juan, Prince of Asturias (b.1519)
3) Infanta Isabella (b.1527, d.1527)
4) Infanta Joana (b.1529, d.1529)
5) Manuel, Prince of Portugal (b.1531)
6) Infante Filipe (b.1533)
Infante Luís of Portugal, Duke of Beja (b.1506,) m. Ana de Toledo, Duchess of Beja (b.1515) also had illegitimate issue (b)
1b) António, Dedicated to the Church (b.1531)
2a) Pedro de Aviz (b.1533)
House D'Albret
Henry II of Navarre (b.1503) m. Blanca of Aragon, Queen of Navarre (b.1511) in August 1526, had issue
1) Jeanne D’Albret, Queen of Navarre (b.1528) eng. Infante Alfonso (b.1525)
2) Jean, Prince of Viana (b.1530, d.1530)
House of Sforza
Francesco II, Duke of Milan (b.1495) m. Bona Sforza, Duchess of Milan, and Suo Jure Duchess of Bari (b.1494) had issue
1) Isabella Sforza, Duchess of Amalfi (b.1514) m. Alfonso II Piccolomini, Duke of Amalfi (b.1499), had issue
2) Massimiliano Sforza (b.1514) eng. Mary of Austria (b.1523)
3) Stillborn son (1516)
4) Beatrice Sforza (b.1518) eng. Phillip of Poland (b.1523)
5) Giovanni Sforza (b.1521, d.1521)
6) Ippolita Maria Sforza (b.1523) eng. Infante Ferdinand, Duke of Estremera (b.1522)
7) Ascanio Sforza, heir to the Duchy of Bari (b.1526) eng. Anna d'Este (b.1531)
8) Bianca Maria Sforza (b.1528) eng. Antonio Orsini, Duke of Gravina (b.1521)
House of Valois
Francis I of France (b.1494) m. Claude of France, Queen of France, and Suo Jure Duchess of Brittany (b.1499, d.1524) had issue (A), second marriage to Joanna Tudor, Queen of France (b.1508) in 1525 also had issue (B)
1a) Princess Louise of France (b.1515, d.1518)
2a) Princess Charlotte of France (b.1516, d.1524)
3a) Dauphin Francis, Duke of Brittany (b.1518) eng. Catalina of Aragon(b.1527)
4a) Prince Henri, Duke of Angoulême (b.1519) m. Catherine de Medici, Duchess of Angoulême (b.1519)
5a) Princess Madeline of France (b.1520)
6a) Prince Charles, Duke of Orléans (b.1522) eng. Amalia of Cleves (b.1517)
7a) Princess Marguerite of France (b.1523) eng. Emmanuel Philibert heir to the Duke of Savoy (b.1528)
8a) Miscarriage (1524)
9b) Princess Jeanne of France (b.1527)
10b) Princess Marie of France (b.1529)
11b) Miscarriage (1531)
12b) Prince Jean, Duc D'Anjou (b.1532)
House de Bourbon
Charles III, Duke of Bourbon (b.1490) m.Marguerite d'Angoulême, Duchess of Bourbon (b.1492)
1) Claire de Bourbon Marchioness of Saluzzo (b.1520) m. Gian Gabriele I Marquess of Saluzzo (b.1501)
2) Gilbert de Bourbon (b.1521) eng. Renée de Bourbon (b.1527)
3) Louis de Bourbon (b.1525, d.1526)
4) Charlotte de Bourbon, Duchess of Nemours (b.1530, d.) eng. Jacques de Savoie, heir to the duc de Nemours (b.1531)
5) Louise de Bourbon (b.1534)
House of Lorraine
Francis of Lorraine (b.1517) m. Anne of Cleves (b.1515) had issue
1) Stillborn son (1533)
Louis de Lorraine, Count de Vaudémont (b.1500) m. Catherine Parr, Countess de Vaudémont (b.1512) in 1527 had issue
1) Yolande de Lorraine, (b.1528)
2) René de Lorraine (b.1530)
3) Thomas de Lorraine (b.1532)
4) Jeanne de Lorraine (b.1534, d.1534)
House della Rovere
Guidobaldo II della Rovere, Duke of Urbino (b.1514) m. Amalia of Cleves, Duchess of Urbino (b.1517), had issue
1) Francesco Maria della Rovere (b.1533)
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*Yes I'm aware that the title technically didn't exist, but this is to keep me from going insane.
Christian II of Denmark (b.1481) m. Mary Tudor, Queen of Denmark (b.1496) has issue
1) Stillborn son (1512)
2) John, Crown Prince of Denmark* (b.1514) m. Isabella of Poland (b.1517)
3) Dorothea of Denmark (b.1516, d.1516)
4) Christina of Denmark (b.1519) eng. Crown Prince* Sigismund of Poland (b.1520)
5) Elisabeth of Denmark (b.1521), Sickly and took religious orders
6) Henrik I of Sweden (b.1523) eng. Anna Sture (b.1518)
7) Margaret of Denmark (b.1526, d.1526)
8) Catherine of Denmark (b.1528) eng. Prince Edward, Duke of York (b.1523)
House of Jagellion
King Sigismund I of Poland (b.1467) m. Isabella of Austria, Queen of Poland (b.1501) has issue, also has OTL illegitimate issue
1) Isabella of Poland (b.1517) m. John, Crown Prince of Denmark (b.1514)
2) Crown Prince Sigismund of Poland (b.1520) eng. Christina of Denmark (b.1519)
3) Eleanor of Poland, (b.1521) eng. Renatus of Chalon (b.1519), heir to the Duchy of Württemberg (granted to Henry of Nassau in 1530)
4) Wojciech of Poland (b.1523, d.1523)
5) Phillip of Poland (b.1523) eng. Beatrice Sforza (b.1518)
6) Sophia of Poland (b.1526) eng. Maximillian of Austria (b.1525)
7) Margaret of Poland (b.1528)
8) Anna of Poland (b.1531, d.1531)
9) Stillborn daughter (1533)
House von Habsburg (Imperial Branch)
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1500) m. Catherine of England, Holy Roman Empress (b.1503) has issue, also has illegitimate issue by Johanna Maria van der Gheynst (b) (b.1505)
1a) Elisabeth of Austria (b.1520) m. Ernst I of Hungary (b.1518), no issue yet
2b) Gertrude of Austria (b.1521) eng. Frederick von Wittelsbach, heir to the Elector Palatine (b.1482)
3a) Phillip of Austria (b.1521) eng. Princess Margaret Tudor (b.1527)
4a) Mary of Austria (b.1523) eng. Massimiliano Sforza (b.1514)
5a) Maximillian of Austria (b.1525) eng. Sophia of Poland (b.1526)
Casa de Habsburgo (Spanish Habsburgs)
Ferdinand VI of Spain (b.1503) m. Isabella of Portugal, Queen of Spain (b.1503), has issue
1) Juan, Prince of Asturias (b.1519) eng. Infanta Beatriz (b.1524)
2) Infanta Maria (b.1520, d.1520)
3) Infante Ferdinand, Duke of Estremera (b.1522) eng. Ippolita Maria Sforza (b.1523)
4) Miscarriage (1524)
5) Infante Alfonso (b.1525) eng. Jeanne D’Albret Princess of Viana (b.1528)
6) Infanta Catalina (b.1527) eng. Dauphin Francis, Duke of Brittany (b.1518)
7) Infante Manuel (b.1530, d.1530)
8) Miscarriage (1532)
9) Stillborn daughter (1533)
10) Infanta Juana (b.1534)
Casa de Avis
Joao III of Portugal (b.1502) m. Catarina of Aragon, Queen of Portugal (b. 1507), has issue
1) Afonso, Prince of Portugal (b.1523, d.1523)
2) Infanta Beatriz (b.1524) eng. Juan, Prince of Asturias (b.1519)
3) Infanta Isabella (b.1527, d.1527)
4) Infanta Joana (b.1529, d.1529)
5) Manuel, Prince of Portugal (b.1531)
6) Infante Filipe (b.1533)
Infante Luís of Portugal, Duke of Beja (b.1506,) m. Ana de Toledo, Duchess of Beja (b.1515) also had illegitimate issue (b)
1b) António, Dedicated to the Church (b.1531)
2a) Pedro de Aviz (b.1533)
House D'Albret
Henry II of Navarre (b.1503) m. Blanca of Aragon, Queen of Navarre (b.1511) in August 1526, had issue
1) Jeanne D’Albret, Queen of Navarre (b.1528) eng. Infante Alfonso (b.1525)
2) Jean, Prince of Viana (b.1530, d.1530)
House of Sforza
Francesco II, Duke of Milan (b.1495) m. Bona Sforza, Duchess of Milan, and Suo Jure Duchess of Bari (b.1494) had issue
1) Isabella Sforza, Duchess of Amalfi (b.1514) m. Alfonso II Piccolomini, Duke of Amalfi (b.1499), had issue
2) Massimiliano Sforza (b.1514) eng. Mary of Austria (b.1523)
3) Stillborn son (1516)
4) Beatrice Sforza (b.1518) eng. Phillip of Poland (b.1523)
5) Giovanni Sforza (b.1521, d.1521)
6) Ippolita Maria Sforza (b.1523) eng. Infante Ferdinand, Duke of Estremera (b.1522)
7) Ascanio Sforza, heir to the Duchy of Bari (b.1526) eng. Anna d'Este (b.1531)
8) Bianca Maria Sforza (b.1528) eng. Antonio Orsini, Duke of Gravina (b.1521)
House of Valois
Francis I of France (b.1494) m. Claude of France, Queen of France, and Suo Jure Duchess of Brittany (b.1499, d.1524) had issue (A), second marriage to Joanna Tudor, Queen of France (b.1508) in 1525 also had issue (B)
1a) Princess Louise of France (b.1515, d.1518)
2a) Princess Charlotte of France (b.1516, d.1524)
3a) Dauphin Francis, Duke of Brittany (b.1518) eng. Catalina of Aragon(b.1527)
4a) Prince Henri, Duke of Angoulême (b.1519) m. Catherine de Medici, Duchess of Angoulême (b.1519)
5a) Princess Madeline of France (b.1520)
6a) Prince Charles, Duke of Orléans (b.1522) eng. Amalia of Cleves (b.1517)
7a) Princess Marguerite of France (b.1523) eng. Emmanuel Philibert heir to the Duke of Savoy (b.1528)
8a) Miscarriage (1524)
9b) Princess Jeanne of France (b.1527)
10b) Princess Marie of France (b.1529)
11b) Miscarriage (1531)
12b) Prince Jean, Duc D'Anjou (b.1532)
House de Bourbon
Charles III, Duke of Bourbon (b.1490) m.Marguerite d'Angoulême, Duchess of Bourbon (b.1492)
1) Claire de Bourbon Marchioness of Saluzzo (b.1520) m. Gian Gabriele I Marquess of Saluzzo (b.1501)
2) Gilbert de Bourbon (b.1521) eng. Renée de Bourbon (b.1527)
3) Louis de Bourbon (b.1525, d.1526)
4) Charlotte de Bourbon, Duchess of Nemours (b.1530, d.) eng. Jacques de Savoie, heir to the duc de Nemours (b.1531)
5) Louise de Bourbon (b.1534)
House of Lorraine
Francis of Lorraine (b.1517) m. Anne of Cleves (b.1515) had issue
1) Stillborn son (1533)
Louis de Lorraine, Count de Vaudémont (b.1500) m. Catherine Parr, Countess de Vaudémont (b.1512) in 1527 had issue
1) Yolande de Lorraine, (b.1528)
2) René de Lorraine (b.1530)
3) Thomas de Lorraine (b.1532)
4) Jeanne de Lorraine (b.1534, d.1534)
House della Rovere
Guidobaldo II della Rovere, Duke of Urbino (b.1514) m. Amalia of Cleves, Duchess of Urbino (b.1517), had issue
1) Francesco Maria della Rovere (b.1533)
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*Yes I'm aware that the title technically didn't exist, but this is to keep me from going insane.
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You're welcome, it gave me an oppurtunity to plot some things that I hadn't initially planned!
Sorry to nitpick, but it's the House of Albret 😅 I know the autocorrect doesn't help and is often confused about it ahah.
can you remind me when Catherine Parr became Countess of Vaudémont ? It's very interesting that she's in a position to influence the Lorraine/Guise religiously ...
excellent work!
can you remind me when Catherine Parr became Countess of Vaudémont ? It's very interesting that she's in a position to influence the Lorraine/Guise religiously ...
excellent work!
No, it's fine, thank you, actually!!! Catherine Parr married the Count of Vaudémont in 1527, as she was a maid of honor to Joanna Tudor, Francis I's second wife, and she came to fall in love with the Count as she got older.
Chapter 186, July 1534
Alcázar de los Reyes Cristianos, Kingdom of Castile, July 1534
It had been a fine day, one best spent outside, for the weather was much more mild than usual. The hunt proceeded as planned, and the teenaged Prince of Asturias brought down the boar with his bow, with the killing blow coming from his father, King Ferdinand, as it was dying on the forest floor. Catalina saw it all, having also taken part in the hunt, and managed to kill a partridge with her crossbow. The hunting party only included some of the family; Ferdinand, her nephew’s elder two sons, and herself, in addition to Maria de Salinas’s son, Martin Fernández Manrique, and some members of the nobility. Queen Isabella was not in attendance; she abhorred the violence of hunting. Catalina’s only child was also absent, as Juana had planned a little gathering for the royal women of the court, enjoying chocolate, imported from the conquest of New Spain. Though Catalina too liked the drink, she simply couldn’t pass up an opportunity for a good hunt.
Catalina was helped off her horse by one of the grooms, not that she needed it, but she accepted it nonetheless. Years of activity, hunts such as these, and travel, coupled with the fact that she had been pregnant just three times over eighteen years, meant that she was in fine form. She was stocky, she always had been, but the woman was muscular, rather than fat.
It was then that the King of Spain flicked his head over to her, being at the other end of the courtyard, and beckoned for her to join her.
The Dowager Queen dipped her head and did so, ever the dutiful subject.
They silently strolled to a more private part of the courtyard, where there was just a pair of watchmen to ensure nobody intruded. Catalina was curious, but would not question the man, surely, he had a good reason for this.
The King of Spain adjusted the back part of his mid-length hair, something which he often did when he was stressed,“I do worry about Juanfrewer sometimes. If he will grow to be a wise King, or if he will be reckless. Indulgent even…”
“What do you mean? He performed quite well in the hunt today. He’s not unwilling to fight, if that is what you fear.”
Ferdinand sighed, his shoulders slumped,”My son has a bastard. I fear that he has sinned too much for a boy of fifteen.”
Catalina shook her head,”How unfortunate. By whom?”
“A servant girl a few years older than him. A laundress, I believe.”
“I assume this has been settled honorably?”
“Si, as much as it can be. Senorita Aguilar will be given a suitable husband and a pension, with little Maria acknowledged as the daughter of the Prince. Once she is of age, we will work with her stepfather to find her a grandee to wed.”
Catalina gave her nephew a reassuring smile,”It’s settled then.
Ferdinand had a rather intense look on his face, something between anger and disappointment,”It was still a mistake. The sons of Kings do not sire children outside of marriage, and especially not with servants! Such foolishness must not be repeated!”
“Some men are by nature more vulnerable to temptations of flesh than others. Your grandfather was no exception, yet he was still a great King. This isn’t good of course, but we just need to manage the Prince, if you are too harsh he may double down.”
The King’s was still angry,”I am his father! He is bound to obey me in all things!”
“He just needs time, and other things to do as your heir. It’s different, than when your grandfather and I convinced the Cortes of your succession. The Prince’s fate was always known, yours was not. Have you considered that he may be weary of life at the same castles as the younger ones all the time? Juan is a man grown; you need to recognize that.”
There was a shift in Ferdinand, he did not smile, but his voice lost its edge,“I could have him go on a tour of his own. Something that requires him to exercise authority. I know what I’ll do. He’ll visit the most important cities of Aragon: Barcelona, Zaragoza and Huesca. There Prince Juan will see to administration, inspect the garrison. It will keep him busy. The Duke of Alba will keep an eye on him, keep him away from people of ill repute. Do you believe that would be beneficial?”
“Of course. Your Majesty has never needed such measures, but they will help The Prince. I will pray for him, and your success, Your Majesty…”
The two exchanged a gentle smile, and then parted ways, for their respective business called.
…
The chocolate gathering, it would turn out, had stretched into the early evening, and was not due to end until dinner. So, Catalina had been blessed with the opportunity to join at the tail end of the function, though the Queen and the Infanta Catalina had already retired. This left the Queen Mother Juana, the Dowager Queen Germaine (on a visit from Aragon), and the Infanta Maria to partake in the exotic and expensive drink.
They were discussing Maria’s engagement to the Prince of Wales, and the eventual nuptials were to come once young Henry were to occur shortly after he turned fifteen. It would be a lovely spring wedding, and Catalina would be there to help her daughter adjust to her new life.
They all sat at a circular table together, made for such occasions, with Juana grinning at the head of the table,“You’ll have him wrapped around your finger in no time. My grandson’s portrait indicates that he will be handsome, no doubt. Just like his father and grandfather. Just flatter him, and smile, and he’ll be all yours. For most men that’s all it takes. Your mother may pretend otherwise, but they’re simpler than she thinks.”
Maria squirmed while she giggled,“Oh, you’re so funny Auntie Juana!”
It wasn’t flattery, Maria truly thought so, and Catalina had to admit that Juana always provided some diversion, just as good as the playing cards that Catalina was so fond of.
Juana gently wiped her face with a napkin, “I know sweetie, everyone keeps telling me. Anyways, there’s this new dance, the volta. Well, new to England, luckily my daughter has been bringing those people some culture. You and your mother simply must show them how much style we Spaniards have.”
Catalina laughed,”I don’t think I’ll be dancing at the English court. I’m rather old for such things, it would not be proper for a widow…”
Maria’s lips briefly twisted into a pout, and she returned to sipping her chocolate.
The Dowager Queen of Portugal spoke again,”Well maybe I can do a dance or two for you, my dear. The King and Queen of England are both family to me, so it would be appropriate. In fact, why don’t we practice later with Her Majesty, the Dowager Queen Germaine.”
Germaine de Foix nodded her head, she may wear black, but she still enjoyed the pleasures of life,”That would be most pleasing to me.”
And so, the events of the rest of the night were planned. Catalina knew there was no harm in such things, after all, practice would help Maria to be a pleasing partner to the Prince of Wales. As for Catalina herself, well, she endeavored to savor every moment that remained with her Spanish kin, for they had less than two years until she left her home forever.
So what of it? A bastard or two before marriage is good. Makes people know that he is fertile. Boys will be boys.
Oh you're right, Ferdinand is a bit of a prude about such things though...
Given the number of pregnancies he put Anne through otl and the lack of bastards, it seems fairly likely that he stuck to his marriage bed, so it seems appropriate
Also, lovely to see the Spanish royal family relaxing together. It’ll be interesting when Maria and Catalina have to leave for England soon. Will Juana be allowed to travel with them and visit her daughter? Or does she have to stay in Castile as queen?