I think this is the key point, a country where an regional commander can launch carry out an independent foreign policy and launch unprovoked wars is not a stable country with a good long term trajectory. If the US had gone all in they might have liberated bits of West and North Africa but they weren't going to touch the core of Drakian territory. Then when the US statocracy overreaches and manages to unite the Pan-asians and Europe against it and it will I wonder what will happen to those areas liberated from the Drakians?
Separated at Birth: America and Drakia
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I think this is the key point, a country where an regional commander can launch carry out an independent foreign policy and launch unprovoked wars is not a stable country with a good long term trajectory. If the US had gone all in they might have liberated bits of West and North Africa but they weren't going to touch the core of Drakian territory. Then when the US statocracy overreaches and manages to unite the Pan-asians and Europe against it and it will I wonder what will happen to those areas liberated from the Drakians?
I would point out that irc EBR mentioned Klein soft-couping the Republic was a fringe scenario for if he rolled a perfect 20 or something like that. Probably the best case scenario would have been both sides whiffing so Klein could get sacked while the Drakians still lost.
It was still enough an issue to New York for them to sack him.
Unfortunately, the dice rolled that way and the actions done had that unfortunate permutation of having Klein and the war being discredited first before its conclusion.
I'm very curious about how this universe's America is going to look once it gets back on its feet. Rogue military commanders followed by defeat, betrayal by allies (if I'm not mistaken) and secession would scar any country. I wouldn't be surprised if they come back militaristic as ever, possibly with a helping of righteous anger.
Given the other thread you participate a lot in it shouldn't be a surprise: F A S C I S T A M E R I C A
I think this can exist with an angry as hell America simultaneously:
"Regardless of what language you speak, what God you worship, and what race you are, we all believe in the same American values. We're all Americans. And we've all been screwed by those damn foreigners!"
Anger is what makes America great.
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"The Asian diaspora is your friend, our American Hyungdeul. We can lend help in spreading utopianist ideals to our homelands and toppling the TYRANNICAL FASHY REGIME IN TOKYO!"
- Alice Yong-sun in the Political Utopianist Conference held in 1957
Well, we all knew that Utopianism (Communism) was at least not as ubiquitous as it was IOTL, and organised labour may be discredited by those strikes. However, it was still interesting that there were still a significant amount of population willing to vote on that in California. Could those votes have mainly come from the Asians, chaffing under the American society's leery glare for so long? That was still 19%. Surely, other ethnic groups must have voted for her.
Anyways, Utopianists could just focus on the "current and continuous struggle" and the "political nitty-gritty" and declare themselves as a "gracious vanguard" that would put those "politically errant" workers and unions "on line," dropping pretense on trying to achieve that decay of society, in contrast to the "idealism and half-heartedness" of its 40's self.
EDIT: How much has Fascism been discredited in America, anyways? Is it enough for New York peeps to topple that abominable Phalanx Statue on New York harbor?
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It's been discredited literally not at all. They still have yet to come into their moment, it wasn't a fascist party in charge that screwed everything up.
Ephraim Ben Raphael
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Alas gentlemen (or ladies?) Simeon rolled and he got...
Alas, Fortuna is a true blue Societist. It's how she was raised anyway.
I would read that.
Yes, and it's much more successful ITTL.
I'm not going to weigh in on the debate, but If my TL is inspiring such fierce discussion then I must be doing something right.
Good questions.
That's what makes using bonded conscripts practical at all. It has a point of diminishing return though.
Situationism is multicultural and multiracial, but not anti-self-determination. The however, is that what you're describing will happen- just in a different part of the Japanese Empire.
I love this, and do you mind if I steal a bit of the language for when I describe Situationism proper?
Klein hard-couping the scenario was a fringe possibility, him using his victories in the Middle East as ammunition against Perdue and a springboard to win the presidency, thus leaving the Admiral and Navy essentially in control of the USA was a strong scenario.
The Nationalist approach of "multiculturalism but not multiracialism" has been discredited, but fascism remains a major movement in American politics.
Working on the next chapter guys! Later this week, hopefully.
Wonder if the United States ever did any Brazilian styled whitening programs in this universe since they absorbed most of Central America.
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By that, will we get a "Luke, I am your father" moment? even just for the shits and giggles
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So the next chapter is done, I just need to edit it and find pictures, and it should go up tomorrow. It would go up today, but I am (whilst responsibly distancing) having drinks with some friends (including a retired Superintendent who is writing me a letter of recommendation I need).
Just wanted to take note of a milestone for this TL; Chapter 16 has become the first post in Separated at Birth to hit 100 likes! Shout out to @Dumanios for being the 100th like. I can now say for a fact that at least a hundred people have read this TL and liked it enough to "like" at least one post, and I'm feeling pretty good about myself atm.
Just wanted to take note of a milestone for this TL; Chapter 16 has become the first post in Separated at Birth to hit 100 likes! Shout out to @Dumanios for being the 100th like. I can now say for a fact that at least a hundred people have read this TL and liked it enough to "like" at least one post, and I'm feeling pretty good about myself atm.
I guess that makes me the 101th like.So the next chapter is done, I just need to edit it and find pictures, and it should go up tomorrow. It would go up today, but I am (whilst responsibly distancing) having drinks with some friends (including a retired Superintendent who is writing me a letter of recommendation I need).
Just wanted to take note of a milestone for this TL; Chapter 16 has become the first post in Separated at Birth to hit 100 likes! Shout out to @Dumanios for being the 100th like. I can now say for a fact that at least a hundred people have read this TL and liked it enough to "like" at least one post, and I'm feeling pretty good about myself atm.
I am unfond of dystopias as a rule, but this particular dystopia is well-built. My compliments to the author!
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I define a "dystopia" that is completely unrealistic. I don't think the world TTL is anything that would be out of the ordinary.
I do not. Lots of terrible situations can exist quite plausibly and could be reasonably called dystopias. I think we are living one right now, to some degree.
Might something be unlikely? Sure, but unlikely things happen for good and for ill. I am inclined to think that we were very lucky to have as peaceful a dissolution of the Soviet empire as we did, and that we were unlucky to have the Nazis take over a Germany inclined towards revisionism and use it to commit the sorts of atrocities that lead us to question our entire worldview.
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