Which is a little unfortunate- Perdue was a well-meaning President who introduced Geoist economic reforms and fought to maintain civilian control over the military. But all he's going to be remembered for is losing to Drakia.
Kinda like Neville Chamberlain: all he's remembered for was kissing Hitler's ass at Munich, but that was such a shitty decision that he deserves to live in infamy for it.

Perdue could have won the war and then had Klein put on trial for his crime. He chose the worst option: bend over and let Drakia walk all over the US
 
Kinda like Neville Chamberlain: all he's remembered for was kissing Hitler's ass at Munich, but that was such a shitty decision that he deserves to live in infamy for it.

Perdue could have won the war and then had Klein put on trial for his crime. He chose the worst option: bend over and let Drakia walk all over the US
It wasn't the worst option though, he saved how our system is supposed to work, with Civilian control over the military.
 
Perdue could have won the war and then had Klein put on trial for his crime. He chose the worst option: bend over and let Drakia walk all over the US
Yeah that'll be a great sell to the Public:

"Hey guys remeber how we sacrificed thousands of our boys to fight the Draka and won? Well that war was illegal and shouldn't of been waged and the Super charismatic Admiral, who just announced his Presidential Campagin should be put under arrrest"

Just perfect PR
 
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It wasn't the worst option though, he saved how our system is supposed to work, with Civilian control over the military.
Yeah that'll be a great sell to the Public:

"Hey guys remeber how we sacrificed thousands of our boys to fight the Draka and won? Well that war was illegal and shouldn't of been waged and the Super charismatic Admiral, who just announced his Presidential Campagin should be put under arrrest"

Just perfect PR
Small comfort now that Drakia is ten times as powerful, established massive new alliances, and enslaved tens of millions more people. Regardless of how it started, the answer isn't simply to just bend over for your mortal enemy. At least try to negotiate from a position of strength... a Jewish independent nation and freedom for Mesopotamia at the minimum
 
You know a Drakia and it's client states as of 1950 ISOT'ed to OTL 1950 timeline would he interesting.
I hope it end up with NATO and the Soviet Union teaming up against the snakes. :evilsmile:

Edit: oh wait Russia is included with the client states? Than it became even more messed up...
The USA should nuke those bast**ds (I mean Drakia of course)
 
Klein was born in 1885 and is 71 as of 1956. Stoker was born in 1864 and was 86 in 1950 when he finally died. The state of medical technology is well ahead of OTL though, and members of the global elite with access to the best doctors routinely make it into their 80s and early 90s.
I do wonder with the threat of biological warfare being present if it'll become the norm to wear masks and rubber. Who knows maybe the teenagers in the 90's will be custom gas masks has fashion trends...

Anyway's I do wonder how the medical field will advance the future alongside biology and genetics in general considering how far ahead this world is compared to OTL, even if they lack nukes.

Also any chance they've developed Nanoscale vacuum channel transistor?
 
I do wonder with the threat of biological warfare being present if it'll become the norm to wear masks and rubber. Who knows maybe the teenagers in the 90's will be custom gas masks has fashion trends...

Anyway's I do wonder how the medical field will advance the future alongside biology and genetics in general considering how far ahead this world is compared to OTL, even if they lack nukes.

Also any chance they've developed Nanoscale vacuum channel transistor?
I doubt that the mentality of fear will ever become powerful enough to overcome the sheer discomfort of wearing breathing masks on a regular basis. Seriously, that shit's uncomfortable (and also expensive, for example, the filters of the M50 JSGPM are only good for a limited time, which becomes far more limited under contaminated conditions).
 

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Honestly, if Drakia just appeared out of nowhere I would be tempted it the McArthur treatment and just nuking it straight to hell were it belongs (especially since they don't have nukes yet).
There are a bunch of innocent people(slaves) who would die if you nuked the whole thing. Just nuke Aurica and some big cities in the Nest and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down .
 
There are a bunch of innocent people(slaves) who would die if you nuked the whole thing. Just nuke Aurica and some big cities in the Nest and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down .
Africa after the fall of Drakia is going to be the Yugoslav Wars writ large across a continent, so don't get your hopes too high.
 
After everyone directly involved has been dead for a decade or two Perdue's probably going to be quietly vindicated in academic circles, yet still remain as a pop culture meme among the ranks of Arnold and Chamberlain. The saddest thing about it all is that, much like Chamberlain's everything-just-shy-of-military-intervention attempts to force Germany to back down and/or get less Nazi elements to hold sway in the German government, in a saner world Perdue's unflagging energy would eventually get around to the Drakian problem and would likely have deftly set up the foundation for the Fall of the Aurica Wall a couple administrations after him.
 
Kinda like Neville Chamberlain: all he's remembered for was kissing Hitler's ass at Munich, but that was such a shitty decision that he deserves to live in infamy for it.

Perdue could have won the war and then had Klein put on trial for his crime. He chose the worst option: bend over and let Drakia walk all over the US
Small comfort now that Drakia is ten times as powerful, established massive new alliances, and enslaved tens of millions more people. Regardless of how it started, the answer isn't simply to just bend over for your mortal enemy. At least try to negotiate from a position of strength... a Jewish independent nation and freedom for Mesopotamia at the minimum
Please. The President has no special obligation to the people of Judea or Mesopotamia, nor is he obligated to put securing their independence over the best interests of the American people, and losing control of the American military is not worth a limited victory against a foreign adversary. Klein in his actions critically undermined civilian control of the American military committed high treason and started a war for his own gain in order to save his own skin.

Do you honestly think any American President would've willfully fought a war started on false pretenses for the sole purpose of saving the skin of an ambitious 5-star admiral? No, Perdue did the right thing, he put the kibosh on Klein's plans, reaffirmed civilian control over the military and made it clear that no one tells the President what to do. Was what Perdue did the right thing in regards to the people of the region? No, but the President of the United States has no obligations to anyone beyond the people of the United States and letting the United States Navy turn into a miniature of the Japanese armed forces in the interwar era with a complete inability and unwillingness to follow orders from Tokyo would not have been in the best interests of the American people. How long until the USN views itself as the only thing maintaining to the New Order of the Ages? How Long until the marines are sent in to topple governments on orders, not from Washington but fleet command Singapore?

Perdue picked the best option in a shit deck and it's not his fault Klein put him in that position. It's a shame US Marshals failed to grab him and it's a shame he never met his day in front of a firing squad.

Benjamin Franklin said:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
 
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Please. The President has no special obligation to the people of Judea or Mesopotamia, nor is he obligated to put securing their independence over the best interests of the American people, and losing control of the American military is not worth a limited victory against a foreign adversary. Klein in his actions critically undermined civilian control of the American military committed high treason and started a war for his own gain in order to save his own skin.

Do you honestly think any American President would've willfully fought a war started on false pretenses for the sole purpose of saving the skin of an ambitious 5-star admiral? No, Perdue did the right thing, he put the kibosh on Klein's plans, reaffirmed civilian control over the military and made it clear that no one tells the President what to do. Was what Perdue did the right thing in regards to the people of the region? No, but the President of the United States has no obligations to anyone beyond the people of the United States and letting the United States Navy turn into a miniature of the Japanese armed forces in the interwar era with a complete inability and unwillingness to follow orders from Tokyo would not have been in the best interests of the American people. How long until the USN views itself as the only thing maintaining to the New Order of the Ages? How Long until the marines are sent in to topple governments on orders, not from Washington but fleet command Singapore?

Perdue picked the best option in a shit deck and it's not his fault Klein put him in that position. It's a shame US Marshals failed to grab him and it's a shame he never met his day in front of a firing squad.
Perdue was a fool, at least in retrospective. America now has a strong enemy in the Atlantic and Europe due to his actions, or lack thereof. If they get nukes, and they will get, this only becomes worse.

He should've sacked Klein and put another commander in his place, destroying Draka here and there. This would certainly be worth more than the pointless war America fought in the Pacific against Japan and India.

Even with Perdue knowledge at the time, choosing to fight Draka was THE right course of action.
 
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Perdue was a fool, at least in retrospective. America now has a strong enemy in the Atlantic and Europe due to his actions, or lack thereof. If they get nukes, and they will get, this only becomes worse.

He should've sacked Klein and put another commander in his place, destroying Draka here and there. This would certainly be worth more than the pointless war America fought in the Pacific against Japan and India.

Even with Perdue knowledge at the time, choosing to fight Draka was THE right course of action.
Uh-huh yeah, sacking the architect of the conflict before then proceeding to fight a said war which you sacked him for starting, sending American soldiers off to die for a war which has quite clearly been labelled as one started on false pretenses. Actually you're not even fighting Klein's conflict as even he wasn't going after the whole Drakian Empire just the near east, actually crushing the Drakians would've been a long, drawn-out war which would've taxed even the American giant and leave it in a perfect position to be caught in the rear by the Pan-Asian Alliance.

Does that sound like a reasonable course of action to anyone who isn't a complete and total war hawk?
 

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Uh-huh yeah, sacking the architect of the conflict before then proceeding to fight a said war which you sacked him for starting, sending American soldiers off to die for a war which has quite clearly been labelled as one started on false pretenses. Actually you're not even fighting Klein's conflict as even he wasn't going after the whole Drakian Empire just the near east, actually crushing the Drakians would've been a long, drawn-out war which would've taxed even the American giant and leave it in a perfect position to be caught in the rear by the Pan-Asian Alliance.

Does that sound like a reasonable course of action to anyone who isn't a complete and total war hawk?
Klein was an ambitious warmonger, but the war against Draka would be a just one.

Keeping the Drakian's claws far from the Middle East's oil would be a good thing. And Draka isn't as strong as they look. The bondsmen would rebel if the Drakian armies suffered a considerable defeat.

Fighting the Drakians would be, in fact, much easier than the fight against the Pan-Asian Alliance. And you just made yourself with the Pan-Asian in the rear bullshit, America can't afford the luxury to have Draka acting in its rear when New York is distracted with matter in Asia, I believe the last chapters were pretty clear in this regard.

Yeah, I realize that sacking Klein could drop the morale in some minor level, but there's plenty of reasons to justify war with Draka, so homefront and troop morale should be fine. America would still win.
 
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Uh-huh yeah, sacking the architect of the conflict before then proceeding to fight a said war which you sacked him for starting, sending American soldiers off to die for a war which has quite clearly been labelled as one started on false pretenses. Actually you're not even fighting Klein's conflict as even he wasn't going after the whole Drakian Empire just the near east, actually crushing the Drakians would've been a long, drawn-out war which would've taxed even the American giant and leave it in a perfect position to be caught in the rear by the Pan-Asian Alliance.

Does that sound like a reasonable course of action to anyone who isn't a complete and total war hawk?
It was obvious to everyone that Drakia was a power that would enslave the world if it had the chance. When the nukes start falling on the eastern seaboard, no one will give two shits, nor should they, about the intricacies of "Civilian control over the military"
 
Klein was an ambitious warmonger, but the war against Draka would be a just one.

Keeping the Drakian's claws far from the Middle East's oil would be a good thing. And Draka isn't as strong as they look. The bondsmen would rebel if the Drakian armies suffered a considerable defeat.
Yeah, I realize that sacking Klein could drop the morale in some level, but there's plenty of reasons to justify war with Draka. America would still win.
So, let me get this straight, your thinking the US will not only fully commit to supporting a war started by a self-serving traitor, but would actually exceed even his goals and commit to a major war in order to crush the Drakians even after removing said traitor. The reasons why this is impractical should be pretty self-evident

Also thinking the Drakians would fold after a major defeat is exactly the sort of thinking that got the US into this mess in the first place, the Drakians managed to survive the 1st World War and the occupation of much of West Africa, it survived the crucible, it would survive a major defeat in the field.

Fighting the Drakians would be, in fact, much easier than the fight against the Pan-Asian Alliance. And you just made yourself with the Pan-Asian in the rear bullshit, America can't afford the luxury to have Draka acting in his rear when New York is distracted with matter in Asia, I believe the last chapters were pretty clear in this regard.
I don't see how tying down much of the American armed forces in Africa and fighting a major which would happen whatever the result of an American-Drakian conflict is going to improve American odds against the Indo-Japanese alliance. Furthermore, the US had basically already lost by the time the Second Drako-American kicked off, having been forced back to Australasia and the Eastern Pacific and having been kicked out of the IO entirely. the war was simply the final nail in the coffin for America's willingness to continue the fight.

It was obvious to everyone that Drakia was a power that would enslave the world if it had the chance. When the nukes start falling on the eastern seaboard, no one will give two shits, nor should they, about the intricacies of "Civilian control over the military"
So you'd rather see the US risk military tyranny just to one-up the snakes? Well I'm just gonna quote Franklin again
Benjamin Franklin said:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
 
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