Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth
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What a series of responses! Thank you lads!
The place is under martial law- and has been since the Easter Rising. While I don't have detailed plans, it might simply be easier for the more cash-and-manpower stripped British to pull out and fund Anglo-Presbyterian insurgency. In a previous update, I hinted that Territorial formations had been sent to Ireland; this remains true.
Ireland will be the subject of the update after next.
France? Well, I respect the poll but reserve authorial fiat. The French story will be one with lots of twists and turns, don't worry.
The Russian Revolution will come in... 1918? 1919? I need to take a look and do some research to see how having Tsar Michael and Georgi Lvov running a quasi-stable regime would influence things. But it will come, no worries!
Hungary is going to get Sturmtruppen right where it hurts in 1918... revenge for Vienna.
No 20s bubble? I see. Price stability > banking stability? Copy. A small, local bubble in Florida as holidaymakers switch from Nice to Miami? Why not, sounds fun!
We're going to have a Dust Bowl- no reason that would be butterflied; perhaps that could serve as the impetus for a crash in the late '30s. There's some other stuff I've got planned for America in that period which will impact this, but no spoilers.
How do you think Charles Evans Hughes would influence economic policy?
Heterodox explanations? Tell me more... I'll bet some of it's amusing.
An independent Israel is unlikely though, either way.
And sadly, the "Jewish Bankers Control The World" trope won't be butterflied...
By the power of authorial fiat, I, Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth, declare that any and all ancestors of Basileus_Kommnenos are safe in the Place In the Sun universe, regardless of what happens in Kerala! *bangs gavel*
The Indian royal families will be put back on their thrones as rewards for cooperating with the British... I have ideas as to what India will look like post-independence, and as a rough idea I'd say most get to keep their titles.
Thanks to everyone for liking/commenting!
Nah, they can't. This is only a few decades removed from good old Cecil Rhodes, and only 15 years from concentration camps in South Africa... the idea of treating the natives as equals really wouldn't be accepted in Whitehall.I dunno if the Brits are smart enough to make the right concessions, tbh. Or rather, if they can see past their own racism enough too.
Probably not, no. The British might be able to salvage their rule, but popular opinion is too far gone.Especially since at this point, well, the concessions they'd have to make might not work.
Ah b'Jeezus, Ireland.And let's not get into the Irish. Ireland is going to be free much like India and there will be a lot of ethnic tension that surpasses the Troubles. Anglo-Irish Presbyterians are going to still carve up all of Ulster as a constituent of the United Kingdom with their own military force to counter the Irish Republicans.
The communist revolution in France is obviously going to fail since we voted in favor of Action Francaise turning the country into an Italy-style dictatorship with a puppet king and a powerful chancellor or Chef in charge. Russia might go communist, retain the Tsar (even if he is a figurehead), or become a Kerensky-style democratic republic. Britain is going to face a lot of instability and Hungary might not last long.
The place is under martial law- and has been since the Easter Rising. While I don't have detailed plans, it might simply be easier for the more cash-and-manpower stripped British to pull out and fund Anglo-Presbyterian insurgency. In a previous update, I hinted that Territorial formations had been sent to Ireland; this remains true.
Ireland will be the subject of the update after next.
France? Well, I respect the poll but reserve authorial fiat. The French story will be one with lots of twists and turns, don't worry.
The Russian Revolution will come in... 1918? 1919? I need to take a look and do some research to see how having Tsar Michael and Georgi Lvov running a quasi-stable regime would influence things. But it will come, no worries!
Hungary is going to get Sturmtruppen right where it hurts in 1918... revenge for Vienna.
Thanks for the detailed response- I'm no economist so it all helps, believe me!I would be cautious about this. Major boom and bust cycles were part and parcel of American industrial capitalism for decades before Black Thursday, and the worsening state of the Great Depression depended on factors that, though debated, aren't likely to change due to being driven by existing government values.
Economic circumstances - the loss of the war loans, the chaos in France, and the economic primacy of Germany in Europe - should help prevent the 20s bubble from getting as big as it did. The international debt structure contributed heavily to the bubble and the Depression, and that's now out of the picture. Lack of war participation means the economy is starting from a lower base when it comes to agricultural demand and industrial supply. But the American banking system is still horribly under-regulated and particularly in the rural areas badly over-leveraged with risky loans, something that had been ongoing since the 1880s. The Federal banking system is still likely to end up run by economists obsessed with price stability over banking stability. The Dust Bowl conditions were dependent too on factors that precede the POD. And if anything there's more incentive for some bubbles like Florida real estate, with French Riviera cut off pretty much until the end of the ongoing civil unrest.
What I'm saying is that the Roaring 20s won't be roaring quite as hard. But I'd still expect a major recession/outright depression at some point and with the state the American banking industry is in that's going to send the entire economy into a tailspin as soon as it hits, one that could very well end up as bad as the Great Depression was IOTL. The one bright spot is that it won't have nearly as many international impacts due to Europe generally being far more decoupled from the American economy.
And then you start getting into the more heterodox explanations...
No 20s bubble? I see. Price stability > banking stability? Copy. A small, local bubble in Florida as holidaymakers switch from Nice to Miami? Why not, sounds fun!
We're going to have a Dust Bowl- no reason that would be butterflied; perhaps that could serve as the impetus for a crash in the late '30s. There's some other stuff I've got planned for America in that period which will impact this, but no spoilers.
How do you think Charles Evans Hughes would influence economic policy?
Heterodox explanations? Tell me more... I'll bet some of it's amusing.
All great points. If the Ottoman Empire survives and liberalises, I imagine the regime will eventually welcome Jewish immigration as a means of attracting investment. If the regime collapses... it's anybody's guess.Jews are another topic to discuss regarding their status in the world of Place in the Sun. Zionism (aka Jewish nationalism) was already a well-established phenomenon since the 1880s when pogroms in the Russian Empire caused millions of Jews to emigrate to the United States and become an influential ethnic group there. The Rothschilds and Christian backers such as William Blackstone were pushing for a Jewish state in what was then Palestine which saw some Jewish emigration. Since the Central Powers were the victors of World War I, the Balfour Declaration definitely doesn't exist and the Ottomans still control all of OTL's Israel. But Zionist organizations like the Anti-Defamation League and the World Jewish Committee will still push for a Jewish homeland in the Middle East whether the Ottoman Empire/Turkey likes it or not.
An independent Israel is unlikely though, either way.
And sadly, the "Jewish Bankers Control The World" trope won't be butterflied...
That's exactly Britain's problem. When the Irish start chucking explosive objects, they have to be put down- which is an opportune moment for India to try its luck, and then South Africa makes a grab for Lesotho, and round we go...Yeah, I see so many parallels between Ireland and India right now. As expected Britain can and will hold India through force of arms. But the moment those troops are needed elsewhere...
Alright, @Basileus_Komnenos , I'll do you a favour.Well I hope Kerala will be safe, but considering how its part of the southwestern most part of the peninsula, it would probably the site of a potential British invasion.
Though @Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth , what do you plan for the various Indian royal families? They still had some power after all. While in modern India they lost their titles, they still have their wealth and have a lot of influence behind the scenes as part of the local elites.
By the power of authorial fiat, I, Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth, declare that any and all ancestors of Basileus_Kommnenos are safe in the Place In the Sun universe, regardless of what happens in Kerala! *bangs gavel*
The Indian royal families will be put back on their thrones as rewards for cooperating with the British... I have ideas as to what India will look like post-independence, and as a rough idea I'd say most get to keep their titles.
Of course- that's the kind that makes for good reading!I see compromise on the horizon. Specifically the kind of compromise that satisfies no one
Ooh, Irishmen in India? I'd not given the issue any thought but it's certainly a possibility. We'll have to see- thanks for suggesting that!Also: How many of those British Garrison troops in India are Irish?
Irish Troops in India defecting to the locals might sound rather outlandish. However what if we're not talking about that happening right after an uprising in Ireland, but 99,99% of them staying loyal once news of the uprising reaches India at first. Yet the English treating them more and more as unreliable, untrustworthy, gotta keep and eye on them with more and more bullying, loyalty checks, somehow them always being last for being issued weapons and ammo? The Viceroy seems to be paranoid enough to back them into a corner.
Most likely, yes.Even then, India is going to be free from the British in the next decade or two. Same thing with Ireland. The ethnic tensions and manpower are just too much for the empire to handle.
Thanks to everyone for liking/commenting!