Perhaps, perhaps not - easily. However, at the time, there were quite a few
Finns living in the Kola area. I'm certain that at least some of the Karelians would prefer Finland to Russia, too, not that they would be asked most likely.
Great update, and the whole story is interesting.
A very minor detail, but the name of the Finnish President seems to vary between Passivuori and Paasivuori quite a lot.
Thanks for the comment... this will become important later on.
You're right about the spelling-- I know it's two "a"s and only one "s", but my autocorrect begs to differ... Thanks for bringing it to my attention though; I'll strive to improve in future.
Well, looks like it was Finland after all. Pretty interesting seeing the diplomacy in action - the Finns and Republican Russians going back on each other as readily as fighting together for survival is wonderfully realistic as a depiction of realpolitik. As is that of the continual bane of aristocratic governments, political appointees bumbling within their stations. I wasn't expecting Sergey Mikhailovich to brick Yudenich's gains so thoroughly, but that a single bad decision or two up top can undo months or years of progress is a time-honored truth.
Lenin continues to sit in his kettle, and I think the heat and pressure are beginning to get to him. One wonders if he will keep on the down-low and seek opportunities to gain more influence in the provisional government as the war goes on, if he will try to assassinate some key rivals to water down the power disparity between his loyalists and the Kerensky-Zinoviev cliques, or if he is desperate enough to try and incite revolt in Muscovy's industrial production centers. One could argue he would find commonality with Anton's disillusionment, but given Lenin's OTL relationship with the Greens I have a hard time seeing him in an effective alliance with agrarian autonomists.
Keep up the good work!
Finland it was! But there may be more to come...
Yes, this is a good example of
realpolitik. It serves Finland's national interest to ally with the Republicans, and to be fair there are plenty of similarities between Paasivuori and Kerensky. However, as a Russian Kerensky will
always symbolise, to some degree, the damned foreigners who occupied Paasivuori's country for two centuries, and as a Finn Paasivuori will never be treated like a true equal. There are plenty of ways this could go, so we'll have to see...
Ah yes, Lenin. I've not forgotten about him- I do have an end goal for him in mind, as well as Trotsky- but it's all he can do to lie low for now. Aside from Kullervo Manner, he hasn't got many allies in Finland, while Kerensky isn't interested in a close alliance with him either. Officially, relations between the Soviets and Republic are okay, with Zinoviev acting as a go-between, but on the ground things are... tense. A Bolshevik uprising against the Republicans is definitely possible, but only if Lenin is
truly desperate, because such a thing would weaken the anti-Tsarist united front. And yes, he's quite sympathetic towards Antonov, even if there's no real opportunity for them to collaborate right now.
Thanks for commenting
man i hope the republicans don't win the russian civil war i just want the monarchy to survive maybe loose some territory sure but still survive i'm american but i have a strong dislike for democratic/republican forms of government
I'm an American with a soft spot for monarchy too.... We will see the fate of the Republicans in due time. No holds will be barred and no quarter shown!
Well, this is just... maddness. How does this mess even end for anyone winning?
I agree- it's complete chaos. What's crazy is that this RCW is actually pretty tame compared to our own: the Baltic, Belarus, and even Poland, all of which were fought over in OTL, are safely under German control, while the 'stans are mostly quiet. Stuff is happening in Ukraine and the South Caucasus, but not on our world's scale. As opposed to the warlordism which characterised the OTL Whites, both of TTL's factions are (relatively) well-organised and centrally directed. And it is still a catastrophe which will leave Russia a lot emptier.
The only winning move would be not to play. Far better to sit down for a nice Russian game of chess...
Great chapter but Lenin needs to die soon and violently. Bolshevism is not what Russia needs in any sense of the word.
Thanks, glad you liked it. Believe me, I abhor Communism in all its forms. But Comrade Lenin hasn't run out of energy just yet. Kerensky might find it convenient for him to suffer an "unfortunate accident"... perhaps I could arrange such a thing.
That statement about neutrality is a great of dark humour, and also very sad at the same time.
Oh boy, Kerensky struggling for his life can't be a great morale booster for the Republicans. He and Zinoview having developed a "Fuck you we don't respect each other!" relationship cracks me up nonetheless. I mean I'm still team Martov all the way, but Zinoview's position at present is interesting.
Man it is going to be very interesting to see how the Finnish people feel about getting dragged kicking and screaming into this war. Especially seeing as the Tsarist attack has done some damage. This is all warfare stuff which I honestly struggle with a bit as an aspiring writer, but the writing of it is all very dynamic and exciting. Yudenich shot himself in the foot here, not going to lie.
I mean is that not a crystallization of the entire fucking problem of Russia in the 20th century? Oh and ANOTHER SIEGE. Hooray! The Russians love them a siege! Man it is impressive with all the shit Georgy Lvov pulled it's this Sergei who comes across as the most unlikeable and incompetent member of the Romanovs.
And in one fell swoop the crafty Kerensky has ensured the Republic's victory in a massive war of propaganda. Mind, he's also shafted himself into assuring that damn near everyone hates him, but honestly being hated by everyone is practically the norm for Russian politicians at this point in the timeline. And Lenin's at his lowest point while, again, being at his highest in paradoxical fashion.
In short, the game's not over yet and it won't be for some time.
Thanks. I always write those quotes off-the-cuff right before posting and sometimes worry they're too
ad hoc.
Regarding Kerensky, his illness was mostly kept secret. Part of this was because he was on an isolated ship without much ability to contact the outside world till he reached Finland, but part of it was for the exact reason you describe- preservation of morale.
The Finns didn't want to join the war, but now they're in, they might as well do a good job.
No, the game is not over yet by a long shot! Neither side, it seems, can destroy the other. The only smart one here was the late Grand Duke Kiril Vladimirovich of chapter 52. He saw the war was destroying his country and tried to arrange a compromise... because he loved Russia more than he loved ideology and pride. And what did Mikhailovich do? He killed him for it. Right now, Russia is its own worst enemy.
He might be forced to, if subtle hints were passed onto him about the Finns talking to the Germans. And say...maybe a battlecruiser or two, loitering outside the Gulf of Finland? Army exercises in Livonia?
I mean, the Tsarists did attack Finland, but as you yourself pointed out, everyone in Russia wants to reclaim all the land lost in WWI. It wouldn't take much (or long) for the Republicans to start acting like the Tsarists once their domestic position is secure, and they can start looking outward instead.
I wouldn't be surprised if by then the Finns started talking with Krupp about buying artillery pieces, as well as with Mauser for rifles and machine guns.
Something I ought to have added to my earlier message: yes, the Germans value Finland as a shield against Russia. The possibility of intervention from Berlin is still slim, but Tsarist boots in Helsinki (however unlikely that may be right now) would almost certainly precipitate war. Small acts of sabre-rattling like what you described would be excellent shots across the bow.
Thanks for the comments everyone. This sort of thing encourages me to keep chugging on... it is appreciated. Next update will be a rather military-focussed one again, but after that there are some political things I want to cover.