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Goldstein

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A Commiewank, no more no less. I already have a scenario like that (one of my first maps), but this one diverges earlier and has many competing flavors of Socialism that differ substantially from what we understand by it IOTL. Which is basically the point of the map. The POD and the American Path are heavily based on Reds! by Jello_Biafra, though the development is quite different here.

William Mckinley survives his assassination attempt in 1901, and the Progressives in the United States are marginalized long enough for the North American trusts to reinforce their position and the Progressive Era never really to emerge. During the first decade of the 20th century, the Socialist Party becomes a serious force in the United States, and the Socialist movement worldwide finds itself in a much better position. WWI happens on schedule, but it finds a much more organized worldwide anti-war movement with Socialist undertones. By 1918, the spark of revolution ignites not just in Russia, but in Germany, France, the Ottoman Empire (inspired by the much more disseminated works of Mir-Said Sultan Galiev), the UK and the United States, and it spreads. An earlier, messier decolonization movement would start in the subsequent years, taking the Socialist revolutions of the metropoli as a political inspiration.

By 1960, all the world was living under Socialist governments in one form or another. Yet, the ideal of universal brotherhood has never been so far away. Confrontations between centers of power persists, between cores and peripheries, between irreconcilable ideologies. Because new blocs have emerged, and their ideas on what this new stage of humanity should look like are quite different, often incompatible.

The USSR and its Comintern represents Socialism as we mostly understand it IOTL: vanguard party and central planning. In this world it has more definite (we would say) third-worldist tones, for it's easier to develop and organize where previous productive forces and political instititutions had not reached a great degree of political sofistication. The USSR, as IOTL, is big on Modern architecture and city planning, and most satellite states follow it at the scale that their economies allow. They're at the forefront of the advancement in physics, medicine and biology (there was no Stalin -no Trotsky either-, and Lysenkoism never caught on), having a much more pronounced bent towards eugenics.

The Worker's Confederation is different. It has a much greater Internationalist vocation, and it's a fusion of the Coucil Communist ideal of Germany with the Syndicalist movements of the rest of Western Europe. It applies a true worker's democracy at a productive level, with local councils organized in national syndicates or boards of sydicates with a vague representative streak, and in bourses du travail at a local and municipal level. It is a highly participatory society (the leader in IT, the one that developed, and the only one apart from the USSA, that uses personal computing), but also a highly illiberal one de to its ideologically tight, one-sided streak, and its birth out of revolutionary terror. Everyone polices everyone, and it has an extensive secret police that it has nothing to envy in methods to the NKVD. Architecture in the WC tends to the orderly and neoclassical, full of mythological allegories and palatial elements, and compared to the USSR, it favors medium and lower densities.

India didn't get on board. It felt that way neutered its national struggle. India and the area of influence it would carve in SE Asia, they follow a form of Council Communism that put a great emphasis in national self-determination and national values, and that only allows a single national syndicate as the representation of the national body. It has greater technocratic tones than the WC, but it couldn't be properly be called fascistic, as worker's democracy, heavily conducted by the official channels as it is, does exist.

The USSA set the American Path. While undoubtedly Socialist, it kept much of the spirit of the original constitution. Property was expropiated and redistributed, worker's democracy was instituted, a clear direction towards eradication of all forms of discrimination was taken, and at the same time a wide rage of the freedoms and political pluralism of the former political environment was kept. It was just understood that only political formations that accepted and embraced the Socialist nature of society could participate from the political process. The Mexican Revolution took much of this process as an inspiration, already counting with Privatist, Zapatista principles similar to those enacted in the USSA, and many parts of the English-speaking world copied the American Path. The USSA is the champion of engineering and aerospace technology, and its cities are a communistic form of Deco-Punk.

Two nations fusioned Marxism with religious teachings, arguing that the Materialistic aspect of Marxism wasn't telling the full story. In the Ottoman Empire, it was also too convenient, for the blend between Marxism and Islam was seen at the moment by its proponents as the way to instill it with a new sense of purpose and save it from collapse. To say that it met resistance would be an understatement, especially in the Arabian Peninsula, where repression was brutal, but in the end it found its own adherents in Egypt and Iran (the ideology had strong pan-Islamist streaks, and aspired to sweep the Sunni-Shia divide). Its functioning wasn't different to that of a Marxist-Leninist nation, with a vanguard party and a state-run economy, except that the leadership of the party ultimately fell under a board of religious experts led by a Supreme leader, positions acquired by adoption by the institution itself starting from the original council, with no democratic process involved, and imams also served the role of political commisars. It was, on practice, an islamic clerical structure functioning as the leadership of a worker's party, its bases identified with the Ummah.

New Jerusalem formed out of former Canada, thanks to a group of preachers and charismatic leaders that blended the Socialist trends with the spirit of the Temperance movement, a sense of spiritual awakening, Agrarianist ideas... according to them, the practice of Marxism was prefigured in the first Christian communities. New Jerusalem could be called a tight Theodemocratic social order, communal at a local level and favoring small, farmsteading enclaves and townships with a degree of (very illiberal) local democracy, all supervised by an elected Spiritual Board, which at the same time elects a Lords Spiritual. The system overall reminds of a mix between Gaddafi's Libya and the Kibbutzim system of Israel, with Dominionist tones.

Original Socialism was the Decolonialist idea that true, adecuate forms of Socialism were already present or were reachable in syntony with the traditions and traditional structures of the local peoples. An appeal to what Marx called Primitive Communism, if you want. In Peru and Bolivia, that translated into a revolutionary movement that called to a return to the indigenous roots and the elimination of all Spanish influence. It ended up relatively well and stable in the long term, but at a great human cost. Though unable to project any kind of power, the Primitivist guerrillas and even terrorist cells directly inspired by their teachings worldwide make it to be considered a great annoyance by most powers.

Finally, Asian Socialism was what Ikki Kita came up with ITTL. A very Conservative, vertical, pan-Asian outlook on Socialism that reclaimed Confucius as its main source of inspiration. The Asian Empire is Monarchist and militarized, virulently traditionalistic... Totalitarian, an observer from OTL would say. But resources are indeed totally planned and distributed according to social harmony and justice. It must be Socialism, then. But then again, what constitutes true Socialism is such a contentious issue that it threatens to jeopardize the new order Socialism itself has created.

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CannedTech

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A Commiewank, no more no less. I already have a scenario like that (one of my first maps), but this one diverges earlier and has many competing flavors of Socialism that differ substantially from what we understand by it IOTL. Which is basically the point of the map. The POD and the American Path are heavily based on Reds! by Jello_Biafra, though the development is quite different here.


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5/5, would live in this TL.

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Seraphiel

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A Commiewank, no more no less. I already have a scenario like that (one of my first maps), but this one diverges earlier and has many competing flavors of Socialism that differ substantially from what we understand by it IOTL. Which is basically the point of the map. The POD and the American Path are heavily based on Reds! by Jello_Biafra, though the development is quite different here.

But but the bourgeoisie!
 
A Commiewank, no more no less. I already have a scenario like that (one of my first maps), but this one diverges earlier and has many competing flavors of Socialism that differ substantially from what we understand by it IOTL. Which is basically the point of the map. The POD and the American Path are heavily based on Reds! by Jello_Biafra, though the development is quite different here.

On the ASB side, but interesting. Given it's similarities with OTL Communism, wouldn't the USSR be suffering from increasing problems with diminishing productivity by this point? And I'm a bit surprised it didn't absorb its East European satellites: after all, the western Europeans are doing the unification of nations thing as well. :)

(The Soviet Eugenics bit interests me: I'll note that some of the early revolutionaries thought "capitalist tendencies" might be hereditary, making "Kulak extermination" more necessary: on the flip side, I wonder if their eugenics efforts have aimed at breeding not merely superior physical types, but "natural socialists.")

Is there some sort of "reunify China" movement in the NATSYN block?

How did the South African revolution go?

UK strikes me as a more natural part of the US block: after all, "the wogs begin across the Channel" has been a British sentiment for a long time. :p Or was there a Red Sealion?
 

Goldstein

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On the ASB side, but interesting.

Oh, yes, I admit it. I wasn't thinking about plausibility at all, beyond heavily stretched causal relations. The backstory is a means, the map is an end.

Given it's similarities with OTL Communism, wouldn't the USSR be suffering from increasing problems with diminishing productivity by this point?

Yeah, but in a different context, stagnation can become the new normal, I guess.

And I'm a bit surprised it didn't absorb its East European satellites: after all, the western Europeans are doing the unification of nations thing as well. :)

I thought about incorporating them. But, a bit against the grain when making maps, my policy with worldas is not depicting sub-national borders at all unless to reflect a very high degree of de facto autonomy. And if I did it, it would result in a space-filling empire that would not show border changes that I wanted to show. So the reasons were mostly aesthetic. But the justification is that there was lack of consensus because different parallel party structures were formed (the syndical nature of revolutions in Western Europe made it different), no cassus belli to overrun what were allies already, the earlier abandonment of the idea of the USSR as the Motherland of All Workers and so on and so on. BS: it was aeshetics.

(The Soviet Eugenics bit interests me: I'll note that some of the early revolutionaries thought "capitalist tendencies" might be hereditary, making "Kulak extermination" more necessary: on the flip side, I wonder if their eugenics efforts have aimed at breeding not merely superior physical types, but "natural socialists.")

Regarding the repressive side, I was thinking a mix of Brezhnev-era psychiatric despotism with sterilization of the most vocal dissidents. But they're much more aimed at the latter example, at breeding a Homo Sovieticus.

Is there some sort of "reunify China" movement in the NATSYN block

Yes, it is. China is a very contentious issue.

How did the South African revolution go?

The South African Communists and the ANC realized they had to work together to avoid a carnage. Still, there was one, a heavy retailation against the most reactionary Afrikaner elements.

UK strikes me as a more natural part of the US block: after all, "the wogs begin across the Channel" has been a British sentiment for a long time. :p Or was there a Red Sealion?

It's just that the British Revolution was similar in tone, political structure and Internationalist aspirations than those in the continent. Insularism is over.
 
It's just that the British Revolution was similar in tone, political structure and Internationalist aspirations than those in the continent. Insularism is over.

My impression was that British Labor and major Socialist groups were fairly different animals from their continental counterparts, but I may be misinformed or things might be different in this TL anyway. In any event, if I had to bet I'd put money on nationalism and xenophobia over socialist solidarity most days of the week, but then this is explicitly ASB. :biggrin:
 
First 128 Days

The Empire of Teshkent was on its last legs after having been eviscerated by conquests of much of the core Tash homeland by invasions from the Azurites and Moran from the north-east, but the final straw for the people was the evacuation of the imperial court from the capital to their summer estate on the coast that followed famine and bread riots in the capital province.

Both soldier and peasant, alike in anger with the condition of the nation and failure of the monarchy to aid in their plight, took up arms, and soon the capital was stormed by a new revolutionary government; the People's Republic.
Day 128 - 256

While the Empire isn't out for the count yet, the revolutionaries have been quite successful in striking blows at the morale of the empire and the supply lines running through the highlands.

As well, the Citron Confederacy has established a presence in the north to "maintain order" and to "protect the Citronic peoples living in the region", but really to retake the northern border provinces that had been occupied Teshkent in previous wars.

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In the central hills, the strike on the city of Degren (Yellow) has cut off one of the main roads northwards, and the revolutionaries are organizing attacks on the city as well as on Gokrut (Orange); the capital of the region and cross roads of the last northern routes (major roads in green; rivers in blue) still held by the Empire.

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In the east, while no major cities have fallen, the gateway to the center of the three provinces vied for by Citron has been occupied, leaving a large swath of the north-west without easy access to supplies against the Citron army.

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Goldstein

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My impression was that British Labor and major Socialist groups were fairly different animals from their continental counterparts, but I may be misinformed or things might be different in this TL anyway. In any event, if I had to bet I'd put money on nationalism and xenophobia over socialist solidarity most days of the week, but then this is explicitly ASB. :biggrin:

It's all about the Revolutionary Syndicalist movements, which as I understand, were very coordinated at an international level from the 1880's onwards, particularly at a Franco-British level, and were very big on Internationalism, doctrinal differences between their national branches existing but mutually influencing each other. Also, note that the Confederation is actually a Confederation -if it were a bit more decentralized, it wouldn't be a single entity at all. But yeah, as you say, I don't really know why I defend my scenario. It only makes the minimum amount of sense that it requires to be consistent.

As a side note, one of the things that motivated me to make this was that I was reading The Iron Heel. In a way, it works under the same assumptions that book makes, except that the Iron Heel doesn't form at all.
 
Here's a quick something I made during one evening.

Recently there's been a lot of talk of uniting the Czech and Slovak air forces into one air-defense system for both countries. This month (December 2016) both governments signed an agreement on mutual cooperation concerning air-defense, allowing Slovak jets to freely operate in Czech air space and vice versa without any prior warning. Currently there are no other countries that grant such permission to their neighbors and it shows an immense level of trust. The treaty also concerns the use of the other's air bases which will be completely available to the other side while capacity permits it. Both countries are also actively streamlining their equipment as Slovakia will be buying the same type of Gripens that the Czech air force uses and their pilots will receive training at Czech military facilities. This kind of cooperation is supposed to deepen drastically in the future and as I mentioned, there's open talk of one united air force.

This particular map takes place at an unspecified point in the near future, something like 2026 or so. The two air forces are completely united under one command system and work jointly to provide air support to both armies, also undergoing integration, though at a much slower pace. The joint financing of the Czech and Slovak Air Force and the increased efficiency combined with increasing tensions with Russia lead to military spending far exceeding the NATO level of 2% GDP. American weapons being sold at low prices to ex-eastern European countries seeking to replace their old Soviet and Russian-reliant inventory also plays a role. The joint venture can thus afford a larger amount of planes and personnel than the two separate states could alone (The numbers are guess work based on the current OTL state of both air forces and various population-personnel-aircraft ratios from Europe). The missions mentioned in the lower part of the infographic are based on current and past missions Czech and Slovak planes have taken part in and possible future missions. The latter may include such missions as stabilization projects in Syria, Iraq and Kurdistan, ventures into an unstable Mali or support for an increasingly nervous Georgia and Poland.


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Here's a quick something I made during one evening.

Recently there's been a lot of talk of uniting the Czech and Slovak air forces into one air-defense system for both countries. This month (December 2016) both governments signed an agreement on mutual cooperation concerning air-defense, allowing Slovak jets to freely operate in Czech air space and vice versa without any prior warning. Currently there are no other countries that grant such permission to their neighbors and it shows an immense level of trust. The treaty also concerns the use of the other's air bases which will be completely available to the other side while capacity permits it. Both countries are also actively streamlining their equipment as Slovakia will be buying the same type of Gripens that the Czech air force uses and their pilots will receive training at Czech military facilities. This kind of cooperation is supposed to deepen drastically in the future and as I mentioned, there's open talk of one united air force.

This particular map takes place at an unspecified point in the near future, something like 2026 or so. The two air forces are completely united under one command system and work jointly to provide air support to both armies, also undergoing integration, though at a much slower pace. The joint financing of the Czech and Slovak Air Force and the increased efficiency combined with increasing tensions with Russia lead to military spending far exceeding the NATO level of 2% GDP. American weapons being sold at low prices to ex-eastern European countries seeking to replace their old Soviet and Russian-reliant inventory also plays a role. The joint venture can thus afford a larger amount of planes and personnel than the two separate states could alone (The numbers are guess work based on the current OTL state of both air forces and various population-personnel-aircraft ratios from Europe). The missions mentioned in the lower part of the infographic are based on current and past missions Czech and Slovak planes have taken part in and possible future missions. The latter may include such missions as stabilization projects in Syria, Iraq and Kurdistan, ventures into an unstable Mali or support for an increasingly nervous Georgia.


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Interesting borders for Syria, Iraq, and Kurdistan.
 
Interesting borders for Syria, Iraq, and Kurdistan.

Basically the same as OTL. Kurdistan contains Iraqi Kurdistan and eastern Rojava. They might just seem "weird" because they're not very accurate. This map isn't really about that though so there is no explanation for it. You're all free to come up with any explanations for it though. *shrugs*
 
Here's a quick something I made during one evening.

Recently there's been a lot of talk of uniting the Czech and Slovak air forces into one air-defense system for both countries. This month (December 2016) both governments signed an agreement on mutual cooperation concerning air-defense, allowing Slovak jets to freely operate in Czech air space and vice versa without any prior warning. Currently there are no other countries that grant such permission to their neighbors and it shows an immense level of trust. The treaty also concerns the use of the other's air bases which will be completely available to the other side while capacity permits it. Both countries are also actively streamlining their equipment as Slovakia will be buying the same type of Gripens that the Czech air force uses and their pilots will receive training at Czech military facilities. This kind of cooperation is supposed to deepen drastically in the future and as I mentioned, there's open talk of one united air force.

This particular map takes place at an unspecified point in the near future, something like 2026 or so. The two air forces are completely united under one command system and work jointly to provide air support to both armies, also undergoing integration, though at a much slower pace. The joint financing of the Czech and Slovak Air Force and the increased efficiency combined with increasing tensions with Russia lead to military spending far exceeding the NATO level of 2% GDP. American weapons being sold at low prices to ex-eastern European countries seeking to replace their old Soviet and Russian-reliant inventory also plays a role. The joint venture can thus afford a larger amount of planes and personnel than the two separate states could alone (The numbers are guess work based on the current OTL state of both air forces and various population-personnel-aircraft ratios from Europe). The missions mentioned in the lower part of the infographic are based on current and past missions Czech and Slovak planes have taken part in and possible future missions. The latter may include such missions as stabilization projects in Syria, Iraq and Kurdistan, ventures into an unstable Mali or support for an increasingly nervous Georgia and Poland.


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We know that "UN international missions" are peacekeeping operations... could you please explain what went so wrong with Poland and the baltic states?
 
We know that "UN international missions" are peacekeeping operations... could you please explain what went so wrong with Poland and the baltic states?
Nothing "went wrong". Czechia already participates in security missions in the Baltic countries including long-term air patrol. And as I explained in the description, Poland would be getting pretty jumpy if tensions grew with Russia and the US was more reluctant *cough*trump*cough* to provide support for the past decade (8 years were he to be reelected). They would probably request support from other countries. This would most likely include stationing troops and jet fighters in their territory.

And no, I deliberately didn't specify what missions they were. It can include anything from UN peacekeeping, through NATO missions to troop stationing.
 
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