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Brilliant first map! Keep up the good work. I do have some points though.

Svalbard and Novaya Zemlya were not colonized until the late 19th and early 20th century. I think there would have been a lot of colonization before that.

Africa and the Americas are impossibly sparse; there have always been states in both.

I doubt Turkestan would be an Emirate in this scenario. Emir is an Arabic title, and with Persian dominance over the Arabs there probably wouldn't be much spread of Arab culture.

Both the shape and name of Ayutthaya are unlikely. You've essentially split Cambodia in half, not to mention the (admittedly possible, if unlikely) conquest of mainland Malaysia. Also, the kingdom of Ayutthaya was named after the city, which was not founded until the 1350s.

I don't think "Nordic Union" is a good name for a united Fennoscandia in this scenario. The word Nordic itself is Germanic in origin, and those languages' development would have been significantly altered with a surviving Rome.

Firstly, ill add more to Africa and the Americas, I have some ideas of my own. Any suggestions for the Turkestan title? Any names for a nation in that region, and I can adjust its borders if that's better. I just chose the rivers as they were easy and made sense as defensible positions. Any suggestions for the nordic title?
 
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Firstly, ill add more to Africa and the Americas, I have some ideas of my own. Any suggestions for the Turkestan title? Any names for a nation in that region, and I can adjust its borders if that's better. I just chose the rivers as they were easy and made sense as defensible positions. Any suggestions for the nordic title?
Scythia or Bactria could work for Turkestan.

Dvaravati would be a good name for a Thai state, although a unified Thailand isn't guaranteed.

The image I'm getting of the Nordic Union is a kind of early Holy Roman Empire, although kinda sorta unofficially led by a *Swedish state similarly to how Austria dominated the HRE. Considering that, I'd call it the Scandza Union and the leading state Svehon.

I would also like to say that I don't find the inclusion of Islam particularly likely, considering the butterfly effect.
 
Scythia or Bactria could work for Turkestan.

Dvaravati would be a good name for a Thai state, although a unified Thailand isn't guaranteed.

The image I'm getting of the Nordic Union is a kind of early Holy Roman Empire, although kinda sorta unofficially led by a *Swedish state similarly to how Austria dominated the HRE. Considering that, I'd call it the Scandza Union and the leading state Svehon.

I would also like to say that I don't find the inclusion of Islam particularly likely, considering the butterfly effect.

Ok perfect ill implement those in. I feel Islam is good as it gives the Second Sassanid Empire an interesting twist, plus the idea of a jihad incase land is taken adds more of a reason not to directly invade Persia/Arabia.
 
Ok perfect ill implement those in. I feel Islam is good as it gives the Second Sassanid Empire an interesting twist, plus the idea of a jihad incase land is taken adds more of a reason not to directly invade Persia/Arabia.
Nothing stopping a new, TL specific religion arising in place of Islam that has a similar "defend the [X] community" set of practices. With such an early and drastic POD, the resulting butterflies are such that you're going to be able to take a lot of creative liberties on what happens in this world (though of course it's still good to do research and try to make things somewhat plausible (unless you're specifically trying to make things ASB)). Perhaps this TL's *Islam starts with Zoroastrianism instead of Christianity as its foundation. Or maybe instead of a Prophet, someone claims to be the new Messiah or the second coming of Christ. Lots of opportunities!
 
Nothing stopping a new, TL specific religion arising in place of Islam that has a similar "defend the [X] community" set of practices. With such an early and drastic POD, the resulting butterflies are such that you're going to be able to take a lot of creative liberties on what happens in this world (though of course it's still good to do research and try to make things somewhat plausible (unless you're specifically trying to make things ASB)). Perhaps this TL's *Islam starts with Zoroastrianism instead of Christianity as its foundation. Or maybe instead of a Prophet, someone claims to be the new Messiah or the second coming of Christ. Lots of opportunities!
Ok Bleh. I'll try and think of some sort of blend of Zoroastrianism and Islam. That might work.

Still looking for questions!
 
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I've tweaked my China conquers Asia map.
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China is still the most powerful state in the world and there's a big drop to second through eighth (United Kingdom, Prussia, Austria, Canada, FSA, USA, Egypt). 2009 saw a Chinese base get built in Guinea (something that the rest of the world decided was worth fighting for and prompted two Guinean civil wars before ground even broke). Prussian and Austrian soldiers now sit in Volga Germany (but only after they helped Russia reunite with Belorussia and East Ukraine). Canada has signed a conditional agreement with the British Commonwealth (they went their own way in the early 20th century) and a semi-formal alliance is in place rather than the previous gentleman's agreement that existed. Oil is soaring due to unrest in Persian Mesopotamia and the fact that it looks like Saudi Arabia is saber rattling at Ha'il Arabia. Even though the FSA clawed Virginia from the USA, all that history meant that it forced itself back into American orbit, if not America itself (independence does offer SOME perks). Utah is a mess of protests, demonstrations and the occasional outburst of violence by Mormon extremists. There was a lot of talk about Chinese annexation of the Ryukyu Islands, but in the nobody did anything because it was mostly a foregone conclusion... and all of the more radical Japanese demonstrators have been killed, arrested, or like many of their countrymen ... nudged into emigration.

Edit: Apparently Britain still has Singapore!
 

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@Kosta and I's WIP map of a Southern Focused *EU continues along pretty nicely. Mostly done with the 1947 map so far; merely missing alterations to India and any possible additions to the New World.

So far, the world is looking to be far more Soviet influenced than OTL. RIP Equatorial Africa though, I wish I could save you.

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Sorry to ask here, but does anyone have a suggestion for a name of a future Franco-German union including Luxembourg and the bits of Belgium and the Netherlands not underwater? I was thinking 'Francia' but that's a bit to 'France' innit?
 

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Sorry to ask here, but does anyone have a suggestion for a name of a future Franco-German union including Luxembourg and the bits of Belgium and the Netherlands not underwater? I was thinking 'Francia' but that's a bit to 'France' innit?

I would just go for a generic Europe, Europa, European Federation, or something like that, if it's that multicultural.
 
Sorry to ask here, but does anyone have a suggestion for a name of a future Franco-German union including Luxembourg and the bits of Belgium and the Netherlands not underwater? I was thinking 'Francia' but that's a bit to 'France' innit?
If it's emphatically French/German, maybe the Franco-Germanic Federal Republic? That to me expresses that its about the merging of the two wider cultures rather than nationalities, and the official name contains both the German "federal" form and the French "republic".
 

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I would just go for a generic Europe, Europa, European Federation, or something like that, if it's that multicultural.

I don't think so. It's for a map -par for the course with me- and the EU has dissolved due to the backlash against globalism, etc. etc. so I don't think anything sounding remotely similar to 'European Union' would be taken positively. Thanks for the reply though. :biggrin:

If it's emphatically French/German, maybe the Franco-Germanic Federal Republic? That to me expresses that its about the merging of the two wider cultures rather than nationalities, and the official name contains both the German "federal" form and the French "republic".

Fair, but it's not federal and that implies that they're still two separate entities whereas here they've partially fused into one sorta culture and people. Hence why I'd like a single nominative. Thanks though.
 
Sorry to ask here, but does anyone have a suggestion for a name of a future Franco-German union including Luxembourg and the bits of Belgium and the Netherlands not underwater? I was thinking 'Francia' but that's a bit to 'France' innit?

What about something further back, before they were separate cultures... Carolingian Republic or something of the sort?
 
I don't think so. It's for a map -par for the course with me- and the EU has dissolved due to the backlash against globalism, etc. etc. so I don't think anything sounding remotely similar to 'European Union' would be taken positively. Thanks for the reply though. :biggrin:



Fair, but it's not federal and that implies that they're still two separate entities whereas here they've partially fused into one sorta culture and people. Hence why I'd like a single nominative. Thanks though.
Oh. Well, in that case, just nix the "federal." Ooh, how about "reichrepublique?" It emphasizes the merger as well and reich is a general enough term to include a unitary state.

Edit: ahh, Carolingian works better. I need to save reichrepublique in case I ever need use of it, though.
 
More Wisconsin Civil War and its ASB madness coming up.

To recap here are the factions for the Wisconsin Civil War

Wisconsin Government
National Salvation Front
Republic of Iowa
Minnesotan Republic
National Social Front of Wisconsin


With another faction wiped out Democratic Wisconsin/National Liberation Army of Wisconsin, the Schmitt regime began to focus on lifting the siege of La-Crosse which could easily become another Aleppo if Iowa and the government forces fail to achieve their objectives. As of December 3rd, 2016 the Wisconsin Army has lost nearly 1,800 soldiers and over 8,000 wounded, with Iowa intervening on behalf of the Junta, this siege which has been on going since late May of 2016 could finally be lifted. The city of La-Crosse has been devastated with many comparing it to Aleppo in Syria. Out of a population 105,000 residents, by December of this year, over 3,400 civilians have killed as both sides the regime and the fighters of the National Salvation Front have fired rockets, missiles and other discriminatory weapons in fierce street to street battles. There is a possibility that the siege may not be lifted considering that recently Minnesota announced that they are going to send non-lethal aid despite granting Wisconsin the right to be readmitted back into the Midwestern Trade Federation Council, St. Paul has announced that those privileges may be revoked and could possibly mean the end of the Trade Federation Council if Iowa insists continuing to aid the regime. As of early December, the NSF have lost over 14,000 rebel fighters and another 39,000 taken prisoner.

Meanwhile as mentioned previously, the Wisconsin Army wiped out Democratic Wisconsin/National Liberation Army of Wisconsin after its forces liberated the small but strategic capital of Democratic Wisconsin, Superior. After 2 and a half months of fighting to secure the city, the Army achieved its objectives and finally forced the capitulation of Democratic Wisconsin. The battle which was named "Operation Ensure Victory" by the government forces involved 80,000 soldiers and militia on the government side and it cost them 908 deaths and 6,228 wounded to secure the city. Thus another faction was wiped out. However the cost was deadly for the general public as according to various human rights organizations, it was said that the victorious regime troops may have massacred between 500-2,300 civilians as part of reprisals and the general frustrations felt by the troops over securing a small city that should have taken less than a month. Nevertheless, the victory in Superior has been seen as some as a turning point of the war, however like Syria, the war is far from over and it may drag on in 2017 and beyond.

While the war seems to be going well in the western part of the country, in the upper peninsula which was recently retaken in the late summer of this year, the far right banned organization the National Social Front of Wisconsin have sprung up around the city of Marinette and have captured the city after a small group of 800 pro-government militia forces were forced to abandon the small town. The NSF is under the command of an obscure figure Richard Snyder and his former army officer Eric Bollman that defected one year ago to form this group which was originally under the control of a pro-National Salvation Front faction that fell into obscurity. So far not much is known about this far-right proto-neo Nazi organization other than the fact that it has around 2,000 members.

As mentioned previously in the last post, many predicted that the number of people killed in the war could reach 100,000 by the years end, it has surpassed these predictions. As of early December over 116,000 people have been killed including nearly 30,000 civilians. At this rate it is possible that by the summer of 2017 the war could claim as many as 200,000. The regime has lost over 7,200 soldiers, militia, and police have killed since the war broke out in 2015, over 48,000 are wounded or sick. Around 8,800 soldiers and pro-government militia and police officers have been taken prisoner mostly from the disastrous defeat at Eau-Claire early this year in April of 2016. Since intervening on the side of the military junta in late October over 111 Iowan soldiers have killed and another 400 wounded. The rebels have lost a considerable amount of its supporters and fighters. 80,000 rebels have been killed, 115,000 have been wounded or sick, and around 155,000 rebels since 2015 have been captured. These numbers maybe off a bit because of the army's tendency to execute thousands of captured rebels immediately after an engagement. The government has detained 165,000 people since the war started, and the number of political prisoners has risen to nearly 50,000 prisoners. With no end in sight by early 2017, Wisconsin continues to brace for more death and more destruction in the country's deadliest war in history. The population of Wisconsin has also been devastated as well, before the July coup of 2015 its population was estimated to be around 16 million, now it has seen a decline because of the war. Over a million people are displaced and around 500,000 Wisconsinians are refugees, bring the population down to 15.3 million as of late 2016.

 

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@Kosta and I's WIP map of a Southern Focused *EU continues along pretty nicely. Mostly done with the 1947 map so far; merely missing alterations to India and any possible additions to the New World.

So far, the world is looking to be far more Soviet influenced than OTL. RIP Equatorial Africa though, I wish I could save you.

Interesting. How influential is the mafia in Italy? And can we expect Turkey to fall into the Soviet camp? What do Spain and Portugal plan to do (and is Franco still in power)?
 

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Interesting. How influential is the mafia in Italy? And can we expect Turkey to fall into the Soviet camp? What do Spain and Portugal plan to do (and is Franco still in power)?
The Mafia thus far is being a massive pain in the ass for the Italian state, growing stronger thanks to the slow but steady integration of the Italian state with the rest of the *EU (although it'd probably just be the alternative European Coal and Steel Community at this point). Southern Italy is still dirt poor and the Allies Southern Strategy has done a number on the infrastructure of the region, making corruption a problem and giving the Mafia a niche to exploit. One can only tell if the pressures of aid, development and education will undermine their influence.

Turkey is probably going to be heavily leaning to the West out of fear from the Soviets and a combination of massive Marshal Plan aid to jumpstart rapid development in the region in an attempt to keep the Soviets out of the Mediterranean. Of course that wont stop the Soviets from having influence.

Portugal is same as OTL under Salazar.

Spain had an anti Franco coup in the early 40s when the Monarchists were successful at destabilizing his regime (having Communists in Paris really hurt his regime's image given he continued to espouse autarky and isolationism in a period where most people lacked the confidence in the Spanish state to stand on its own two feet.). """Democracy""" was imposed once more with Juan Carlos' return due to massive allied pressure, and some sort of democratization is occurring under a transitional government. The new regime might not be that nice, but it is willing to play nicely with the Italians, South France and Yugoslavs, and has thus earned a seat at the table for future integration. (and that sweet sweet American foreign aid) But overall, Spain is getting better.
 
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