Map Thread XIV
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With OTL state borders superimposed
The American Revolutionary War (1775-1785) had a profound effect not only on the country itself, but on the various borders of the states. The protracted occupation of the City of New York forced the political reorganization of the former Province of New York in light of the increasing legitimacy and permanence of the American political structure. Following several repulsed offensives into the Lower Hudson Valley, Congress - following a failed militia coup against the state government, now meeting in Albany - allowed the avowedly patriot states of New Jersey and Connecticut to organize the governments on the east and west banks of the Hudson River, respectively. The State of New York's government, reestablished in Albany primarily by militiamen from the New Hampshire Grants, was outmaneuvered in the continental Congress and did not recognize these claims until after the war. Following the end of the war and the assumption of New York's debts, the State reorganized itself as the State of Montagne, so named for the Green Mountains in the east, Catskill Mountains in the south, and the Adirondack Mountains in the north. The City of New York itself became a Federal district and the seat of the Congress of the Confederation, so it proved to be the natural site for the permanent capital city of the country. With the passage of the Northwest Ordinance and an increasing Federal interest in resolving land claims, the western claim of Montagne (which had legally succeeded New York) and Massachusetts was resolved with the creation of the Erie Territory, which later became the State of Erie.
The Hudson River, south of the Montagne border, is considered Federal property and not part of either New Jersey or Connecticut. Regardless, New York, D.C. and the three other states began to grow exponentially with the construction of the Oneida Canal in the 1810s-1820s[1]. New York soon became one of the world's largest ports, and the "American London" - the cultural, political, and financial center of the country - began to leave a suburban imprint on the neighboring states, as well.
[1] I figure the Oneida canal shoots up from the Mohawk River to Oneida Lake and then out through the Oneida River into Lake Ontario. A multi-state construction project of the Erie Canal would be a little too politically hard to pull off in the period.
Most impressive. Rather unconventional way to get rid of New York state.
Hmm... Too big for China to be governed as a single entity, her regional differences are no smaller than that in India you see, she should be chopped into half South-North at best, or divided as bunch of autonomous states according linguistic lines, the orgasm produced from this map would be more effective if you can pull that off.
Whether or not something is a protectorate is primarily based off of if the area is autonomous in whatever map I copied it from. For Russia I used their OTL subdivisions because they already take a lot of ethnic groups into account, and in Russia the Jewish Oblast is Autonomous. If some place was a British colony at some point I use that, and British Palestine wasn't autonomous.
If I had had more time, I would have done that. I might go back at some point and improve the map.
Yeah, I'm not happy with how China came out. I might make the Cantonese speaking regions in the South autonomous, along with most major cities to make it look more "Raj-y".
With OTL state borders superimposed
The American Revolutionary War (1775-1785) had a profound effect not only on the country itself, but on the various borders of the states. The protracted occupation of the City of New York forced the political reorganization of the former Province of New York in light of the increasing legitimacy and permanence of the American political structure. Following several repulsed offensives into the Lower Hudson Valley, Congress - following a failed militia coup against the state government, now meeting in Albany - allowed the avowedly patriot states of New Jersey and Connecticut to organize the governments on the east and west banks of the Hudson River, respectively. The State of New York's government, reestablished in Albany primarily by militiamen from the New Hampshire Grants, was outmaneuvered in the continental Congress and did not recognize these claims until after the war. Following the end of the war and the assumption of New York's debts, the State reorganized itself as the State of Montagne, so named for the Green Mountains in the east, Catskill Mountains in the south, and the Adirondack Mountains in the north. The City of New York itself became a Federal district and the seat of the Congress of the Confederation, so it proved to be the natural site for the permanent capital city of the country. With the passage of the Northwest Ordinance and an increasing Federal interest in resolving land claims, the western claim of Montagne (which had legally succeeded New York) and Massachusetts was resolved with the creation of the Erie Territory, which later became the State of Erie.
The Hudson River, south of the Montagne border, is considered Federal property and not part of either New Jersey or Connecticut. Regardless, New York, D.C. and the three other states began to grow exponentially with the construction of the Oneida Canal in the 1810s-1820s[1]. New York soon became one of the world's largest ports, and the "American London" - the cultural, political, and financial center of the country - began to leave a suburban imprint on the neighboring states, as well.
[1] I figure the Oneida canal shoots up from the Mohawk River to Oneida Lake and then out through the Oneida River into Lake Ontario. A multi-state construction project of the Erie Canal would be a little too politically hard to pull off in the period.
I don't think the borders should follow OTL county lines (except maybe lines that existed at the time) but great scenario.
Interesting but wouldn't it be Callis rather than Callay which is based on a later French pronunciation?
Pyandonea and Yokunda feel way too big, but other than that its a great map.
Without Calais, Normandy, or Aquitaine as part of Britain proper?
It was done under the idea that the city became Callay from Calais from people speaking it without knowing fully how to spell it. In my head its pronounced Cal-eh [as in the stereotypical Canadian eh]. Ironically it is still called the county of Calais out of old nostalgia but really has significance other than a national oddity.
This has nothing to do with Our Fathers' Stars, but I thought that I might as well post in to AH.com in addition to DA.
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In the spring of 1945, General George S. Patton received a command from General Eisenhower. The third army was to halt its advance before Prague, lest Patton's soldiers accidentally came into combat with Soviet soliders.
Patton, seeing the Soviets as a greater threat than the Nazis ever could be, ignored his lawful orders, and sent loyal men ahead. The news of the skirmish reached both the Allied and Soviet command quickly, but before Eisenhower could reprimand Patton and calm down the Soviets, Patton had pushed into Prague, his forces openly firing upon Russian soldiers. World War III lasted only four months before the ceasefire line was drawn, but when the dust settled, the Soviets had the pushed the iron curtain west past their treaty territories.
With the tensions high between the West and East, the U.S. had little time to initiate their de-Nazification plans in West Germany. They needed a strong ally at free Europe's eastern border, and were thus forced to let a great number of officers and bureaucrats that had been part of the Nazi state return to service. The French, appalled by the buildup in West Germany, were reluctant to integrate their occupation zone with that of the U.S. and U.K. While the French dithered with the territory for a decade, one of Charles de Gaulle's first actions as the first Consul of the French Fifth Republic was to officially separate the occupation zone from Germany, establishing the Rhine Republic. Now, Germany is the center of world tensions, between the U.S. led NATO, French led European Council, and Soviet led Bucharest Pact.
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In the spring of 1945, General George S. Patton received a command from General Eisenhower. The third army was to halt its advance before Prague, lest Patton's soldiers accidentally came into combat with Soviet soliders.
Patton, seeing the Soviets as a greater threat than the Nazis ever could be, ignored his lawful orders, and sent loyal men ahead. The news of the skirmish reached both the Allied and Soviet command quickly, but before Eisenhower could reprimand Patton and calm down the Soviets, Patton had pushed into Prague, his forces openly firing upon Russian soldiers. World War III lasted only four months before the ceasefire line was drawn, but when the dust settled, the Soviets had the pushed the iron curtain west past their treaty territories.
With the tensions high between the West and East, the U.S. had little time to initiate their de-Nazification plans in West Germany. They needed a strong ally at free Europe's eastern border, and were thus forced to let a great number of officers and bureaucrats that had been part of the Nazi state return to service. The French, appalled by the buildup in West Germany, were reluctant to integrate their occupation zone with that of the U.S. and U.K. While the French dithered with the territory for a decade, one of Charles de Gaulle's first actions as the first Consul of the French Fifth Republic was to officially separate the occupation zone from Germany, establishing the Rhine Republic. Now, Germany is the center of world tensions, between the U.S. led NATO, French led European Council, and Soviet led Bucharest Pact.
I suggest carve some in Canton, Jiangnan---especially Hangzhou, Shanghai, Peking, Xibei, Sichuan and Yunnan.
Alex Richards
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I'm feeling a bit inspired to do my own 'Global Raj' take, with a few particular twists...
Correct. It was more of a quickie scenario, so the northern boundaries are a little iffy (since Albany and Ulster counties were much larger at the time), but the general idea is there. Someone in another thread joked of "Greater New Jersey" - i.e., the state being between the Delaware and Hudson rivers north of the current boundaries. That was the initial idea.
As a real life radical leftist (TM), I'd like to interject that I personally don't mind "commie" as slang (nor do I "pinko", "red", etc). Treating "political slurs" as anything close to as offensive as ethnoracial or religious slurs is kind of ridiculous and minimizes the latter's actual impact.
CannedTech
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Gotta' agree here. Shit, we say commie all the time in PolChat and every other map in here has had that abbreviation.
No need to worry about us innit.
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