List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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Leon Trotsky
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Ask Uncle Joe, his E N L I G H T E N E D S O U T H E R N C E N T R I S M got us here.
I might adapt that Hellworld list into its own TL, minus thermonuclear war at the end.
But the Future Refused to Change
Mario Cuomo/Joe Biden 1993-2001
1992: Def. George HW Bush/Dan Quayle, Ross Perot/Jerry Brown
1996: Def. Bob Dole/Jack Kemp, Ross Perot/Dick Lamm
John McCain/Alan Keyes 2001-2003 (Assassinated)
2000: Def. Joe Biden/Al Gore, Jerry Brown/Angus King
Alan Keyes/Jeb Bush 2003-2005
Jesse Ventura/Buddy Roemer 2005-2009
2004: Def. John Edwards/Mary Landrieu, Alan Keyes/Jeb Bush
Mary Landrieu/Evan Bayh 2009-2017
2008: Def. Mark Sanford/George Pataki, Jesse Ventura/Buddy Roemer
2012: Def. Tim Pawlenty/Jim Gilmore, Jesse Ventura/Mike Gravel
Donald Trump/Bernie Sanders 2017-
2016: Def. Martin O’Malley/Jim Webb, Hillary Rodham Romney/Ted Cruz
Maybe I’ll do a write up later but only if asked.
Edit: I give in easily .
Basically the POD is Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton never meet. Butterflies from this lead to Rodham meeting a young Mitt Romney, marrying him and becoming a Republican. Bill meanwhile does not end up marrying anyone of note to us but he’s found to have cheated on his wife and is forced to resign in 1990. Meanwhile Cuomo decides to be a bit more ballsy and run in 1992, where he wins. Cuomo’s terms see Perot’s Reform Party grow and remain viable thanks to Jerry Brown’s role in it. It also leads to rising far-right groups. When McCain wins in 2000, he is killed by a white nationalist in 2003. Keyes, despite his heritage, does little to challenge the threat and in 2004 Dems seem poised for victory only for John Edwards to blow it by being John Edwards. Keyes still loses but Jesse Ventura is the winner. He crushes the militias and legalizes weed, but gets screwed by an economic downturn that brings Landrieu to the White House. Things mostly calm down during her term until 2015, when a massive Islamist terrorist attack destroys Boston, San Francisco and St. Louis with nuclear weapons. Landrieu invades Iraq, Sudan and Afghanistan but in 2016 a wave of anti-Muslim rage propels Reform Party Mayor of New York Donald Trump (running on a largely progressive platform on issues besides crime, foreign policy, immigration and Islam) to the White House.
Mario Cuomo/Joe Biden 1993-2001
1992: Def. George HW Bush/Dan Quayle, Ross Perot/Jerry Brown
1996: Def. Bob Dole/Jack Kemp, Ross Perot/Dick Lamm
John McCain/Alan Keyes 2001-2003 (Assassinated)
2000: Def. Joe Biden/Al Gore, Jerry Brown/Angus King
Alan Keyes/Jeb Bush 2003-2005
Jesse Ventura/Buddy Roemer 2005-2009
2004: Def. John Edwards/Mary Landrieu, Alan Keyes/Jeb Bush
Mary Landrieu/Evan Bayh 2009-2017
2008: Def. Mark Sanford/George Pataki, Jesse Ventura/Buddy Roemer
2012: Def. Tim Pawlenty/Jim Gilmore, Jesse Ventura/Mike Gravel
Donald Trump/Bernie Sanders 2017-
2016: Def. Martin O’Malley/Jim Webb, Hillary Rodham Romney/Ted Cruz
Maybe I’ll do a write up later but only if asked.
Edit: I give in easily .
Basically the POD is Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton never meet. Butterflies from this lead to Rodham meeting a young Mitt Romney, marrying him and becoming a Republican. Bill meanwhile does not end up marrying anyone of note to us but he’s found to have cheated on his wife and is forced to resign in 1990. Meanwhile Cuomo decides to be a bit more ballsy and run in 1992, where he wins. Cuomo’s terms see Perot’s Reform Party grow and remain viable thanks to Jerry Brown’s role in it. It also leads to rising far-right groups. When McCain wins in 2000, he is killed by a white nationalist in 2003. Keyes, despite his heritage, does little to challenge the threat and in 2004 Dems seem poised for victory only for John Edwards to blow it by being John Edwards. Keyes still loses but Jesse Ventura is the winner. He crushes the militias and legalizes weed, but gets screwed by an economic downturn that brings Landrieu to the White House. Things mostly calm down during her term until 2015, when a massive Islamist terrorist attack destroys Boston, San Francisco and St. Louis with nuclear weapons. Landrieu invades Iraq, Sudan and Afghanistan but in 2016 a wave of anti-Muslim rage propels Reform Party Mayor of New York Donald Trump (running on a largely progressive platform on issues besides crime, foreign policy, immigration and Islam) to the White House.
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Leon Trotsky
Banned
A progressive Donald Trump? Seems such ATL concept is gaining prominence given it was already used by @Temeraire in The Tiger Roars, but still a cool concept nevertheless. I hope you can carry on with this list later.
Ellis MacVey
Donor
Got room for a dystopian story with a happy ending?
1937-1965: William Dudley Pelley/Willard Kemp (Christian Party) [1] †
1965-1968: Willard Kemp/George Lincoln Rockwell (Christian Party) [2] [Retired]
1969-1986: George Lincoln Rockwell/Matthias Koehl Jr. (Christian Party) †
1986-1988: Matthias Koehl Jr./[Vacant] (Christian Party) [Retired]
1989-2002: William Luther Pierce III/David Duke (Christian Party) †
2002-2016: David Duke/Don Black (Christian Party) [Retired]
2017-2025: Richard B. Spencer/Nicholas Fuentes (Christian Party) [3] [Deposed]
2025-2029 Second American Revolution
2029-2030: American Worker's Council (American Provisional Government)
2031-2033: Elisa Wei/Dennis Lee Arlington (American Bolsheviks) [4] †
2033-2034: Dennis Lee Arlington/William Andersen (American Bolsheviks)
2035-2042: Alex J. Lincoln/Rose O'Connolly (Syndicalist Union of America)
2043-2046: José Ferreira/Owen Byrne (Catholic Socialist League)
2047-2050: Rose O'Connolly/Daniel Frederick Thompson (Syndicalist Union of America) [Retired]
2051-2058: Martin Yezhov/Gregory King (Syndicalist Union of America)
2059-2062: Gregory King/Kent Wallace (Syndicalist Union of America)
2063-2070: Mary Koskinen/Sophia White (Eco-Socialist Party)
2071-2074: Kent Wallace/Bella M. Couture (Unionist Party)
2075-2082: Franklin Lee/Maria Cortez (Eco-Socialist Party)
2083-2090: Penny T. Coleman/Luther Rivera (Unionist Party)
2091-2094: Oswald Wells/Timothy Matthew Grey (Unionist Party) [Retired]
2095-2102: Robert Chang Jr./Alexis Patel (Eco-Socialist Party)
[After this it gets kind of boring]
[1] The Christian Party was the name of the party Pelley founded and ran for president under the ticket of. I'm pretty sure the Silver Legion was just his equivalent of the Brown Shirts.
[2] I couldn't find anything on Willard Kemp except that he was Pelley's running mate in the 1936 elections, so I just took some artistic license and said he outlived Pelley by a few years before retiring due to old age.
[3] IOTL Spencer and Fuentes actually have a feud, apparently (I didn't bother finding out why), but I decided to take the liberty of butterflying that away.
[4] Every single one of the presidents after Spencer was made up by me and they are not intended to represent real people. Any resemblance to someone who exists IRL is purely coincidental. Also, yes, Elisa Wei was assassinated by a counter-revolutionary.
1937-1965: William Dudley Pelley/Willard Kemp (Christian Party) [1] †
1965-1968: Willard Kemp/George Lincoln Rockwell (Christian Party) [2] [Retired]
1969-1986: George Lincoln Rockwell/Matthias Koehl Jr. (Christian Party) †
1986-1988: Matthias Koehl Jr./[Vacant] (Christian Party) [Retired]
1989-2002: William Luther Pierce III/David Duke (Christian Party) †
2002-2016: David Duke/Don Black (Christian Party) [Retired]
2017-2025: Richard B. Spencer/Nicholas Fuentes (Christian Party) [3] [Deposed]
2025-2029 Second American Revolution
2029-2030: American Worker's Council (American Provisional Government)
2031-2033: Elisa Wei/Dennis Lee Arlington (American Bolsheviks) [4] †
2033-2034: Dennis Lee Arlington/William Andersen (American Bolsheviks)
2035-2042: Alex J. Lincoln/Rose O'Connolly (Syndicalist Union of America)
2043-2046: José Ferreira/Owen Byrne (Catholic Socialist League)
2047-2050: Rose O'Connolly/Daniel Frederick Thompson (Syndicalist Union of America) [Retired]
2051-2058: Martin Yezhov/Gregory King (Syndicalist Union of America)
2059-2062: Gregory King/Kent Wallace (Syndicalist Union of America)
2063-2070: Mary Koskinen/Sophia White (Eco-Socialist Party)
2071-2074: Kent Wallace/Bella M. Couture (Unionist Party)
2075-2082: Franklin Lee/Maria Cortez (Eco-Socialist Party)
2083-2090: Penny T. Coleman/Luther Rivera (Unionist Party)
2091-2094: Oswald Wells/Timothy Matthew Grey (Unionist Party) [Retired]
2095-2102: Robert Chang Jr./Alexis Patel (Eco-Socialist Party)
[After this it gets kind of boring]
[1] The Christian Party was the name of the party Pelley founded and ran for president under the ticket of. I'm pretty sure the Silver Legion was just his equivalent of the Brown Shirts.
[2] I couldn't find anything on Willard Kemp except that he was Pelley's running mate in the 1936 elections, so I just took some artistic license and said he outlived Pelley by a few years before retiring due to old age.
[3] IOTL Spencer and Fuentes actually have a feud, apparently (I didn't bother finding out why), but I decided to take the liberty of butterflying that away.
[4] Every single one of the presidents after Spencer was made up by me and they are not intended to represent real people. Any resemblance to someone who exists IRL is purely coincidental. Also, yes, Elisa Wei was assassinated by a counter-revolutionary.
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I'd hope a "It Can't Happen Here" scenario would end some time in the 60s at most for it to be considered a happy ending. Though I'd go a terrible dictatorship by Pelley, then in the 40s he's overthrown and a nicer dictatorship is led by Douglas MacArthur. Then after he dies democracy returns
The Year Of Three Presidents
37: Richard Milhous Nixon*/Spiro Agnew(January 20 1969-March 23 1973)-of Nixon's mistakes, one of them may have been keeping Agnew. Shot by Arthur Bremer, Nixon seemed to survive albeit paralyzed from the waist down. He was still popular, and believed that his condition would not bring him down. His mistake was keeping Agnew for appeal to conservative voters. However his weakened state led to him coming down with an illness, leading to him having a stroke that killed him shortly into his second term.
38: Spiro Agnew***(March 23 1973-December 18 1973)/Gerald Ford(October 19-December 18 1973)-people were quick to look past the Watergate burglary when it came to the Agnew Scandal. "Nixon's Nixon" soon found himself in trouble for tax evasion from his time as governor. What could've been a survivable scandal led to him trying to cover it up and plot to delay a good vice president as long as possible, a scheme to keep himself in power. Eventually Ford was picked as VP, and Agnew faced impeachment. Infamously, he is the first president to be straight out removed from office
39: Gerald Ford(December 18 1973-January 20 1977)/George HW Bush(January 20 1974-January 20 1977): Ford had to deal with the death and resignation of two presidents in a year. Refusing to pardon Agnew, Ford's stigma on his "double accidental" presidency would hurt him coming in re-election. He decided to step down from the Election of 1976, instead putting his support towards Ronald Reagan and Bob Dole. It's thought that he wished to run on his own terms in 1980. However Reagan and Dole would lose to the relative outsider Carter and Adlai Stevenson III.
Dark And Bloody Decade
34: Dwight D Eisenhower/Richard M Nixon(1953-1961)
35: John F Kennedy**/Lyndon B Johnson(1961-1963)
36: Lyndon B Johnson(1963-1969)/Hubert Humphrey(1965-1969)
37: Richard M Nixon**/Spiro Agnew(1969-1972)
38: Spiro Agnew/Gerald Ford(1972-1973)
39: Ronald Reagan**/Gerald Ford(1973-1974)
40: Gerald Ford**/Nelson Rockefeller(1974-1975)
41: Nelson Rockefeller/Bob Dole(1975-1977)
42: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale(1977-1981)
The Year Of Three Presidents
37: Richard Milhous Nixon*/Spiro Agnew(January 20 1969-March 23 1973)-of Nixon's mistakes, one of them may have been keeping Agnew. Shot by Arthur Bremer, Nixon seemed to survive albeit paralyzed from the waist down. He was still popular, and believed that his condition would not bring him down. His mistake was keeping Agnew for appeal to conservative voters. However his weakened state led to him coming down with an illness, leading to him having a stroke that killed him shortly into his second term.
38: Spiro Agnew***(March 23 1973-December 18 1973)/Gerald Ford(October 19-December 18 1973)-people were quick to look past the Watergate burglary when it came to the Agnew Scandal. "Nixon's Nixon" soon found himself in trouble for tax evasion from his time as governor. What could've been a survivable scandal led to him trying to cover it up and plot to delay a good vice president as long as possible, a scheme to keep himself in power. Eventually Ford was picked as VP, and Agnew faced impeachment. Infamously, he is the first president to be straight out removed from office
39: Gerald Ford(December 18 1973-January 20 1977)/George HW Bush(January 20 1974-January 20 1977): Ford had to deal with the death and resignation of two presidents in a year. Refusing to pardon Agnew, Ford's stigma on his "double accidental" presidency would hurt him coming in re-election. He decided to step down from the Election of 1976, instead putting his support towards Ronald Reagan and Bob Dole. It's thought that he wished to run on his own terms in 1980. However Reagan and Dole would lose to the relative outsider Carter and Adlai Stevenson III.
Dark And Bloody Decade
34: Dwight D Eisenhower/Richard M Nixon(1953-1961)
35: John F Kennedy**/Lyndon B Johnson(1961-1963)
36: Lyndon B Johnson(1963-1969)/Hubert Humphrey(1965-1969)
37: Richard M Nixon**/Spiro Agnew(1969-1972)
38: Spiro Agnew/Gerald Ford(1972-1973)
39: Ronald Reagan**/Gerald Ford(1973-1974)
40: Gerald Ford**/Nelson Rockefeller(1974-1975)
41: Nelson Rockefeller/Bob Dole(1975-1977)
42: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale(1977-1981)
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1936-1940: Sen. Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip (D-NY)/Sen. Perley Beecroft (D-NC)
def. Sen. Walt Trowbridge (R-OR)/Rep. Grant Matthews (R-NV), Vice President John Nance Garner (New Deal Democrat-TX)/Sen. Robert M. La Follette Jr. (Progressive Republican-WI)
1940-1944: President Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip (D-NY)/VP Perley Beecroft (D-NC)
def. Election Suspended
1944-1945: President Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip (D-NY)/VP Perley Beecroft (D-NC)
def. Election Suspended
1945-1946: Sec. of State Lee Sarason (D-MA)/Vacant
1946: Military Coup. Gen. Douglas MacArthur (Military-AR)
def. President Lee Sarason (D-MA)
1946-1950: Gen. Douglas MacArthur (M-AR)
1950: Military Coup II. Dwight D. Eisenhower (M-NY)
def. Gen. Douglas MacArthur (M-AR)
1950-1969: Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower (M-NY)
1969: Col. John McCain (M-NM)
1970-1974: Barry Goldwater (Jeffersonian-AZ)/John Galt (J-OH)
def. John F. Kennedy (NDD-MA)/Robert Redford (NDD-CA), Tom Clancy (United States First-MD)/Oliver North (USF-TX), various
1974-1978: Barry Goldwater (J-AZ)/John Galt (J-OH)
def. Robert Redford (NDD-CA)/George McGovern (NDD-SD), Tom Clancy (USF-MD)/Oliver North (USF-TX), various
1978-1981: John Galt (J-OH)/Ronald Paul (J-TX)
def. George McGovern (Progressive Democratic-Republican-MD)/Jim Jones (PDR-CA), Oliver North (USF-TX)/John McCain (I-AZ)
1981-1982: Ronald Paul (J-TX)/Vacant
1982-1986: Ronald Paul (J-TX)/Andre Marrou (J-AK)
def. Mike Gravel (PDR-AK)/Larry Sanders (PDR-NY), Oliver North (USF-TX)/various
1986-1990: Larry Sanders (PDR-NY)/Gus Hall (PDR-MN)
def. Ronald Paul (J-TX)/Andre Marrou (J-AK)
1990-1994: Larry Sanders (PDR-NY)/Gus Hall (PDR-MN)
def. Harry Browne (J-TN)/Pat Buchanan (J/USF-VA)
1994-1998: Donald Trump (I-NY)/Ross Perot (I-TX)
def. Gus Hall (PDR-MN)/Bernard Sanders (PDR-NY), Pat Buchanan (Conservative-VA)/Bo Gritz (C-OK)
1998-2002: Andre Marrou (J-AK)/Mike Gravel (PDR-CA)
def. Donald Trump (I-NY)/Ross Perot (I-TX), Bo Gritz (C-OK)/David Duke (C-LA)
2002-2006: Andre Marrou (J-AK)/Mike Gravel (PDR-CA)
def. Gordon J. Humphrey (C-NH)/various
2006-2008: Mike Gravel (PDR-CA)/Bernard Sanders (PDR-VT)
def. Mitt Romney (J-UT)/George Bush (J-TX)
2008-2010: Bernard Sanders (PDR-VT)/vacant
2010-2014: Bernard Sanders (PDR-VT)/William Clinton (PDR-AR)
def. Jeb Bush (J-TX)/Rand Paul (J-KY)
2014-2016: William Clinton (PDR-AR)/Hillary Rodham (PDR-IL)
def. George Bush (J-TX)/Clint Eastwood (J-CA)
2016-2018: Hillary Rodham (PDR-IL)/vacant
2018-2022: Rand Paul (J-KY)/Gary Johnson (J-ND)
def. Hillary Rodham (PDR-IL)/Jay Inslee (PDR-WA), Bill Nye (Eco-Socialist-WA)/Albert Gore(ES-TN)
Ellis MacVey
Donor
I got that reference
EDIT: Hey, wait a minute, you stole my party name! (not actually mad, it's not a very creative name tbh)
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Gentleman Biaggi
Banned
Based on some shit in my test thread:
Franklin D. Roosevelt/Charles H. Martin (Democratic) 1941-1941
Charles H. Martin/vacant (Democratic) 1941-1943
Charles H. Martin/vacant (Independent) 1943-1945[1]
Def. Wendell Willkie/Charles McNary (Republican)
Alben Barkley/James Farley (Democratic) 1945-1949
Alben Barkley/Pat McCarran (Democratic) 1949-1952[2]
Pat McCarran/vacant (Democratic) 1952-1953[3]
1944 Def. Thomas Dewey/John Bricker (Republican) Phillip LaFollette/Philip Murray (Progressive)
1948 Def. Robert Taft/Dwight Green (Republican)
Earl Long/Oscar L. Chapman (Democratic) 1953-1957[4]
Def. Douglas MacArthur/Walter Judd (Republican)
Richard Nixon/Burton M. Cross (Republican) 1957-1965[5]
1956 Def. Earl Long/Oscar L. Chapman (Democratic) Melvin E. Thompson/James Eastland (State's Rights)
1960 Def. John W. Donahey/Robert Wagner Jr. (Democratic)
Mike Monroney/Thomas A. Burke (Democratic) 1965-1969[6]
Def. Burton M. Cross/Gerald Ford (Republican) unpledged electors (State's Rights)
Pat Nixon/Eliot Richardson (Republican) 1969-1971[7]
Eliot Richardson/vacant (Republican) 1971-1973
Eliot Richardson/Henry Bellimon (Republican) 1973-1977[8]
1968 Def. Mike Monroney/Thomas A. Burke (Democratic) Orval Faubus/Joseph O. Rodgers Jr. (State's Rights)
1972 Def. Philip A. Hart/Al Gore Sr. (Democratic)
Edwin Edwards/Orville Freeman (Democratic) 1977-1979[9]
Orville Freeman/Russell Long (Democratic) 1979-1980[10]
Russell Long/Toby Moffett (Democratic) 1980-1981[11]
Def. Eliot Richardson/Henry Bellimon (Republican)
Mike Gravel/Jim Thompson (Republican) 1981-1989[12]
1980 Def. Russell Long/Toby Moffett (Democratic)
1984 Def. Ernest Hollings/Cliff Finch (Democratic) David Koch/various (Independent)
Toni Nathan/Dan Quayle (Republican) 1989-1991[13]
Dan Quayle/vacant (Republican) 1991-1991[14]
Frank Church/Ted Stevens (Democratic/Republican) 1991-1993[15]
Def. Al Gore Jr./Dick Lamm (Democratic)
Russell Long/Mario Biaggi (National Union) 1993-1996[16]
Mario Biaggi/Ted Stevens (National Union) 1996-1997[17]
Def. Larry McDonald/James Roosevelt III (Democratic) Gene Burns/Ron Paul (Republican) Lyndon LaRouche/William Crowe (Anti-Corruption Alliance)
Dick Lamm/Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic) 1997-1998[18]
Geraldine Ferraro/Les Aspin (Democratic) 1998-2001[19]
Def. William J. Martini/Jack Gargan (Republican) Mario Biaggi/Pete Wilson (National Union) Gar Alperovitz/Ron Dellums (Commonwealth)
Jim Traficant/Howard Dean (Democratic) 2001-2005[20]
Def. Paul Wellstone/Connie Mack III (Republican)
Ted Stevens/Mitt Romney (Republican) 2005-2005[21]
Mitt Romney/J.C Watts (Republican) 2005-2013[22]
2004 Def. Jim Traficant/Howard Dean (Democratic)
2008 Def. Howard Dean/Ben Cayetano (Democratic) Glenn Greenwald/Sho Dozono (Independent)
Hillary Clinton/Mark Ruffalo (Republican) 2013-????[23]
Def. Bob Wise/Robert Kennedy Jr. (Democratic)
[1] The administration of Charles Martin is heavily considered by historians to be one of the worst in American history. While he admittedly did fight the Nazis in WWII, he also was a mixture of the worst parts of the Jackson, Wilson, and Roosevelt administrations with few of the upsides. He began Japanese internment, a horrid practice that was even opposed by J. Edgar Hoover, he frequently called for the jailing of dissenters (including two left-wing congressmen, who were jailed), he feuded with the Supreme Court, he rolled out the "Ickes Plan" which heavily hurt minorities and enriched white businessmen in the hands of the state (and caused Ickes to resign), he attacked labor unions, and following the Soviet surrender in WWII, he called Communists a "fifth column" for the Nazis, and then called for a "purge" of communists from the government, also he supported a segregated military, opposed foreign aid, and quietly supported racist acts against minorities, particularly Italians and Japanese who were not interned. It got so bad that Democrats kicked him out of their party in 1943, and a significant group of New Yorkers declared that if Martin were to come to New York he would be "hung by his thumbs". He is saved by his successes in WWII, but even then most historians contribute that to his cabinet.
[2] Following his election in 1944, Barkley was supposed to pick up the pieces of the Martin administration and the Democratic Party at-large. A narrow victory over Thomas Dewey largely caused by vote splitting lead by the newly-formed Progressive Party. Barkley ended WWII, and caused a major victory for the United States and its allies in 1947. This guaranteed him re-election in 1948, especially with Robert Taft running against him. However, in the interests of uniting the party, Barkley chose Pat McCarran as his running mate in 1948, which caused a minor controversy. Barkley's second term was filled with recession, corruption within the government, and the beginning of the Chinese Civil War, which became a decade-long clusterfuck for the United States. Barkley ignoring racial issues didn't help either, and he died shortly before his term would end in August of 1948.
[3] Pat McCarran served for not even a year and he's a footnote
[4] Earl Long was the first of many, many Louisianan presidents, and was the one who's term was not dominated by shit he actually did. Instead Earl Long's term was dominated by war in China and Barkley's recession. His narrow election that hinged on 22 votes in Oregon didn't help, and he was considered illegitimate by many. Still, he did some good. He particularly put aside his personal beliefs on segregation to desegregate the military after being advised by literally everyone to do so, and thus helped the rise of desegregation in the Democratic Party. In the end though, he's only remembered for China and the fact that his vice-president was dragged through the mud for donating $1 to the Spanish government in the Spanish Civil War. He was demolished in 1956.
[5] Dick Nixon's eight years in office are dominated by retrospect. In retrospect, the nuking of China was a horrid act that shouldn't have happened, at the time Americans supported it because they were tired of seeing their children sent home in body bags, in retrospect, the mild dismantling of the New Deal was a massive mistake, at the time it was seen as an economic revival, in retrospect, Nixon's ignorance of Civil Rights issues is shitty, at the time it was still shitty. Nixon was incredibly popular for his time, as his modest background helped him embody the downtrodden American sick and tired of constant war and rioting from labor unions and, er, um, *******. Sure, he used that image to help his rich friends, and sell out to the south, but still. Nixon was quite possibly the most popular president since Roosevelt, but even then he couldn't help his vice president.
[6] The 1964 election should've been a Republican landslide, however, Oklahoma Democrat Mike Monroney, a popular senator and former representative swept the nation with his platform of hope. After basically 20 years of negative campaigning, attack ads, and casual racism, many Americans felt refreshed by Monroney's optimism and narrowly elected him over Burton M. Cross. Monroney's term was dominated by the question of civil rights, and he perused a massive civil rights overhaul, passing two Civil Rights Acts and a Voting Rights Act. He also ended the war in China and passed a massive foreign aid bill for China, causing him to be quite popular with the KMT and Chinese public. Still, the passing of the CRAs and VRA caused a civil war within the Democratic Party that lead many Southerners to split. Monroney's chances for re-election seemed slim, especially considering his opponent, Pat Nixon, who was massively popular. Still, his successes are remembered popularly, and he's considered to be in the top tier of presidents.
[7] Pat Nixon, after being easily elected to the governorship of California in 1966, was easily elected president in 1968. Her time as president was short, but she's remembered as a trailblazer for women's rights in the White House, and frequently fired back at detractors who called her a puppet for her husband. However, much of her administration's goals never came to pass, as she was assassinated in 1971, causing Vice-President Eliot Richardson to follow in her footsteps.
[8] Eliot Richardson took office as a man trying to reunite his country. With this responsibility, he ended up making massive reforms to the United States government and becoming a true bipartisan figure. His pushes for women's rights activism in the wake of Nixon's death helped him historically, and blowout victories in the 1972 election grew his abilities in congress, and he caused a moderate Republican revolution of sorts. Still, he lost in 1976 due to a recession caused following the break out of the Russian Civil War and instability in Saudi Arabia. Richardson still remains popular, and even managed to win the governorship of Massachusetts in 1978. He returned to national politics under the Gravel administration as Secretary of State, but never ran for president again.
[9] Edwin Edwards was one of the most hated, despicable, and corrupt presidents who was only saved by Hoover and Martin in the presidential rankings of the 20th century. His failure to asses the economic recession caused massive instability in America, and then it turned out he took a shit ton of bribes, so he was impeached and America lost all faith in government. Not only that, but he refused to go quietly, locking himself and several political allies in the Oval Office with a gun, until he was forcibly removed by the military. Edwards became widely hated and caused the Democratic party to be destroyed
[10]&[11] Placeholders, although Freeman was assassinated and Long was a very good placeholder.
[12] While Edwards was despised the American public, Gravel was not for a variety of reasons. He was passionate as hell, and managed to push his way through the Republican Party in 1980, and then destroyed the Democratic party all over the map in the general election. Despite being to the left of his party, he got shit done, creating a massive jobs program, stabilizing the energy market by funding other energy sources, and rooted out corruption in the government. He created a left-wing revolution within the Republican Party, and became one of its defining figures. Still, he did have flaws, as he largely ignored the plight of many Russians during the Russian Civil War.
[13] Toni Nathan was the Secretary of the Interior under President Gravel, and became his designated successor after Jim Thompson decided against running for president. Nathan's administration was quite controversial, as while she did continue many of Gravel's policies, she also governed as a staunch libertarian, cutting many executive departments powers while simultaneously pushing for an amendment that would overturn Myers v. United States. Nathan's staunch democratic values caused her to push a controversial foreign policy that angered some more dictatorial American allies but also grew America's popularity with allies like the European Federation and the United Republics of China. Still, her most controversial push came in the area of LGBT rights. Nathan had been a large supporter of LGBT rights as a senator, governor, and Secretary of the Interior. She decriminalized same-sex relationships as governor of Oregon and notably stopped "sexuality tests" for department officials that started under Nixon. As president, Nathan allowed for members of the LGBT community to enter the military, but in the process was forced to fire the incumbent Secretary of Defense and Deputy Secretary of Defense to do so. Nathan's own Vice President, Dan Quayle opposed such measures, and considered resigning, but Nathan's death by heart attack caused Quayle to enter office. Nathan's pushes for LGBT rights, democratic foreign policy values, and decision to ignore many War on Drugs policies have caused her presidential stock to rise significantly post-presidency.
[14] Quayle was a placeholder, but his 2 months in office and death have caused his presidential stock to rise. Quayle symbolized a sort of "Republican Monroney" with his charisma and hope for the future, and was expected to be a popular president. However, a visit to Kansas lead to his death, as a member of the Westboro Baptist Church shot and killed Quayle due to the pro-LGBT policies under Nathan's administration. Quayle was made a martyr by those on the left and the right, and his assassination began a period of instability in the United States.
[15] Frank Church was the Speaker of the House for eight years before the assassination of Quayle. In another universe he may have been a Gravelite with his advocacy for clean government and many of his policy views being similar to Gravel's, however, Church was an Idaho populist through and through, and with this he was able to hold down Democratic support across the nation with strong support in rural regions along with Democratic cities like Chicago and New York City. As President he did much to stabilize the nation, and is remembered fondly for his pushes for national unity, a good economy in his term, and the official end of the Russian Civil War under his watch.
[16] Following the instability of the Quayle and Church administrations, former president Russell Long decided to form a "National Union" ticket with Republican Mayor of New York Mario Biaggi. While Biaggi was much closer to the Democratic Party politically, he was a Republican out of the memory of president Martin's anti-Italian rhetoric. The ticket swept the nation, especially as Democrats and Republicans nominated noted radicals. The closest thing to a strong opposition was television billionaire Lyndon LaRouche running on the "Anti-Corruption Alliance" ticket that alleged Long was corrupt. LaRouche polled at almost 40% at one point, but faltered in the campaign due to some of his radical positions and conflict of interest accusations. Long entered office strongly, and the economic boom of a post-Russian Civil War world, with America finally getting some sweet, sweet energy sources out of Russia (despite the growing use of Nuclear and Solar power pushed by Gravel and Church) helped him politically. Long basically governed as a prime minister, passing whatever congress wanted, but as America has grown more libertarian in nature and the congresses of Long's term were quite progressive, that's seen as a plus. The two terms of Long stabilizing things have made him a popular figure, although neither was fully complete, due to Long's death by heart attack in 1996.
[17] Placeholder, but I love him
[18] Dick Lamm was only in office for slightly over a year, but in that time he became one of the most controversial figures in the United States. Originally winning in a four-way race, he began his time in office with a bang, by attempting to pass conservative immigration policies and more infamously, the Population Control Act. The PCA was horrendously unpopular, hated by members of both parties (and the few members of the National Union and Commonwealth Parties with congressional representation). It was destroyed in congress by a coalition of people who disliked its pro-abortion and sex ed views, people who disliked its intrusion on American life, and people who read the name of the Act and rightly thought it was horrid. Lamm would then have icy relations with congress, which culminated in his impeachment in 1998 for controversial comments in a speech many people found racist towards Mexican immigrants. The impeachment was clearly politically motivated, and the portrayal of that in Democratic media caused many Democratic voters to see Lamm as a martyr. This lead to Democrats actually gaining seats in congress despite Lamm's impeachment. While many still opposed the PCA, Lamm's martyrship was more over his conservative positions on immigration. Lamm has become increasingly unpopular with his history of bad public appearances and many revisiting his administration and the negative incidents it caused.
[19] Ferraro took office following the Lamm administration and was expected to stabilize things. Instead her poor relationship with congress and inability to handle increasingly radical members of her own party caused her downfall. The economy hurting after years of success didn't help, and Ferraro became the first incumbent president since the 19th century to lose re-nomination.
[20] In 2000, Jim Traficant took over his party in a wave of anger over Lamm's impeachment, a bad economy, and general instability. He won over Republican senator Paul Wellstone in a surprise victory and he channeled America's anger like no politician other than Richard Nixon had. Traficant can best be described as a "less crazy, more successful Dick Lamm", passing several acts restricting immigration, improving the economy, and generally being the first successful conservative Democrat president since Earl Long. Despite his conservatism, he never messed with LGBT rights as president which helped his reputation. Strangely despite Traficant's past as a star quarterback, chaotic style, and ability to tap into anger, he's remembered as a middle-of-the-road president, as he didn't accomplish much that directly impacted Americans, but he also wasn't horrible.
[21] Ted Stevens was a placeholder, but he's remembered fondly for his time as Vice-President in two popular administrations.
[22] Mitt Romney was an interesting president. His administration was the first since Gravel's to serve two terms, and his pushes for LGBT and women's rights have become increasingly popular to this day. The good economy of his administration is still remembered to this day, but his biggest accomplishment was forging a deal between Israel and the United Arab Republic, which made him incredibly popular as a negotiator. Still, as his administration is very recent and most Americans remember his economy more than his accomplishments, it will take some time to see if people in the future see him as such a good president.
[23] Incumbent president, full summary pending.
Franklin D. Roosevelt/Charles H. Martin (Democratic) 1941-1941
Charles H. Martin/vacant (Democratic) 1941-1943
Charles H. Martin/vacant (Independent) 1943-1945[1]
Def. Wendell Willkie/Charles McNary (Republican)
Alben Barkley/James Farley (Democratic) 1945-1949
Alben Barkley/Pat McCarran (Democratic) 1949-1952[2]
Pat McCarran/vacant (Democratic) 1952-1953[3]
1944 Def. Thomas Dewey/John Bricker (Republican) Phillip LaFollette/Philip Murray (Progressive)
1948 Def. Robert Taft/Dwight Green (Republican)
Earl Long/Oscar L. Chapman (Democratic) 1953-1957[4]
Def. Douglas MacArthur/Walter Judd (Republican)
Richard Nixon/Burton M. Cross (Republican) 1957-1965[5]
1956 Def. Earl Long/Oscar L. Chapman (Democratic) Melvin E. Thompson/James Eastland (State's Rights)
1960 Def. John W. Donahey/Robert Wagner Jr. (Democratic)
Mike Monroney/Thomas A. Burke (Democratic) 1965-1969[6]
Def. Burton M. Cross/Gerald Ford (Republican) unpledged electors (State's Rights)
Pat Nixon/Eliot Richardson (Republican) 1969-1971[7]
Eliot Richardson/vacant (Republican) 1971-1973
Eliot Richardson/Henry Bellimon (Republican) 1973-1977[8]
1968 Def. Mike Monroney/Thomas A. Burke (Democratic) Orval Faubus/Joseph O. Rodgers Jr. (State's Rights)
1972 Def. Philip A. Hart/Al Gore Sr. (Democratic)
Edwin Edwards/Orville Freeman (Democratic) 1977-1979[9]
Orville Freeman/Russell Long (Democratic) 1979-1980[10]
Russell Long/Toby Moffett (Democratic) 1980-1981[11]
Def. Eliot Richardson/Henry Bellimon (Republican)
Mike Gravel/Jim Thompson (Republican) 1981-1989[12]
1980 Def. Russell Long/Toby Moffett (Democratic)
1984 Def. Ernest Hollings/Cliff Finch (Democratic) David Koch/various (Independent)
Toni Nathan/Dan Quayle (Republican) 1989-1991[13]
Dan Quayle/vacant (Republican) 1991-1991[14]
Frank Church/Ted Stevens (Democratic/Republican) 1991-1993[15]
Def. Al Gore Jr./Dick Lamm (Democratic)
Russell Long/Mario Biaggi (National Union) 1993-1996[16]
Mario Biaggi/Ted Stevens (National Union) 1996-1997[17]
Def. Larry McDonald/James Roosevelt III (Democratic) Gene Burns/Ron Paul (Republican) Lyndon LaRouche/William Crowe (Anti-Corruption Alliance)
Dick Lamm/Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic) 1997-1998[18]
Geraldine Ferraro/Les Aspin (Democratic) 1998-2001[19]
Def. William J. Martini/Jack Gargan (Republican) Mario Biaggi/Pete Wilson (National Union) Gar Alperovitz/Ron Dellums (Commonwealth)
Jim Traficant/Howard Dean (Democratic) 2001-2005[20]
Def. Paul Wellstone/Connie Mack III (Republican)
Ted Stevens/Mitt Romney (Republican) 2005-2005[21]
Mitt Romney/J.C Watts (Republican) 2005-2013[22]
2004 Def. Jim Traficant/Howard Dean (Democratic)
2008 Def. Howard Dean/Ben Cayetano (Democratic) Glenn Greenwald/Sho Dozono (Independent)
Hillary Clinton/Mark Ruffalo (Republican) 2013-????[23]
Def. Bob Wise/Robert Kennedy Jr. (Democratic)
[1] The administration of Charles Martin is heavily considered by historians to be one of the worst in American history. While he admittedly did fight the Nazis in WWII, he also was a mixture of the worst parts of the Jackson, Wilson, and Roosevelt administrations with few of the upsides. He began Japanese internment, a horrid practice that was even opposed by J. Edgar Hoover, he frequently called for the jailing of dissenters (including two left-wing congressmen, who were jailed), he feuded with the Supreme Court, he rolled out the "Ickes Plan" which heavily hurt minorities and enriched white businessmen in the hands of the state (and caused Ickes to resign), he attacked labor unions, and following the Soviet surrender in WWII, he called Communists a "fifth column" for the Nazis, and then called for a "purge" of communists from the government, also he supported a segregated military, opposed foreign aid, and quietly supported racist acts against minorities, particularly Italians and Japanese who were not interned. It got so bad that Democrats kicked him out of their party in 1943, and a significant group of New Yorkers declared that if Martin were to come to New York he would be "hung by his thumbs". He is saved by his successes in WWII, but even then most historians contribute that to his cabinet.
[2] Following his election in 1944, Barkley was supposed to pick up the pieces of the Martin administration and the Democratic Party at-large. A narrow victory over Thomas Dewey largely caused by vote splitting lead by the newly-formed Progressive Party. Barkley ended WWII, and caused a major victory for the United States and its allies in 1947. This guaranteed him re-election in 1948, especially with Robert Taft running against him. However, in the interests of uniting the party, Barkley chose Pat McCarran as his running mate in 1948, which caused a minor controversy. Barkley's second term was filled with recession, corruption within the government, and the beginning of the Chinese Civil War, which became a decade-long clusterfuck for the United States. Barkley ignoring racial issues didn't help either, and he died shortly before his term would end in August of 1948.
[3] Pat McCarran served for not even a year and he's a footnote
[4] Earl Long was the first of many, many Louisianan presidents, and was the one who's term was not dominated by shit he actually did. Instead Earl Long's term was dominated by war in China and Barkley's recession. His narrow election that hinged on 22 votes in Oregon didn't help, and he was considered illegitimate by many. Still, he did some good. He particularly put aside his personal beliefs on segregation to desegregate the military after being advised by literally everyone to do so, and thus helped the rise of desegregation in the Democratic Party. In the end though, he's only remembered for China and the fact that his vice-president was dragged through the mud for donating $1 to the Spanish government in the Spanish Civil War. He was demolished in 1956.
[5] Dick Nixon's eight years in office are dominated by retrospect. In retrospect, the nuking of China was a horrid act that shouldn't have happened, at the time Americans supported it because they were tired of seeing their children sent home in body bags, in retrospect, the mild dismantling of the New Deal was a massive mistake, at the time it was seen as an economic revival, in retrospect, Nixon's ignorance of Civil Rights issues is shitty, at the time it was still shitty. Nixon was incredibly popular for his time, as his modest background helped him embody the downtrodden American sick and tired of constant war and rioting from labor unions and, er, um, *******. Sure, he used that image to help his rich friends, and sell out to the south, but still. Nixon was quite possibly the most popular president since Roosevelt, but even then he couldn't help his vice president.
[6] The 1964 election should've been a Republican landslide, however, Oklahoma Democrat Mike Monroney, a popular senator and former representative swept the nation with his platform of hope. After basically 20 years of negative campaigning, attack ads, and casual racism, many Americans felt refreshed by Monroney's optimism and narrowly elected him over Burton M. Cross. Monroney's term was dominated by the question of civil rights, and he perused a massive civil rights overhaul, passing two Civil Rights Acts and a Voting Rights Act. He also ended the war in China and passed a massive foreign aid bill for China, causing him to be quite popular with the KMT and Chinese public. Still, the passing of the CRAs and VRA caused a civil war within the Democratic Party that lead many Southerners to split. Monroney's chances for re-election seemed slim, especially considering his opponent, Pat Nixon, who was massively popular. Still, his successes are remembered popularly, and he's considered to be in the top tier of presidents.
[7] Pat Nixon, after being easily elected to the governorship of California in 1966, was easily elected president in 1968. Her time as president was short, but she's remembered as a trailblazer for women's rights in the White House, and frequently fired back at detractors who called her a puppet for her husband. However, much of her administration's goals never came to pass, as she was assassinated in 1971, causing Vice-President Eliot Richardson to follow in her footsteps.
[8] Eliot Richardson took office as a man trying to reunite his country. With this responsibility, he ended up making massive reforms to the United States government and becoming a true bipartisan figure. His pushes for women's rights activism in the wake of Nixon's death helped him historically, and blowout victories in the 1972 election grew his abilities in congress, and he caused a moderate Republican revolution of sorts. Still, he lost in 1976 due to a recession caused following the break out of the Russian Civil War and instability in Saudi Arabia. Richardson still remains popular, and even managed to win the governorship of Massachusetts in 1978. He returned to national politics under the Gravel administration as Secretary of State, but never ran for president again.
[9] Edwin Edwards was one of the most hated, despicable, and corrupt presidents who was only saved by Hoover and Martin in the presidential rankings of the 20th century. His failure to asses the economic recession caused massive instability in America, and then it turned out he took a shit ton of bribes, so he was impeached and America lost all faith in government. Not only that, but he refused to go quietly, locking himself and several political allies in the Oval Office with a gun, until he was forcibly removed by the military. Edwards became widely hated and caused the Democratic party to be destroyed
[10]&[11] Placeholders, although Freeman was assassinated and Long was a very good placeholder.
[12] While Edwards was despised the American public, Gravel was not for a variety of reasons. He was passionate as hell, and managed to push his way through the Republican Party in 1980, and then destroyed the Democratic party all over the map in the general election. Despite being to the left of his party, he got shit done, creating a massive jobs program, stabilizing the energy market by funding other energy sources, and rooted out corruption in the government. He created a left-wing revolution within the Republican Party, and became one of its defining figures. Still, he did have flaws, as he largely ignored the plight of many Russians during the Russian Civil War.
[13] Toni Nathan was the Secretary of the Interior under President Gravel, and became his designated successor after Jim Thompson decided against running for president. Nathan's administration was quite controversial, as while she did continue many of Gravel's policies, she also governed as a staunch libertarian, cutting many executive departments powers while simultaneously pushing for an amendment that would overturn Myers v. United States. Nathan's staunch democratic values caused her to push a controversial foreign policy that angered some more dictatorial American allies but also grew America's popularity with allies like the European Federation and the United Republics of China. Still, her most controversial push came in the area of LGBT rights. Nathan had been a large supporter of LGBT rights as a senator, governor, and Secretary of the Interior. She decriminalized same-sex relationships as governor of Oregon and notably stopped "sexuality tests" for department officials that started under Nixon. As president, Nathan allowed for members of the LGBT community to enter the military, but in the process was forced to fire the incumbent Secretary of Defense and Deputy Secretary of Defense to do so. Nathan's own Vice President, Dan Quayle opposed such measures, and considered resigning, but Nathan's death by heart attack caused Quayle to enter office. Nathan's pushes for LGBT rights, democratic foreign policy values, and decision to ignore many War on Drugs policies have caused her presidential stock to rise significantly post-presidency.
[14] Quayle was a placeholder, but his 2 months in office and death have caused his presidential stock to rise. Quayle symbolized a sort of "Republican Monroney" with his charisma and hope for the future, and was expected to be a popular president. However, a visit to Kansas lead to his death, as a member of the Westboro Baptist Church shot and killed Quayle due to the pro-LGBT policies under Nathan's administration. Quayle was made a martyr by those on the left and the right, and his assassination began a period of instability in the United States.
[15] Frank Church was the Speaker of the House for eight years before the assassination of Quayle. In another universe he may have been a Gravelite with his advocacy for clean government and many of his policy views being similar to Gravel's, however, Church was an Idaho populist through and through, and with this he was able to hold down Democratic support across the nation with strong support in rural regions along with Democratic cities like Chicago and New York City. As President he did much to stabilize the nation, and is remembered fondly for his pushes for national unity, a good economy in his term, and the official end of the Russian Civil War under his watch.
[16] Following the instability of the Quayle and Church administrations, former president Russell Long decided to form a "National Union" ticket with Republican Mayor of New York Mario Biaggi. While Biaggi was much closer to the Democratic Party politically, he was a Republican out of the memory of president Martin's anti-Italian rhetoric. The ticket swept the nation, especially as Democrats and Republicans nominated noted radicals. The closest thing to a strong opposition was television billionaire Lyndon LaRouche running on the "Anti-Corruption Alliance" ticket that alleged Long was corrupt. LaRouche polled at almost 40% at one point, but faltered in the campaign due to some of his radical positions and conflict of interest accusations. Long entered office strongly, and the economic boom of a post-Russian Civil War world, with America finally getting some sweet, sweet energy sources out of Russia (despite the growing use of Nuclear and Solar power pushed by Gravel and Church) helped him politically. Long basically governed as a prime minister, passing whatever congress wanted, but as America has grown more libertarian in nature and the congresses of Long's term were quite progressive, that's seen as a plus. The two terms of Long stabilizing things have made him a popular figure, although neither was fully complete, due to Long's death by heart attack in 1996.
[17] Placeholder, but I love him
[18] Dick Lamm was only in office for slightly over a year, but in that time he became one of the most controversial figures in the United States. Originally winning in a four-way race, he began his time in office with a bang, by attempting to pass conservative immigration policies and more infamously, the Population Control Act. The PCA was horrendously unpopular, hated by members of both parties (and the few members of the National Union and Commonwealth Parties with congressional representation). It was destroyed in congress by a coalition of people who disliked its pro-abortion and sex ed views, people who disliked its intrusion on American life, and people who read the name of the Act and rightly thought it was horrid. Lamm would then have icy relations with congress, which culminated in his impeachment in 1998 for controversial comments in a speech many people found racist towards Mexican immigrants. The impeachment was clearly politically motivated, and the portrayal of that in Democratic media caused many Democratic voters to see Lamm as a martyr. This lead to Democrats actually gaining seats in congress despite Lamm's impeachment. While many still opposed the PCA, Lamm's martyrship was more over his conservative positions on immigration. Lamm has become increasingly unpopular with his history of bad public appearances and many revisiting his administration and the negative incidents it caused.
[19] Ferraro took office following the Lamm administration and was expected to stabilize things. Instead her poor relationship with congress and inability to handle increasingly radical members of her own party caused her downfall. The economy hurting after years of success didn't help, and Ferraro became the first incumbent president since the 19th century to lose re-nomination.
[20] In 2000, Jim Traficant took over his party in a wave of anger over Lamm's impeachment, a bad economy, and general instability. He won over Republican senator Paul Wellstone in a surprise victory and he channeled America's anger like no politician other than Richard Nixon had. Traficant can best be described as a "less crazy, more successful Dick Lamm", passing several acts restricting immigration, improving the economy, and generally being the first successful conservative Democrat president since Earl Long. Despite his conservatism, he never messed with LGBT rights as president which helped his reputation. Strangely despite Traficant's past as a star quarterback, chaotic style, and ability to tap into anger, he's remembered as a middle-of-the-road president, as he didn't accomplish much that directly impacted Americans, but he also wasn't horrible.
[21] Ted Stevens was a placeholder, but he's remembered fondly for his time as Vice-President in two popular administrations.
[22] Mitt Romney was an interesting president. His administration was the first since Gravel's to serve two terms, and his pushes for LGBT and women's rights have become increasingly popular to this day. The good economy of his administration is still remembered to this day, but his biggest accomplishment was forging a deal between Israel and the United Arab Republic, which made him incredibly popular as a negotiator. Still, as his administration is very recent and most Americans remember his economy more than his accomplishments, it will take some time to see if people in the future see him as such a good president.
[23] Incumbent president, full summary pending.
The Assistant Becomes The President
McKinley and Hobart swap their medical conditions. Hobart avoids heart problems, but McKinley gets sick and dies. Though later than OTL Hobart
25(first term): William McKinley*/Garret Hobart(March 4 1897-November 28 1900)
-Election of 1900: William McKinley/Garret Hobart(Republican) vs William Jennings Bryan/Charles A Towne(Democrat)
26(first term): Garret Hobart(November 28 1900-March 4 1901)
26(second term): Garret Hobart(March 4 1901-March 4 1905)
-Election of 1904: Garret Hobart/Robert R Hill(Republican) vs Francis Cockrell/Henry G Davis(Democrat)
27(first term): Francis Cockrell/Henry G Davis(March 4 1905-March 4 1909)
-Election of 1908: Francis Cockrell/Clark Howell(Democrat) vs Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican) vs Henry C Wallace/Samuel Williams(Populist)
28(first term): Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(March 4 1909-March 4 1913)
-Election of 1912: Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican) vs William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(Democrat)
29(first term): William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(March 4 1913-March 4 1917)
-Election of 1916: William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt/George L Sheldon(Republican) vs Eugene Debs/Emil Seidel(Socialist)
29(second term): William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(March 4 1917-March 4 1921)
-Election of 1920: Thomas R Marshall/Oscar Underwood(Democrat) vs George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(Republican)
30(first term): George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(March 4 1921-March 4 1925)
-Election of 1924: George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(Republican) vs Oscar Underwood/John W Davis(Democrat)
30(second term): George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(March 4 1925-March 4 1929)
Abridged list
McKinley and Hobart swap their medical conditions. Hobart avoids heart problems, but McKinley gets sick and dies. Though later than OTL Hobart
25(first term): William McKinley*/Garret Hobart(March 4 1897-November 28 1900)
-Election of 1900: William McKinley/Garret Hobart(Republican) vs William Jennings Bryan/Charles A Towne(Democrat)
26(first term): Garret Hobart(November 28 1900-March 4 1901)
26(second term): Garret Hobart(March 4 1901-March 4 1905)
-Election of 1904: Garret Hobart/Robert R Hill(Republican) vs Francis Cockrell/Henry G Davis(Democrat)
27(first term): Francis Cockrell/Henry G Davis(March 4 1905-March 4 1909)
-Election of 1908: Francis Cockrell/Clark Howell(Democrat) vs Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican) vs Henry C Wallace/Samuel Williams(Populist)
28(first term): Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(March 4 1909-March 4 1913)
-Election of 1912: Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican) vs William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(Democrat)
29(first term): William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(March 4 1913-March 4 1917)
-Election of 1916: William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt/George L Sheldon(Republican) vs Eugene Debs/Emil Seidel(Socialist)
29(second term): William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(March 4 1917-March 4 1921)
-Election of 1920: Thomas R Marshall/Oscar Underwood(Democrat) vs George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(Republican)
30(first term): George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(March 4 1921-March 4 1925)
-Election of 1924: George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(Republican) vs Oscar Underwood/John W Davis(Democrat)
30(second term): George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(March 4 1925-March 4 1929)
Abridged list
- 25: William McKinley*/Garret Hobart(1897-1900)
- 26: Garret Hobart(1900-1905)
- 27: Francis Cockrell/Henry G Davis(1905-1909)
- 28: Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(1909-1913)
- 29: William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(1913-1921)
- 30: George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(1921-1929)
I've always wondered how a Hobart presidency might have been had he lived and McKinley still died. I wonder if anyone has ever done a TL on that idea.
Presidents on Film: Dave
George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle (1988-1992)
Def..Mike Dukakis/Lloyd Benson
William Mitchell*/Gary Nance (1992-1993)
Def..George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle
Def..Ross Perot/James Stockdale
Gary Nance/Vacant (1993)
Gary Nance/Christopher Dodd (1993-2000)
Def..Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
Def..Ross Perot/Pat Choate
Christopher Dodd/Al Gore (2000-2004)
Def..George W Bush/Dick Cheney
John McCain/John Engler (2004-2012)
Def..Christopher Dodd/Al Gore
Def..John Kerry/ Barack Obama
Helen Kovic*/Alan Reed (2012-2020)
Def..Mitt Romney/Sarah Palin
Def..Jeb Bush/Paul Ryan
* President Mitchell died in office after a series brain hemorrhages.
*fun fact President Korvic is the Widow to Former President Mitchell
George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle (1988-1992)
Def..Mike Dukakis/Lloyd Benson
William Mitchell*/Gary Nance (1992-1993)
Def..George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle
Def..Ross Perot/James Stockdale
Gary Nance/Vacant (1993)
Gary Nance/Christopher Dodd (1993-2000)
Def..Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
Def..Ross Perot/Pat Choate
Christopher Dodd/Al Gore (2000-2004)
Def..George W Bush/Dick Cheney
John McCain/John Engler (2004-2012)
Def..Christopher Dodd/Al Gore
Def..John Kerry/ Barack Obama
Helen Kovic*/Alan Reed (2012-2020)
Def..Mitt Romney/Sarah Palin
Def..Jeb Bush/Paul Ryan
* President Mitchell died in office after a series brain hemorrhages.
*fun fact President Korvic is the Widow to Former President Mitchell
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Not quite. Not a Biden fan but the southern democrats of old are Republicans.
A Bull Elephant
T.R decides to contain his ego and doesn't run against Taft in 1912. Or more accurately he predicts the rift it'd create. Of course, his ego is still strong enough to run in 1916.
27(first term): William Howard Taft(March 4 1909-March 4 1913)/James S Sherman*(March 4 1909-October 30 1912)
-Election of 1912: William H Taft/James S Sherman*, Nicholas M Butler(Republican) vs Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(Democrat) vs Eugene V Debs/Emil Seidel(Socialist)
28(first term): Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(March 4 1913-March 4 1917)
-Election of 1916: Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt/William Borah(Republican)
29(third term): Theodore Roosevelt/William Borah(March 4 1917-March 4 1921)
-Election of 1920: Hiram Johnson/Calvin Coolidge(Republican) vs James M Cox/Oscar Underwood(Democrat)
30(first term): Hiram Johnson(March 4 1921-March 4 1925)/Calvin Coolidge(March 4 1921-October 3 1923)-Coolidge and the conservative faction have a falling out, and he quits his job Calhoun style
-Election of 1924: Hiram Johnson/William Borah(Progressive Republican) vs Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover(Conservative Republican) vs James M Cox/George L Berry(Democrat)
31(first term): James M Cox/George L Berry(March 4 1925-March 4 1929)
-Election of 1928: James M Cox/Cordell Hull(Democrat) vs Charles Curtis/Herman Ekern(Republican) vs William Z Foster/Benjamin Gitlow(Communist)
31(second term): James M Cox/Cordell Hull(March 4 1929-March 4 1933)
Abridged list
I Am Not My Father
Arthur is renominated and re-elected, with loyal Robert Lincoln as his VP. Unfortunately Arthur was lying about his health.
21(first term): Chester A Arthur(September 19 1881-March 4 1885)
-Election of 1884: Chester A Arthur/Robert T Lincoln(Republican) vs Grover Cleveland/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat)
21(second term): Chester A Arthur*/Robert T Lincoln(March 4 1885-November 18 1886)
22(first term): Robert T Lincoln(November 18 1886-March 4 1889)
-Election of 1888: Benjamin Harrison/William W Phelps(Republican) vs Samuel J Randall/(Democrat)
23(first term): Samuel J Randall*/Adlai Stevenson I(March 4 1889-April 13 1890)
24(first term): Adlai Stevenson I(April 13 1890-March 4 1893)
-Election of 1892: Adlai Stevenson I/William Bourke Cockran(Democrat) vs John Sherman/Whitelaw Reid(Republican)
24(second term): Adlai Stevenson I/William Bourke Cockran(March 4 1893-March 4 1897)
-Election of 1896: Horace Boies/Walter Clark(Democrat) vs Robert T Lincoln/Frederick D Grant(Republican)
25(second term): Robert T Lincoln/Frederick D Grant(March 4 1897-March 4 1901)
-Election of 1900: Thomas Brackett Read/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican) vs Nelson A Miles/George Turner
26(first term): Nelson A Miles/George Turner(March 4 1901-March 4 1905)
-Election of 1904: Nelson A Miles/George Turner(Democrat) vs Joseph B Foraker/George L Sheldon(Republican)
26(second term): Nelson A Miles/George Turner(March 4 1905-March 4 1909)
Abridged list
T.R decides to contain his ego and doesn't run against Taft in 1912. Or more accurately he predicts the rift it'd create. Of course, his ego is still strong enough to run in 1916.
27(first term): William Howard Taft(March 4 1909-March 4 1913)/James S Sherman*(March 4 1909-October 30 1912)
-Election of 1912: William H Taft/James S Sherman*, Nicholas M Butler(Republican) vs Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(Democrat) vs Eugene V Debs/Emil Seidel(Socialist)
28(first term): Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(March 4 1913-March 4 1917)
-Election of 1916: Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt/William Borah(Republican)
29(third term): Theodore Roosevelt/William Borah(March 4 1917-March 4 1921)
-Election of 1920: Hiram Johnson/Calvin Coolidge(Republican) vs James M Cox/Oscar Underwood(Democrat)
30(first term): Hiram Johnson(March 4 1921-March 4 1925)/Calvin Coolidge(March 4 1921-October 3 1923)-Coolidge and the conservative faction have a falling out, and he quits his job Calhoun style
-Election of 1924: Hiram Johnson/William Borah(Progressive Republican) vs Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover(Conservative Republican) vs James M Cox/George L Berry(Democrat)
31(first term): James M Cox/George L Berry(March 4 1925-March 4 1929)
-Election of 1928: James M Cox/Cordell Hull(Democrat) vs Charles Curtis/Herman Ekern(Republican) vs William Z Foster/Benjamin Gitlow(Communist)
31(second term): James M Cox/Cordell Hull(March 4 1929-March 4 1933)
Abridged list
- 25: William McKinley**(1897-1901)/Garret Hobart*(1897-1899), Theodore Roosevelt(1901)
- 26/29: Theodore Roosevelt(1901-1909, 1917-1921), Charles W Fairbanks(1905-1909),
- 27: William H Taft(1909-1913)/James S Sherman*(1909-1912)
- 28: Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(1913-1917)
- 30: Hiram Johnson(1921-1925)/Calvin Coolidge(1921-1923)
- 31: James M Cox(1925-1933)/George L Berry(1925-1929), Cordell Hull(1929-1933)
I Am Not My Father
Arthur is renominated and re-elected, with loyal Robert Lincoln as his VP. Unfortunately Arthur was lying about his health.
21(first term): Chester A Arthur(September 19 1881-March 4 1885)
-Election of 1884: Chester A Arthur/Robert T Lincoln(Republican) vs Grover Cleveland/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat)
21(second term): Chester A Arthur*/Robert T Lincoln(March 4 1885-November 18 1886)
22(first term): Robert T Lincoln(November 18 1886-March 4 1889)
-Election of 1888: Benjamin Harrison/William W Phelps(Republican) vs Samuel J Randall/(Democrat)
23(first term): Samuel J Randall*/Adlai Stevenson I(March 4 1889-April 13 1890)
24(first term): Adlai Stevenson I(April 13 1890-March 4 1893)
-Election of 1892: Adlai Stevenson I/William Bourke Cockran(Democrat) vs John Sherman/Whitelaw Reid(Republican)
24(second term): Adlai Stevenson I/William Bourke Cockran(March 4 1893-March 4 1897)
-Election of 1896: Horace Boies/Walter Clark(Democrat) vs Robert T Lincoln/Frederick D Grant(Republican)
25(second term): Robert T Lincoln/Frederick D Grant(March 4 1897-March 4 1901)
-Election of 1900: Thomas Brackett Read/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican) vs Nelson A Miles/George Turner
26(first term): Nelson A Miles/George Turner(March 4 1901-March 4 1905)
-Election of 1904: Nelson A Miles/George Turner(Democrat) vs Joseph B Foraker/George L Sheldon(Republican)
26(second term): Nelson A Miles/George Turner(March 4 1905-March 4 1909)
Abridged list
- 20: James A Garfield**/Chester A Arthur(1881)
- 21: Chester A Arthur*(1881-1886)/Robert T Lincoln(1885-1886)
- 22/25: Robert T Lincoln(1886-1889, 1897-1901)/Frederick T Grant(1897-1901)
- 23: Samuel J Randall*/Adlai Stevenson I(1889-1890)
- 24: Adlai Stevenson I(1890-1897)/William B Cockran(1893-1897)
- 26: Nelson A Miles/George Turner(1901-1909)
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Gone Fishin'
A Century of Lincolns And Roosevelts
Robert Todd Lincoln/Robert Marion La Follette S. Republican 1913- 1921
def. Woodrow Wilson. Theodore Roosevelt
James M. Cox Franklyn Roosevelt Democratic 1923-1925
def. Warren Harding
Franklyn Roosevelt /Vacant Democratic 1925- 1928
Frank Orren Lowden /Curtis Smith
def. Al Smith Republican 1933- 1937
Franklyn Roosevelt john Nancee garner. Henry Wallace. Harry Truman Democratic 1933_1945
def. Lowden.1932.Landon 36.Wilkie.1940.Dewey 44
Harry S. Truman/ Albert Barkley
Democratic 1945-1953
def. Thomas Dewey
Robert Todd Lincoln Beckwith Richard Nixon Republican 1953-1961
def. Hubert Humphrey 1952. Lyndon Johnson 1956
Richard Nixon/ Henry Cabot lodge
def. Adalie Stevenson Republican 1961-1969
Dewey F. Bartlett /George H. Bush R epublican 1969-1973
def. eugene Mcarthy
Henry "Scoop" Jackson/Edmund Muskie Democratic 1973-1981
Jim Morrison/ Jerry Brown Democratic 1981-1993
Ralph Nader/Dan Choat Independent 1993-2001
Democratic 2001-2009
Kim Fields/Steve Danner
Mel Carnahan/Joe Bidden Democratic 2013_2017
Republican 2017-2021
Lawrence Zupan /Mike Pence
David Roosevelt /Gary Peters Democratic 2021-
Robert Todd Lincoln/Robert Marion La Follette S. Republican 1913- 1921
def. Woodrow Wilson. Theodore Roosevelt
James M. Cox Franklyn Roosevelt Democratic 1923-1925
def. Warren Harding
Franklyn Roosevelt /Vacant Democratic 1925- 1928
Frank Orren Lowden /Curtis Smith
def. Al Smith Republican 1933- 1937
Franklyn Roosevelt john Nancee garner. Henry Wallace. Harry Truman Democratic 1933_1945
def. Lowden.1932.Landon 36.Wilkie.1940.Dewey 44
Harry S. Truman/ Albert Barkley
Democratic 1945-1953
def. Thomas Dewey
Robert Todd Lincoln Beckwith Richard Nixon Republican 1953-1961
def. Hubert Humphrey 1952. Lyndon Johnson 1956
Richard Nixon/ Henry Cabot lodge
def. Adalie Stevenson Republican 1961-1969
Dewey F. Bartlett /George H. Bush R epublican 1969-1973
def. eugene Mcarthy
Henry "Scoop" Jackson/Edmund Muskie Democratic 1973-1981
Jim Morrison/ Jerry Brown Democratic 1981-1993
Ralph Nader/Dan Choat Independent 1993-2001
Democratic 2001-2009
Kim Fields/Steve Danner
Mel Carnahan/Joe Bidden Democratic 2013_2017
Republican 2017-2021
Lawrence Zupan /Mike Pence
David Roosevelt /Gary Peters Democratic 2021-
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