List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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  1. Gentleman Biaggi Leader of the bisexual agenda

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    Franklin D. Roosevelt/Charles H. Martin (Democratic) 1941-1941
    Charles H. Martin/vacant (Democratic) 1941-1943
    Charles H. Martin/vacant (Independent) 1943-1945[1]
    Def. Wendell Willkie/Charles McNary (Republican)
    Alben Barkley/James Farley (Democratic) 1945-1949
    Alben Barkley/Pat McCarran (Democratic) 1949-1952
    [2]
    Pat McCarran/vacant (Democratic) 1952-1953[3]

    1944 Def. Thomas Dewey/John Bricker (Republican) Phillip LaFollette/Philip Murray (Progressive)
    1948 Def. Robert Taft/Dwight Green (Republican)
    Earl Long/Oscar L. Chapman (Democratic) 1953-1957[4]
    Def. Douglas MacArthur/Walter Judd (Republican)
    Richard Nixon/
    Burton M. Cross (Republican) 1957-1965[5]
    1956 Def. Earl Long/Oscar L. Chapman (Democratic) Melvin E. Thompson/James Eastland (State's Rights)
    1960 Def. John W. Donahey/Robert Wagner Jr. (Democratic)
    Mike Monroney/Thomas A. Burke (Democratic) 1965-1969[6]
    Def. Burton M. Cross/Gerald Ford (Republican) unpledged electors (State's Rights)
    Pat Nixon/Eliot Richardson (Republican) 1969-1971[7]
    Eliot Richardson/vacant (Republican) 1971-1973
    Eliot Richardson/Henry Bellimon (Republican) 1973-1977
    [8]

    1968 Def. Mike Monroney/Thomas A. Burke (Democratic) Orval Faubus/Joseph O. Rodgers Jr. (State's Rights)
    1972 Def. Philip A. Hart/Al Gore Sr. (Democratic)
    Edwin Edwards/Orville Freeman (Democratic) 1977-1979[9]
    Orville Freeman/Russell Long (Democratic) 1979-1980[10]
    Russell Long/Toby Moffett (Democratic) 1980-1981[11]

    Def. Eliot Richardson/Henry Bellimon (Republican)
    Mike Gravel/Jim Thompson (Republican) 1981-1989[12]
    1980 Def. Russell Long/Toby Moffett (Democratic)
    1984 Def. Ernest Hollings/Cliff Finch (Democratic) David Koch/various (Independent)
    Toni Nathan/Dan Quayle (Republican) 1989-1991[13]
    Dan Quayle/vacant (Republican) 1991-1991[14]
    Frank Church/Ted Stevens (Democratic/Republican) 1991-1993[15]

    Def. Al Gore Jr./Dick Lamm (Democratic)
    Russell Long/Mario Biaggi (National Union) 1993-1996[16]
    Mario Biaggi/Ted Stevens (National Union) 1996-1997[17]

    Def. Larry McDonald/James Roosevelt III (Democratic) Gene Burns/Ron Paul (Republican) Lyndon LaRouche/William Crowe (Anti-Corruption Alliance)

    Dick Lamm/Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic) 1997-1998[18]
    Geraldine Ferraro/Les Aspin (Democratic) 1998-2001[19]

    Def. William J. Martini/Jack Gargan (Republican) Mario Biaggi/Pete Wilson (National Union) Gar Alperovitz/Ron Dellums (Commonwealth)
    Jim Traficant/Howard Dean (Democratic) 2001-2005[20]
    Def. Paul Wellstone/Connie Mack III (Republican)
    Ted Stevens/Mitt Romney (Republican) 2005-2005
    [21]
    Mitt Romney/J.C Watts (Republican) 2005-2013[22]
    2004 Def.
    Jim Traficant/Howard Dean (Democratic)
    2008 Def. Howard Dean/Ben Cayetano (Democratic) Glenn Greenwald/Sho Dozono (Independent)
    Hillary Clinton/Mark Ruffalo (Republican) 2013-????[23]
    Def. Bob Wise/Robert Kennedy Jr. (Democratic)


    [1] The administration of Charles Martin is heavily considered by historians to be one of the worst in American history. While he admittedly did fight the Nazis in WWII, he also was a mixture of the worst parts of the Jackson, Wilson, and Roosevelt administrations with few of the upsides. He began Japanese internment, a horrid practice that was even opposed by J. Edgar Hoover, he frequently called for the jailing of dissenters (including two left-wing congressmen, who were jailed), he feuded with the Supreme Court, he rolled out the "Ickes Plan" which heavily hurt minorities and enriched white businessmen in the hands of the state (and caused Ickes to resign), he attacked labor unions, and following the Soviet surrender in WWII, he called Communists a "fifth column" for the Nazis, and then called for a "purge" of communists from the government, also he supported a segregated military, opposed foreign aid, and quietly supported racist acts against minorities, particularly Italians and Japanese who were not interned. It got so bad that Democrats kicked him out of their party in 1943, and a significant group of New Yorkers declared that if Martin were to come to New York he would be "hung by his thumbs". He is saved by his successes in WWII, but even then most historians contribute that to his cabinet.
    [2] Following his election in 1944, Barkley was supposed to pick up the pieces of the Martin administration and the Democratic Party at-large. A narrow victory over Thomas Dewey largely caused by vote splitting lead by the newly-formed Progressive Party. Barkley ended WWII, and caused a major victory for the United States and its allies in 1947. This guaranteed him re-election in 1948, especially with Robert Taft running against him. However, in the interests of uniting the party, Barkley chose Pat McCarran as his running mate in 1948, which caused a minor controversy. Barkley's second term was filled with recession, corruption within the government, and the beginning of the Chinese Civil War, which became a decade-long clusterfuck for the United States. Barkley ignoring racial issues didn't help either, and he died shortly before his term would end in August of 1948.
    [3] Pat McCarran served for not even a year and he's a footnote
    [4] Earl Long was the first of many, many Louisianan presidents, and was the one who's term was not dominated by shit he actually did. Instead Earl Long's term was dominated by war in China and Barkley's recession. His narrow election that hinged on 22 votes in Oregon didn't help, and he was considered illegitimate by many. Still, he did some good. He particularly put aside his personal beliefs on segregation to desegregate the military after being advised by literally everyone to do so, and thus helped the rise of desegregation in the Democratic Party. In the end though, he's only remembered for China and the fact that his vice-president was dragged through the mud for donating $1 to the Spanish government in the Spanish Civil War. He was demolished in 1956.
    [5] Dick Nixon's eight years in office are dominated by retrospect. In retrospect, the nuking of China was a horrid act that shouldn't have happened, at the time Americans supported it because they were tired of seeing their children sent home in body bags, in retrospect, the mild dismantling of the New Deal was a massive mistake, at the time it was seen as an economic revival, in retrospect, Nixon's ignorance of Civil Rights issues is shitty, at the time it was still shitty. Nixon was incredibly popular for his time, as his modest background helped him embody the downtrodden American sick and tired of constant war and rioting from labor unions and, er, um, *******. Sure, he used that image to help his rich friends, and sell out to the south, but still. Nixon was quite possibly the most popular president since Roosevelt, but even then he couldn't help his vice president.
    [6] The 1964 election should've been a Republican landslide, however, Oklahoma Democrat Mike Monroney, a popular senator and former representative swept the nation with his platform of hope. After basically 20 years of negative campaigning, attack ads, and casual racism, many Americans felt refreshed by Monroney's optimism and narrowly elected him over Burton M. Cross. Monroney's term was dominated by the question of civil rights, and he perused a massive civil rights overhaul, passing two Civil Rights Acts and a Voting Rights Act. He also ended the war in China and passed a massive foreign aid bill for China, causing him to be quite popular with the KMT and Chinese public. Still, the passing of the CRAs and VRA caused a civil war within the Democratic Party that lead many Southerners to split. Monroney's chances for re-election seemed slim, especially considering his opponent, Pat Nixon, who was massively popular. Still, his successes are remembered popularly, and he's considered to be in the top tier of presidents.
    [7] Pat Nixon, after being easily elected to the governorship of California in 1966, was easily elected president in 1968. Her time as president was short, but she's remembered as a trailblazer for women's rights in the White House, and frequently fired back at detractors who called her a puppet for her husband. However, much of her administration's goals never came to pass, as she was assassinated in 1971, causing Vice-President Eliot Richardson to follow in her footsteps.
    [8] Eliot Richardson took office as a man trying to reunite his country. With this responsibility, he ended up making massive reforms to the United States government and becoming a true bipartisan figure. His pushes for women's rights activism in the wake of Nixon's death helped him historically, and blowout victories in the 1972 election grew his abilities in congress, and he caused a moderate Republican revolution of sorts. Still, he lost in 1976 due to a recession caused following the break out of the Russian Civil War and instability in Saudi Arabia. Richardson still remains popular, and even managed to win the governorship of Massachusetts in 1978. He returned to national politics under the Gravel administration as Secretary of State, but never ran for president again.
    [9] Edwin Edwards was one of the most hated, despicable, and corrupt presidents who was only saved by Hoover and Martin in the presidential rankings of the 20th century. His failure to asses the economic recession caused massive instability in America, and then it turned out he took a shit ton of bribes, so he was impeached and America lost all faith in government. Not only that, but he refused to go quietly, locking himself and several political allies in the Oval Office with a gun, until he was forcibly removed by the military. Edwards became widely hated and caused the Democratic party to be destroyed
    [10]&[11] Placeholders, although Freeman was assassinated and Long was a very good placeholder.
    [12] While Edwards was despised the American public, Gravel was not for a variety of reasons. He was passionate as hell, and managed to push his way through the Republican Party in 1980, and then destroyed the Democratic party all over the map in the general election. Despite being to the left of his party, he got shit done, creating a massive jobs program, stabilizing the energy market by funding other energy sources, and rooted out corruption in the government. He created a left-wing revolution within the Republican Party, and became one of its defining figures. Still, he did have flaws, as he largely ignored the plight of many Russians during the Russian Civil War.
    [13] Toni Nathan was the Secretary of the Interior under President Gravel, and became his designated successor after Jim Thompson decided against running for president. Nathan's administration was quite controversial, as while she did continue many of Gravel's policies, she also governed as a staunch libertarian, cutting many executive departments powers while simultaneously pushing for an amendment that would overturn Myers v. United States. Nathan's staunch democratic values caused her to push a controversial foreign policy that angered some more dictatorial American allies but also grew America's popularity with allies like the European Federation and the United Republics of China. Still, her most controversial push came in the area of LGBT rights. Nathan had been a large supporter of LGBT rights as a senator, governor, and Secretary of the Interior. She decriminalized same-sex relationships as governor of Oregon and notably stopped "sexuality tests" for department officials that started under Nixon. As president, Nathan allowed for members of the LGBT community to enter the military, but in the process was forced to fire the incumbent Secretary of Defense and Deputy Secretary of Defense to do so. Nathan's own Vice President, Dan Quayle opposed such measures, and considered resigning, but Nathan's death by heart attack caused Quayle to enter office. Nathan's pushes for LGBT rights, democratic foreign policy values, and decision to ignore many War on Drugs policies have caused her presidential stock to rise significantly post-presidency.
    [14] Quayle was a placeholder, but his 2 months in office and death have caused his presidential stock to rise. Quayle symbolized a sort of "Republican Monroney" with his charisma and hope for the future, and was expected to be a popular president. However, a visit to Kansas lead to his death, as a member of the Westboro Baptist Church shot and killed Quayle due to the pro-LGBT policies under Nathan's administration. Quayle was made a martyr by those on the left and the right, and his assassination began a period of instability in the United States.
    [15] Frank Church was the Speaker of the House for eight years before the assassination of Quayle. In another universe he may have been a Gravelite with his advocacy for clean government and many of his policy views being similar to Gravel's, however, Church was an Idaho populist through and through, and with this he was able to hold down Democratic support across the nation with strong support in rural regions along with Democratic cities like Chicago and New York City. As President he did much to stabilize the nation, and is remembered fondly for his pushes for national unity, a good economy in his term, and the official end of the Russian Civil War under his watch.
    [16] Following the instability of the Quayle and Church administrations, former president Russell Long decided to form a "National Union" ticket with Republican Mayor of New York Mario Biaggi. While Biaggi was much closer to the Democratic Party politically, he was a Republican out of the memory of president Martin's anti-Italian rhetoric. The ticket swept the nation, especially as Democrats and Republicans nominated noted radicals. The closest thing to a strong opposition was television billionaire Lyndon LaRouche running on the "Anti-Corruption Alliance" ticket that alleged Long was corrupt. LaRouche polled at almost 40% at one point, but faltered in the campaign due to some of his radical positions and conflict of interest accusations. Long entered office strongly, and the economic boom of a post-Russian Civil War world, with America finally getting some sweet, sweet energy sources out of Russia (despite the growing use of Nuclear and Solar power pushed by Gravel and Church) helped him politically. Long basically governed as a prime minister, passing whatever congress wanted, but as America has grown more libertarian in nature and the congresses of Long's term were quite progressive, that's seen as a plus. The two terms of Long stabilizing things have made him a popular figure, although neither was fully complete, due to Long's death by heart attack in 1996.
    [17] Placeholder, but I love him
    [18] Dick Lamm was only in office for slightly over a year, but in that time he became one of the most controversial figures in the United States. Originally winning in a four-way race, he began his time in office with a bang, by attempting to pass conservative immigration policies and more infamously, the Population Control Act. The PCA was horrendously unpopular, hated by members of both parties (and the few members of the National Union and Commonwealth Parties with congressional representation). It was destroyed in congress by a coalition of people who disliked its pro-abortion and sex ed views, people who disliked its intrusion on American life, and people who read the name of the Act and rightly thought it was horrid. Lamm would then have icy relations with congress, which culminated in his impeachment in 1998 for controversial comments in a speech many people found racist towards Mexican immigrants. The impeachment was clearly politically motivated, and the portrayal of that in Democratic media caused many Democratic voters to see Lamm as a martyr. This lead to Democrats actually gaining seats in congress despite Lamm's impeachment. While many still opposed the PCA, Lamm's martyrship was more over his conservative positions on immigration. Lamm has become increasingly unpopular with his history of bad public appearances and many revisiting his administration and the negative incidents it caused.
    [19] Ferraro took office following the Lamm administration and was expected to stabilize things. Instead her poor relationship with congress and inability to handle increasingly radical members of her own party caused her downfall. The economy hurting after years of success didn't help, and Ferraro became the first incumbent president since the 19th century to lose re-nomination.
    [20] In 2000, Jim Traficant took over his party in a wave of anger over Lamm's impeachment, a bad economy, and general instability. He won over Republican senator Paul Wellstone in a surprise victory and he channeled America's anger like no politician other than Richard Nixon had. Traficant can best be described as a "less crazy, more successful Dick Lamm", passing several acts restricting immigration, improving the economy, and generally being the first successful conservative Democrat president since Earl Long. Despite his conservatism, he never messed with LGBT rights as president which helped his reputation. Strangely despite Traficant's past as a star quarterback, chaotic style, and ability to tap into anger, he's remembered as a middle-of-the-road president, as he didn't accomplish much that directly impacted Americans, but he also wasn't horrible.
    [21] Ted Stevens was a placeholder, but he's remembered fondly for his time as Vice-President in two popular administrations.
    [22] Mitt Romney was an interesting president. His administration was the first since Gravel's to serve two terms, and his pushes for LGBT and women's rights have become increasingly popular to this day. The good economy of his administration is still remembered to this day, but his biggest accomplishment was forging a deal between Israel and the United Arab Republic, which made him incredibly popular as a
    negotiator. Still, as his administration is very recent and most Americans remember his economy more than his accomplishments, it will take some time to see if people in the future see him as such a good president.
    [23] Incumbent president, full summary pending.
     
  2. redjirachi Well-Known Member

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    The Assistant Becomes The President

    McKinley and Hobart swap their medical conditions. Hobart avoids heart problems, but McKinley gets sick and dies. Though later than OTL Hobart

    25(first term): William McKinley*/Garret Hobart(March 4 1897-November 28 1900)
    -Election of 1900: William McKinley/Garret Hobart(Republican) vs William Jennings Bryan/Charles A Towne(Democrat)
    26(first term): Garret Hobart(November 28 1900-March 4 1901)
    26(second term): Garret Hobart(March 4 1901-March 4 1905)
    -Election of 1904: Garret Hobart/Robert R Hill(Republican) vs Francis Cockrell/Henry G Davis(Democrat)
    27(first term): Francis Cockrell/Henry G Davis(March 4 1905-March 4 1909)
    -Election of 1908: Francis Cockrell/Clark Howell(Democrat) vs Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican) vs Henry C Wallace/Samuel Williams(Populist)
    28(first term): Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(March 4 1909-March 4 1913)
    -Election of 1912: Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican) vs William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(Democrat)
    29(first term): William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(March 4 1913-March 4 1917)
    -Election of 1916: William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt/George L Sheldon(Republican) vs Eugene Debs/Emil Seidel(Socialist)
    29(second term): William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(March 4 1917-March 4 1921)
    -Election of 1920: Thomas R Marshall/Oscar Underwood(Democrat) vs George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(Republican)
    30(first term): George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(March 4 1921-March 4 1925)
    -Election of 1924: George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(Republican) vs Oscar Underwood/John W Davis(Democrat)
    30(second term): George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(March 4 1925-March 4 1929)

    Abridged list
    • 25: William McKinley*/Garret Hobart(1897-1900)
    • 26: Garret Hobart(1900-1905)
    • 27: Francis Cockrell/Henry G Davis(1905-1909)
    • 28: Robert M.La Follette/Charles W Fairbanks(1909-1913)
    • 29: William Jennings Bryan/Oscar Underwood(1913-1921)
    • 30: George L Sheldon/Calvin Coolidge(1921-1929)
     
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  3. Marse Lee Well-Known Member

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    I've always wondered how a Hobart presidency might have been had he lived and McKinley still died. I wonder if anyone has ever done a TL on that idea.
     
  4. THeaven I am the Watcher

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    Presidents on Film: Dave
    George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle (1988-1992)

    Def..Mike Dukakis/Lloyd Benson
    William Mitchell*/Gary Nance (1992-1993)
    Def..George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle
    Def..Ross Perot/James Stockdale
    Gary Nance/Vacant (1993)
    Gary Nance/Christopher Dodd (1993-2000)

    Def..Bob Dole/Jack Kemp
    Def..Ross Perot/Pat Choate
    Christopher Dodd/Al Gore (2000-2004)
    Def..George W Bush/Dick Cheney
    John McCain/John Engler (2004-2012)
    Def..Christopher Dodd/Al Gore
    Def..John Kerry/ Barack Obama

    Helen Kovic*/Alan Reed (2012-2020)
    Def..Mitt Romney/Sarah Palin
    Def..Jeb Bush/Paul Ryan

    * President Mitchell died in office after a series brain hemorrhages.
    *fun fact President Korvic is the Widow to Former President Mitchell
     
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  5. theev Suede-Denim Secret Police

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    Not quite. Not a Biden fan but the southern democrats of old are Republicans.
     
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  6. redjirachi Well-Known Member

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    A Bull Elephant

    T.R decides to contain his ego and doesn't run against Taft in 1912. Or more accurately he predicts the rift it'd create. Of course, his ego is still strong enough to run in 1916.

    27(first term): William Howard Taft(March 4 1909-March 4 1913)/James S Sherman*(March 4 1909-October 30 1912)
    -Election of 1912: William H Taft/James S Sherman*, Nicholas M Butler(Republican) vs Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(Democrat) vs Eugene V Debs/Emil Seidel(Socialist)
    28(first term): Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(March 4 1913-March 4 1917)
    -Election of 1916: Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt/William Borah(Republican)
    29(third term): Theodore Roosevelt/William Borah(March 4 1917-March 4 1921)
    -Election of 1920: Hiram Johnson/Calvin Coolidge(Republican) vs James M Cox/Oscar Underwood(Democrat)
    30(first term): Hiram Johnson(March 4 1921-March 4 1925)/Calvin Coolidge(March 4 1921-October 3 1923)-Coolidge and the conservative faction have a falling out, and he quits his job Calhoun style
    -Election of 1924: Hiram Johnson/William Borah(Progressive Republican) vs Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover(Conservative Republican) vs James M Cox/George L Berry(Democrat)
    31(first term): James M Cox/George L Berry(March 4 1925-March 4 1929)
    -Election of 1928: James M Cox/Cordell Hull(Democrat) vs Charles Curtis/Herman Ekern(Republican) vs William Z Foster/Benjamin Gitlow(Communist)
    31(second term): James M Cox/Cordell Hull(March 4 1929-March 4 1933)

    Abridged list
    • 25: William McKinley**(1897-1901)/Garret Hobart*(1897-1899), Theodore Roosevelt(1901)
    • 26/29: Theodore Roosevelt(1901-1909, 1917-1921), Charles W Fairbanks(1905-1909),
    • 27: William H Taft(1909-1913)/James S Sherman*(1909-1912)
    • 28: Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R Marshall(1913-1917)
    • 30: Hiram Johnson(1921-1925)/Calvin Coolidge(1921-1923)
    • 31: James M Cox(1925-1933)/George L Berry(1925-1929), Cordell Hull(1929-1933)

    I Am Not My Father

    Arthur is renominated and re-elected, with loyal Robert Lincoln as his VP. Unfortunately Arthur was lying about his health.

    21(first term): Chester A Arthur(September 19 1881-March 4 1885)
    -Election of 1884: Chester A Arthur/Robert T Lincoln(Republican) vs Grover Cleveland/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat)
    21(second term): Chester A Arthur*/Robert T Lincoln(March 4 1885-November 18 1886)
    22(first term): Robert T Lincoln(November 18 1886-March 4 1889)
    -Election of 1888: Benjamin Harrison/William W Phelps(Republican) vs Samuel J Randall/(Democrat)
    23(first term): Samuel J Randall*/Adlai Stevenson I(March 4 1889-April 13 1890)
    24(first term): Adlai Stevenson I(April 13 1890-March 4 1893)
    -Election of 1892: Adlai Stevenson I/William Bourke Cockran(Democrat) vs John Sherman/Whitelaw Reid(Republican)
    24(second term): Adlai Stevenson I/William Bourke Cockran(March 4 1893-March 4 1897)
    -Election of 1896: Horace Boies/Walter Clark(Democrat) vs Robert T Lincoln/Frederick D Grant(Republican)
    25(second term): Robert T Lincoln/Frederick D Grant(March 4 1897-March 4 1901)
    -Election of 1900: Thomas Brackett Read/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican) vs Nelson A Miles/George Turner
    26(first term): Nelson A Miles/George Turner(March 4 1901-March 4 1905)
    -Election of 1904: Nelson A Miles/George Turner(Democrat) vs Joseph B Foraker/George L Sheldon(Republican)
    26(second term): Nelson A Miles/George Turner(March 4 1905-March 4 1909)

    Abridged list
    • 20: James A Garfield**/Chester A Arthur(1881)
    • 21: Chester A Arthur*(1881-1886)/Robert T Lincoln(1885-1886)
    • 22/25: Robert T Lincoln(1886-1889, 1897-1901)/Frederick T Grant(1897-1901)
    • 23: Samuel J Randall*/Adlai Stevenson I(1889-1890)
    • 24: Adlai Stevenson I(1890-1897)/William B Cockran(1893-1897)
    • 26: Nelson A Miles/George Turner(1901-1909)
     
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  7. claybaskit Well-Known Member

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    A Century of Lincolns And Roosevelts

    Robert Todd Lincoln/Robert Marion La Follette S. Republican 1913- 1921
    def. Woodrow Wilson. Theodore Roosevelt

    James M. Cox Franklyn Roosevelt Democratic 1923-1925
    def. Warren Harding

    Franklyn Roosevelt /Vacant Democratic 1925- 1928




    Frank Orren Lowden /Curtis Smith
    def. Al Smith Republican 1933- 1937




    Franklyn Roosevelt john Nancee garner. Henry Wallace. Harry Truman Democratic 1933_1945


    def. Lowden.1932.Landon 36.Wilkie.1940.Dewey 44

    Harry S. Truman/ Albert Barkley
    Democratic 1945-1953
    def. Thomas Dewey



    Robert Todd Lincoln Beckwith Richard Nixon Republican 1953-1961

    def. Hubert Humphrey 1952. Lyndon Johnson 1956

    Richard Nixon/ Henry Cabot lodge
    def. Adalie Stevenson Republican 1961-1969




    Dewey F. Bartlett /George H. Bush R epublican 1969-1973

    def. eugene Mcarthy


    Henry "Scoop" Jackson/Edmund Muskie Democratic 1973-1981



    Jim Morrison/ Jerry Brown Democratic 1981-1993




    Ralph Nader/Dan Choat Independent 1993-2001


    Democratic 2001-2009


    Kim Fields/Steve Danner



    Mel Carnahan/Joe Bidden Democratic 2013_2017


    Republican 2017-2021

    Lawrence Zupan /Mike Pence


    David Roosevelt /Gary Peters Democratic 2021-
     
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  8. Wolfram Fair to middlin'

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    The Greatest Honor History Can Bestow...
    [Part 1 of an ongoing series]

    1969-1971: Richard M. Nixon ✞/Spiro T. Agnew (Republican) [1]
    '68 def. Hubert H. Humphrey/Edmund S. Muskie (Democratic), George C. Wallace/Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
    1971-1971: Spiro T. Agnew/Vacant (Republican)
    1971-1975: Spiro T. Agnew */John G. Tower (Republican) [2]
    '72 def. Edmund S. Muskie/Daniel K. Inouye (Democratic), John Lindsay/scattered (Independent Republican)
    1975-1975: John G. Tower/Vacant (Republican)
    1975-1976: John G. Tower •/Melvin R. Laird (Republican) [3]
    1976-1976: Melvin R. Laird/Vacant (Republican)
    1976-1977: Melvin R. Laird (Republican)/Ellsworth Bunker (Independent) [4]​
    1977-1981: Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr./James E. Carter (Democratic) [5]
    '76 def. Melvin R. Laird/George H. W. Bush (Republican), Wally Hickel/Pete McCloskey (Independent Republican)

    [1] Before Richard M. Nixon's tragic death, commentators spoke of the death of John F. Kennedy as a watershed moment, a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
    The two certainly had a lot of similarities beyond both running in the 1960 election. Both were big dreamers who left behind unfinished legacies - Kennedy with civil rights and the space program, Nixon with ending the Vietnam War, getting the economy on track, and ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment. Both of them were ready young, with Nixon being elected to the Vice Presidency at 39 and Kennedy being elected to the Presidency at 43. Both of them fought adversity on their way, Kennedy with his health problems and the headwinds of anti-Catholic prejudice and Nixon with his family's modest means. Both of them were staunch anti-communists, foreign policy wonks, strong politicians.
    Both of them died tragically, Kennedy shot dead in a Dallas motorcade and Nixon bleeding out on a Bethesda operating table as doctors tried to remove a clot from the President's left leg, a consequence of his chronic phlebitis. Both of them left behind the image of a martyr - Kennedy shot dead by a Communist and Nixon refusing to seek medical attention as he fought to see peace in Vietnam, détente with China and the Soviet Union, and prosperity at home - even as later historians re-evaluate their legacies. Both left tricky situations for their successors, Kennedy with Vietnam and civil rights and Nixon with both of those same things and an economic crisis atop them.
    It would be reductionist to call Richard Nixon the Republican Jack Kennedy. But it wouldn't exactly be wrong.

    [2] But Spiro Agnew was certainly no Lyndon Johnson. His presidency was white lower-middle-class alienation made manifest, the backlash to the civil rights movement and the welfare state in the hands of a genuine believer rather than someone like Nixon, who wanted to use that anger but didn't share the motives of his voters. Agnew neutered the EPA Nixon had established, closed off the possibility of détente and a Presidential visit to China, tore up plans for desegregation, and tried in vain to stabilize the dollar and keep the good economy of the '60s running into the era of balance-of-payments issues and the Nixon shock. But none of it worked, not really. As the President went into the 1972 election, with Ed Muskie well ahead of him in every poll and Pete McCloskey looking like Agnew's Gene McCarthy (they even sounded similar), a man from the Committee to Re-Elect the President came to his office.
    In the end, it wasn't Vietnam that brought Agnew down, with Vietnamization coming at the cost of thousands or millions dead in bombing campaigns and famine and the collapse of the rickety dictatorship that was South Vietnam as the President blocked refugees to save American jobs. It wasn't stagflation, the two-headed giant that stomped on the American economy and destroyed jobs and regional economies even despite Agnew's genuine efforts, causing poverty and crime and sickness and death. It wasn't the bribes he took in Maryland or in Washington, or even the blackmailed journalists courtesy of CREEP and the Plumbers who covered them up. It wasn't the subversion of the Muskie campaign or the engineered shambles of the Lindsay campaign.
    No, it was Greece. Agnew hadn't started the Papadopoulos dictatorship, but even under Nixon he had openly supported it and met with its leaders. And when he became President, he backed Papadopoulos - until he seemed weak, at which point he backed a coup against him, "like Kennedy did to Diem". And after all the blood - of the students of Greece's universities, of the purged naval officers, of the dissidents and poets hauled into the police headquarters on Bouboulina Street and the ESA facilities - America had enough, especially after Vietnam.
    Mark Hatfield and George McGovern got together again to put forward another resolution demanding the US get out of Greece. When Agnew blithely ignored it, Congress dusted off the articles of impeachment left from Wright Patman's failed attempt. Agnew fought to the bitter end, but only served to alienate more and more of his former supporters. In the end, he did go quietly.

    [3] The Presidency of John Tower was a curious one. One of the earliest Republicans in the South to reach high office, and one of the few Southern politicians of his generation not to openly race-bait - but also a key opponent of the Civil Rights Act. An intellectual, who came from academia and brought Savile Row suits and a thoroughgoing Anglophilia with him from the London School of Economics.
    But by 1975, he was less well-known for his record, an undistinguished one of conservatism and support for more military spending, and better-known for his slow collapse over the course of his Vice Presidency, turning to drink and perhaps to corruption. Maybe it started with the divorce. Or maybe the pressure of knowing that history would not regard Spiro Agnew's #2 well got to him. But by the time he was inaugurated, John Tower was not considered a respectable enough figure to steer the ship of state through the impeachment of a sitting president.
    Many people wanted him to resign immediately. Tower himself, perhaps, wanted to resign immediately. But that would have put Tip O'Neill, the Speaker who leapfrogged over Carl Albert and Hale Boggs to win his office specifically promising to impeach Agnew, in office. And to a restive nation and a party afraid that Agnew would start hollering about a coup, making O'Neill or the Democrats who supported him look like it was a simple matter of self-interest or a partisan power-grab was simply not acceptable.
    So over the winter of 1975 - as the Ioannides regime retrenched in the hopes of becoming "Franco on the Aegean", as a Falangist coup against the new King of Spain devolved into another Civil War, as Indira Gandhi's seizure of power in India came to a bloody end and the alliance of convenience between traditionalists and Marxists had to be negotiated, as Chairman Mao's health declined more and more - the government of the United States was focused on negotiating an end to its own crisis of leadership.

    [4] Melvin Laird was not the top choice to resolve those problems. Secretary of Defense under Nixon and part of Agnew's term, he had backed the Agnew Doctrine, though he had chosen to leave the Cabinet after the 1972 election. But he was a Nixonite without the baggage of most other Nixonites, and that seemed to count for something at least.
    His presidency was one focused on putting out fires. The Spanish debacle saw American recognition of the royalists - any Americans concerned about the lack of democracy were mollified by the fact that the other options were Francoites and Marxists - but no direct aid, and pressure more towards bringing the parties to the negotiating table than anything else. Such was the Laird Doctrine, and it paid dividends - Nixon's old Secretary of State, William P. Rogers, became a national hero in Namibia for brokering South African recognition and withdrawal in the São Paulo Accords, while the Chinese leadership crisis ended with no aggressive actions, at the very least. Some saw the hand of the CIA in the new Indian constitution, with the Hindustani Federation built on nationalist and liberal lines and little influence from Sundarayya's input, but open intervention (or even the hint thereof) was out of style.
    It seemed like that would be it for the Laird administration, and for the Republican Party's 8-year spell in government. Laird had ruled out running for the nomination, and after a spirited campaign, another Nixon loyalist who had gotten out while the going was good - former Texas Governor and "Democrat for Nixon" John Connally - was in the hot seat. After Agnew and Tower, Connally was considered the inevitable loser, but he was likely to at least give a respectable performance. Immediately to his left was Wally Hickel, yet another former Cabinet member but one who had resigned in protest even before Nixon's death, running as an "Independent Republican" to return the party to its Eisenhowerian roots - his running mate was former primary candidate Pete McCloskey, fired up enough by Agnew's abuses of power to run against him in '72 and ratfucked out of his House seat in retaliation only to come back as an independent two years later. And next over from there was Arthur Schlesinger, already the anointed inevitable 41st President, the court historian of Camelot who ran as a sort of appeal to the better angels of the American nature, or of the heavenly choir of public opinion that, in Schattschneider's immortal words, "sings with a prominent upper-class accent." It was all laid out so neatly - Laird would retire as a statesman without having to seek approval from the voters or spend time campaigning, and American politics would return to normalcy.
    Except that Connally went down over milk money (of all the things), and the Republican National Convention nominated Laird after a messy panic. As Laird criss-crossed the country - on a reversion-to-the-mean economic bounce from the Agnew years, and looking into a bright future. Laird could almost believe he would win.

    [5] But instead, it was Arthur Schlesinger. A historian and the son of a historian, the dorky-looking academic and critic of the "imperial presidency" seemed like a safe pair of hands. On a platform of making the United States less of a hegemon and more the "first among equals" of the free world through diplomacy and trade, of bringing about peace at the home front through a renewed War on Poverty, of pushing to bring minorities into a common American identity through demanding both tolerance from the majority and assimilation from minorities, of stopping the inflationary spiral that was just beginning in 1976, and most of all of bringing the power of the Presidency under control, Schlesinger won a solid majority of the popular vote and a borderline landslide in the Electoral College.
    How did it go so wrong? Part of it was Schlesinger's inexperience with government. He had seen it, but from the outside, and he staffed his administration primarily with academics - though sometimes, as with Secretary of the Treasury John Kenneth Galbraith, they turned out to be competent and on-the-ball, other times that very much did not happen, as with Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Lewis Mumford. Often the flaw was not merely that the academics were out of touch but that they sought to fit humans into their models rather than fitting the models against actual humans - new Secretary of Energy Alvin Weinberg, in alliance with Vice President Jimmy Carter, responded to the outcry over nuclear power after a partial meltdown at the Donald C. Cook Nuclear Plant near South Bend, Indiana, by pushing to make nuclear construction less subject to public pressure.
    And often the problem was conventional wisdom. "Schlesinger", a later historian wrote, "had seemingly come to the conclusion, after decades of studying government, that the possibilities of government were limited to a really quite narrow space." He talked a big game about peace abroad, but when the Republican Party quietly torpedoed negotiations over the Panama Canal, he let Richard Holbrooke talk him into an unexpectedly bloody and contentious "intervention" there aimed at deposing Roberto Díaz. He talked about a renewed War on Poverty, but that turned out to largely just mean tax credits on new housing and more funding for school lunches. And the only part of his cultural agenda that passed, restricting immigration, was the only part palatable to the right wing.
    It was no surprise that Noam Chomsky, who had been criticizing Schlesinger for a decade and a half, announced he would be running as a third-party candidate. It wasn't much of one when Frank Church announced a primary run against Schlesinger - Church had been a critic of the administration ever since it had become clear how many of Schlesinger's promises were hollow. When Ted Kennedy very pointedly refused to endorse Schlesinger's re-election, that raised a few eyebrows. Then Church nearly won the primary in New Hampshire and did win the primary in Wisconsin, then Schlesinger didn't clinch the nomination until Pennsylvania against Church and a last-minute push by former Texas governor Ben Barnes. The campaign rallied a little after the conventions - Schlesinger defeated his robotic opposite number, Illinois Senator Donald Rumsfeld, there, and then even received a bit of an October Surprise when a memorandum from Rumsfeld's service in Treasury under Laird surfaced in which he plotted to deliberately overheat the economy to try to win the 1976 election.
    It wasn't enough, not nearly. Schlesinger hadn't even won his first state before crucial victories in Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New York pushed Rumsfeld over the edge - in the end, he was limited to Minnesota, Hawaii, and DC. But the final ignominy came when the Electoral College voted. Thanks to a shock win by Noam Chomsky in Massachusetts and two faithless electors in Hawaii, Schlesinger didn't even have the honor of placing second in the electoral vote.
     
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  9. theev Suede-Denim Secret Police

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    I love Schlesinger but I really love this tragic portrayal of him. This is like the "JFK as a despised drug-addicted leader who can't get anything done" portrayal but for political intellectuals.
     
  10. Catalunya Well-Known Member

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    This list may be the best I have seen on here in more than a year.
     
  11. EYates Member

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    Prime ministers of USA

    During the war of Independence the Patriots lose. As a result a Dominion is set up with a PM to prevent another Revolution

    1784-1810: William Franklin (R)
    1810-1816: Edmund Fanning (Def)
    1816-1824: Henry Clay (NSRE)
    1824-1832: John W. Taylor (NSRE)
    1832-1844: John C. Calhoun (NSRE)
    1844-1848: John Davis (Def)
    1848-1852: Meredith P. Gentry (NSRE)
    1852-1864: William A. Richardson (NSRE)
    1864-1872: Schuyler Colfax (NSRE)
    1872-1876: James G. Blaine (Def)
    1876-1880: Samuel J. Randall (Def)
    1880-1884: Joseph W. Keifer (Def)
    1884-1890: John G. Carlisle (R)
    1890-1896: Charles F. Crisp (Def)
    1896-1906: John C. Bell (R)
    1906-1912: Joseph G. Cannon (NSRE)
    1912-1920: Champ Clark (Def)
    1920-1924: Frederick H. Gillett (NSRE)
    1924-1928: Finis J. Garrett (NSRE)
    1928-1932: Bertrand Snell (Def)
    1932-1945: John Nance Garner (R)
    1945-1948: Henry A. Wallace (Def)
    1948-1956: Joseph W. Martin Jr. (Def)
    1956-1961: Sam Rayburn (D)
    1961-1964: Lyndon B. Johnson (Def)
    1964-1980: Gerald Ford (Def)
    1980-1987: Tip O’Neill (R)
    1987-1992: Jim Wright (Def)
    1992-2000: Jerry Lewis (Def)
    2000-2004: Nancy Pelosi (Def)
    2004-2008: Eric Cantor (Def)
    2008-Present: Bernie Sanders


    Key:
    Tory (3) (44)
    Whig (3) (20)
    Conservative (12) (84)

    Liberal (8) (44)
    Labor (5) (32)
    Progressive (1) (11+)
    R-resigned
    NSRE- not standing for re election
    Def- defeated
    D- died
     
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  12. SuperFrog Canadian at Heart

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    Here's a fun one

    Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/John Lance Garner(D-TX) 1933-1941
    Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA) 1941-1945
    Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA)/Vacant 1945-1949
    Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA)/Harry S. Truman (D-MO) 1949-1953

    Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (D-MA)/Dwight D. Eisenhower (I-KS) 1953-1961
    John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) 1961-1965
    John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/
    Stephen E. Smith (I-NY) 1965-1969

    Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/Sargent Shriver (D-MD) 1969-1977
    Ted Kennedy (D-MA)/Jacqueline Kennedy (D-NY) 1977-1985
    Jacqueline Kennedy (D-NY)/ Kathleen Townsend (D-MD) 1985-1989
    Kathleen Townsend (D-MD)/Bobby Shriver (D-CA) 1989-1997
    Joseph P. Kennedy II (D-MA)/P. J. Kennedy (D-RI) 1997-2005
    Mark Shriver (D-MD)/Ted Kennedy Jr. (D-MA) 2005-2013
    Caroline Kennedy (D-NY)/Christopher Kennedy (D-IL) 2013-2021
    Joseph P. Kennedy III (D-MA)/William K. Smith (D-DC)
     
  13. Leon Trotsky Well-Known Member

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    Replace that racist pro-lobotomy SOB Joe Sr. with Henry Wallace and this is my ideal timeline.
     
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  14. CapitalistHippie Stassen 2020

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    I think the whole point is eternal Kennedy White House though.
     
  15. redjirachi Well-Known Member

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    Funny how people love Jack and Bobby but hate his dad. I'm seeing why he never ran for president IOTL

    President Nancy And VP Fancy

    POD is that Fillmore gets the nomination. Guessing this could be called "The Power Couple Presidency". As Buchanan is more emblematic of the problem of the time(namely "let's push the issue of slavery down the road") things aren't much different

    13(first term): Millard Fillmore(July 9 1850-March 4 1853)
    -Election of 1852: Millard Fillmore/William A Graham(Whig) vs James Buchanan/William Rufus King(Democrat)[1]
    14(first term): James Buchanan/William R King(March 4 1853-March 4 1857)[2]
    -Election of 1856: John A Quitman/Trusten Polk(Democrat) vs John C Fremont/Abraham Lincoln(Republican) vs Millard Fillmore/Andrew J Donelson(American)[3]
    15(second term): Millard Fillmore**/Abraham Lincoln(March 4 1857-August 12 1859)[4]
    16(first term): Abraham Lincoln(August 12 1859-March 4 1861)
    -Election of 1860: Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson vs Stephen Douglas/Benjamin Wade(Unionist)[5]
    16(second term): Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson(March 4 1861-March 4 1865)
    -Election of 1864: Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson vs John C Fremont/Daniel W Vorhees(Unionist)
    16(third term): Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson(March 4 1865-March 4 1869)
    -Election of 1868: Andrew Johnson/Sanford E Church(Unionist/Democrat) vs Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(Independent/Republican)[6]
    17(first term): Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(March 4 1869-March 4 1873)
    -Election of 1872: Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(Independent/Republican) vs Benjamin Wade/Thomas A Hendricks(Consolidation Party)
    17(second term): Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(March 4 1873-March 4 1877)[7]
    -Election of 1876: Roscoe Conkling/William A Wheeler(Republican) vs Samuel Tilden/Theodore Roosevelt Sr(Democrat) vs Green Clay Smith/Benjamin Pierce(Temperance)[8]
    18(first term): Roscoe Conkling/William A Wheeler(March 4 1877-March 4 1881)
    -Election of 1880: Roscoe Conkling/Levi P Morton(Republican) vs Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(Democrat/Temperance)
    19(first term): Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(March 4 1881-March 4 1885)[9]
    -Election of 1884: Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(Democrat/Temperance) vs Robert T Lincoln/Benjamin Harrison(Republican) vs Theodore Roosevelt/Edward Cooper(Independent)[9]
    19(second term): Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(March 4 1885-March 4 1889)

    [1]Because of the butterfly effect, King never gets tuberculosis
    [2]Buchanan lets the Kansas-Nebraska Act pass because "guys, we can't be confrontational", and he is remembered as a toothless president
    [3]Buchanan wasn't brought down by his usual faults, but by the corruption in his cabinet. Still, he doggedly held onto the nomination, warring with Stephen Douglas. Unfortunately this led to a radical fire-eater, Quitman, getting the nomination. And the Republicans opened with a radical of their own. The argument of "lesser of two evils" led to HR deciding the best option. Unfortunately, they never found it
    [4]Fillmore was the first ever member of a third party to become president, though through HR and being considered the safest candidate. Lincoln was moved to being his VP. Fillmore, having come to regret the Compromise of 1850, went out to suss the situation and "try to repair what was broken". It never panned out as there was no stopping the boiling civil war. Fillmore's assassination by Southerners was the straw that broke the camel's back, and it made Lincoln the president
    [5]In blood and war, the loyal Democrats and Republicans folded into one party-the Unionist. However they weren't sure who should be their pick. For the first time since 1824, it was a one-party race. Lincoln and loyal Johnson, Douglas and passionate Wade. Ultimately, Lincoln managed to get a term of his own
    [6]Soaring high from seeing the Union win the Civil War, Lincoln managed to be elected for a third term, though would insist "it still counts in the spirit of Washington, given I was only elected twice". Johnson, despite butting heads with many politicians, proved a popular and symbolic VP, and was chosen as the next president. He narrowly lost to Joseph Hooker
    [7]OOC-I chose Hooker for an alternate famed general to Grant. Also, his alleged predilection to...well, amuses me. Wilson doesn't get his stroke that killed him
    [8]OOC-Franklin Pierce's son. ITTL he never dies and Franklin keeps to his dry status, eventually becoming a notable prohibition figure. Conkling becomes quite the machinator as president.
    [9]Pierce was a darkhorse who, party-wise, was important in both restoring the two party system while also establishing a new agent-add the influence of third parties. Best seen with Hayes. Him and Hayes were prohibitionists, pushed by their parents and sister respectively.
    [10]No, not the one you know. It's his father, who pulls a 19th century Ross Perot. With the POD being when Robert was like 10, he actually became interested in politics

    Abridged list
    • 12: Zachary Taylor*/Millard Fillmore(1849-1850)
    • 13/15: Millard Fillmore**(1850-1853, 1857-1859)/Abraham Lincoln(1857-1859)
    • 14: James Buchanan/William R King(1853-1857)
    • 16: Abraham Lincoln(1859-1869)/Andrew Johnson(1861-1869)
    • 17: Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(1869-1877)
    • 18: Roscoe Conkling/William A Wheeler(1877-1881)
    • 19: Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(1881-1889)
    Grey-black is Independent, Purple is Unionist(combination of red and blue, symbolic), Temperance is clear blue(as in water over alcohol)
     
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  16. Leon Trotsky Well-Known Member

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    He rendered his own daughter Rosemary permanently and severely incapacitated for the rest of her life after she underwent a pseudoscientific procedure. Of course we hate that guy.
     
  17. bobby501 Well-Known Member

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    1933-1945: Fiorello H. La Guardia (Republican)
    1945-1953: Forrest C. Donnell (Republican)

    1953-1961: George Marshall (Democratic)
    1961-1963: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
    1963-1969: John Connally (Republican)

    1969-1974: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
    1974-1977: John W. McCormack (Democratic)

    1977-1981: James B. Edwards (Republican)
    1981-1989: Robert Redford (Democratic)
    1989-1993: Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)

    1993-2001: Mike Huckabee (Republican)
    2001-2009: Jerry Brown (Democratic)
    2009-2017: J. C. Watts (Republican)

    Probably quite obvious what I'm attempting. Would be delving into current politics if it went any further. :)
     
  18. redjirachi Well-Known Member

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    I mean besides that, since that goes without saying
     
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  19. THeaven I am the Watcher

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    Presidents on film: The American President
    George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle (1988-1992)
    Def..Mike Dukakis/Lloyd Benson
    Andrew Shepherd/Ben Nelson (1992-2000)
    Def..George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle
    Ross Perot/John Stockdale
    Def..Bob Rumsom/Alan Keyes
    Ross Perot/Pat Choate
    George W Bush/Colin Powell ( 2000-2004)
    Def..Ben Nelson/Dick Gerhardt
    Def..Al Gore/Ralph Nader
    Bill Clinton/Wesley Clark (2004-2012)
    Def..George W Bush/Dick Cheney *
    Def..John McCain/Rudy Giuliani

    Wesley Clark/Barack Obama (2012-2016)
    Def.. Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan
    Donald Trump/Sarah Pailin (2016- Present)
    Def. .Wesley Clark/Barack Obama

    Reform Party
    Green Party
    * Vice President Colin Powell declined to run for reelection and Dick Cheney was appointed as his replacement
     
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  20. EYates Member

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    Presidents and Prime Ministers of the UK

    During the 30s their was a fascist revolution as a result the uk was facist until the 80s.

    Chairman (Facist Dictatorship)
    1934-1980: Oswald Mosley (D)
    1980-1981: Harold Soref

    President (every 6 years):
    1981-1987: Roy Jenkins
    1987-1993: David Owen
    1993-1999: Alan Beith
    1999-2005: John Prescott
    2005-2011: Hilary Benn
    2011-2017: Michael Ancram (Conservative)
    2017-Present: Justine Greening (Unionist)


    Prime minister of the United Kingdom (every 4 years):
    1981-1987: David Owen (R)
    1987-1993: Shirley Williams (Def)
    1993-2000: Paddy Ashdown (R)
    2000-2005: Charles Kennedy (Def)
    2005-2008: Margaret Beckett (R)
    2008-2009: Jack Straw (Def)
    2009-2013: Vince Cable (Def)
    2013-2016: Theresa May (Unionist) (R)
    2016-Present: Sajid Javid (Conservative)


    Leader of the Senate (quarter up every year):
    1981-1985:
    Robert Maclennan (Def)
    1985-1988: John Pardoe (Def)
    1988-1991: Robert Maclennan (Def)
    1991-1992: Alan Beith (R)
    1992-1995: Malcolm Bruce (Def)
    1995-2001: Tony Benn (Def)
    2001-2006: Simon Hughes (Def)
    2006-2009: Alan Johnson (Def)
    2009-2011: Simon Hughes (Def)
    2011-2017: Alan Duncan (Conservative) (R)
    2017-Present: Theresa Villiers (Conservative)


    First Minister of England (every 4 years):
    1983-1991:
    Cyril Smith (NSRE)
    1991-1995: Matthew Taylor (Def)
    1995-2001: Bryan Gould (R)
    2001-2011: Roy Hattersley (Def)
    2011-2019: Kenneth Clarke (Unionist) (NSRE)
    2019-Present: Jeremy Hunt (Conservative)


    First Minister of Scotland (every 4 years):
    1983-1987:
    Dickson Mabon (Def)
    1987-1995: David Steel (NSRE)
    1995-2000: Donald Dewar (D)
    2000-2001: Henry McLeish (R)
    2001-2003: Jack McConnell (Def)
    2003-2007: Nicol Stephen (Def)
    2007-2011: Alex Salmond (Def)
    2011-2014: Johann Lamont (R)
    2014-2017: Kezia Dugdale (R)
    2017-2019: Richard Leonard (Def)
    2019-Present: Ruth Davidson (Unionist)


    First Minister of Wales (Every 4 Years):
    1983-1989:
    Jeffrey Thomas (D)
    1989-1991: Ednyfed Hudson Davies (NSRE)
    1991-1998: Ron Davies (R)
    1998-2008: Rhodes Morgan (R)
    2008-2011: Carwyn Jones (Def)
    2011-2015: Kirsty Williams (Def)
    2015-Present: Edwina Hart


    First Minister of Northern Ireland (every 4 years)
    1983-1995:
    James Molyneaux (Unionist) (R)
    1995-2003: David Trimble (Unionist) (NSRE)
    2003-2008: Ian Paisley (DUP) (R)
    2008-2016: Peter Robinson (DUP) (R)
    2016-Present: Arlene Foster (DUP)


    Key
    R - Resigned
    D - Died
    NSRE - Not Standing for Re-election
    Def - Party defeated at re-election (No longer largest in senate)

    SDP - Social Democratic Party (C-CL)
    Liberal - (C)
    Labour - (L)
    Democratic Alliance - collection of parties listed below
    Conservative - (CR)
    Unionist - (C-CR)
    DUP - Democratic Unionist Party (R)
    UKIP - United Kingdom Independence Party (R)
    National Liberal Party - (C)

    Progressive - Merge in 1999 of SDP and Liberal Party (C-CL)
    SNP - Scottish Nationalist Party (L)
    Green - (L)
    Plaid Cymru - (L)
    Sinn Fein - (L-FL)
     
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