List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Asami, Jan 12, 2017.

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  1. EbolaMan131 Dick Pound 2020

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    Very Cool
     
  2. Hedonic Hun Well-Known Member

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    You're very welcome:p
     
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  3. Bomster Who is the spiciest memelord?

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    Red Dawn

    1963-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)/1965-1969: Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN)
    1969-1977: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/1969-1973: Spiro Agnew (R-MD), 1973-1977: Gerald Ford (R-MI)
    1977-1985: Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George Bush (R-TX)
    1985-1993: George Bush (R-TX)/Bob Dole (R-KS)
    1993-2001: Bob Dole (R-KS)/Jack Kemp (R-NY)
    2001-2005*: George W. Bush (R-TX)/Dick Cheney (R-WY)
    2005-2009: Dick Cheney (R-WY)/John McCain (R-AZ)
     
  4. Bomster Who is the spiciest memelord?

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    The Dream Ticket

    1993-2001: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Al Gore (D-TN)

    2001-2005: George W. Bush (R-TX)
    2005-2009: John Kerry (D-MA)/John McCain (R-AZ)
    2009-2013: Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Mike Huckabee (R-AR)

    2013-2017: Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Barack Obama (D-IL)
    2017-Present: Donald Trump (R-NY)/Mike Pence (R-IN)
     
  5. Amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Looks good, though I think after three one term Presidents and with the economy improving in 2016, Clinton would beat Trump.
     
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  6. EbolaMan131 Dick Pound 2020

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    Background?
     
  7. Bomster Who is the spiciest memelord?

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    Not really, it's just a Republican-wank :p
     
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  8. EbolaMan131 Dick Pound 2020

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    Ahh ok then
     
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  9. Amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Return of the King: RFK Lives

    36. Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969), D-TX
    VP: Hubert H. Humphrey (1965-1969), D-MN
    37. Richard Nixon (1969-1974), R-CA
    VP: Spiro Agnew (1969-1973), R-MD
    Gerald Ford (1973-1974), R-MI
    38. Gerald Ford (1974-1977), R-MI
    VP: Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977), R-NY
    39. Robert F. Kennedy (1977-1981), D-NY
    VP: Jimmy Carter (1981-1985), D-GA
    40. Jimmy Carter (1981-1985), D-GA
    VP: Walter Mondale (1981-1985), D-MN
    41. John Heinz (1985-1993), R-PA
    VP: Lamar Alexander (1985-1993), R-TN
    42. Lamar Alexander (1993-1997), R-TN
    VP: Thomas Kean (1993-1997), R-NJ
    RFK never takes the detour through the hotel kitchen that separated him from his bodyguard, butterflying away his assassination. He narrowly loses to Humphrey at the Democratic Convention. While Humphrey wins the popular vote by a fraction of a percent thanks to Kennedy's support in the general, he loses the electoral vote to Nixon. Questions of illegitimacy fuel Nixon's paranoia throughout his first term. In 1972, Kennedy defeats Humphrey in a rematch but again the Presidency is taken from him as a combination of dirty tricks and foreign policy victories carry Nixon over the top on election day. Kennedy is dispirited and enters a long depression, feeling that he has failed the country. But a year later he gets a chance to regain his luster as he plays a leading role in the Senate Watergate investigations. Redeemed by his Congressional work, RFK takes the Democratic nomination a second time in 1976 and handily defeats President Ford.

    Kennedy's first term as President is mostly successful, however the 1979 oil crash and a brief recession cause a dent in his popularity. After hostages are taken at the US Embassy in Iran, RFK vetoes a military option but diplomatic efforts fall short. The Republican ticket of Reagan and Bush exploit the faltering economy and the hostage crisis to create a tight race against the President. Yet Reagan's bump in the polls fades away once the economy improves during the fall campaign and, in a surprise twist, a secret arms deal triggers the release of the hostages in late October. Kennedy is re-elected in a landslide. The promise of his second term is cut short by an assassin's bullet on March 30, 1981.

    The new President, Jimmy Carter, signs a gun reform bill to widespread approval. Carter uses his popularity to score major foreign policy victories, including a treaty with Panama and an agreement between Egypt and Israel. But as the economy enters a steep recession, the conservative Carter does little to mitigate the downturn and his constant fights with Congress create gridlock in Washington. The GOP comes back with a vengeance in the 1982 midterms. While the economy improves by 1984, Carter is disliked by both the left, right, and center as he is hurt by a primary challenge from Jesse Jackson and Pat Robertson's Evangelical third party candidacy. In a narrow race, moderate Republican Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania unseats President Carter.

    After that, Heinz is re-elected and VP Lamar Alexander wins in 1992. Does anyone have any ideas for who might win in 1996?
     
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  10. Newne76 Prime Minister of Soda

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    I'll be Back
    POD is Nixon winning in 1960, JFK comes back for revenge in 1964 and serves a single term. LBJ is more right wing in this and the early 60's sees the legalization of gay marriage with the hippie generation pushing it, enabling LBJ and Goldwater to be considered a couple in 1965.
    Also Pelosi is considerably more along the lines of a conservative democrat, with the last liberal democratic administration being traced to Duakakis and Kennedy.

    Kennedy also ends up winning the democratic nomination again an upset in 1996.
    39. Lyndon B. Johnson*/Barry Goldwater (Republican)
    (January 20th,1969-January 22nd,1973)

    1968 Def: George Wallace/Martin Luther King Jr. (Democratic)
    1972 Def: Robert Bergland/Lawton Chiles (Democratic)

    40.Barry Goldwater/Vacant (Republican)
    (January 22nd,1973-January 20th,1977)
    Barry Goldwater/Richard Nixon (Republican)
    (January 20th,1977-January 20th,1981)

    1976 Def: Reubin Askew/Henry M. Jackson (Democratic)
    41. Fritz Hollings/Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
    (January 20th,1981-January 20th,1985)

    1980 Def: Lady Bird Johnson/Robert Byrd (Republican)
    42. Ronald Reagan/Arnold Schwarzenegger Goldwater (Republican)
    (January 20th,1985-January 20th,1989)

    1984 Def: Fritz Hollings/Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
    43. Michael Dukakis/John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
    (January 20th,1989-January 20th,1997)

    1988 Def:John Warner/Paul Laxalt (Republican)
    1992 Def: Ron Paul/Bill Weld (Republican)

    44. John F. Kennedy/Betty Ford (Democratic)
    (January 20th,1997-January 20th,2001)

    1996 Def:Arnold Schwarzenegger Goldwater/Sylvester Stallone (Republican)
    45. Arnold Schwarzenegger Goldwater/Clint Eastwood (Republican)
    (January 20th,2001-January 20th,2009)

    2000 Def: Tom Cruise/Bill Gates (Democratic)
    2004 Def: David Duke/Bill Clinton (Democratic)

    46. Clint Eastwood*/Ben Stein (Republican)
    (January 20th,2009-August 11th,2010)

    2008 Def:Max Warner/John Kerry (Democratic)
    47. Ben Stein/Vacant (Republican)
    (August 11th,2010-January 20th,2013)
    48. John Huntsman Jr./Buddy Roemer (Republican)
    (January 20th,2013-January 20th,2021)

    2012 Def: Carol Mousely Braun/Barrack Obama (Democratic)
    2016 Def:Bill Clinton/Joe
    Lieberman (Democratic)
    49. Joe Biden/Joe Lieberman (Democratic)
    (January 20th,2021-January 20th,2025)

    2020 Def: Steve Forbes/Donald Trump (Republican)
    50.Joe Lieberman*/Joe Manchin (Democratic)
    (January 20th,2025-October 14th,2027)

    2024 Def: David Duke/Sarah Palin (Republican)
    51. Joe Manchin/Vacant (Democratic)
    (October 14th,2027-January 20th,2029)

    2028 Def: Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin (Republican)
    51. Joe Manchin/Nancy Pelosi (Democratic)
    (January 20th,2029-January 20th,2037)

    2032 Def: Sarah Palin/Mitt Romney (Republican)
     
  11. EbolaMan131 Dick Pound 2020

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    LBJ and Goldwater a couple?
    Truly blessed
    Also I'm glad that your back and doing your thing
    I thought you were done after the whole Australian thing happened but I'm glad to see your still these things
     
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  12. Newne76 Prime Minister of Soda

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    Regarding the Australian thing, I felt as though I put too much absurdity into it and I was kind of frightened about the incident as a whole. I decided to take a break from it, growing a bit of a paranoid fear about the Alerts. However, now after calming down and getting back to my roots, I'm back in the game baby. I even have some wiki box about LBJ and Goldwater as first gentlemen and presidencies too saved in paint somewhere on my desktop. It's nice to be back.
     
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  13. EbolaMan131 Dick Pound 2020

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    Very good
     
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  14. Rosa Luxemburg Homosatanist

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    Wtf. Like actually
     
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  15. Omar04 Well-Known Member

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    PODs?
     
  16. Newne76 Prime Minister of Soda

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    Nixon defeats JFK in 1960 and this sets up 1964 as a rematch between JFK and Nixon, which JFK wins against Nixon. LBJ comes to prominence within the GOP as someone who can defeat JFK, only for JFK to decide not to run again this time owing to the escalating Vietnam war.
     
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  17. Pokemon Master What's it to you?

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    but how does LBJ become a Republican?
     
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  18. Newne76 Prime Minister of Soda

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    Through LBJ's marriage with Goldwater and move to a more republican heavy county of Texas.
     
  19. Hedonic Hun Well-Known Member

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    The Presidency: A Dumping Ground for Washed-Up Celebrities

    1977 - 1985: Ronald Reagan/John Tower
    def. 1976: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale, 1980: Paul Newman/Henry Fonda
    1985 - 1991: Michael Landon/Joan Baez
    def. 1984: James Stewart/Robert Wagner, 1989: Robert Wagner/George Kennedy
    1991 - 1993: Joan Baez/vacant
    1993 - 1998: Frank Sinatra/Clint Eastwood

    def. 1992: Joan Baez/Muhammad Ali, 1996: Kirk Douglas/Michael J. Fox
    1998 - 2005: Clint Eastwood/vacant
    def. 2000: Bruce Springsteen/Charlie Sheen
    2005 - 2009: Arnold Schwarzenegger/James Woods
    def. 2004: Donald Trump/Cameron Diaz
    2009 - 2017: Tom Hanks/Oprah Winfrey
    def. 2008: Arnold Schwarzenegger/James Woods, 2012: Bruce Willis/Elisabeth Hasselbeck
    2017 - : Oprah Winfrey/Stephen Colbert
    def. 2016: Donald Trump/Megyn Kelly

    For some reason (don't ask me why), Watergate was even worse TTL. So much worse that both Congress and Supreme Court decided to limit presidential powers to the point that they basically transformed the US into a semipresidential system in which the office of president is mainly of symbolic nature. A US president is still more powerful than, say, the Queen of England, but the office's most important responsibilities have been transferred onto Congress and the newly created office of Prime Minister (who is also the Majority Leader of the House). While both Democrats and Republicans still had "real" politicians running in the 1976 presidential election, Ronald Reagan was also a charismatic former movie star, and it turned out soon that this was his actual qualification for the job. Consequently, Democrats where quick to find their own 1950's movie star to run for them and since then, presidential elections have basically become a referendum on which party's celebrity is the more popular one. The two closest races so far were the so-called "singing contest of '92" (Baez vs. Sinatra) and the election between two very adored actors, Schwarzenegger and Hanks, in 2008. The first woman president was Joan Baez, and two celebrity presidents have died in office: Michael Landon and Frank Sinatra. Donald Trump has run twice, both times for a different party and both times unsuccessfully.
     
  20. The Lethargic Lett Giving Peace a Chance

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    History Repeating Itself Backwards
    A thought experiment on emulating Presidents from the turn of the 20th Century on to the turn of the 19th Century. It's not perfectly accurate (I was especially hard-pressed finding John McCain and Hillary Clinton equivalents), but I think it's the closest one can get with the parallels.

    1893-1901: Claude Matthews/Joseph Blackburn - Democratic
    Def. 1892: Benjamin Harrison/Whitelaw Reid - Republican Def. 1896: Thomas Bracket Reed/Robert Hitt - Republican
    A moderate Democratic governor with a running mate from a neighbouring state defeats an incumbent Republican. Has a history of strong opposition from Republicans in the legislature, but remains popular, and quite easily wins re-election over a member of the Republican Old Guard, and his socially progressive running mate.

    1901-1909: Chester Arthur II/Elihu Root - Republican
    Def. 1900: Joseph Blackburn/Isidor Rayner - Democratic Def. 1904: Donelson Caffery/Benjamin Tillman - Democratic

    The former party animal son of a former President of the same name is narrowly elected, with a longstanding foreign policy and war specialist of past administrations acting as the 'power behind the throne.' Generally considered bumbling, he oversees a war which, while initially popular, becomes a foreign relations fiasco. Despite this, he wins re-election over a Democrat associated with the anti-war movement and his running mate associated with campaign finance laws.

    1909-1917: Albert Estopinal/George Gray - Democratic
    Def. 1908: William Dillingham/William Monroe Trotter - Republican Def. 1912: Reed Smoot/Robert La Follette - Republican
    The first President of an ethno-racial minority rides a wave of popular support along with his running mate, a man from Delaware who had run for President before. Despite an assumption of disentanglement from foreign affairs, the US gets more involved across the world. At home, attempts at reform are slowed by an uncooperative Congress that uses mud-racking and every other trick in the book to weaken the Administration. The President survives, but his legacy is toppled by a controversial New York businessman of questionable party affiliation.

    1917-XXXX: William Randolph Hearst/Marcus Holcomb - Republican
    Def. 1916: Renick Seymour Matthews/William McCombs - Democratic
    Running a controversial campaign, a populist demagogue is elected to office, alongside a socially conservative governor who is basically unknown outside his home state. With a well-known media presence and with an immovable base of core supporters, contradictory policy positions and various scandals derail public attention while most of his legislation is passed.
     
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