List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Asami, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. redjirachi Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2018
    Steel Ball Run Universe

    22(first term): Grover Cleveland(1885-1889)/Thomas A Hendricks*(March 4-November 25 1885)
    -Election of 1888: Grover Cleveland/Allen Thurman(Democrat) vs Benjamin Harrison/Levi P Morton(Republican)
    22(second term): Grover Cleveland/Allen Thurman(1889-1893)[1]
    -Election of 1892: Adlai Stevenson I/Horace Boies(Democrat) vs Funny Valentine/Theodore "Thee" Roosevelt(Republican)
    23(first term): Funny Valentine**/Thee Roosevelt(1893-1895)[2]
    24(first term): Thee Roosevelt(1895-1897)
    -Election of 1896: Thee Roosevelt/Garret Hobart(Republican) vs William Jennings Bryan/Hol Dayrl(Democrat)[3]
    24(second term): Thee Roosevelt/Garret Hobart(1897-1901)
    -Election of 1900: Theodore Reed/Frederick Dent Grant(Republican) vs William Jennings Bryan/Charles A Towne
    25(first term): William Jennings Bryan/Charles A Towne(1901-1905)
    -Election of 1904: William Jennings Bryan/Charles A Towne(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican)
    26(first term): Theodore Roosevelt/Charles W Fairbanks(1905-1909)
    -Election of 1908: Theodore Roosevelt/William H Taft(Republican) vs William Jennings Bryan/Alton Parker(Democrat)
    26(second term): Theodore Roosevelt/William H Taft(1909-1913)
    -Election of 1912: William H Taft/William Borah(Republican) vs Champ Clark/John Burke(Democrat)
    27(first term): Champ Clark/John Burke(1913-1917)
    -Election of 1916: Champ Clark/Thomas R Marshall(Democrat) vs William Borah/Elihu Root(Republican)
    27(second term): Champ Clark/Thomas R Marshall(1917-1921)

    Abridged list
    • 22: Grover Cleveland(1885-1893)/Thomas A Hendricks*(1885), Allen Thurman(1888-1893)
    • 23: Funny Valentine**/Thee Roosevelt(1893-1895)
    • 24: Theodore "Thee" Roosevelt Sr(1895-1901)/Garret Hobart(1897-1901)
    • 25: William J Bryan/Charles A Towne(1901-1905)
    • 26: Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt Jr(1905-1913)/Charles W Fairbanks(1905-1909), William H Taft(1909-1913)
    • 27: Champ Clark(1913-1921)/John Burke(1913-1917), Thomas R Marshall(1917-1921)

    [1]One of the POD(the more obvious being the existence of Stands, the Holy Corpse and Funny Valentine) is Cleveland winning his initial re-election. This opened the role for the younger Valentine now that Benjamin Harrison was dried up
    [2]T.R's father lives longer in this timeline. His sense of justice made him a good choice as VP. Given how Valentine died, his death lead to various conspiracy theories.
    [3]Hol Daryl is the ancestor of SBR's Hol Horse
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  2. Hedonic Hun Well-Known Member

    Oct 20, 2018
    List of German Chancellors, 1961 - 1981

    This is my attempt at a Germany-US analogue, Part 1 of 2. It is inspired by this, and it might be a bit eccentric. The PoD is that, pursued by a "Grand Coalition", Germany is given a FPTP voting system similar to the UK in the 50's. Also, the first chancellor steps down after two terms due to health reasons, setting an unwritten two-term limit for later chancellors.

    Willy Brandt, 1961 - 1963


    def. Ludwig Erhard (CDU), 1961
    1961 - 63: SPD-FDP coalition
    above: Brandt driven in an open car only minutes before being shot

    It was Brandt's charisma that ensured the SPD its rise to power in 1961. Beloved by people of all classes, the young and charming chancellor embodied the dawn of a new decade as much as the rise of a modern, socially liberal West Germany. Being a ladies' man, he was even sung a birthday serenade by famous actress and music star Hildegard Knef. Though Brandt ran as a peacemaker, his tenure saw increasing tensions with the Eastern Bloc in the days of the Berlin Crisis. Following this, he seeked a policy of détente that was not undisputed, and that was still somewhat limited by the fact that the diplomatic and legal relationship between the two German states remained unclarified. On the domestic front, historians debate how determined Brandt really was to pursue social reform, as his shocking assassination after less than two full years in office prevented him from finishing his legacy.

    Gustav Heinemann, 1963 - 1969


    def.: Kurt Georg Kiesinger (CDU), 1965
    1963 - 65: SPD-FDP coalition
    1965 - 69: SPD majority government
    above: Heinemann defeating his social reforms in the Bundestag

    There was no precedent for a chancellor's death in office. According to the constitution, the Vice Chancellor had to assume his position, but it had been left unclear whether the moved-up chancellor was expected to finish his predecessor's regular term or whether new elections were to be held as soon as possible. In accordance with then-president Heinrich Lübke, Heinemann decided that the nation was too agitated for snap elections. He therefore continued to serve as chancellor for the following two years, after which he won reelection with an astounding majority.
    Being a dutiful, ascetic man, Heinemann wholeheartedly tried to deliver what Brandt had been elected for. He pursued social reform in areas like education or the penal code, and is particularly famous today for challenging society with his progressive views especially in his second term, for example when openly calling out the failures of Denazification. The latter was presumably a factor costing his party the '69 election. Another one was that Heinemann too was unable to find a satisfying solution to the question how West Germany was supposed to treat the GDR in a legal sense, resulting in a series of alarming incidents surrounding the divided city of Berlin.

    Franz Josef Strauß, 1969 - 1974


    def.: Helmut Schmidt (SPD), 1969; Helmut Schmidt (SPD), 1973
    1969-73: CDU/CSU-FDP coalition
    1973-74: CDU/CSU majority government
    above: Strauß greets Erich Honecker, General Secretary of the East German "Socialist Unit Party"

    In 1969, the jovial Bavarian Strauß seemed like the ideal candidate to forge together a conservative voter base. Ironically, following eight years of left-leaning rule, it needed a hardline anti-communist like him to perceptibly release tensions with Eastern Germany. Though some say the groundwork to this policy had been layed by previous governments, it must be credited at least partially to Strauß and the skilled diplomats surrounding him. The new "Ostpolitik" culminated in Strauß' 1972 visit to the GDR, something held impossible only a few years earlier. The phrase "nur Strauß konnt in die Zone gehen" was coined (= "only Strauß could go to the East"). In the same year, a Four Power Agreement finally settled the "Berlin Question". In spite of his polarising rhetorics, Strauß was seen as a successful chancellor by at least half of the population when starting his second term in 1973. Nobody expected his career to end as quickly and spectacular as it did one year later, when shady business dealings through a letterbox company and Strauß' machiavellian methods for smearing political opponents were revealed, forcing him to resign in the summer of 1974. Today, his name is synonymous with corruption and a lack of transparency.

    Helmut Kohl, 1974 - 1977


    1974-77: CDU/CSU majority government
    above: Kohl on a 1974 party conference

    After Strauß' disgraceful downfall, there was only one conservative leader left standing. It was up to the unintellectual but responsible Kohl, chairman of the CSU's sister party outside Bavaria, to take over the baton and clear the chancellorship of his predecessor's stink. Unfortunately, he had to deal with increasing economic instability resulting from the 70's oil crisis. Today, Kohl is given credit for unflinchingly maintaining the social market economy when the oil crisis caused others to hysterically overreact. But back in the days, the zeitgeist played against him. While the opposition accused him of being not keynesian enough, the growing economically liberal wing of his party gave him a hard time.
    The feeling that not all of the chancellor's party stood behind him, combined with the voters' distrust of party establishment figures triggered by the Strauß affair, was it that cost Kohl the '77 election. Being the shortest-serving chancellor in history, unimposing Kohl had little time to leave a mark. Nevertheless, most historians highlight the way his consensual style of governing contrasted the polarising nature of a majority voting system. Similarly, his humble style is credited for rehabilitating the office of chancellor (although Kohl was portrayed as a clumsy fellow by contemporary satire).

    Erhard Eppler, 1977 - 1981


    def.: Helmut Kohl (CDU), 1977
    1977-81: SPD majority government
    above: Erhard Eppler on election night, 1981

    Untypically, the German people were willing to vote for an outsider in the election of '77. Unexpected SPD nominee Erhard Eppler was a strong voice of the SPD's contentious and mostly young-aged left wing. Presenting himself as an anti-establishment idealist, Eppler was only able to win due to the broader crisis of confidence apparent in 1970's German politics. He came across as upright - but quite soon, this was regarded to be his only quality. At the risk of being unjust: pretty much everything went wrong in Eppler's chancellorship. It was him who had to deal with the terror of the so-called "Red Army Faction". Eppler decided to allow negotiations with the terrorists for the sake of their hostages' lives in a 1977 plane hijacking, only to flip this position when more and more kidnappings continued to unsettle the republic in the following years. His authority was furtherly undermined by parts of the opposition linking the chancellor's alleged mildness in the face of left extremism to his own political positioning as a leftie.
    Economically, Eppler's regulative policies probably worsened the situation by alienating employers and boosting the unemployment rate. On the long run, his economic policies must also be accused of setting in motion the death of Germany's once well-working, ordoliberal social-market economy by provoking the CDU to run on a platform of full-grown neoliberalism in the 1981 election. The latter was bascially unwinnable for Eppler, for numerous reasons - the most obvious being that it was overshadowed by the last "great" RAF hostage-taking crisis.
    Eppler left office as one of the most unpopular chancellors, but in the years since then he managed to repair his reputation by being a voice for peace all over the world, partly by chairing and funding several NGO's. Eppler also wrote some acclaimed books and, most astoundingly, was elected to the (mostly symbolic) office of president of Germany in 2009. He is therefore so far the only person in the Federal Republic of Germany who has been both head of government and head of state.
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  3. BlackentheBorg This is going to become a bad meme

    Jun 2, 2015
    Consider this a preview for things to come.

    Plots, Putsches & Phoenixes - Part 2

    1968-1972: James Farmer/Edison Uno (People's/Liberation Democratic fusion ticket)

    defeated Everett Dirksen/Keith Sebelius (Progressive Conservative), Robert Welch Jr./Isaac Lake Sr. (Republican/"Liberty"), Jack Sensenbrenner/Sid McMath (Federalist)
    1972-1976: Ron Reagan/Jack Ruby (Federalist)
    defeated Edison Uno/George Wallace (People's/Liberation Democratic fusion ticket), John Vliet Lindsay/Lunsford Preyer (Progressive Conservative), Henry Grover/Clarence Douglass Dillon (Liberty)
    1976-1980: Al Klein*/Evan Mecham (Liberty)
    defeated Ron Reagan/Jack Ruby (Federalist), Tom Eagleton/Gerhard Williams (Liberation Democratic)****, Lin Holton/Walter Alessandroni (Progressive Conservative), George McGovern/Dorothy Richards (Peoples)****
    1980-1986: Rick Nixon**/Oscar Zeta Acosta (Independent)
    '80: Evan Mecham/Kenneth Starr (Liberty), Ed Garvey/Michael Royko Jr. (Peoples), William Safire/Joseph Buzhardt (Progressive Conservative), Philip Aloysius Hart/Pierre Salinger (Liberation Democratic), Don Yarborough/Joseph Clark Jr. (Federalist)
    '84: Billy Blythe/Marvin Unruh (Liberation Democratic), Fred Roy Harris/Ramsey Clark (Federalist), Peter Barton Wilson/Louis Bafalis (Progressive Conservative), Dixy Lee Ray/Fred Tuttle (Peoples), Meldrim Thomson Jr./Anthony Lorenzo (Liberty)

    1986-1987: Oscar Zeta Acosta***/[vacant] (Independent)
    replacing Nixon
    1987-1988: Lawrence Sanders/[vacant] (Peoples)
    replacing Acosta
    1988-1992: Oliver North*****/Greg Bahnsen (Liberty/Shield)
    defeated Lawrence Sanders/Ronald Kovic (Peoples), Roxanne Conlin/Toney Anaya (Liberation Democratic), George Moscone/Benjamin Fernandez (Progressive Conservative), Lido Iacocca/Earl Carter (Federalist)
    1992-1996: Reed Boucher/Dolores Huerta (Independent)
    defeated Oliver North/Jesse Helms (Shield), Anthony Traficant/Burt Talcott (Federalist), Greg Bahnsen/Dave McCurdy (Liberty), Benjamin Fernandez/Rich Bond (Progressive Conservative), Donald MacKay Fraser/Roberto Mondragon (Peoples Democratic)
    1996-2000: Elizabeth Peterken/Bill Archer (Liberty)
    defeated Reed Boucher/Dolores Huerta (Independent), Mary Tyler Ivins/Dr. Randall Forsberg (Peoples Democratic), Nighthorse Campbell/Daniel E. Walker (Progressive Conservative), William Herbert Gray III/Wyche Fowler (Federalist)
    2000-2004: Wesley Clark/Mark Meckler (Shield)
    defeated Elizabeth Peterken/Bill Archer (Liberty), William Weld/Todd Tiahrt (Progressive Conservative), Dolores Huerta/Pedro Guanche (Independent-fronted Peoples Democratic ticket), Augustus Nunn Jr./Russ Carnahan (Federalist)
    2004-////: Jack “Jackie” Kennedy Jr./Ralph Nader (Federalist/Peoples Democratic fusion ticket/Alliance)******
    defeated Joseph Wayne Miller/Mike Castle (Progressive Conservative), Rudolph Giuliani/Joe Skeen (Liberty), Wesley Clark/Mark Meckler (Shield)

    To figure out how this all happened, read Tear Out A Man's Tongue

    * accused of massive campaign fraud, did not run for reelection
    ** died of a Pulmonary embolism
    *** assassinated, succeeded by the speaker of the house
    **** ticket split after conflict arose between Eagleton and McGovern, reunited decades later as "Peoples Democratic"
    ***** switched party affiliation halfway through term
    ***** After much deliberation, the multiple left-wing parties consolidated into a big tent coalition party, dubbed the "Alliance"
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  4. SandroPertini98 Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2018
    1912's Six-Year Term is passed:

    28 Thomas Woodrow Wilson (D-New Jersey)/ Thomas Reilly Marshall (D-Indiana) 1913-1921
    29 Warren Gamael Harding (R-Ohio)/ John Calvin Coolidge (R-Massachusetts) 1921-1923
    30 John Calvin Coolidge (R-Massachusetts)/ Vacant 1923-1927
    31 Herbert Clark Hoover (R-Iowa)/ Charles Dawes (R-Ohio) 1927-1933

    32 Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D-New York)/ John Nance Garner (D-Texas) 1933-1939
    33 Cordell Hull (D-Tennessee)/ Henry Agard Wallace (D-Iowa) 1939-1945

    34 Wendell Lewis Wilkie (R-New York)/ Alfred Mossman Landon (R-Kansas) 1945-1946
    35 Alfred Mossman Landon (R-Kansas)/ Vacant 1946-1951

    36 Harry Truman (D-Missouri)/ Adlai Ewing Stevenson (D-Illinois) 1951-1957
    37 Adlai Ewing Stevenson (D-Illinois)/ Estes Kefauver (D-Tennessee) 1957-1963

    38 Nelson Aldrich Rockfeller (R-New York)/ Thurston Morton (R-Kentucky) 1963-1969
    39 Lyndon Baines Johnson (D-Texas)/ Eugene Joseph McCarthy (D-Minnesota) 1969-1972
    40 Eugene Joseph McCarthy (D-Minnesota)/ Vacant 1972-1975

    41 Charles Percy (R-Illinois)/ Jacob Koppel Javits (R-New York) 1975-1981
    42 Robert Francis Kennedy (D-New York)/ James Earl Carter (D-Georgia) 1981-1987
    43 James Earl Carter (D-Georgia)/ Walter Mondale (D-Minnesota) 1987-1993

    44 Robert Joseph Dole (R-Kansas)/ Paul Laxalt (R-Nevada) 1993-1999
    45 Mario Cuomo (D-New York)/ Samuel Augustus Nunn Jr (D-Georgia) 1999-2005
    46 Samuel Augustus Nunn Jr (D-Georgia)/ William Warren Bradley (D-New Jersey) 2005-2011

    47 Willard Mitt Romney (R-Massachusetts)/ Tymothy Pawlenty (R-Minnesota) 2011-2017
    48 Barack Hussein Obama (D-Illinois)/ Tymothy Kaine (D-Virginia) 2017-...
  5. lucon50 Well-Known Member

    Feb 4, 2015
    No Falklands War

    1979: Thatcher (C) maj
    - def. Callaghan (Lab), Steel (Lib)

    1984: Thatcher (C) min
    - def. Jenkins (SD/Lib), Foot (Lab)

    1986: Williams (SD)/Steel (Lib) maj
    - def. Pym (C), Benn (Lab)

    * PR voting *

    1988: Williams (SD)/Steel (Lib) maj
    - def. Heseltine (C), Benn (Lab)

    * EU entry *

    1992: Heseltine (C) min
    - def. Williams (SD/Lib), Benn (Lab)

    1995: Ashdown (LD) min
    - def. Heseltine (C), Cook (Lab), Redwood (N)

    1997: Ashdown (LD)/Clarke (C) maj
    - def. Cook (Lab), Redwood (N)

    * Euro entry *

    2001: Blair (LD)/Clarke (C) maj
    - def. Portillo (U), Livingstone (Lab)

    2005: Portillo (U) min
    - def. Blair (LD/C), Livingstone (S)

    * Financial crisis *

    2009: Kennedy (P) min
    - def. Portillo (U), Abbott (S)

    2011: Kennedy (P)/McDonnell (S)
    - def. Gove (U)

    2015: Gove (U) min
    - def. Kennedy (P), McDonnell (S)
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  6. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    What if the Losers Had Won? 1952 to Present:

    34. Adlai Stevenson II (1953-1961), D-IL
    35. Richard Nixon (1961-1963), R-CA*
    36. Barry Goldwater (1963-1969), R-AZ

    37. Hubert H. Humphrey (1969-1974), D-MN*
    38. George McGovern (1974-1977), D-SD

    39. Gerald Ford (1977-1981), R-MI
    40. Jimmy Carter (1981), D-GA*
    41. Walter Mondale (1981-1989), D-MN
    42. Michael Dukakis (1989-1993), D-MA

    43. George H.W. Bush (1993-1997), R-TX
    44. Bob Dole (1997-2001), R-KS

    45. Al Gore (2001), D-TN*
    46. John Kerry (2001-2009), D-MA

    47. John McCain (2009-2011), R-AZ*
    48. Mitt Romney (2011-2017), R-MA

    49. Hillary Clinton (Since 2017), D-NY

    *Died in office
    As a side note, in 1996 Bush declines to run for re-election due to ill health. Vice-President Bob Dole is elected to succeed him.

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  7. Halv Cyra Building Legacies

    May 15, 2018
    >Died in Office

    that's gonna be a yikes from me dog
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  8. SandroPertini98 Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2018
    By an idea of Notsure and with contribution of Mikestone8:

    28 James Beauchamp "Champ" Clark (D-Missouri)/ Thomas Reilly Marshall (D-Indiana) 1913-1919
    Def 1912 Theodore Roosevelt (P-New York)/ Hiram Johnson (P-California), William Howard Taft (R-Ohio)/ Nicholas Butler (R-New York)
    29 Charles Evans Hughes (R-New York)/ Warren Gamael Harding (R-Ohio) 1919-1923
    Charles Evans Hughes (R-New York)/ Vacant 1923-1925

    Def 1918 William Randolph Hearst (D-New York)/ Judson Harmon (D-Ohio)
    30 Herbert Clark Hoover (R-Iowa)/ John Calvin Coolidge (R-Massachusetts) 1925-1931
    Def 1924 James Middleton Cox (D-Ohio)/ Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D-New York), Robert Marion LaFollette (P-Wisconsin)/ Burton Kendall Wheeler (P-Montana)
    31 Alfred Emmanuel Smith (D-New York)/ Joseph Taylor Robinson (D-Arkansas) 1931-1937
    Def 1930 John Calvin Coolidge (R-Massachusetts)/ Charles Curtis (R-Kansas)
    32 Alfred Mossman Landon (R-Kansas)/ William Franklin Knox (R-Connecticut) 1937-1943

    Def 1936 John Nance Garner (D-Texas)/ David Walsh (D-Massachusetts)
    33 William Franklin Knox (R-Connecticut)/ Charles Lewis McNary (R-Washington) 1943-1944
    William Franklin Knox (R-Connecticut)/ Vacant 1944
    Acting President Arthur Hendrick Vandenberg (R-Michigan) 1944-1947
    34 Arthur Hendrick Vandenberg (R-Michigan)/ Vacant 1947-1949

    Def 1942 Upton Ball Sinclair (D-California)/ Scott Lucas (D-Illinois)
    35 William Orville Douglas (D-Minnesota)/ Claude Denson Pepper (D-Florida) 1949-1955
    Def 1948 Thomas Edmund Dewey (R-New York)/ Earl Warren (R-California), James Strom Thurmond (DX-South Carolina)/ Fielding Wright (DX-Mississippi)
    36 Dwight David Einsenhower (R-New York)/ Harold Edward Stassen (R-Minnesota) 1955-1961
    Def 1954 Claude Denson Pepper (D-Florida)/ Harry Truman (D-Missouri)
    37 Harold Edward Stassen (R-Minnesota)/ Nelson Aldrich Rockfeller (R-New York) 1961-1967
    Def 1960 Adlai Ewing Stevenson (D-Illinois)/ John Fitzgerald Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
    38 John Fitzgerald Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)/ Henry Martin Jackson (D-Washington) 1967-1973
    Def 1966 Nelson Aldrich Rockfeller (R-New York)/ Charles Percy (R-Illinois), George Corley Wallace Jr (AIP-Alabama)/ Albert Happy Chandler (AIP-Kentucky)
    39 Charles Percy (R-Illinois)/ Barry Morris Goldwater (R-Arizona) 1973-1979
    Def 1972 Henry Martin Jackson (D-Washington)/ Hubert Horatio Humphrey (D-Minnesota)
    40 Edmund Sixtus Muskie (D-Maine)/ James Earl Carter (D-Georgia) 1979-1985
    Def 1978 Barry Morris Goldwater (R-Arizona)/ Jacob Koppel Javits (R-New York)
    41 James Earl Carter (D-Georgia)/ Walter Frederick Mondale (D-Minnesota) 1985-1991
    Def 1984 Ronald Wilson Reagan (R-California)/ Philip Crane (R-Illinois)
    42 Robert Joseph Dole (R-Kansas)/ Andrew Lamar Alexander (R-Tennessee) 1991-1997

    Def 1990 Walter Frederick Mondale (D-Minnesota)/ Geraldine Ferraro (D-New York)
    43 Andrew Lamar Alexander (R-Tennesse)/ John Sidney McCain III (R-Arizona) 1997-2003
    Def 1996 Mario Cuomo (D-New York)/ Robert Daniel Graham (D-Florida), Henry Ross Perot (Ref-Texas)/ Patrick Choate (Ref-Virginia)
    44 John Sidney McCain III (R-Arizona)/ John Ellis Bush (R-Texas) 2003-2009
    Def 2002 William Warren Bradley (D-New Jersey)/ Richard Gephardt (D-Missouri)
    45 Barack Hussein Obama (D-Illinois)/ Tymothy Kaine (D-Virginia) 2009-2015
    Def 2008 John Ellis Bush (R-Florida)/ Michael Dale Huckabee (R-Arkansas)
    46 Willard Mitt Romney (R-Massachusetts)/ Marco Rubio (R-Florida) 2015-...
    Def 2014 Tymothy Kaine (D-Virginia)/ Kathleen Sebellius (D-Kansas)
    2020 Election prevision:
    Marco Rubio (R-Florida)/ Joseph Robinette Biden (R-Delawere) vs Elizabeth Anne Warren (D-Massachusetts)/ Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) vs Donald John Trump (MAGA Party-New York)/ Michael Flynn (MAGA Party-Rhode Island)
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  9. Zyxoriv Jack of all trades, master of none.

    Nov 26, 2017
    I see you are a man of culture.
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  10. NickRome Active Member

    Aug 13, 2017
    New Jersey
    Updated version of this list, now with foot notes in the spoiler section! Feedback and questions are more than welcome.

    16.) Abraham Lincoln (IL)/Hannibal Hamlin (ME) (Republican) 1861-1865

    Abraham Lincoln (IL)/Andrew Johnson (TN)(National Union) 1865-1865
    1860 def. John C. Breckenridge (KY)/Joseph Lane (OR) (Northern Democratic), John Bell (TN)/Edward Everett (MA) (Constitutional Union), Stephen A. Douglas (IL)/Herschel V. Johnson (GA) (Southern Democratic)
    1864 def. George B. McClellan (NJ)/George H. Pendleton (OH) (Democratic)

    Acting President: Lafayette S. Foster (CT) (Republican) 1865-1866

    17.) Ulysses S. Grant (OH)/John C. Frémont (CA) (Republican) 1866-1873 [1]
    1865 (special election) def. Thomas A. Hendricks (IN)/James E. English (CT) (Democratic)
    1868 def. Salmon P. Chase (OH)/Horatio Seymour (NY) (Democratic)

    18.) James G. Blaine (ME)/Oliver P. Morton (IN) (Republican) 1873-1877
    1872 def. Charles Francis Adams (MA)/David Davis (IL) (Democratic)

    19.) Thomas F. Bayard (DE)/Samuel J. Tilden (NY) (Democratic) 1877-1880 [2]
    1876 def. James G. Blaine (ME)/Rutherford B. Hayes (OH) (Republican)

    20.) Samuel J. Tilden (NY)/Vacant (Democratic) 1880-1881

    21.) Robert Todd Lincoln (IL)/John Sherman (OH) (Republican) 1881-1889 [3]
    1880 def. Samuel J. Tilden (NY)/John M. Palmer (IL) (Democratic)
    1884 def. John G. Carlisle (KY)/Arthur P. Gorman (MD) (Democratic)

    22.) Grover Cleveland (NY)/Allen G. Thurman (OH)† (Democratic) 1889-189

    Grover Cleveland (NY)/Vacant 1895-1896
    Grover Cleveland (NY)/Arthur P. Gorman (MD) (Democratic) 1896-1897 [4]
    1888 def. John Sherman (OH)/William Walter Phelps (NJ) (Republican)
    1892 def. Levi P. Morton (NY)/Russell A. Alger (MI) (Republican)

    23.) William Jennings Bryan (NE)/James B. Weaver (IA) (Democratic Labor) 1897-1905 [5]
    1896 def. William B. Allison (IA)/Henry Clay Evans (TN) (Republican), Arthur P. Gorman (MD)/William L. Wilson (WV) (Democratic)
    1900 def. James S. Sherman (NY)/Charles W. Fairbanks (IN) (Republican), David B. Hill (NY)/Joseph W. Bailey (TX) (Democratic)

    24.) Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Henry Cabot Lodge (MA) (Republican) 1905-1913
    1904 def. Thomas E. Watson (GA)/William Randolph Hearst (NY) (Democratic Labor), Francis Cockrell (MO)/Alton B. Parker (NY) (Democratic)
    1908 def. William Randolph Hearst (NY)/John A. Johnson (MN) (Democratic Labor)

    25.) Henry Cabot Lodge (MA)/Elihu Root (NY) (Republican) 1913-1917

    Henry Cabot Lodge (MA)/Oscar Underwood (AL) (National Union) 1917-1921 [6]
    1912 def. John W. Kern (IN)/Thomas E. Watson (GA) (Democratic Labor), Champ Clark (MO)/Woodrow Wilson (NJ) (Democratic)
    1916 def. William Randolph Hearst (NY)/Robert M. La Follette (WI) (Democratic Labor)

    26.) Robert M. La Follette (WI)/Burton K. Wheeler (MT) (Democratic Labor) 1921-1924 [7]
    1920 def. Oscar Underwood (AL)/Charles Evans Hughes (NY) (National Union)

    27.) Burton K. Wheeler (MT)/Vacant (Democratic Labor) 1924-1925

    Burton K. Wheeler (MT)/James M. Cox (OH) (Democratic Labor) 1925-1929
    1924 def. Calvin Coolidge (MA)/Carter Glass (VA) (National Union)

    28.) Charles Curtis (KS)/Frank Orren Lowden (IL) (National Union) 1929-1933
    1928 def. James M. Cox (OH)/Gilbert Hitchcock (NE) (Democratic Labor)

    29.) Franklin D. Roosevelt (NY)/Cordell Hull (TN) (Democratic Labor) 1933-1941

    Franklin D. Roosevelt (NY)/Henry A. Wallace (IA) (Democratic Labor) 1941-1944 [8]
    1932 def. Charles Curtis (KS)/Frank Orren Lowden (IL) (National Union)
    1936 def. Frank Orren Lowden (IL)/Walter F. George (GA) (Nation Union)
    1940 def. Joseph W. Martin (MA)/Harry F. Byrd (VA) (National Union)

    30.) Henry A. Wallace (IA)/Vacant (Democratic Labor) 1944-1945 [9]

    31.) Thomas E. Dewey (NY)/Earl Warren (CA) (National Union) 1945-1953
    1944 def. Henry A. Wallace (IA)/Robert M. La Follette Jr. (WI) (Democratic Labor)
    1948 def. Robert M. La Follette Jr. (WI)/Alben W. Barkley (KY) (Democratic Labor)

    32.) Henry A. Wallace (IA)/Estes Kefauver (TN) (Democratic Labor) 1953-1957 [10]
    1952 def. Earl Warren (CA)/Dwight D. Eisenhower (TX) (National Union)

    33.) Earl Warren (CA)/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (MA) (National Union) 1957-1961 [11]
    1956 def. Estes Kefauver (TN)/Adlai Stevenson (IL) (Democratic Labor), Strom Thurmond (SC)/George Smathers (FL) (American Conservative)

    34.) John F. Kennedy (MA)/Hubert Humphrey (MN) (Democratic Labor) 1961-1969
    1960 def. Earl Warren (CA)/Henry Cabot Lodge (MA) (National Union), John Sparkman (AL)/Richard Russell Jr. (GA) (American Conservative)
    1964 def. Nelson Rockefeller (NY)/William Scranton (PA) (National Union)

    35.) George W. Romney (MI)/Howard Baker (TN) (National Union) 1969-1977
    1968 def. Eugene McCarthy (MN)/Edmund Muskie (ME) (Democratic Labor), George Wallace (AL)/Russell B. Long (LA) (American Conservative)
    1972 def. Robert F. Kennedy (NY)/George McGovern (SD) (Democratic Labor)

    36.) Howard Baker (TN)/Edward Brooke (MA) (National Union) 1977-1981 [12]
    1976 def. Edmund Muskie (ME)/Mo Udall (AZ) (Democratic Labor), Robert Byrd (WV)/Jesse Helms (NC) (American Conservative)

    37.) Walter Mondale (MN)/Birch Bayh (IN) (Democratic Labor) 1981-1989
    1980 def. Howard Baker (TN)/Edward Brooke (MA) (National Union)
    1984 def. Bob Dole (KS)/Arlen Specter (PA) (National Union)

    38.) Thomas Kean (NJ)/John Danforth (MO) (National Union) 1989-1993 [13]
    1988 def. Paul Simon (IL)/Ted Kennedy (MA) (Democratic Labor)

    39.) Ann Richards (TX)/Mario Cuomo (NY) (Democratic Labor) 1993-2001 [14]
    1992 def. Thomas Kean (NJ)/John Danforth (MO) (National Union)
    1996 def. John McCain (AZ)/Christine Todd Whitman (NJ) (National Union)

    40.) Howard Dean (VT)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Democratic Labor) 2001-2005
    2000 def. Lamar Alexander (TN)/John Kasich (OH) (National Union)

    41.) Hillary Rodham (IL)/Joe Lieberman (CT) (National Union) 2005-2013 [15]
    2004 def. Howard Dean (VT)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Democratic Labor)
    2008 def. Barack Obama (MA)/Evan Bayh (IN) (Democratic Labor)

    42.) Sherrod Brown (OH)/Caroline Kennedy (NY) (Democratic Labor) 2013-
    2012 def. Tim Pawlenty (MN)/Jon Huntsman Jr. (UT) (National Union)
    2016 def. Mitt Romney (MI)/Susan Collins (ME) (National Union)

    [1] As the 1865 election was a special one, the next presidential election was held right on schedule in 1868, despite President Grant's attempts to get the next election, and all subsequent elections, moved to odd-numbered years. Thus, Grant only served seven years as President.

    [2] Charles J. Guiteau was Bayard's assassin instead of Garfield's in this TL.

    [3] The eldest Lincoln son was elected to the Senate just four years previously and was pressured by his party, but against his family's wished, to run for President. Despite fears Robert would go the same way as his father, he would go on be the first President since Jackson to serve eight whole years in office.

    [4] Cleveland's somewhat disastrous second term led to a major split in the Democratic Party between the conservative, pro-business Bourbon wing and the progressive, pro-labor and silver backed currency wing.

    [5] Bryan's candidacy, especially being the nominee of a newly formed party, seemed like a long shot. But Bryan's populist style of campaigning and alliances with labor unions in throughout the country saw the Democratic Labor Party (DLP for short) rise to national prominence.

    [6] In 1916, President Lodge saw himself fighting two wars, one in Europe and the other in Washington D.C. Progressive members of the Republican party began moving over to the DLP, leaving the GOP in the hands of its conservative wing, the same problem that had occurred to the now fledgling Democratic Party some 25 years before. Despite reluctance from some members of both parties, an agreement was soon formed that merged the Democrats and Republicans into the National Union Party (not to be confused with the ticket Lincoln and Johnson ran on in 1864). The party would strong with conservatives in both the Northeast (New England especially) and in the South. Although disagreements over segregation issues plagued the party for decades behind-the=scenes, it proved to be a strong opponent to the DLP nonetheless.

    [7] While campaigning for reelection, La Follette was assassinated by a disgruntled ex-factory worker while preparing to visit the factory said assassin worked at in Chicago.

    [8] FDR dies two months before the election in this TL.

    [9] Although expected by many to win the election after replacing FDR as the nominee, Wallace would lose to Dewey and Warren in a shock move. His lose would soon be attributed to his foreign policy proposals, which came across as somewhat lenient towards the Soviet Union.

    [10] Against all odds, Henry Wallace would resurface eight years later, having had time to reflect on his statements on the USSR made before his last bid. Wallace is the only President to date who served nonconsecutive terms.

    [11] The secret battle within the National Union Party would come to a head when a number of conservative Southern politicians split off from the NUP over disagreements regarding segregation. The new party would be named the American Conservative Party (ACP), which would dominate Southern politics for nearly 20 years.

    [12] Senator Edward Brooke would make history as the first African American to serve as Vice President.

    [13] Thomas Kean's presidency would see the collapse of the Soviet Union and the emergence of the United States as the sole world superpower at the end of the Cold War.

    [14] The first woman elected to the Oval Office, Ann Richards would oversee the 90s economic boom and a period of relative stability in the America.

    [15] Hillary Rodham would follow in Ann Richards's footsteps and become the second woman elected President four years later. Although Rodham's first term was a prosperous one, her second would be plagued by an economic recession and political scandals, leading to a landslide victory for the DLP in the 2012 elections.
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  11. The_Russian Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2017
    Presidents of the Soviet Union (1985-2007) Russian Federation (2007-Present)
    1. Mikhail Gorbachev (Communist 1985-1992) (Independent 1992-1995) 1985-1995

    Being know for reforming the Soviet Union, he established the new union treaty, trade agreements with Europe, and economic reform. The only nations that left the Soviet Union were the Baltic’s, Georgia, and Armenia.
    2. Boris Yeltsin (Independent) 1995-2000
    Riding on a wave of popularity, Yeltsin proved to be an ineffective leader. Some say he got Clinton to push for Russian membership in NATO, but other than that he doesn’t have much to his name other than he was an alcoholic.
    3. Grigory Yavlinsky (Yabloko) 2000-2010
    Yalvinsky’s reputation is controversial. He was able to improve relations with Europe, and get Russia to join NATO after 9/11. He got Russia to join the Schengen Zone in 2004, then the Eurozone in 2006, and the European Union in 2007. At the same time, he is blamed for the independence of Azerbaijan, and the CAU (Central Asian Union) by allowing the independence referendums to take place. Kazakhstan and Ukraine were the two closest referendums with them staying in Russia after the Duma passed a new constitution establishing a centralized Russian state. The integration with Europe was credited with helping Russia during the Great Recession. He is seen as weak by his critics since he had to get America involved in Chechnya during the war on terror.
    4. Vladimir Putin (United Russia) 2010-202?
    Vladimir Putin faced off against Yavlinsky in the 2000 election, but decided not to run untill 2010. He won with a slogan of “Make Russia Great Again.” He won a landslide victory in 2015 since he was credited with getting russia out of the Great Recession. He was able to effectively kill off independence movements within Russia, and is credited for “returning family values” to Russia by implementing Orthodox, and pro-family policies that aim to increase birth rates and religious values. He is a euro skeptic, but sees that he is in the minority. He is currently running for an unprecedented third term, and is expected to win in 2020. He has vowed not to run in 2025. His critics say he has silenced political opponents, but in response the Duma passed a free speech amendment. Though Putin is popular, the Duma is currently “hung” with a coalition of parties on the right barley making up a majority, with the libertarians playing the role of “Czar maker.”

    Sorry if this is ASB, I just got bored.
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  12. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    And Now For Something Completely Different:

    On the first night of the 1920 Republican convention Warren G. Harding trips and falls, scattering his personal papers across the floor. His opponents' political handlers grab hold of Harding's scandalous love letters to his mistress and release them to the press. Harding denies he wrote the letters, but his campaign is humiliated. Instead of Harding, the GOP Convention turns to Pennsylvania Governor William Cameron Sproul. Sproul wins in a landslide and is elected America's first Quaker President.

    29. William Cameron Sproul (1921-1927), R-PA

    Sproul is a popular and successful President who goes onto win re-election by a large margin. However, in March 1927 Sproul succumbs to the stress of the Presidency and he dies of a heart attack. Vice-President Frank Orren Lowden is sworn in to replace him.

    30. Frank Orren Lowden (1927-1933), R-IL

    Lowden is elected to a full term in his own right in 1928. Yet the stock market crashes a year later, plunging the country into economic chaos. Lowden implements limited relief measures to alleviate the crisis, but nonetheless he is defeated in 1932 by America's first Catholic President: Al Smith.

    31. Al Smith (1933-1937), D-NY

    Smith begins his administration with great promise, yet turns out to be a colossal disappointment. Smith's introduction of a national sales tax and opposition to deficit spending only cause the economy to stagnate even further. In 1936, Huey Long's third party candidacy splits the Democratic vote and allows the GOP to narrowly regain the Presidency under Alf Landon.

    32. Alf Landon (1937-1941), R-KS

    Landon is perhaps one of the most forgettable of all Presidents. Upon taking office in 1937 he does nothing to combat the Depression and sits on the sidelines as fascism advances across Europe and Asia. A painful recession from 1937-1939 sees Landon's popularity plummet and dooms his re-election chances. In 1940, the Democrats nominate businessman and activist Wendell Willkie - a moderate internationalist candidate who promises to revive the economy and support the Allies while keeping America out of war. Willkie defeats Landon handily.

    33. Wendell Willkie (1941-1945), D-NY

    Finally, at long last America recovers from the Great Depression under Willkie. While Willkie's policies had little actual impact on the recovery, Americans are happy to move on to a brighter future. But their newfound comfort won't be enjoyed for long, as the US enters WWII in December 1941. Willkie mobilizes the domestic economy and forges a grand international alliance to defeat the Axis Powers. After his 1944 re-election and a pivotal meeting of the Allied leaders at Yalta, Willkie dies of a massive heart attack - leaving Vice-President Alben Barkley to take charge of the post-war world.
  13. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    Technically speaking a few of a Presidents on this list previously cropped up in a recent post of mine. The "something completely different" here is the POD...
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  14. gap80 gap80

    Jan 16, 2016
    good ol' glorious New Jersey
    In connection to my three-part "Biden, and His Son Barack" write-up (Part 1; Part 2; Part 3):

    List of Presidents, Vice Presidents, and Presidential elections, 1975-2025:
    1974-1977: 38) VP Gerald Ford (MI) / 41) fmr Gov. Nelson Rockefeller (NY)

    1977-1981: Pres. Gerald Ford (MI) / 42) Sen. Paul Laxalt (NV)

    1976 Democratic primary winners (6): Gov. Jimmy Carter (GA), Gov. Jerry Brown (CA), Gov. George Wallace (AL), Rep. Mo Udall (AZ), Sen. Frank Church (ID), Sen. Scoop Jackson (WA)
    1976 Republican primary winners (2): Gerald Ford, fmr Gov. Ronald Reagan (CA)
    1976: Gerald Ford / Paul Laxalt over Jimmy Carter / Sen. Walter Mondale (MN)

    1981-1989: 39) Sen. Joe Biden (DE) / 43) Sen. Dale Bumpers (AR)
    1980 Democratic primary winners (4): Joe Biden, Dale Bumpers, Sen. Ted Kennedy (MA), fmr Gov. Jerry Brown (CA)
    1980 Republican primary winners (3): Ronald Reagan, Rep. John Anderson (IL), fmr Gov. John Connally (TX)
    1980: Joe Biden / Dale Bumpers over Ronald Reagan / Sen. Howard Baker (TN) and Mr. Ed Clark (CA) / Mr. David Koch (KS) (Libertarian)
    1984 Democratic primary winners (2): Joe Biden, Sen. Ernest Hollings (SC)
    1984 Republican primary winners (6): Gov. Bill Clements (TX), fmr State Sec. George H. W. Bush (TX), Sen. Charles Mathias (MD), Paul Laxalt, Sen. Bob Dole (KS), Rep. Jack Kemp (NY)
    1984: Joe Biden / Dale Bumpers over Bill Clements / Sen. Richard Kelly (FL) and Mr. Larry Flynt (CA) / Mr. Russell Means (NM)

    1989-1991: 40) Sen. Richard Snelling (VT) / 44) Gov. Bill Janklow (SD)
    1988 Democratic primary winners (2): Dale Bumpers, Rev. Jesse Jackson (SC)
    1988 Republican primary winners (4): Richard Snelling, Bob Dole, Paul Laxalt, Rev. Pat Robertson (VA)
    1988: Richard Snelling / Bill Janklow over Dale Bumpers / Sen. Paul Simon (IL) (replaced Rep. John M. Murphy (NY)) and fmr Rep. Ron Paul (TX) / state sen. Andre Marrou (AS)

    1991-1991: 41) VP Bill Janklow (SD) / NONE

    1991-2001: Pres. Bill Janklow (SD) / 45) Sen. Phil Gramm (TX)

    1992 Democratic primary winners (8): Gov. James Blanchard (MI), fmr Sen. Tsongas (MA), Amb. Jesse Jackson (SC), Rep. Dick Gephardt (MO), Sen. Jim Folsom Jr. (AL), Sen. Paul Simon (IL), Rep. Bart Gordon (TN), fmr Gov. Richard Riley (GA)
    1992 Republican primary winner (1): Bill Janklow (unopposed)
    1992: Bill Janklow / Phil Gramm over James Blanchard / Gov. Helen Boosalis (KS) and Mr. Frank Zappa (CA) / fmr state rep. Calvin Warburton (NH)
    1996 Democratic primary winners (5): Gov. Buzz Aldrin (NJ), Gov. Paul Wellstone (MN), Sen. Pat Schroeder (CO), fmr Gov. Steve Cowper (AS), fmr Sec. George J. Mitchell (ME)
    1996 Republican primary winners (3): Bill Janklow, fmr Rep. Pat Buchanan (VA), fmr Mayor Arthur Fletcher (DC)
    1996: Bill Janklow / Phil Gramm over Buzz Aldrin / Sen. Toney Anaya (NM), fmr Gov. Victor Atiyeh (OR) / Mr. Steve Forbes (NJ) (Victory), Mr. Dennis Banks (SD) / state assemblyman Charles Barron (NY) (Peace & Freedom) and Mr. Harry Browne (TN) / Dr. Mary Ruwart (TX)

    2001-2009: 42) Sen. Barack Biden (LA) / 46) Sen. Paul Sarbanes (MD)
    2000 Democratic primary winners (6): Barack Biden, Gov. Jay Inslee (WA), fmr Gov. Howard Dean (VT), Gov. Nick Theodore (SC), fmr Sen. Bill Bradley (NJ), Mayor Wellington Webb (CO)
    2000 Republican primary winners (6): Sen. Garrey Carruthers (AZ), Sen. John W. DeCamp (NE), Sen. Conrad Burns (MT), Sen. John McKernan Jr. (ME), Mr. Fred Thompson (CA), Sen. Jodi Rell (CT)
    2000: Barack Biden / Paul Sarbanes over Garrey Carruthers / fmr Gov. John R. McKernan Jr., fmr Sen. Mike Gravel (AS) / state Rep. Carla Howell (MA), Mr. Joel Kovel (NY) / Mr. Bill Smithers (CA) (Green) and Mr. Jerry Rubin (CA) / Mr. Dick Gregory (NY)
    2004 Democratic primary winners (2): Barack Biden (97.1%), State Sen. Randall Terry (2.6% + WV)
    2004 Republican primary winners (5): Mr. Brian P. Burns (MA), Sen. Lamar Alexander (TN), Gov. Luther Strange (AL), Sen. Kay Ivey (AL), Mayor Tom Laughlin (CA)
    2004: Barack Biden / Paul Sarbanes over Brain P. Burns / Sen. Jan Smithers (CA), fmr Lt. Gov. Kenneth James Fanning (AS) / county judge Jim Gray (CA), fmr Rep. Peter Camejo (CA) / fmr state Sen. Henry John Bear (ME) and Mr. Jello Biafra (CA) / Mr. Stephen Gaskin (TN)

    2009-2010: 43) fmr Gov. George J. Terwilliger III (VA) / 47) Sen. Patty Cafferata (NV)
    2008 Democratic primary winners (4): Sen. Bill Quimby (AZ), Sen. Marjorie Osterlund (PA), Gov. Phil Angelides (CA), Sen. Chris Dodd (CT)
    2008 Rep. pri. winners (5): George Terwilliger, fmr AG Rudy Giuliani (NY), Patty Cafferata, ret. Gen. Tony Zinni (VA), Sen. Steve King (IA)
    2008: George J. Terwilliger / Patty Cafferata over Bill Quimby / Rep. Alex Penelas (FL), fmr Sen. John W. DeCamp (NE) / fmr Lt. Gov. Wayne Allen Root (NV), fmr Mayor Tom Laughlin (CA) / Mr. David Cobb (TX) and fmr state Sen. Tom Hayden (CA) / Ms. Grace Ross (MA)

    2010-2010: Pres. George J. Terwilliger III (VA) / NONE

    2010-2013: George J. Terwilliger III / 48) Gov. Terry Branstad (IA)

    2013-2021: 44) Sen. Lisa J. Brown (WA) / 49) Gov. Deval Patrick (MA)

    2012 Democratic primary winners (5): Brown, fmr Sen. Bart Gordon (TN), Sen. Ned Lamont (CT), fmr Sec. Shirley Jackson (MD), Sen. Baron Hill (IN)
    2012 Republican primary winners (2): George J. Terwilliger III (64.7%), fmr Defense Sec. Robert Swan Mueller III (CA) (31.9%)
    2012: Lisa Brown / Deval Patrick over George J. Terwilliger III / Terry Branstad, Mr. Ted Nugent (MI) / fmr Rep. Steve Stockman (TX) (replaced Mr. Homer C. Jones (TX)) (Patriots), Rep. Ron Kovic (CA) / Rep. Bill Lee (VT) and fmr Rep. John Buckley (VA) / fmr Rep. Tom Campbell (CA)
    2016 Democratic primary winners (1): Lisa Brown (unopposed)
    2016 Republican primary winners (6): Gov. Mary Taylor (OH), Sen. Randal Paul (NC), Sen. Joe Barton (TX), fmr Att. Gen. Alberto Gonzales (TX), fmr Gov. Sam Clovis (IA), Sen. Katherine Harris (FL)
    2016: Lisa Brown / Deval Patrick over Mary Taylor / Randal Paul, fmr Rep. Bill Lee (VT) / Deputy Mayor Rebecca Rotzler (NY), fmr Rep. Daniel Peter Gordon Jr. (RI) / Lt. Gen. R. J. Harris (OK) and fmr City Councilman Charles Barron (NY) / state Supreme Court associate justice Leslie Joyce Abrams (GA)

    2021-2025: 45) VP Deval Patrick (MA) / 50) Sen. Jim Matheson (UT)

    2020 Democratic primary winners (2): Deval Patrick, Gov. Mike Ross (AR)
    2020 Republican primary winners (4): Gov. Dan Patrick (TX), fmr Gov. Dennis Michael Lynch (NY), fmr Sen. Luther Strange (AL), Mr. Phil Robertson (LA)
    2020: Deval Patrick / Jim Matheson over Dan Patrick / Rep. Trey Radel (FL), fmr WH Press. Sec. Mary Jo Matalin (IL) / state sen. Mark Benson Madsen (UT) and fmr Mayor Jason West (NY) / fmr Lt. Gov. Nina Turner (OH)

    2025-present (2026): 46) Gov. Markwayne Mullin (OK) / 51) Gen. Tony Zinni (VA)
    2024 Democratic primary winners (1): Deval Patrick (unopposed)
    2024 Republican primary winners (3): Markwayne Mullin, Gov. Paul Mango (PA), Sen. Thomas Massie (KY)
    2024: Markwayne Mullin / Tony Zinni over Deval Patrick / Jim Matheson, state sen. Brandon Phinney (NH) / fmr state Agriculture Sec. Barry Hess (AZ), Mr. Viggo Mortensen (CA) / fmr state sen. Cameron A. Gordon (MN) and state rep. Rosebud Lakota (MN) / fmr state sen. Frosty Boss Ribs (MT)

    Simplified List of US Presidents:
    1974-1981: 38) Gerald Rudolph "Jerry" Ford Jr. (b. 7/14/1913 in NE – d. 7/26/2006 in CA, arteriosclerotic cerebrovascular disease and diffuse arteriosclerosis, age 93) – age in office: 61-67 – previous occupations: US Congressman from Michigan 1949-1973, US House Republican Conference Chair 1963-1965, US House Minority Leader 1965-1973, US VP 1973-1974
    1981-1989: 39) Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden Jr. (b. 11/20/1942 in PA – still alive as of 6/1/2026, age 83) – age in office: 42-50 – previous occupations: city council 1970-1972, US Senator from Delaware 1973-1980
    1989-1991: 40) Richard Arkwright Snelling (b. 2/18/1927 in PA – d. 5/13/1991 in DC, heart attack, age 64) – age in office: 61-64 – previous occupations: state representative 1959-1960/1973-1977, Vermont Governor 1977-1981/1983-1989
    1991-2001: 41) William John “Bill” Janklow (b. 9/13/1939 in IL – d. 11/11/2011 in SD, terminal brain cancer, age 72) – age in office: 51-61 – previous occupations: state Attorney General 1975-1979, South Dakota Governor 1979-1987, US VP 1989-1991
    2001-2009: 42) Barack Hussein Biden Sr. (b. 8/4/1961 in HI – still alive as of 6/1/2026, age 64) – age in office: 39-47 – previous occupation: US Senator from Louisiana 1997-2001
    2009-2013: 43) George J. Terwilliger III (b. 6/5/1950 in NJ – still alive as of 6/1/2026, age 75) – age in office: 58-62 – previous occupations: US Attorney for the District of Vermont 1987-1991, US Deputy Attorney General 1991-1993, US Attorney General 1993-1997, FBI Director 1997-2001, Virginia Governor 2002-2006
    2013-2021: 44) Lisa J. Brown (b. 10/9/1956 in IL – still alive as of 6/1/2026, age 69) – age in office: 56-64 – previous occupations: professor 1981-2005, State HoR 1993-1995, State Senate 1995-2005, State Senate Majority leader 2003-2005, US Senator from Washington 2005-2013
    2021-2025: 45) Deval Laurdine Patrick (b. 7/31/1956 in IL – still alive as of 6/1/2026, age 69) – age in office: 64-68 – previous occupations: state AG 1995-2001, Assistant US AG 2001-2005, Massachusetts Governor 2007-2012, VP 2013-2021
    2025-present (2026): 46) Markwayne Mullin (b. 7/26/1977 in OK – still alive as of 6/1/2026, age 47) – previous occupations: US HoR 2013-2019, Oklahoma Governor 2019-2024
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  15. Frank Hart When Your Hometown Doesn't Feel Like Home

    Jul 12, 2017
    Hong Kong
    Not quite ASB if I must say, though it is a little bit implausible. Russia in the EU will frighten China to be honest.
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  16. The_Russian Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2017
    My thinking was “if Poland can do it, a western Russia could”
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  17. DrWalpurgis ha ha ha OH WELL

    Jun 24, 2018
    Sussex by the sea
    These are some impressively hipster choices. Nice work!
    Also, I'm assuming that the party in pink is some kind of Left alternative?
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  18. Oppo Christian socialist

    Apr 24, 2016


    1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson/Vacant (Democratic)
    1965-1968: Lyndon B. Johnson/Billy Graham (Democratic)
    1964 def. Richard Nixon/John J. Williams (Republican), George Wallace/Billy Graham (Unpledged Electors)
    1968-1969: Billy Graham/Vacant (Democratic)
    1969-1977: Billy Graham/Walter Reuther (Democratic)
    1968 def. George Romney/Claude Kirk (Republican)
    1972 def. Ronald Reagan/Howard Baker (Republican)

    1977-0000: Millicent Fenwick/John Tower (Republican)
    1976 def. Robert F. Kennedy/Dale Bumpers (Democratic)

    Following the brokered 1964 Republican Convention that brought Richard Nixon's name back on the front stage of politics, Lyndon B. Johnson became worried that his legacy would be destroyed in the upcoming presidential election. In a surprise announcement, Johnson announced Reverand Billy Graham as his running mate. Graham, who was one of the most admired men in America, was a great assistance in the landslide victory against Nixon and Wallace. Graham would mostly use his political position for ceremonial roles and not get bogged down into policy. Coming into the 1968 Democratic Convention, Graham stayed out of the heated campaign between President Johnson and Robert F. Kennedy. This changed once Johnson was assassinated upon entering Chicago, as the convention turned to him as a compromise candidate. With the fiery UAW President Walter Reuther at his side, Graham won a landslide victory against the disastrous campaign of Governor Romney. Graham tenure in office would be the start of a load of new policies, including Universal Basic Income, a National Health Service, and the appointments of Chief Justice Brennan, Justices Thornberry, Byrd, and Jenner. Foreign policy wise, Graham established peace in Vietnam (largely due to North Vietnam's fear of the Chinese Commune) and improved relations with Kim Il-sung of North Korea. However, Graham was still a staunch anti-Soviet, supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur War and Portugal against colonial revolts. Overall, Billy Graham has been remembered not only for his evangelization work but for one of the greatest post-war presidencies.

    1964-1975: Leonid Brezhnev (Communist)
    1975-0000: Nikolai Podgorny (Communist)

    Brezhnev dies earlier on and is replaced by Podgorny, who keeps up Cold War tensions and continues hardline policies at home.

    1949-1967: Mao Zedong (Communist - First Generation)
    1967-1968: Jiang Qing (Communist - First Generation)
    1968-0000: Wang Hongwen (Communist - Red Guards)

    Mao Zedong purges his successor-in-waiting Lin Biao four years earlier than IOTL. Soon after, Mao falls into serious illness and hands over much of his powers to Jiang Qing. Despite support from Mao, the party establishment despises her and the Red Guards refused to obey Bejing's orders. Jiang attempts to invite the Red Guards into government, but they soon turn on her and seize control of the party. The new regime remains a pariah state, with neither the Soviets or Americans willing to engage in diplomacy. The government of Chiang Kai-shek and his son Chiang Wei-Kuo continues to be recognized by the Western world and US allies in Asia.

    1964-1972: Harold Wilson (Labour)
    1964 (Majority) def. Alec Douglas-Home (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
    1966 (Majority) def. Edward Heath (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
    1970 (Majority) def. Edward Heath (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)

    1972-1974: Roy Jenkins (Labour majority)
    1974-1977: Iain Macleod (Conservative)
    1974 (Majority) def. Roy Jenkins (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
    1977-1977: Robert Carr (Conservative minority)
    1977-0000: Tony Benn (Labour)
    1977 (Majority) def. Robert Carr (Conservative), Roy Jenkins (Liberal)

    Wilson wins reelection over Heath and steps down for Jenkins two years later. Jenkins' tenure sparks division on European issues and nationalization from leftists in the party. Continued instability allows for Macleod to take power, but his frail condition and unpopular austerity budgets hurt the Conservatives in the eyes of the voters. In 1977, the Tories are met with Macleod dying in office, Carr's figurehead leadership, a loss in confidence, and the Bennite Labour victory.

    1958-1971: Charles de Gaulle (UNR)
    1958 def. George Marrane (PCF), Albert Châtelet (UFD)
    1965 def. François Mitterand (FGDS), Jean Lecanuet (MRP), Jean-Louis Tixier-Vigancour (DVED)

    1971-0000: Jacques Chaban-Delmas (UNR)
    1971 def. François Mitterand (PS), Jean Lecanuet (MR), Jacques Duclos (PCF)
    1977 def. Pierre Mauroy (PS), Pierre Abelin (MR)

    The 1969 referendum passes and de Gaulle secures even more of his legacy from his amendments and two more years in office. With Pompidou in bad health and discredited by his opposition to de Gaulle, Prime Minister Chaban-Delmas takes over following The Constable's passing and is reelected to two more terms.
  19. ChangeofPase New Member

    Dec 27, 2007
    Pretty ASB but was a fun way to kill an afternoon.

    1977-81: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
    def: Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford
    - Reagan defeated Ford in the primary by a hair and electors at the convention agreed upon a joint ticket.

    1981-85: George H.W. Bush/Bob Dole
    def: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale

    1985-93: Ted Kennedy/Jesse Jackson
    def: George H.W. Bush/Bob Dole
    def: Bob Dole/John Connally

    1993-97: Pat Buchanan/Dick Cheney
    def: John Glenn/Dick Gerphardt

    1997-2001: Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton
    def: Pat Buchanan/Dick Cheney

    2001-09: Howard Dean/Bill Bradley
    def: Newt Gingrich/George Pataki
    def: George Bush/Jeb Bush

    2009-12: Mitt Romney/J.C. Watts
    def: Hillary Clinton/Evan Bayh
    - Vice President Watts resigns in 2012, citing intense frustrations with the party's stance on racial issues

    2012-17: Mitt Romney/Linda Lingle
    def: Deval Patrick/Sherrod Brown

    2017-21: Jim Justice/John Huntsman Jr.
    def: Tim Kaine/Mazie Hirono, Howard Schultz/Bill Weld
    - President Justice is indicted in the spring of 2020 and agrees to not seek re-election to avoid criminal proceedings.

    2021-29: Elizabeth Warren/Andrew Gillum
    - Senator Al Franken originally defeats Cory Booker in the primaries, but is accused by multiple women of sexual assault days before the DNC convention. The electors agree to throw their votes to Senator Elizabeth Warren.
    def: Nikki Haley/Larry Hogan
    def: Charlie Baker/Rick Scott

    2029-33: Tim Ryan/Muriel Bowser
    def: Mike Pence/Marco Rubio

    2033-41: Doug Ducey/Joni Ernst
    def: Tim Ryan/Muriel Bowser
    def: Stacey Abrams/Tammy Duckworth

    2041-??: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Pete Buttigieg
    def: Tom Cotton/Liz Cheney

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  20. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

    Sep 5, 2010
    Inspired by @Glen's long-ago Dominion of Southern America TL, I decided to do a list of PMs of an alternate DSA like that one.

    Prime Ministers of the Dominion of Southern America
    Alexander H. Stephens (Liberal) 1867-1876
    1867: def. Wade Hampton III (Conservative) and Andrew Johnson (Workingmen's)
    1871: def. P. G.T. Beauregard (Conservative)
    John Tyler Morgan (Conservative) 1876-1889

    1876: def. Alexander H. Stephens (Liberal)
    1881: def. Joseph E. Brown (Liberal)
    1885: def. John H. Reagan (Liberal)
    John Brown Gordon (Conservative) 1889-1891
    1889: def. John H. Reagan (Liberal)
    Robert Love Taylor (Liberal) 1891-1903
    1891: def. John Brown Gordon (Conservative) and Jim Hogg (Labour Committee)
    1895: def. Benjamin Tillman (Conservative) and Jim Hogg (Labour Committee)
    1899: def. John Newton Pharr (Conservative), Frank Burkitt (Labour) and Benjamin Tillman (Constitutional)
    Joseph Weldon Bailey (Conservative) 1903-1907
    1903: def. Robert Love Taylor (Liberal) and Marion Butler (Labour)
    John Sharp Williams (Liberal, then Liberal-led National Government) 1907-1919
    1907: def. Joseph Weldon Bailey (Conservative), Thomas E. Watson (Labour) and Octaviano Larrazolo (Hispanic Parliamentary)
    1911: def. Joseph Weldon Bailey (Conservative), James K. Vardaman (Labour) and Octaviano Larrazolo (Hispanic Parliamentary)
    Morris Sheppard (Liberal-led National Government, then Liberal) 1919-1921
    1919: def. Thomas Campbell (Conservative), James K. Vardaman (Labour) and Sidney J. Catts (Constitutional)
    Thomas Campbell (Conservative) 1921-1928
    1921: def. Morris Sheppard (Liberal) and William H. Murray (Labour)
    1923: def. William H. Murray (Labour), Morris Sheppard (Liberal) and M. Hoke Smith (Independent Liberal)
    William H. Murray (Labour-Liberal coalition) 1928-1931
    1928: def. Thomas Campbell (Conservative) and Robert L. Owen (Liberal)
    George Berry (Labour-Liberal coalition) 1931-1933
    James F. Byrnes (Conservative-National Liberal coalition, then Conservative-led Wartime Coalition) 1933-1945
    1931: def. George Berry (Labour), Robert L. Owen (Liberal), Kenneth McKellar (National Liberal) and Huey Long (Common Wealth)
    1936: def. William Bankhead (Labour), Kenneth McKellar (National Liberal), Pat Harrison (Liberal) and Huey Long (Common Wealth)
    Burnet Maybank (Conservative-led Wartime Coalition) 1945-1946
    Sam Rayburn (Labour) 1946-1953
    1946: def. Burnet Maybank (Conservative) and Allen J. Ellender (Liberal)
    1951: def. Spessard Holland (Conservative) and Allen J. Ellender (Liberal)
    Jim Folsom (Labour) 1953-1955
    Spessard Holland (Conservative) 1955-1963
    1955: def. Jim Folsom (Labour) and Allen J. Ellender (Liberal)
    1959: def. Jim Folsom (Labour) and Carl Albert (Liberal)
    Lyndon B. Johnson (Labour, then Labour-Democratic Congress coalition) 1963-1975
    1963: def. Spessard Holland (Conservative) and Carl Albert (Liberal)
    1967: def. John Sparkman (Conservative), Orval Faubus (Southron Labour) and Carl Albert (Liberal)
    1971: def. Michael King (Democratic Congress), John Connally (Conservative), Orval Faubus (Southron Labour) and Carl Albert (Liberal)
    Lane Kirkland (Labour-Democratic Congress coalition) 1975-1977
    John Connally (Conservative minority with support from Southron, then Conservative) 1977-1985
    1977: def. Lane Kirkland (Labour), Michael King (Democratic Congress), Lloyd Bentsen (Liberal) and Lester Maddox (Southron)
    1981: def. Fred Harris (Labour), Ralph Abernathy (Democratic Congress), Lloyd Bentsen (Liberal) and Larry McDonald (Southron)
    1984: def. George Wallace (Labour), Ralph Abernathy (Democratic Congress), Lloyd Bentsen (Liberal) and Larry McDonald (Southron)
    Lamar Alexander (Conservative) 1985-1991
    1987: def. Jeane Jordan (Labour), Ralph Abernathy (Democratic Congress), Lloyd Bentsen (Liberal) and Larry McDonald (Southron)
    Edwin Edwards (Labour-Liberal coalition, then Labour) 1991-2002
    1991: def. Lamar Alexander (Conservative), John Lewis (Democratic Congress), Al Gore (Liberal) and Larry McDonald (Southron)
    1995: def. Lamar Alexander (Conservative), John Lewis (Democratic Congress), David Duke (Southron) and Al Gore (Liberal)
    1999: def. John Lewis (Democratic Congress), Richard Shelby (Conservative), Bruce Babbitt (Liberal) and Evan Mecham (Southron)
    Fidel Castro (Labour) 2002-2003
    Phil Bredesen (Conservative minority with support from Southron, then Conservative) 2003-2010
    2003: def. John Lewis (Democratic Congress), Fidel Castro (Labour), Bruce Babbitt (Liberal) and Jeff Sessions (Southron)
    2007: def. Mickey Leland (Labour), John Lewis (Democratic Congress), Bruce Babbitt (Liberal) and Jeff Sessions (Southron)
    Abel Maldonado (Conservative, then Conservative minority) 2010-2015
    2011: def. Chris Bell (Labour), John Lewis (Democratic Congress), and Alex Sink (Liberal)
    2015: def. Ben Ray Luján (Labour), Jim Clyburn (Democratic Congress), Cindy Hyde-Smith (Southron Values) and Alex Sink (Liberal)
    Bill Frist (Conservative-Southron Values coalition) 2015-2019
    Kamala Harris (Labour-Democratic Congress-Liberal coalition) 2019-present
    2019: def. Bill Frist (Conservative), Jim Clyburn (Democratic Congress), Alex Sink (Liberal) and Cindy Hyde-Smith (Southron Values)