List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Asami, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. DrWalpurgis ha ha ha OH WELL

    Jun 24, 2018
    Sussex by the sea
    JonTron's just mad he lost to Toby Fox.
  2. CapitalistHippie Peace, love, and free markets.

    Apr 11, 2018
    I guess you could say he had a bad time :)
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  3. TooManyIdeas Giving Al Gore flashbacks since 2017

    Jul 8, 2017
    Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
  4. Frank Hart When Your Hometown Doesn't Feel Like Home

    Jul 12, 2017
    Hong Kong
    Apart from Zuckerberg and *possibly* Kanye, I don't see any serious bids at the presidency. And with the former...

  5. CapitalistHippie Peace, love, and free markets.

    Apr 11, 2018
    To be fair if you asked anyone in 2012 about a 2016 Trump bid they probably wouldn’t take it seriously either
  6. Frank Hart When Your Hometown Doesn't Feel Like Home

    Jul 12, 2017
    Hong Kong
    But Trump did have a serious campaign 16 years earlier, under the Reform Party...
  7. TooManyIdeas Giving Al Gore flashbacks since 2017

    Jul 8, 2017
    tbf Reform Party 2000 isn't the most "serious"
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  8. Frank Hart When Your Hometown Doesn't Feel Like Home

    Jul 12, 2017
    Hong Kong
    Okay, you're right on that, but still a campaign.
  9. SandroPertini98 Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2018
    Presidents of Republic of Georgia:
    Thomas William Hardwick 1929-1933 D
    Eugene Talmadge 1933-1937 W
    Richard Brevard Russell Jr 1937-1941 D
    Eugene Talmadge 1941-1946 W (Change the Constitution to allow consecutive terms)
    Herman Eugene Talmadge 1946-1957 W
    Samuel Marvin Griffin Sr 1957-1965 W

    Carl Edward Sanders Sr 1965-1969 D
    Lester Garfield Maddox Sr 1969-1977 W
    James Earl Carter 1977-1985 W
    Zell Bryan Miller 1985-1993 W

    Roy Eugene Barnes 1993-1997 D
    Joseph Maxwell Cleland 1997-2005 W
    Clarence Saxby Chambliss 2005-2009 W

    Samuel Augustus Nunn Sr 2009-2013 D
    Newton LeRoy Gingrich 2013-... W
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  10. Masteroftheuniverse Enemy of the people

    Nov 12, 2012
  11. Gentleman Biaggi Leader of the bisexual agenda

    Oct 14, 2016
    Oregonian Montana
    Can anyone tell what president Grande is saying?
    Hey this gives me an idea!
    Ariana Grande/Nayvadius Wilburn 2065-2069
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  12. MikeTheLeftie98 Loyal Supporter of President Hoffa

    Mar 18, 2017
    North Country NY
    90% of this makes me want to shoot myself, but i'm deeply supportive of President Grande.
  13. Ben Crouch Semi-Pro NASCAR historian.

    Jan 19, 2018
    Abingdon Maryland
    Please replace Logan Paul with Doug DeMuro. T H I S is America
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  14. SandroPertini98 Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2018
    Presidents of Christian Republic of Alabama:
    David Bibb Graves 1927-1931 Whigh
    Hugo Black 1931-1935 W
    David Bibb Graves 1935-1939 W
    Hugo Black 1939-1943 W
    Frank Murray Dixon 1943-1947 W
    George Chauncey Sparks 1947-1951 W
    Leven Handy Ellis 1951-1955 W

    James Elisha Folsom Sr 1955-1959 Ind
    John Malcom Patterson 1959-1963 W
    Theophilus Eugene "Bull" Connor 1963-1967 W

    George Corley Wallace Sr 1967-1975 Independent Alabama Party (Changed the Constitution to allow consecutive terms)
    Albert Preston Brewer 1975-1983 IAP
    William Joseph Baxley II 1983-1987 IAP

    Harold Guy Hunt 1987-1992 (Impeached) W
    Charles Allen Graddick Sr 1992-1995 W

    Forrest Hood James Jr 1995-1999 IAP
    Winston Blount 1999-2003 W
    Donald Eugene Siegelman 2003-2006 (Impeached) IAP
    James Elisha Folsom Jr 2006-2007 IAP

    Robert Renfroe Riley 2007-2015 W
    Robert Julian Bentley 2015-2017 (Resigned) W
    Roy Moore 2017-... W

    Presidents of Federal Republic of Louisiana:
    Huey Pierce Long Jr 1928-1935 People's Democratic Party (Changes the Constitution to allow illimeted consecutive terms)
    Alvin Olin King 1935-1936 PDP
    Earl Kemp Long 1936-1951 (Resigned due Health Reasons) PDP
    Lether Edward Frazar 1951-1960 PDP

    James Houston Davis 1960-1968 W (An Amendament is passed to limit the Presidency to two terms)
    Russell Billiu Long 1968-1976 PDP
    John Julian McKeithen 1976-1984 PDP
    Edwin Washigton Edwards 1984-1992 PDP

    David Ernst Duke 1992-1997 (Assassinated) W
    Robert Linlightow Livingston 1997-1999 (Resigned due a sex scandal) W
    Murphy James Foster 1999-2008 W

    Russell Honoré 2008-2012 PDP
    David Vitter 2012-... W
  15. theev Suede-Denim Secret Police

    May 7, 2015
    1953-1957: Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (Republican)
    1952: Adlai Stevenson/John Sparkman (Democratic)
    1957-1961: Dwight Eisenhower/Harold Stassen (Republican)
    1956: Richard Russell/Happy Chandler (States' Rights) , Adlai Stevenson/John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
    1961-1962: Harold Stassen/Philip Willkie (Republican)
    1960: Barry Goldwater/Harry F. Byrd (States' Rights) , G. Mennen Williams/Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
    1962-1965: Philip Willkie/Vacant (Republican)
    1965-1973: Billy Graham/Gerald Ford (Republican)

    1964: George Wallace/Ross Barnett (States' Rights) , Hubert Humphrey/Thomas J. Dodd (Democratic)
    1968: Edwin Walker/Orval Faubus (States' Rights) , Ed Muskie/Abraham Ribicoff (Democratic)

    1973-1977: Curtis LeMay/Orville Hubbard (States' Rights)
    1972: Walter Reuther/Patrick Lucey (Democratic) , Spiro T. Agnew/Bill Brock (Republican) , Jim Jones/Roy Innes ("Righteous" Democratic)
    1977-1981: Jerry Brown/Peter Rodino (Democratic)
    1976: Curtis LeMay/Orville Hubbard (States' Rights) , Jim Jones/Daniel Patrick Moynihan (National Democratic) , Bill Brock/Anne Armstrong (Republican)
    1981-1989: Jerry Falwell/Guy Vander Jagt (States' Rights/Republican)
    1980: Jim Jones/Edwin Edwards (National Democratic) , Edward M. Kennedy/Walter Mondale (Democratic) , Jerry Brown/Frank Church (Independent)
    1984: Walter Mondale/Michael Dukakis (Democratic) , Jim Jones/Jesse Jackson (National Democratic)

    1989-1990: Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson (States' Rights)
    1988: Chris Dodd/Mario Cuomo (Democratic) , Jesse Jackson/Various (National Democratic)
    1990-1990: Pat Robertson/Vacant (States' Rights)
    1990-1993: Pat Robertson/Robert Dornan (States' Rights)
    1993-1998: Pat Robertson/Tim LaHaye (States' Rights)

    1992: Bob Dornan/Dan Quayle (Independent) , Paul Tsongas/Pat Leahy ("Northeastern" Democratic) , Kathleen Brown/William Gates III ("Pacifican" Democratic) , Paul Simon/Skip Humphrey ("Midwestern" Democratic)
    1996: None

    1998-1998: Tim LaHaye/Vacant (States' Rights)
    1998-1998: John B. Anderson/Vacant (States' Rights)
    1998-1999: Phyllis Schlafly (States' Rights)
    1999-1999: Jack Chick (States' Rights)
    1999-2000: Wesley Clark (United Nations backed American Reclamation Force)
    2000-2001: Wesley Clark/Tommy Franks/Colin Powell (American Reclamation Force interim government)
    2001-2001: Wesley Clark/Tommy Franks (Reclamation and Recovery)

    2000: Peter Camejo/Bernard Sanders (Socialism and Liberation) , Barry Goldwater Jr./Ron Paul (Liberty) , Various "Traditionalist" Parties
    2001-2001: Tommy Franks/Vacant (Reclamation and Recovery)
    2001-2009: Tommy Franks/James Mattis (Reclamation and Recovery)

    2004: Various
    2009-2013: John O. Brennan/John McCain (Alliance)
    2008: James Mattis/David Petraeus (Reclamation and Recovery) , Ron Paul/Various (Independent)
    2013-2016: Martha McSally/Michael Flynn (Reclamation and Recovery)
    2012: John O. Brennan/Tammy Duckworth (Left Alliance) , Stanley McChrystal/James Comey (Right Alliance) , Ron Paul/Jim Gray (Independent)
    2016-2016: Michael Flynn/Vacant (Reclamation and Recovery)
    2016-0000: Michael Flynn/Joe Arpaio (Reclamation and Recovery)

    2016: Postponed

    This one was mostly made to deal with an interesting POD and a common misconception about the religious right.

    So, Stanley Reed is not persuaded to join the majority in Brown v. Board and instead writes a dissent. This dissent, as Warren predicted, inflames tensions in the South considerably and before long any Southern politician who wants to make a name for himself has to know it by heart, or at least pretend that they do. This, as I'm sure you can imagine, complicates things considerably for the Eisenhower administration, who ultimately take a pro-civil rights stance and select a running mate for re election who better reflects that. The Democrats split up around this time as segregationists bail on a party that also firmly backs civil rights in its platform. They powerfully electorally wield their bloc of southern states in the coming elections as Democrats are reduced to Northern urban centers and Republicans dominate the next few election cycles.

    The 1960 election is fairly close though VP Stassen does prevail over his former, bitter primary challenger and a staunchly liberal Democratic ticket. About a year and a half into his presidency, Stassen is assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald on a midterm campaign stop. This leaves the young Willkie to fill in his shoes and he struggles. This only gets worse after an investigation into his financial activities as a private citizen is opened, though he is able to broker an agreement with Republican congressional leaders that he will step aside in 1964 if they do not join Democrats or States' Rightists in impeachment proceedings. Republicans, wary of the firebrand to their right and the experienced campaigner to their left, look to an unorthodox candidate. Billy Graham is drafted in an attempt to limit the influence of religious organizations in aiding the States' Rights party, as they had been doing for the previous decade. This is only partially successful, Graham wins with a commanding majority though his ties to very stubbornly right wing groups will complicate and shadow his presidency.

    This all comes to a head when Graham, following a narrow re election victory, completely bungles up the Mongolian Crisis of 1969 and America watches in horror as the Soviet Union annihilates the PRC with nuclear weaponry. This failure, and the failures to follow in trying to lead the resulting recovery doom Graham and the Republicans, causing massive midterm losses and a failed impeachment attempt. The 1972 campaign is a close one between the States' Rightists and the Democrats though a Democratic splitter ticket ultimately dooms them. LeMay's administration tries to balance military posturing with red meat thrown the way of a deeply socially conservative base but the whole thing falls apart when promised economic growth fails to materialize. Following this, the staunchly progressive freshman governor of California takes over the reigns of government and pushes his agenda forcefully. This doesn't work too well with a hostile congress and Brown's administration soon collapses.

    Jerry Falwell prevails over a hopelessly splintered Democratic Party with the help of a dying Republican Party. Falwell immediately sets himself to enacting dominionist and generally authoritarian policies. Winning re election forcefully, Falwell cements his presidency by removing presidential term limits, with the needed assistance of Vice President Vander Jagt. For 1988, Falwell goes for die-hard religious by selecting Pat Robertson as his running mate. They win in a deeply flawed election and go onto implement more dominionist policies until Falwell, is killed when a bomb destroys the bridge his motorcade was driving over. Robertson takes over and begins implementing more authoritarian policies, using Falwell's death as an impetus. Facing only occasional regional opposition, and an energetic independent campaign by his now excluded former VP Bob Dornan, Robertson achieves easy re election.

    As the last vestiges of American democracy get whittled away, an American military establishment that had been growing since the Mongolian Crisis certainly, but really back since World War 2, had finally realized they had enough and turned their guns on Robertson and his dominionist government in the summer of 1995. The Second American Civil War was an arduous campaign though always winnable for the quickly internationally recognized and supported American Reclamation Force. The house of cards began to fall apart in the summer of 1998 for Robertson's government after his own death in an air raid following quickly by his former Vice President's in a car bomb. New congressional leader and House Speaker John B. Anderson took the reigns of government after that though hints at some moderate tendencies and a willingness to negotiate with the 'ARF' caused a coup by Robertson's cabinet in the early fall. This would give control of government to States' Rights die hard Phyllis Schlafly whose death in a firefight during the Storming of Indianapolis, the largest remaining dominionist stronghold, would give control of government briefly to the master dominionist propagandist, Jack Chick, who, with the remaining members of his cabinet, would be captured by ARF forces in the summer of 1999, officially ending the Civil War though guerrilla campaigns in favor of the dominionists would continue to operate for years to come in the South and Midwest.

    Wesley Clark and the other leaders of the ARF would soon re establish constitutional governance and undo many of the authoritarian policies of the last couple decades. Clark would serve as the nation's first post-dominionist president before being quickly killed by an unknown assassin. The more conservative ARF leader and Vice President Tommy Franks would take over and institute more authoritarian measures in an effort to find the groups that were responsible for President Clark's death. While, Clark's killers would never be found, this is all that was needed for President Franks to support enough limitations to create a sham election that harkened back to the days of Falwell and Robertson. In his second term, Frank would lift enough of these restrictions to hold a fair election as opposition parties to the ruling Reclamation and Recovery Party allied in an attempt to unseat them. They would be successful in this and John Brennan would take over as President before watching his coalition collapse and splinter. This caused a return to power for the old 'R&R' government under Martha McSally in the 2012 election. McSally's assasination while on the 2016 campaign trail caused the ascension of her more conservative Vice President Mike Flynn, who immediately set about crafting more authoritarian measures to find McSally's killers and reinstill order in a country that he now saw as chaotic. Civil liberties were curtailed, the 2016 election was postponed, and as Professor Barack Obama said, "Flynn made a dominionist government but without the Christianity."
  16. CapitalistHippie Peace, love, and free markets.

    Apr 11, 2018
    The Age of Trump
    Donald Trump/Mike Pence 2017-2025

    Donald Trump, Jr./Tom Cotton 2025-2033

    Ivanka Trump/Marco Rubio 2033-2041

    Jared Kushner/George P. Bush 2041-2049

    Tiffany Trump/Dan Crenshaw 2049-2057

    Barron Trump/North West 2057-2065

    Luke Trump/Jake Paul 2065-2073

    Theodore Kushner/CJ Pearson 2073-

    And y'all thought my last list was dystopian.
  17. Ben Crouch Semi-Pro NASCAR historian.

    Jan 19, 2018
    Abingdon Maryland
    Someone has a Paul brothers fetish
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  18. CapitalistHippie Peace, love, and free markets.

    Apr 11, 2018
    Hey, they work great as future dystopian politicians.
  19. Ben Crouch Semi-Pro NASCAR historian.

    Jan 19, 2018
    Abingdon Maryland
    Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr (R) 1960-68

    Robert Kennedy/George McGovern (D) 1969-76

    George McGovern/Walter Mondale (D) 1977-80

    Ronald Reagan/George Herbert Walker Bush (R) 1981-88

    George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle (R) 1989-92

    H.Ross Perot/Dick Lamm (Reform) 1993-2000

    Donald Trump/ Gen. Norm Schawrzkopf Jr (Reform) 2001-08
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  20. Joshua Ben Ari Well-Known Member

    Jan 16, 2011
    New England
    A quasi-sequel and update to this list (here). It's not quite finished, which is why the New England portion isn't filled it yet, but I do have plans for this.

    Presidents of the United States

    01. 1789-1797: George Washington (Nonpartisan - VA)
    1788-89: Unopposed
    1792-92: Unopposed

    02. 1797-1801: John Adams (Federalist - MA)
    1796: Thomas Jefferson / Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)
    03. 1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican - VA)
    1800: John Adams / Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist)
    1804: Charles C. Pinckney / Rufus King (Federalist)

    04. 1809-1814: James Madison‡ (Democratic-Republican - VA)
    1808: Charles C. Pinckney / Rufus King (Federalist)
    1812: DeWitt Clinton / Jared Ingersoll (Federalist)

    05. 1814-1814: Elbridge Gerry‡ (Democratic-Republican - MA) [1]
    xx. 1814-1817: Disputed (Democratic-Republican) [2]
    1815: President pro tempore John Gaillard / Daniel D. Tompkins (Democratic-Republican) [3]
    Claimants 1814-1817: Secretary of State and Secretary of War James Monroe (DR-VA), President pro tempore of the United States Senate John Gaillard (DR-SC)

    [1] James Madison was killed in the Battle of Bladensburg, Vice President Elbridge Gerry proclaims himself President. However, members of the Cabinet viewed him only as Acting President, refer to him as such, and until the 1816 presidential election the post of President be held as a power-sharing agreement. Gerry's earlier death than OTL fuels the fire and allows Secretary of State James Monroe to take over the reins of government and start acting more and more like a President.

    [2] The Senate selected South Carolina Senator John Gaillard as President pro tempore and, thus, Acting President. Gaillard views his title as Acting President without the preceding word - he is President. This is disputed by Secretary of State and Secretary of War James Monroe and members of the Cabinet. Pro-Gaillard Democratic-Republicans urge Gaillard to use the Presidential Succession Act of 1792 and hold an election in December 1815. Tensions rise between John Gaillard and James Monroe, leading to contradictory orders being issued to generals and armies, allowing the British to cross back into the United States and win even more victories. Anti-war Democratic-Republicans and the Federalist see a sharp rise as the roving administration is wracked by political gridlock.

    [3] The December 1815 presidential election, organized by pro-Gaillard Democratic-Republicans, is declared illegitimate by Secretary Monroe and results null. (Acting) President John Gaillard declares that James Madison is attempting to suspend the Constitution and prevent him from ascending to his rightful post. American arms are starting to be aimed at American arms. And in Hartford, Connecticut there are whispers between New England, New York, and New Jersey of a possible union...

    American Civil War (1815-1817)

    It finally came to a head, the civil war. After American forces are smashed at Plattsburgh, and after the fall of Fort McHenry, the War of 1812 devolves into three main American forces: pro-Gaillard forces, pro-Monroe forces, and New Englander (including New Yorkers and New Jerseyans) rebel forces. The American economy tanks from the stresses of warfare against fellow Americans, the British (and their Canadian militias and Native American allies), and New Englander (and New Yorker and New Jerseyan militias) forces.

    New Englander forces won their chief battle against pro-Monroe militias at the Battle of Schenectady, when they had attempted to march on Albany. A joint force of Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New York militias held the line against the pro-Monroe onslaught. A second victory was won at the Battle of Elizabeth, in New Jersey, with a combined New York-New Jersey militia. By mid-1816, the New Englanders had forced nearly all vestiges of American forces from their territory, save a few holdouts along the New Jersey-New York-Pennsylvania border.

    Pro-Monroe forces lost their final battle outside Philadelphia against pro-Gaillard militias and surrendered or broke, leaving Monroe as the president of a pile of rubble. The Treaty of Ghent, signed in February 1817, ended the civil war and solidified the post-war settlement. The three territories - Michigan, Illinois, and Indiana - north of the Greenville Treaty Line are to be ceded to British Canada, while the United States was forced to recognize the Commonwealth of New England and renounce all claims to it. The District of Louisiana and the District of Orleans are to be held as illegally gained from the Spanish, and thus to be transferred back to Spain, while the port of New Orleans was to become a joint Anglo-Spanish condominium.

    The special election of 1815 was agreed to be valid, and John Gaillard was the legitimate president. However, to keep the four-year election cycle started by George Washington, both Secretary Monroe and President Gaillard agreed that the next presidential election to be in 1820. Thus, there was no United States presidential election in 1816.

    Presidents of the United States (1817-present)
    06. 1816-1821: John Gaillard (Democratic-Republican - SC)
    1815: Unopposed, election protested and boycotted by Secretary of State James Monroe
    1821-1829: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
    1820: Henry Clay / John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican)
    1824: William Crawford / Andrew Jackson (Democratic-Republican)

    08. 1829-1837: Andrew Jackson (Democratic-Republican; later Democratic)
    1828: William Henry Harrison / Hugh White (Whig)
    1832: Hugh White / Willie Mangum (Whig)

    09. 1837-1845: William Henry Harrison (Whig)
    1836: Philip P. Barbour / Richard M. Johnson (Democratic)
    1840: James K. Polk / James Buchanan (Democratic)

    10. 1845-1853: James Buchanan (Democratic)
    1844: Henry Clay / John Sergeant (Whig)
    1848: Winfield Scott / Zachary Taylor (Whig)

    11. 1853-1857: Winfield Scott (Whig)
    1852: Stephen Douglas / Henry Dodge (Democratic)
    12. 1857-1861: John C. Breckinridge (Democratic)
    1856: Winfield Scott / William F. Johnston (Whig)
    13. 1861-18xx: William F. Johnston (Whig)
    1860: John C. Breckinridge / Jefferson Davis (Democratic)

    Presidents of the Republic of New England
    01. 1815-1823: Timothy Pickering (Federalist)
    02. 1823-1827: DeWitt Clinton (Democratic-Republican)
    03. 1827-1835: John Lowell, Jr. (Federalist)
    04. 1835-1843: Josiah Quincy III (Federalist)
    05. 1843-1847: Robert Charles Winthrop (Whig)
    06. 1847-1851: Harrison Gray Otis (Federalist, then Conservative)
    07. 1851-1859: John Hale (Whig)
    08. 1859-present: Edward Everett (Conservative)

    Prime Ministers of the Republic of New England

    1815-1821: Harrison Gray Otis (Federalist)
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    1821-1824: John Lowell, Jr. (Federalist)
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    1824-1833: Christopher Gore (Whig)
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    1828 () def.:
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    1833-1841: Daniel Webster (Federalist)
    1833 () def.:
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    1841-1855: Theodore Frelinghuysen (Whig)
    1841 () def.:
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    1855-1856: Robert C. Winthrop (Whig)
    1856-1859: Hamilton Fish (Conservative)
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    1859-present: Robert C. Winthrop (Whig)
    1859 () def.:
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