List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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  1. Masteroftheuniverse Enemy of the people

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  2. Gentleman Biaggi Leader of the bisexual agenda

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    Can anyone tell what president Grande is saying?
    Hey this gives me an idea!
    Ariana Grande/Nayvadius Wilburn 2065-2069
     
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  3. Chapman Loyal Supporter of President Hoffa

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    90% of this makes me want to shoot myself, but i'm deeply supportive of President Grande.
     
  4. Ben Crouch Semi-Pro NASCAR historian.

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    Please replace Logan Paul with Doug DeMuro. T H I S is America
     
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    Presidents of Christian Republic of Alabama:
    David Bibb Graves 1927-1931 Whigh
    Hugo Black 1931-1935 W
    David Bibb Graves 1935-1939 W
    Hugo Black 1939-1943 W
    Frank Murray Dixon 1943-1947 W
    George Chauncey Sparks 1947-1951 W
    Leven Handy Ellis 1951-1955 W

    James Elisha Folsom Sr 1955-1959 Ind
    John Malcom Patterson 1959-1963 W
    Theophilus Eugene "Bull" Connor 1963-1967 W

    George Corley Wallace Sr 1967-1975 Independent Alabama Party (Changed the Constitution to allow consecutive terms)
    Albert Preston Brewer 1975-1983 IAP
    William Joseph Baxley II 1983-1987 IAP

    Harold Guy Hunt 1987-1992 (Impeached) W
    Charles Allen Graddick Sr 1992-1995 W

    Forrest Hood James Jr 1995-1999 IAP
    Winston Blount 1999-2003 W
    Donald Eugene Siegelman 2003-2006 (Impeached) IAP
    James Elisha Folsom Jr 2006-2007 IAP

    Robert Renfroe Riley 2007-2015 W
    Robert Julian Bentley 2015-2017 (Resigned) W
    Roy Moore 2017-... W

    Presidents of Federal Republic of Louisiana:
    Huey Pierce Long Jr 1928-1935 People's Democratic Party (Changes the Constitution to allow illimeted consecutive terms)
    Alvin Olin King 1935-1936 PDP
    Earl Kemp Long 1936-1951 (Resigned due Health Reasons) PDP
    Lether Edward Frazar 1951-1960 PDP

    James Houston Davis 1960-1968 W (An Amendament is passed to limit the Presidency to two terms)
    Russell Billiu Long 1968-1976 PDP
    John Julian McKeithen 1976-1984 PDP
    Edwin Washigton Edwards 1984-1992 PDP

    David Ernst Duke 1992-1997 (Assassinated) W
    Robert Linlightow Livingston 1997-1999 (Resigned due a sex scandal) W
    Murphy James Foster 1999-2008 W

    Russell Honoré 2008-2012 PDP
    David Vitter 2012-... W
     
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    1953-1957: Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (Republican)
    1952: Adlai Stevenson/John Sparkman (Democratic)
    1957-1961: Dwight Eisenhower/Harold Stassen (Republican)
    1956: Richard Russell/Happy Chandler (States' Rights) , Adlai Stevenson/John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
    1961-1962: Harold Stassen/Philip Willkie (Republican)
    1960: Barry Goldwater/Harry F. Byrd (States' Rights) , G. Mennen Williams/Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
    1962-1965: Philip Willkie/Vacant (Republican)
    1965-1973: Billy Graham/Gerald Ford (Republican)

    1964: George Wallace/Ross Barnett (States' Rights) , Hubert Humphrey/Thomas J. Dodd (Democratic)
    1968: Edwin Walker/Orval Faubus (States' Rights) , Ed Muskie/Abraham Ribicoff (Democratic)

    1973-1977: Curtis LeMay/Orville Hubbard (States' Rights)
    1972: Walter Reuther/Patrick Lucey (Democratic) , Spiro T. Agnew/Bill Brock (Republican) , Jim Jones/Roy Innes ("Righteous" Democratic)
    1977-1981: Jerry Brown/Peter Rodino (Democratic)
    1976: Curtis LeMay/Orville Hubbard (States' Rights) , Jim Jones/Daniel Patrick Moynihan (National Democratic) , Bill Brock/Anne Armstrong (Republican)
    1981-1989: Jerry Falwell/Guy Vander Jagt (States' Rights/Republican)
    1980: Jim Jones/Edwin Edwards (National Democratic) , Edward M. Kennedy/Walter Mondale (Democratic) , Jerry Brown/Frank Church (Independent)
    1984: Walter Mondale/Michael Dukakis (Democratic) , Jim Jones/Jesse Jackson (National Democratic)

    1989-1990: Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson (States' Rights)
    1988: Chris Dodd/Mario Cuomo (Democratic) , Jesse Jackson/Various (National Democratic)
    1990-1990: Pat Robertson/Vacant (States' Rights)
    1990-1993: Pat Robertson/Robert Dornan (States' Rights)
    1993-1998: Pat Robertson/Tim LaHaye (States' Rights)

    1992: Bob Dornan/Dan Quayle (Independent) , Paul Tsongas/Pat Leahy ("Northeastern" Democratic) , Kathleen Brown/William Gates III ("Pacifican" Democratic) , Paul Simon/Skip Humphrey ("Midwestern" Democratic)
    1996: None

    1998-1998: Tim LaHaye/Vacant (States' Rights)
    1998-1998: John B. Anderson/Vacant (States' Rights)
    1998-1999: Phyllis Schlafly (States' Rights)
    1999-1999: Jack Chick (States' Rights)
    1999-2000: Wesley Clark (United Nations backed American Reclamation Force)
    2000-2001: Wesley Clark/Tommy Franks/Colin Powell (American Reclamation Force interim government)
    2001-2001: Wesley Clark/Tommy Franks (Reclamation and Recovery)

    2000: Peter Camejo/Bernard Sanders (Socialism and Liberation) , Barry Goldwater Jr./Ron Paul (Liberty) , Various "Traditionalist" Parties
    2001-2001: Tommy Franks/Vacant (Reclamation and Recovery)
    2001-2009: Tommy Franks/James Mattis (Reclamation and Recovery)

    2004: Various
    2009-2013: John O. Brennan/John McCain (Alliance)
    2008: James Mattis/David Petraeus (Reclamation and Recovery) , Ron Paul/Various (Independent)
    2013-2016: Martha McSally/Michael Flynn (Reclamation and Recovery)
    2012: John O. Brennan/Tammy Duckworth (Left Alliance) , Stanley McChrystal/James Comey (Right Alliance) , Ron Paul/Jim Gray (Independent)
    2016-2016: Michael Flynn/Vacant (Reclamation and Recovery)
    2016-0000: Michael Flynn/Joe Arpaio (Reclamation and Recovery)

    2016: Postponed

    This one was mostly made to deal with an interesting POD and a common misconception about the religious right.

    So, Stanley Reed is not persuaded to join the majority in Brown v. Board and instead writes a dissent. This dissent, as Warren predicted, inflames tensions in the South considerably and before long any Southern politician who wants to make a name for himself has to know it by heart, or at least pretend that they do. This, as I'm sure you can imagine, complicates things considerably for the Eisenhower administration, who ultimately take a pro-civil rights stance and select a running mate for re election who better reflects that. The Democrats split up around this time as segregationists bail on a party that also firmly backs civil rights in its platform. They powerfully electorally wield their bloc of southern states in the coming elections as Democrats are reduced to Northern urban centers and Republicans dominate the next few election cycles.

    The 1960 election is fairly close though VP Stassen does prevail over his former, bitter primary challenger and a staunchly liberal Democratic ticket. About a year and a half into his presidency, Stassen is assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald on a midterm campaign stop. This leaves the young Willkie to fill in his shoes and he struggles. This only gets worse after an investigation into his financial activities as a private citizen is opened, though he is able to broker an agreement with Republican congressional leaders that he will step aside in 1964 if they do not join Democrats or States' Rightists in impeachment proceedings. Republicans, wary of the firebrand to their right and the experienced campaigner to their left, look to an unorthodox candidate. Billy Graham is drafted in an attempt to limit the influence of religious organizations in aiding the States' Rights party, as they had been doing for the previous decade. This is only partially successful, Graham wins with a commanding majority though his ties to very stubbornly right wing groups will complicate and shadow his presidency.

    This all comes to a head when Graham, following a narrow re election victory, completely bungles up the Mongolian Crisis of 1969 and America watches in horror as the Soviet Union annihilates the PRC with nuclear weaponry. This failure, and the failures to follow in trying to lead the resulting recovery doom Graham and the Republicans, causing massive midterm losses and a failed impeachment attempt. The 1972 campaign is a close one between the States' Rightists and the Democrats though a Democratic splitter ticket ultimately dooms them. LeMay's administration tries to balance military posturing with red meat thrown the way of a deeply socially conservative base but the whole thing falls apart when promised economic growth fails to materialize. Following this, the staunchly progressive freshman governor of California takes over the reigns of government and pushes his agenda forcefully. This doesn't work too well with a hostile congress and Brown's administration soon collapses.

    Jerry Falwell prevails over a hopelessly splintered Democratic Party with the help of a dying Republican Party. Falwell immediately sets himself to enacting dominionist and generally authoritarian policies. Winning re election forcefully, Falwell cements his presidency by removing presidential term limits, with the needed assistance of Vice President Vander Jagt. For 1988, Falwell goes for die-hard religious by selecting Pat Robertson as his running mate. They win in a deeply flawed election and go onto implement more dominionist policies until Falwell, is killed when a bomb destroys the bridge his motorcade was driving over. Robertson takes over and begins implementing more authoritarian policies, using Falwell's death as an impetus. Facing only occasional regional opposition, and an energetic independent campaign by his now excluded former VP Bob Dornan, Robertson achieves easy re election.

    As the last vestiges of American democracy get whittled away, an American military establishment that had been growing since the Mongolian Crisis certainly, but really back since World War 2, had finally realized they had enough and turned their guns on Robertson and his dominionist government in the summer of 1995. The Second American Civil War was an arduous campaign though always winnable for the quickly internationally recognized and supported American Reclamation Force. The house of cards began to fall apart in the summer of 1998 for Robertson's government after his own death in an air raid following quickly by his former Vice President's in a car bomb. New congressional leader and House Speaker John B. Anderson took the reigns of government after that though hints at some moderate tendencies and a willingness to negotiate with the 'ARF' caused a coup by Robertson's cabinet in the early fall. This would give control of government to States' Rights die hard Phyllis Schlafly whose death in a firefight during the Storming of Indianapolis, the largest remaining dominionist stronghold, would give control of government briefly to the master dominionist propagandist, Jack Chick, who, with the remaining members of his cabinet, would be captured by ARF forces in the summer of 1999, officially ending the Civil War though guerrilla campaigns in favor of the dominionists would continue to operate for years to come in the South and Midwest.

    Wesley Clark and the other leaders of the ARF would soon re establish constitutional governance and undo many of the authoritarian policies of the last couple decades. Clark would serve as the nation's first post-dominionist president before being quickly killed by an unknown assassin. The more conservative ARF leader and Vice President Tommy Franks would take over and institute more authoritarian measures in an effort to find the groups that were responsible for President Clark's death. While, Clark's killers would never be found, this is all that was needed for President Franks to support enough limitations to create a sham election that harkened back to the days of Falwell and Robertson. In his second term, Frank would lift enough of these restrictions to hold a fair election as opposition parties to the ruling Reclamation and Recovery Party allied in an attempt to unseat them. They would be successful in this and John Brennan would take over as President before watching his coalition collapse and splinter. This caused a return to power for the old 'R&R' government under Martha McSally in the 2012 election. McSally's assasination while on the 2016 campaign trail caused the ascension of her more conservative Vice President Mike Flynn, who immediately set about crafting more authoritarian measures to find McSally's killers and reinstill order in a country that he now saw as chaotic. Civil liberties were curtailed, the 2016 election was postponed, and as Professor Barack Obama said, "Flynn made a dominionist government but without the Christianity."
     
  7. CapitalistHippie Peace, love, and free markets.

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    The Age of Trump
    Donald Trump/Mike Pence 2017-2025

    Donald Trump, Jr./Tom Cotton 2025-2033

    Ivanka Trump/Marco Rubio 2033-2041

    Jared Kushner/George P. Bush 2041-2049

    Tiffany Trump/Dan Crenshaw 2049-2057

    Barron Trump/North West 2057-2065

    Luke Trump/Jake Paul 2065-2073

    Theodore Kushner/CJ Pearson 2073-

    And y'all thought my last list was dystopian.
     
  8. Ben Crouch Semi-Pro NASCAR historian.

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    Someone has a Paul brothers fetish
     
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  9. CapitalistHippie Peace, love, and free markets.

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    Hey, they work great as future dystopian politicians.
     
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    Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr (R) 1960-68

    Robert Kennedy/George McGovern (D) 1969-76

    George McGovern/Walter Mondale (D) 1977-80

    Ronald Reagan/George Herbert Walker Bush (R) 1981-88

    George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle (R) 1989-92

    H.Ross Perot/Dick Lamm (Reform) 1993-2000

    Donald Trump/ Gen. Norm Schawrzkopf Jr (Reform) 2001-08
     
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  11. Joshua Ben Ari Well-Known Member

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    A quasi-sequel and update to this list (here). It's not quite finished, which is why the New England portion isn't filled it yet, but I do have plans for this.

    Presidents of the United States

    01. 1789-1797: George Washington (Nonpartisan - VA)
    1788-89: Unopposed
    1792-92: Unopposed

    02. 1797-1801: John Adams (Federalist - MA)
    1796: Thomas Jefferson / Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)
    03. 1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican - VA)
    1800: John Adams / Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist)
    1804: Charles C. Pinckney / Rufus King (Federalist)

    04. 1809-1814: James Madison‡ (Democratic-Republican - VA)
    1808: Charles C. Pinckney / Rufus King (Federalist)
    1812: DeWitt Clinton / Jared Ingersoll (Federalist)

    05. 1814-1814: Elbridge Gerry‡ (Democratic-Republican - MA) [1]
    xx. 1814-1817: Disputed (Democratic-Republican) [2]
    1815: President pro tempore John Gaillard / Daniel D. Tompkins (Democratic-Republican) [3]
    Claimants 1814-1817: Secretary of State and Secretary of War James Monroe (DR-VA), President pro tempore of the United States Senate John Gaillard (DR-SC)

    [1] James Madison was killed in the Battle of Bladensburg, Vice President Elbridge Gerry proclaims himself President. However, members of the Cabinet viewed him only as Acting President, refer to him as such, and until the 1816 presidential election the post of President be held as a power-sharing agreement. Gerry's earlier death than OTL fuels the fire and allows Secretary of State James Monroe to take over the reins of government and start acting more and more like a President.

    [2] The Senate selected South Carolina Senator John Gaillard as President pro tempore and, thus, Acting President. Gaillard views his title as Acting President without the preceding word - he is President. This is disputed by Secretary of State and Secretary of War James Monroe and members of the Cabinet. Pro-Gaillard Democratic-Republicans urge Gaillard to use the Presidential Succession Act of 1792 and hold an election in December 1815. Tensions rise between John Gaillard and James Monroe, leading to contradictory orders being issued to generals and armies, allowing the British to cross back into the United States and win even more victories. Anti-war Democratic-Republicans and the Federalist see a sharp rise as the roving administration is wracked by political gridlock.

    [3] The December 1815 presidential election, organized by pro-Gaillard Democratic-Republicans, is declared illegitimate by Secretary Monroe and results null. (Acting) President John Gaillard declares that James Madison is attempting to suspend the Constitution and prevent him from ascending to his rightful post. American arms are starting to be aimed at American arms. And in Hartford, Connecticut there are whispers between New England, New York, and New Jersey of a possible union...

    American Civil War (1815-1817)

    It finally came to a head, the civil war. After American forces are smashed at Plattsburgh, and after the fall of Fort McHenry, the War of 1812 devolves into three main American forces: pro-Gaillard forces, pro-Monroe forces, and New Englander (including New Yorkers and New Jerseyans) rebel forces. The American economy tanks from the stresses of warfare against fellow Americans, the British (and their Canadian militias and Native American allies), and New Englander (and New Yorker and New Jerseyan militias) forces.

    New Englander forces won their chief battle against pro-Monroe militias at the Battle of Schenectady, when they had attempted to march on Albany. A joint force of Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New York militias held the line against the pro-Monroe onslaught. A second victory was won at the Battle of Elizabeth, in New Jersey, with a combined New York-New Jersey militia. By mid-1816, the New Englanders had forced nearly all vestiges of American forces from their territory, save a few holdouts along the New Jersey-New York-Pennsylvania border.

    Pro-Monroe forces lost their final battle outside Philadelphia against pro-Gaillard militias and surrendered or broke, leaving Monroe as the president of a pile of rubble. The Treaty of Ghent, signed in February 1817, ended the civil war and solidified the post-war settlement. The three territories - Michigan, Illinois, and Indiana - north of the Greenville Treaty Line are to be ceded to British Canada, while the United States was forced to recognize the Commonwealth of New England and renounce all claims to it. The District of Louisiana and the District of Orleans are to be held as illegally gained from the Spanish, and thus to be transferred back to Spain, while the port of New Orleans was to become a joint Anglo-Spanish condominium.

    The special election of 1815 was agreed to be valid, and John Gaillard was the legitimate president. However, to keep the four-year election cycle started by George Washington, both Secretary Monroe and President Gaillard agreed that the next presidential election to be in 1820. Thus, there was no United States presidential election in 1816.

    Presidents of the United States (1817-present)
    06. 1816-1821: John Gaillard (Democratic-Republican - SC)
    1815: Unopposed, election protested and boycotted by Secretary of State James Monroe
    07.
    1821-1829: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
    1820: Henry Clay / John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican)
    1824: William Crawford / Andrew Jackson (Democratic-Republican)

    08. 1829-1837: Andrew Jackson (Democratic-Republican; later Democratic)
    1828: William Henry Harrison / Hugh White (Whig)
    1832: Hugh White / Willie Mangum (Whig)

    09. 1837-1845: William Henry Harrison (Whig)
    1836: Philip P. Barbour / Richard M. Johnson (Democratic)
    1840: James K. Polk / James Buchanan (Democratic)

    10. 1845-1853: James Buchanan (Democratic)
    1844: Henry Clay / John Sergeant (Whig)
    1848: Winfield Scott / Zachary Taylor (Whig)

    11. 1853-1857: Winfield Scott (Whig)
    1852: Stephen Douglas / Henry Dodge (Democratic)
    12. 1857-1861: John C. Breckinridge (Democratic)
    1856: Winfield Scott / William F. Johnston (Whig)
    13. 1861-18xx: William F. Johnston (Whig)
    1860: John C. Breckinridge / Jefferson Davis (Democratic)

    Presidents of the Republic of New England
    01. 1815-1823: Timothy Pickering (Federalist)
    02. 1823-1827: DeWitt Clinton (Democratic-Republican)
    03. 1827-1835: John Lowell, Jr. (Federalist)
    04. 1835-1843: Josiah Quincy III (Federalist)
    05. 1843-1847: Robert Charles Winthrop (Whig)
    06. 1847-1851: Harrison Gray Otis (Federalist, then Conservative)
    07. 1851-1859: John Hale (Whig)
    08. 1859-present: Edward Everett (Conservative)

    Prime Ministers of the Republic of New England

    1815-1821: Harrison Gray Otis (Federalist)
    1815 () def.:
    1819 () def.:

    1821-1824: John Lowell, Jr. (Federalist)
    1822 () def.:
    1824-1833: Christopher Gore (Whig)
    1824 () def.:
    1828 () def.:
    1830 () def.:

    1833-1841: Daniel Webster (Federalist)
    1833 () def.:
    1837 () def.:

    1841-1855: Theodore Frelinghuysen (Whig)
    1841 () def.:
    1844 () def.:
    1848 () def.:
    1852 () def.:

    1855-1856: Robert C. Winthrop (Whig)
    1856-1859: Hamilton Fish (Conservative)
    1856 () def.:
    1859-present: Robert C. Winthrop (Whig)
    1859 () def.:
     
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  12. Charcolt Canvassing for Maverick Case

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    All the Way With LBJ (Draft #1)

    In which Lyndon Johnson has a prophetic dream or something and sort of nails Vietnam.

    36. 1963 - 1973: Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) | Hubert H. Humphrey Jr. (D-MN)
    • Def. 1964: Sen. Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ) | Rep. William E. Miller (R-NY)
    • Def. 1968: Gov. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) | Sen Howard H. Baker Jr. (R-TN) & Gov. George C. Wallace Jr. (A-AL) | Gen. Curtis E. LeMay (A-CA)
    37. 1973 - 1975: George W. Romney (R-MI)† | Daniel J. Evans Sr. (R-WA)
    • Def. 1972: VP. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) | Sen. Daniel K. Inouye (D-HI) & Gov. George C. Wallace Jr. (A-AL) | Rep. John G. Schmitz (A-CA)
    38. 1975 - 1981: Daniel J. Evans Sr. (R-WA) | Paul Dominique Laxalt (R-NV)*
    • Def. 1976: Sen. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) | Gov. George C. Wallace Jr. (D-AL)
    President-Elect: Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA)† | Nick Galifianakis (D-NC)

    39. 1981 - 1989: Nick Galifianakis (D-NC) | John Varick Tunney (D-CA)*

    • Def. 1980: Rep. Guy A. Vander Jagt (R-MI) & Sen. Robert J. Dole (R-KS)
    • Def. 1984: Sen. George H. W. Bush (R-TX) & Sen. Jack French Kemp (R-NY)
    40. 1989 - 1997: John Varick Tunney (D-CA) | L. Douglas Wilder (D-VA)
    • Def. 1988: Sen. John W. Warner Jr. (R-VA) & Sen. John S. McCain (R-AZ)
    • Def. 1992: Sen. Theodore R. Bundy (R-WA) & Gov. Robert L. Mercer (R-CA)

    [36] Certainly controversial in his personal life, it is hard to deny that Lyndon Johnson is one of the most consequential presidents in American history (second in pulling the nation leftward only to the one man to have held the office for longer). His precarious health toward the end of his presidency is a common topic for AH writers who believe that an earlier death would have allowed an incumbent Humphrey to win the Democrats a fourth consecutive term in the White House.

    [37] Governor Romney's nomination was a shift away from the unsuccessful conservative movement toward a more liberal Eisenhower-style Republican (paired with a more conservative western governor in Dan Evans). Romney was prone to gaffes and his Mormonism was a target of attacks, but he won by a comfortable electoral margin. If nothing else he looked as a president ought to, but Romney quickly proved more liberal in office than he had been as a campaigner, further alienating conservatives with his progressive views on civil rights and taxation. "Every Democrat's Favorite Republican" saw his term cut short when he was murdered by the Manson Family.

    [38] Dan Evans was the first conservative in... well, quite a while. The sole exception to this was his environmentalism, which arguably had once been a value championed by Republicans. Recognizing that Romney had placed himself in a precarious situation with his own party through his liberalism, Evans did not hesitate to show himself as a conservative, pointing to the strong economy and appointing (thanks to a recent Constitutional Amendment) a Reagan ally as his new VP. Evans defeated a unity ticket born of desperation and successfully won a term of his own. Unfortunately, 1976 is a poisoned chalice in any universe and regardless of changes. The economy worsened and the liberal majority pounced.

    [PE] Ah what could have been. Twenty years after his brother had been elected 35th president, RFK swept the Democratic primaries and declared a new liberal era. Then came Hinckley. This is Kennedy by the way.

    [39] Senator Nick Gal#&$^#&kis was not a surprising choice for Kennedy's running mate. A second term senator from a southern state with a reputation as a liberal icon, his only non-ideological downsides were his hard to spell name and anti-Greek bigotry (which in terms of groups Americans disliked ranked pretty low). Kennedy's death post election was the cause of a minor Constitutional Crisis but it was quickly agreed that the vice president-elect would ascend to the presidency. Many wished for Edward Kennedy to be vice president but he declined, instead promoting ally and fellow catholic John Tunney. Galifianakis' term saw a booming economy and the end of the Cold War, solidifying his place among the Democratic titans of the 20th century. The conservative movement was growing (and their revolution would come), but it was impossible to deny that fortune had favored the left since the Depression.

    [40] Vice President Tunney's victory in the closest election in almost thirty years was unexpected, despite his predecessor's popularity. The (profoundly moderate and likable) Republican ticket's victory in the popular vote only reduced his political capital. The son of boxer Gene Tunney, a noted civil libertarian, and occasionally insulted as mule-faced, Tunney dedicated his term to expanding voter rights and rolling back what he viewed as infringements on privacy. His opponents criticized him as out of touch in an evolving international order. Republicans rallied behind the young and charismatic Washington Senator Ted Bundy, a former staffer and protege to President Evans. Predictions ranged from a close match to Tunney losing in a landslide. Four days before the election reporter Alicia Foster released a comprehensive report containing proof that Senator Bundy was a serial killer. When election day came Tunney would be reelected in a Monroe-sized landslide. The capital, however, was more focused on picking up the pieces and finding replacements for the several senators Bundy had killed or wounded before being apprehended.
     
  13. Paul Large Banned

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    Second list of presidents

    1940-1944 F.D.R./Henry Wallace F.D.R. dies in office In 1943 he was on a battleship that was torpidowed all hands lost. Wallace becomes prez.
    1944-1948 Wallace/Harry Hopkins
    1948-1952 Wallace/Hopkins
    1952-1956 IKE Eisenhower/Nixon* IKE has a stroke as in our time line but does not survive 2months into 1st term . In 1952 Nixon President
    1956-1960 Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller
    1960-1964 Nixon/Rockefeller*Nixon president for 12 years. Tried to run again but 22nd amendment would not allow. He never got caught for his tricks as J Edgar Hoover was still alive and running FBI covering his stuff off.
    1964-1968 JFK/Johnson
    1968-1972 JFK/Johnson* never had an attempt on his life.
    1972-1976 Ronald Reagan/Bob Dole
    No second term economy very poor
    1976-1980 Hubart Humphrey/Jimmy Carter* economy in free fall.
    1980-1984 George H W Bush/Jim Baker
    1984-1988 George H W Bush/Jim Baker
    *economy turns around/Berlin wall falls/Soviet Union falls. Bush gets to be the great Republican leader.
    1988-1992 Jim Baker/Bob Dole *IRAQ war goes about the same as our time.
    1992-1996 Bill Clinton/Al Gore
    1996-2000 Colin Powell/John McCain
    2000-2004 Al Gore/Hillary Clinton
    2004-2008 Al Gore/Hillary Clinton
    2009-2012 Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden
    2012-2016 Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine
    2016-2020 Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio
    2020-2024 Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio
    * Jeb is a good prez not like George W.

    2 big changes in history. FDR dies early and IKE dies in office. Just to ad to the mix. It’s intresting the ones who still rise to greatness and those who history tosses aside and those who were not on the stage in our timeline but with these changes it allows for them to rise.
     
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  14. theev Suede-Denim Secret Police

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    New Deal Coalition Retained and Revisited

    1961-1963: Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)

    1960: Lyndon B. Johnson/Wayne Morse (Democratic) , Various Unplegded Southern Electors
    1963-1965: Nelson Rockefeller/Vacant (Republican)
    1965-1969: John F. Kennedy/Stuart Symington (Democratic)

    1964: Orval Faubus/Ross Barnett (Dixiecrat) , Nelson Rockefeller/Thomas Kuchel (Republican)
    1969-1970: John Connally/William Scranton (Democratic/Republican)
    1968: John Connally/Sam Yorty (Democratic) , Barry Goldwater/William Scranton (Republican) , Eugene McCarthy/George McGovern (Progressive)
    1970-1970: John Connally/Vacant (Democratic)
    1970-1977: John Connally/Henry M. Jackson (Democratic)

    1972: John Tower/Roy Cohn (Republican) , Gore Vidal/Pete McCloskey (Progressive)
    1977-1985: Ronald Reagan/Donald Rumsfeld (Republican)
    1976: Henry M. Jackson/Hugh Carey (Democratic) , Jerry Brown/Cesar Chavez (Progressive)
    1980: George McGovern/John McKiethen (Democratic)

    1985-1989: Donald Rumsfeld/Jesse Helms (Republican)
    1984: Daniel Inouye/Patrick Leahy (Democratic)
    1988: Jim Jones/Leo Ryan (Democratic)



    Alright, here we go. A watered down voting rights bill gives the Republicans enough of a push in the North to topple New York and send Richard Nixon into the White House. Once in 1600 Penn, Nixon plays a very good President Focus Group. Nixon continues to waffle on civil rights and pushes forward a civil rights bill that even Barry Goldwater supports (see: a really fucking weak one). In foreign policy, Nixon's presidency is marred by continued support for the right-wing elements in the ever increasingly bloody Cuban Civil War. Historians still debate whether or not Nixon could have redeemed himself with a second term, or at least, moved on to greater things, but he would be gunned down in December, 1963, thrusting Nelson Rockefeller into a curious position.

    For all his talk and bluster, Nelson Rockefeller didn't accomplish much of anything. To be fair, he never had much time, but still. Running on the bloody banner of Dick Nixon and 'four more years' Rockefeller was able to pull ahead of Senator John F. Kennedy. At least until his affairs came out. Rockefeller's lead was decimated by the revelation of a six-year long affair and JFK and his campaign team (spearheaded by Robert F. Kennedy) absolutely pounded it in. A one-on-one debate between Kennedy and Rockefeller proved absolutely disastrous for the President. Ronald Reagan decides to forgo any public support for either candidate (mostly due to Rockefeller's moderate and liberal tendencies than anything else) and the end result is an utter bloodbath for the Republicans as southerners vote as a bloc for Faubus' Dixiecrats and everyone else would rather just vote for Kennedy.

    Kennedy was dealt a bad deck, a really bad deck. Urban unrest and protest movements turning to violence made Kennedy look really bad, especially given his harder push for civil rights. Thankfully, Speaker Albert helped Kennedy avoid an absolute disaster legislatively but still things were not going well in his direct by the midterms. Republicans win big in the midterms and, much to the chagrin of former President Rockefeller, the conservative faction is clearly on top. This does not come out any more clear than in the razor-thin victory of former actor Ronald Reagan against incumbent Californian Governor Pat Brown.

    1967 is a turbulent time around the world. Czechoslovakia's communist government falls to revolutionaries and the country is divided as the Czech Republic and Slovakia (in the American and Soviet spheres, respectively). This failure on the global stage, resulted in the removal of Soviet leader Khrushchev shortly thereafter. America would ramp up its involvement in the conflicts in Vietnam and Cuba (now referred to by the general public as a 'War', and 'Quagmire' respectively). Meanwhile, the Indians and Pakistanis would once again spar to a draw.

    An energetic primary challenge is enough to drive the saber right into the collapsing Kennedy administration and by the convention John Connally of Texas is the next Democratic nominee. The only thing that saves the Democrats' electoral chances that year was the nomination of the utterly loathsome (at least to most of the American public) Barry Goldwater by the Republicans. And then, in an election that was already giving too many people flashbacks to 1924, Senators Eugene McCarthy and McGovern, long against the candidacy of Connally, announced their independent liberal campaign, in the vein of LaFollette's historical one.

    As one might imagine, the election was a complete and utter clusterfuck and the Progressives (as they took to being called) even managed to grab a couple states, despite the disheveled nature of their campaign. The electoral college is hung and much to McCarthy's delight, their supporters in Congress now select who goes to the White House. Their selections were predictable. Connally was more favorable to civil rights than Goldwater, just as Scranton was to Yorty.

    Connally's term in office begins about as well as his predecessor's ended. The riots continued even though a "law and order" candidate was now in office and so would America's military presence overseas. On the plus side, the War in Cuba finally ended in the fall of 1969, bringing a seven-year and bloody conflict to a close. On the downside, Vietnam would only get worse and more bloody with a sinking public approval by the day (especially after the death of Vice President Scranton on a visit to the front lines).

    Of those who still supported the War in Vietnam, they were left clamoring for blood following the death of the VP. The Connally administration is encouraged to double down in the region and the nation's attention is turned towards Southeast Asia. Republican and Progressive gains in the midterms places Connally on shaky ground as he witnesses his base collapsing due to failure to govern effectively from what was basically the middle of the American political spectrum.

    Around the world, the world gets darker. European nations become aggressive in holding on to their colonies and Japan becomes nationalistic, shocking the world but its bogged down allies can't afford to give it any attention. A lighter note of the year 1971 is the American moon landing, and while a few more would occur in the following four years, the rest of the missions would be shelved by a hard scrabble Connally administration.

    The 1972 election would become yet another mess. Conservative Republicans dominated as they had in previous elections and their party's nominee would be John Tower. Connally would survive, albeit barely, a challenge from George McGovern over the Vietnam War. All of this left the nascent Progressive Party simmering and they were revitalized again to defend the left of the political spectrum. Gore Vidal would be nominated due to his closeness to protest groups and would select the former liberal Republican Pete McCloskey as his running mate. This election is as much as a nailbiter as the last one but the morning after voting the race can narrowly be called for Connally. Historians attribute his victory to fierce and vicious campaign tactics that would draw him into legal trouble following his presidency.

    Vietnam becomes a meat grinder by 1974 and the continued American support of the clearly lagging Vietnamese enrages the nation's youth and liberals, already incensed by the prior War in Cuba. Popular opinion turns viciously against the war in the midterms and through this rise in liberal sentiment, the Republicans take advantage of a split vote and take both houses of congress.

    Unsurprisingly, the situation in Europe degrades. Salazar is overthrown in Portugal only to be replaced by Soviet-backed communists. The National Front take over in France as the French continue their colonial struggles. Various other European right wingers are given bumps in their respective parliaments (ad nauseam).

    In 1976, Saigon falls to the North Vietnamese and the slow American withdrawal that had begun a year prior rapidly accelerates. Jumping on this train of jingoistic rage is Ronald Reagan who makes a vow in his Republican campaign to "Make America Great Again" in an odd appeal to some vague nostalgia. The Democrats select Vice President Scoop Jackson to be their sacrificial lamb in the midst of a lost war and an economy in a tailspin. The Progressives meanwhile nominated two activists: Jerry Brown and Cesar Chevez following a ruthless primary season. Predictably, Reagan curb-stomps his opponents, sweeps the South, and sails into the White House.

    Amid this fear and loathing, Reagan acts as you would expect. No better at law and order than his predecessor (a lot more national guard on the streets though) and arguably worse at managing the economy. To many it feels that the country is breaking down, this opinion rises substantially following the Energy Crisis that occurs once the Middle East is thrown into chaos by a wave of fundamentalist revolts. Oh, and just to make things worse, German nationalists make a resurgence.

    By 1980, Ronald Reagan is not in a good position, but neither are the Democrats. Following the absorption of the Progressive Party after a disappointing 1978 midterm, the Democrats find themselves leaderless and squabbling. Progressive favorite George McGovern is nominated by a divided convention amid hisses and boos. Reagan collects splitting conservative Democrats or "Reagan Democrats" who are comfortable enough with him to not run on their own. Even with domestic chaos and economic free fall, McGovern still gets killed.

    The world descends during the early 1980s. Reagan saber rattles with a freshly inaugurated hardline Soviet government, Africa (still fighting colonial wars) falls into maddening local conflicts, the Middle East struggles to recover from years of religious warfare, the Chinese and Japanese posture, Europe becomes increasingly dominated by hard right wing elements, and Britain refuses to join the European Customs Union.

    The Republicans suffer some losses to a divided Democratic Party in the 1982 midterms, most notably the California Governorship goes to Jim Jones. The Democrats use this momentum, no matter how small it may be, to take the attack to likely 1984 nominee Donald Rumsfeld. After another arduous primary and convention (becoming a bit more of a regular thing now), the Democrats nominate Daniel Inouye and Patrick Leahy as Rumsfeld heads out, now geared up with former Southern Democrat Jesse Helms.

    In the end, Inouye just isn't able to win enough northern votes to account for the Republicans' southern dominance, this compounded with ruthless campaigning by Rumsfeld's campaign manager Lee Atwater led to a sorry state of affairs for the Democratic Party on election day.

    The world continues to get worse (see: above). German nationalists (see: Nazis) take over Germany and South Africa begins to, like its unfortunate neighbors, descend into racial warfare. This, of course, gets worse with the Stock Market crash of 1987.

    The struggling American economy gets thrown off a cliff and the social safety net is not there to prevent most Americans from falling, hard. Through this economic anxiety, Governor Jim Jones announces his run for president based on economic issues. The following campaign between Rumsfeld and Jones is vicious though by October Jones has the upper hand just due to the dire straits of America's economic situation. That is, until Gerhard Frey (yes, the Nazi one), who is Prime Minister of West Germany catches wind of a minor firefight that had occurred on their border with the East Germans, resulting the wounding of one West German soldier. This pushes war between the superpowers to the brink as Rumsfeld backs up Frey and the Soviets stick to their guns. This fear is enough to barely push Rumsfeld over Jones.

    Days later, on November 14, 1988, the Doomsday Clock hits midnight.
     
  15. Frank Hart When Your Hometown Doesn't Feel Like Home

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    Oh the fucking irony!
     
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  16. glenn67 Well-Known Member

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    Jones and Ryan are both from California. They cannot run on the same ticket.
     
  17. True Grit Creek

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    It’s not impossible, one of them just needs to pull a Cheney and change their home state.
     
  18. glenn67 Well-Known Member

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    Jim Jones is the Governor of California. I assume that Ryan is a Congressman from outside San Francisco going into 1988; he will not be able to changing his residential address if he does not resign from his House district.
     
  19. theev Suede-Denim Secret Police

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    Yeah I noticed this afterwards. Maybe throw in a guy like Jesse Jackson instead?
     
  20. Luke_Starkiller Opportunity Democrat; Cold War Junkie

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    Jones was born in Indiana. As religious as many Hoosiers are, there's a chance he could rise as some sort of "Christian Left" figure for WWC Democrats there.
     
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