List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Asami, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. Charcolt Emperor Humbert of the RDP

    Jul 29, 2014
    All the Way With LBJ (Draft #1)

    In which Lyndon Johnson has a prophetic dream or something and sort of nails Vietnam.

    36. 1963 - 1973: Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) | Hubert H. Humphrey Jr. (D-MN)
    • Def. 1964: Sen. Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ) | Rep. William E. Miller (R-NY)
    • Def. 1968: Gov. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) | Sen Howard H. Baker Jr. (R-TN) & Gov. George C. Wallace Jr. (A-AL) | Gen. Curtis E. LeMay (A-CA)
    37. 1973 - 1975: George W. Romney (R-MI)† | Daniel J. Evans Sr. (R-WA)
    • Def. 1972: VP. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) | Sen. Daniel K. Inouye (D-HI) & Gov. George C. Wallace Jr. (A-AL) | Rep. John G. Schmitz (A-CA)
    38. 1975 - 1981: Daniel J. Evans Sr. (R-WA) | Paul Dominique Laxalt (R-NV)*
    • Def. 1976: Sen. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) | Gov. George C. Wallace Jr. (D-AL)
    President-Elect: Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA)† | Nick Galifianakis (D-NC)

    39. 1981 - 1989: Nick Galifianakis (D-NC) | John Varick Tunney (D-CA)*

    • Def. 1980: Rep. Guy A. Vander Jagt (R-MI) & Sen. Robert J. Dole (R-KS)
    • Def. 1984: Sen. George H. W. Bush (R-TX) & Sen. Jack French Kemp (R-NY)
    40. 1989 - 1997: John Varick Tunney (D-CA) | L. Douglas Wilder (D-VA)
    • Def. 1988: Sen. John W. Warner Jr. (R-VA) & Sen. John S. McCain (R-AZ)
    • Def. 1992: Sen. Theodore R. Bundy (R-WA) & Gov. Robert L. Mercer (R-CA)

    [36] Certainly controversial in his personal life, it is hard to deny that Lyndon Johnson is one of the most consequential presidents in American history (second in pulling the nation leftward only to the one man to have held the office for longer). His precarious health toward the end of his presidency is a common topic for AH writers who believe that an earlier death would have allowed an incumbent Humphrey to win the Democrats a fourth consecutive term in the White House.

    [37] Governor Romney's nomination was a shift away from the unsuccessful conservative movement toward a more liberal Eisenhower-style Republican (paired with a more conservative western governor in Dan Evans). Romney was prone to gaffes and his Mormonism was a target of attacks, but he won by a comfortable electoral margin. If nothing else he looked as a president ought to, but Romney quickly proved more liberal in office than he had been as a campaigner, further alienating conservatives with his progressive views on civil rights and taxation. "Every Democrat's Favorite Republican" saw his term cut short when he was murdered by the Manson Family.

    [38] Dan Evans was the first conservative in... well, quite a while. The sole exception to this was his environmentalism, which arguably had once been a value championed by Republicans. Recognizing that Romney had placed himself in a precarious situation with his own party through his liberalism, Evans did not hesitate to show himself as a conservative, pointing to the strong economy and appointing (thanks to a recent Constitutional Amendment) a Reagan ally as his new VP. Evans defeated a unity ticket born of desperation and successfully won a term of his own. Unfortunately, 1976 is a poisoned chalice in any universe and regardless of changes. The economy worsened and the liberal majority pounced.

    [PE] Ah what could have been. Twenty years after his brother had been elected 35th president, RFK swept the Democratic primaries and declared a new liberal era. Then came Hinckley. This is Kennedy by the way.

    [39] Senator Nick Gal#&$^#&kis was not a surprising choice for Kennedy's running mate. A second term senator from a southern state with a reputation as a liberal icon, his only non-ideological downsides were his hard to spell name and anti-Greek bigotry (which in terms of groups Americans disliked ranked pretty low). Kennedy's death post election was the cause of a minor Constitutional Crisis but it was quickly agreed that the vice president-elect would ascend to the presidency. Many wished for Edward Kennedy to be vice president but he declined, instead promoting ally and fellow catholic John Tunney. Galifianakis' term saw a booming economy and the end of the Cold War, solidifying his place among the Democratic titans of the 20th century. The conservative movement was growing (and their revolution would come), but it was impossible to deny that fortune had favored the left since the Depression.

    [40] Vice President Tunney's victory in the closest election in almost thirty years was unexpected, despite his predecessor's popularity. The (profoundly moderate and likable) Republican ticket's victory in the popular vote only reduced his political capital. The son of boxer Gene Tunney, a noted civil libertarian, and occasionally insulted as mule-faced, Tunney dedicated his term to expanding voter rights and rolling back what he viewed as infringements on privacy. His opponents criticized him as out of touch in an evolving international order. Republicans rallied behind the young and charismatic Washington Senator Ted Bundy, a former staffer and protege to President Evans. Predictions ranged from a close match to Tunney losing in a landslide. Four days before the election reporter Alicia Foster released a comprehensive report containing proof that Senator Bundy was a serial killer. When election day came Tunney would be reelected in a Monroe-sized landslide. The capital, however, was more focused on picking up the pieces and finding replacements for the several senators Bundy had killed or wounded before being apprehended.
  2. Paul Large Banned

    Mar 1, 2017
    Second list of presidents

    1940-1944 F.D.R./Henry Wallace F.D.R. dies in office In 1943 he was on a battleship that was torpidowed all hands lost. Wallace becomes prez.
    1944-1948 Wallace/Harry Hopkins
    1948-1952 Wallace/Hopkins
    1952-1956 IKE Eisenhower/Nixon* IKE has a stroke as in our time line but does not survive 2months into 1st term . In 1952 Nixon President
    1956-1960 Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller
    1960-1964 Nixon/Rockefeller*Nixon president for 12 years. Tried to run again but 22nd amendment would not allow. He never got caught for his tricks as J Edgar Hoover was still alive and running FBI covering his stuff off.
    1964-1968 JFK/Johnson
    1968-1972 JFK/Johnson* never had an attempt on his life.
    1972-1976 Ronald Reagan/Bob Dole
    No second term economy very poor
    1976-1980 Hubart Humphrey/Jimmy Carter* economy in free fall.
    1980-1984 George H W Bush/Jim Baker
    1984-1988 George H W Bush/Jim Baker
    *economy turns around/Berlin wall falls/Soviet Union falls. Bush gets to be the great Republican leader.
    1988-1992 Jim Baker/Bob Dole *IRAQ war goes about the same as our time.
    1992-1996 Bill Clinton/Al Gore
    1996-2000 Colin Powell/John McCain
    2000-2004 Al Gore/Hillary Clinton
    2004-2008 Al Gore/Hillary Clinton
    2009-2012 Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden
    2012-2016 Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine
    2016-2020 Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio
    2020-2024 Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio
    * Jeb is a good prez not like George W.

    2 big changes in history. FDR dies early and IKE dies in office. Just to ad to the mix. It’s intresting the ones who still rise to greatness and those who history tosses aside and those who were not on the stage in our timeline but with these changes it allows for them to rise.
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  3. theev Suede-Denim Secret Police

    May 7, 2015
    New Deal Coalition Retained and Revisited

    1961-1963: Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)

    1960: Lyndon B. Johnson/Wayne Morse (Democratic) , Various Unplegded Southern Electors
    1963-1965: Nelson Rockefeller/Vacant (Republican)
    1965-1969: John F. Kennedy/Stuart Symington (Democratic)

    1964: Orval Faubus/Ross Barnett (Dixiecrat) , Nelson Rockefeller/Thomas Kuchel (Republican)
    1969-1970: John Connally/William Scranton (Democratic/Republican)
    1968: John Connally/Sam Yorty (Democratic) , Barry Goldwater/William Scranton (Republican) , Eugene McCarthy/George McGovern (Progressive)
    1970-1970: John Connally/Vacant (Democratic)
    1970-1977: John Connally/Henry M. Jackson (Democratic)

    1972: John Tower/Roy Cohn (Republican) , Gore Vidal/Pete McCloskey (Progressive)
    1977-1985: Ronald Reagan/Donald Rumsfeld (Republican)
    1976: Henry M. Jackson/Hugh Carey (Democratic) , Jerry Brown/Cesar Chavez (Progressive)
    1980: George McGovern/John McKiethen (Democratic)

    1985-1989: Donald Rumsfeld/Jesse Helms (Republican)
    1984: Daniel Inouye/Patrick Leahy (Democratic)
    1988: Jim Jones/Leo Ryan (Democratic)

    Alright, here we go. A watered down voting rights bill gives the Republicans enough of a push in the North to topple New York and send Richard Nixon into the White House. Once in 1600 Penn, Nixon plays a very good President Focus Group. Nixon continues to waffle on civil rights and pushes forward a civil rights bill that even Barry Goldwater supports (see: a really fucking weak one). In foreign policy, Nixon's presidency is marred by continued support for the right-wing elements in the ever increasingly bloody Cuban Civil War. Historians still debate whether or not Nixon could have redeemed himself with a second term, or at least, moved on to greater things, but he would be gunned down in December, 1963, thrusting Nelson Rockefeller into a curious position.

    For all his talk and bluster, Nelson Rockefeller didn't accomplish much of anything. To be fair, he never had much time, but still. Running on the bloody banner of Dick Nixon and 'four more years' Rockefeller was able to pull ahead of Senator John F. Kennedy. At least until his affairs came out. Rockefeller's lead was decimated by the revelation of a six-year long affair and JFK and his campaign team (spearheaded by Robert F. Kennedy) absolutely pounded it in. A one-on-one debate between Kennedy and Rockefeller proved absolutely disastrous for the President. Ronald Reagan decides to forgo any public support for either candidate (mostly due to Rockefeller's moderate and liberal tendencies than anything else) and the end result is an utter bloodbath for the Republicans as southerners vote as a bloc for Faubus' Dixiecrats and everyone else would rather just vote for Kennedy.

    Kennedy was dealt a bad deck, a really bad deck. Urban unrest and protest movements turning to violence made Kennedy look really bad, especially given his harder push for civil rights. Thankfully, Speaker Albert helped Kennedy avoid an absolute disaster legislatively but still things were not going well in his direct by the midterms. Republicans win big in the midterms and, much to the chagrin of former President Rockefeller, the conservative faction is clearly on top. This does not come out any more clear than in the razor-thin victory of former actor Ronald Reagan against incumbent Californian Governor Pat Brown.

    1967 is a turbulent time around the world. Czechoslovakia's communist government falls to revolutionaries and the country is divided as the Czech Republic and Slovakia (in the American and Soviet spheres, respectively). This failure on the global stage, resulted in the removal of Soviet leader Khrushchev shortly thereafter. America would ramp up its involvement in the conflicts in Vietnam and Cuba (now referred to by the general public as a 'War', and 'Quagmire' respectively). Meanwhile, the Indians and Pakistanis would once again spar to a draw.

    An energetic primary challenge is enough to drive the saber right into the collapsing Kennedy administration and by the convention John Connally of Texas is the next Democratic nominee. The only thing that saves the Democrats' electoral chances that year was the nomination of the utterly loathsome (at least to most of the American public) Barry Goldwater by the Republicans. And then, in an election that was already giving too many people flashbacks to 1924, Senators Eugene McCarthy and McGovern, long against the candidacy of Connally, announced their independent liberal campaign, in the vein of LaFollette's historical one.

    As one might imagine, the election was a complete and utter clusterfuck and the Progressives (as they took to being called) even managed to grab a couple states, despite the disheveled nature of their campaign. The electoral college is hung and much to McCarthy's delight, their supporters in Congress now select who goes to the White House. Their selections were predictable. Connally was more favorable to civil rights than Goldwater, just as Scranton was to Yorty.

    Connally's term in office begins about as well as his predecessor's ended. The riots continued even though a "law and order" candidate was now in office and so would America's military presence overseas. On the plus side, the War in Cuba finally ended in the fall of 1969, bringing a seven-year and bloody conflict to a close. On the downside, Vietnam would only get worse and more bloody with a sinking public approval by the day (especially after the death of Vice President Scranton on a visit to the front lines).

    Of those who still supported the War in Vietnam, they were left clamoring for blood following the death of the VP. The Connally administration is encouraged to double down in the region and the nation's attention is turned towards Southeast Asia. Republican and Progressive gains in the midterms places Connally on shaky ground as he witnesses his base collapsing due to failure to govern effectively from what was basically the middle of the American political spectrum.

    Around the world, the world gets darker. European nations become aggressive in holding on to their colonies and Japan becomes nationalistic, shocking the world but its bogged down allies can't afford to give it any attention. A lighter note of the year 1971 is the American moon landing, and while a few more would occur in the following four years, the rest of the missions would be shelved by a hard scrabble Connally administration.

    The 1972 election would become yet another mess. Conservative Republicans dominated as they had in previous elections and their party's nominee would be John Tower. Connally would survive, albeit barely, a challenge from George McGovern over the Vietnam War. All of this left the nascent Progressive Party simmering and they were revitalized again to defend the left of the political spectrum. Gore Vidal would be nominated due to his closeness to protest groups and would select the former liberal Republican Pete McCloskey as his running mate. This election is as much as a nailbiter as the last one but the morning after voting the race can narrowly be called for Connally. Historians attribute his victory to fierce and vicious campaign tactics that would draw him into legal trouble following his presidency.

    Vietnam becomes a meat grinder by 1974 and the continued American support of the clearly lagging Vietnamese enrages the nation's youth and liberals, already incensed by the prior War in Cuba. Popular opinion turns viciously against the war in the midterms and through this rise in liberal sentiment, the Republicans take advantage of a split vote and take both houses of congress.

    Unsurprisingly, the situation in Europe degrades. Salazar is overthrown in Portugal only to be replaced by Soviet-backed communists. The National Front take over in France as the French continue their colonial struggles. Various other European right wingers are given bumps in their respective parliaments (ad nauseam).

    In 1976, Saigon falls to the North Vietnamese and the slow American withdrawal that had begun a year prior rapidly accelerates. Jumping on this train of jingoistic rage is Ronald Reagan who makes a vow in his Republican campaign to "Make America Great Again" in an odd appeal to some vague nostalgia. The Democrats select Vice President Scoop Jackson to be their sacrificial lamb in the midst of a lost war and an economy in a tailspin. The Progressives meanwhile nominated two activists: Jerry Brown and Cesar Chevez following a ruthless primary season. Predictably, Reagan curb-stomps his opponents, sweeps the South, and sails into the White House.

    Amid this fear and loathing, Reagan acts as you would expect. No better at law and order than his predecessor (a lot more national guard on the streets though) and arguably worse at managing the economy. To many it feels that the country is breaking down, this opinion rises substantially following the Energy Crisis that occurs once the Middle East is thrown into chaos by a wave of fundamentalist revolts. Oh, and just to make things worse, German nationalists make a resurgence.

    By 1980, Ronald Reagan is not in a good position, but neither are the Democrats. Following the absorption of the Progressive Party after a disappointing 1978 midterm, the Democrats find themselves leaderless and squabbling. Progressive favorite George McGovern is nominated by a divided convention amid hisses and boos. Reagan collects splitting conservative Democrats or "Reagan Democrats" who are comfortable enough with him to not run on their own. Even with domestic chaos and economic free fall, McGovern still gets killed.

    The world descends during the early 1980s. Reagan saber rattles with a freshly inaugurated hardline Soviet government, Africa (still fighting colonial wars) falls into maddening local conflicts, the Middle East struggles to recover from years of religious warfare, the Chinese and Japanese posture, Europe becomes increasingly dominated by hard right wing elements, and Britain refuses to join the European Customs Union.

    The Republicans suffer some losses to a divided Democratic Party in the 1982 midterms, most notably the California Governorship goes to Jim Jones. The Democrats use this momentum, no matter how small it may be, to take the attack to likely 1984 nominee Donald Rumsfeld. After another arduous primary and convention (becoming a bit more of a regular thing now), the Democrats nominate Daniel Inouye and Patrick Leahy as Rumsfeld heads out, now geared up with former Southern Democrat Jesse Helms.

    In the end, Inouye just isn't able to win enough northern votes to account for the Republicans' southern dominance, this compounded with ruthless campaigning by Rumsfeld's campaign manager Lee Atwater led to a sorry state of affairs for the Democratic Party on election day.

    The world continues to get worse (see: above). German nationalists (see: Nazis) take over Germany and South Africa begins to, like its unfortunate neighbors, descend into racial warfare. This, of course, gets worse with the Stock Market crash of 1987.

    The struggling American economy gets thrown off a cliff and the social safety net is not there to prevent most Americans from falling, hard. Through this economic anxiety, Governor Jim Jones announces his run for president based on economic issues. The following campaign between Rumsfeld and Jones is vicious though by October Jones has the upper hand just due to the dire straits of America's economic situation. That is, until Gerhard Frey (yes, the Nazi one), who is Prime Minister of West Germany catches wind of a minor firefight that had occurred on their border with the East Germans, resulting the wounding of one West German soldier. This pushes war between the superpowers to the brink as Rumsfeld backs up Frey and the Soviets stick to their guns. This fear is enough to barely push Rumsfeld over Jones.

    Days later, on November 14, 1988, the Doomsday Clock hits midnight.
  4. Frank Hart When Your Hometown Doesn't Feel Like Home

    Jul 12, 2017
    Hong Kong
    Oh the fucking irony!
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  5. glenn67 Well-Known Member

    Apr 4, 2007
    Jones and Ryan are both from California. They cannot run on the same ticket.
  6. True Grit The Box Ghost

    Aug 31, 2013
    It’s not impossible, one of them just needs to pull a Cheney and change their home state.
  7. glenn67 Well-Known Member

    Apr 4, 2007
    Jim Jones is the Governor of California. I assume that Ryan is a Congressman from outside San Francisco going into 1988; he will not be able to changing his residential address if he does not resign from his House district.
  8. theev Suede-Denim Secret Police

    May 7, 2015
    Yeah I noticed this afterwards. Maybe throw in a guy like Jesse Jackson instead?
  9. Luke_Starkiller Opportunity Democrat; Cold War Junkie

    Mar 7, 2016
    B-Town, USA
    Jones was born in Indiana. As religious as many Hoosiers are, there's a chance he could rise as some sort of "Christian Left" figure for WWC Democrats there.
  10. Kaiser Julius Well-Known Member

    Feb 21, 2017
    Here's something similar...

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  11. DoritosandmtnDew Member

    Dec 29, 2018
    Reagan doesn't run

    40. George HW Bush/Bob Dole (R)
    41. Bob Dole/Richard Lugar (R)

    42. Bill Clinton/Jerry Brown (D)

    43. Donald Trump/John F Kennedy Jr (Reform)
    44. John F Kennedy Jr/Jesse Ventura (RF)

    45. George W Bush/John Kasich (R)
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  12. Ben Crouch Semi-Pro NASCAR historian.

    Jan 19, 2018
    Abingdon Maryland
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  13. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    Dewey Defeats Roosevelt in 1944:

    32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945), D-NY
    33. Thomas E. Dewey (1945-1949), R-NY
    34. William O. Douglas (1949-1953), D-WA
    34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961), R-PA
    35. Richard Nixon (1961-1965), R-CA

    36. John F. Kennedy (1965-1973), D-MA
    37. George Romney (1973-1977), R-MI
    38. Henry Jackson (1977-1981), D-WA
    39. George H.W. Bush (1981-1989), R-TX
    40. Mario Cuomo (1989-1997), D-NY
    41. Al Gore (1997-2001), D-TN

    42. John McCain (2001-2009), R-AZ
    43. Christine Todd Whitman (2009-2013), R-NJ

    43. Barack Obama (Since 2013), D-IL
  14. Jamee999 Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2008
    Hey, it's another analogue list.

    Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

    1899-1903: George Goschen (Conservative)
    1903-1911: Arthur Balfour (Conservative)
    1911-1919: Ramsay McDonald (Labour)
    1919-1925: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative)
    1925-1931: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative)
    1931-1933: J.R. Clynes (Labour)
    1933-1934: Arthur Henderson (Labour)
    1935-1936: William Anderson (Labour)
    1936-1940: George Lansbury (Labour)
    1940-1947: Clement Attlee (Labour)
    1947-1949: Winston Churchill (Conservative)
    1949-1953: Clement Attlee (Labour)
    1953-1955: Winston Churchill (Conservative)
    1955-1961: Clement Attlee (Labour)
    1961-1971: Harold Wilson (Labour)
    1971-1977: James Callaghan (Labour)
    1977-1987: Michael Foot (Labour)
    1987-1989: Michael Martin (Labour)
    1989-1995: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
    1995-1999: William Hague (Conservative)
    1999-2007: Jimmy Saville (Conservative)
    2007-2011: Margaret Beckett (Labour)
    2011-2015: Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative)
    2015-2019: George Osbourne (Conservative)
    2019-????: Margaret Beckett (Labour)
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  15. The_Russian Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2017
    Just watched BTTF for like the 20th time. Got inspired:
    “That’s uh, John F. Kennedy drive.”
    “Who the hell is John F. Kennedy”
    34. Dwight Eisenhower (Republican-KS) / Richard Nixon (Republican-CA) 1953-1961
    35. Richard Nixon (Republican-CA) / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican-MA) 1961-1969

    36. Hubert Humphrey (Democrat-MN) / Edmund Muskie (Democrat-ME) 1969-1977
    37. Jimmy Carter (Democrat-GA) / Walter Mondale (Democrat-MN)

    “Who’s president of the United States in 1985?”
    “Ronald Reagan”

    38. Ronald Reagan (Republican-CA) / George H.W. Bush (Republican-TX) 1981-1989
    39. George H.W. Bush (Republican-TX) / Dan Quayle (Republican-IN) 1989-1993

    40. Bill Clinton (Democrat-AR) / Al Gore (Democrat-TN) 1993-2001
    41. George W. Bush (Republican-TX) / Dick Cheyney (Republican-WY) 2001-2009
    In BTTF2 there is a newspaper saying that the president is female in 2015 so....
    42. Hillary Clinton (Democrat-NY) / Joe Biden (Democrat-DE) 2009-2017
    43. Donald Trump (Republican-NY) / Nikki Haley (Republican-SC) 2017-present
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  16. CapitalistHippie Peace, love, and free markets.

    Apr 11, 2018
    The Plot Against America, Revised and Revisited
    Charles Lindbergh/Gerald Nye 1941-1942 (Disappeared in a flight)

    1940: Def. Franklin D. Roosevelt/Henry Wallace
    The famous aviator won the presidency largely by denouncing his opponent as a warmonger who would inevitably bring the US into the Second World War. Lindbergh generally followed through on his promise to keep the US out of the war, signing agreements with the Germans and Japanese to guarantee peace. He vetoed legislation aimed at sending war materiels to assist Britain in the conflict and often praised the Nazi regime for standing up to the communist powers. Lindbergh's domestic policies were rather mediocre-he did not seek to build upon or reduce the New Deal in a meaningful way. What he did do was attempt to pass legislation that would "Americanize" the Jewish population, though this would largely fail to get off the ground. His administration came to an ignoble end in 1942, when he disappeared on a flight en route to Europe (which he had personally sought to carry out). Lindbergh's death has been a fixture in many conspiracy theories, with sympathizers claiming pro-war elements of the US government, the Jewish community, the USSR and/or the British had him killed, while detractors claim Lindbergh was a Nazi agent whose death was orchestrated by the Axis after he was deemed to have served his purpose.
    Gerald Nye/vacant 1942-1945
    Nye had been a staunch opponent of intervention into World War II, an anti-Semite and a close ally of Lindbergh. Thus it was greatly ironic that Nye would be forced to lead the US into the Second World War. The Axis, believing (erroneously) that Lindbergh's disappearance was a coup of some sort, would launch surprise attacks on US military bases in the Pacific in the case of Japan and declare war in the case of Germany. Nye would struggle to lead the US in this conflict, with Japan occupying the Philippines, Guam, the Aleutian Islands and the Hawaiian Islands thanks to poor defensive planning. US forces sent to North Africa to aid the British fared far better by comparison, with the Axis being pushed out by 1944. Hawaii would also be liberated the same year. Despite these advancements, Nye would be defeated in 1944 by a man offering a steadier hand to lead the country.
    Cordell Hull/Paul V. McNutt 1945-1953
    1944: Def. Gerald Nye/Arthur Vandenburg
    1948: Def. Thomas Dewey/Earl Warren
    Hull had been FDR's Secretary of State and promised to show the kind of steady leadership Roosevelt had in facing the Great Depression to lead the nation to victory over the Axis. Hull proved as good as his word, bringing the war to an end in 1946, albeit at a heavy cost as hundreds of thousands of US troops met their demise during the invasion of Kyushu that ultimately precipitated Japan's surrender. Additionally, most of Europe had been "liberated" by the USSR, which established satellite states in every nation east of Germany, as well as in northern Italy. Hull would have to reckon with the rise of the USSR, which he sought to handle with rebuilding aid to Europe, efforts to contain the spread of communism. To that end, Hull sent aid to anti-communist forces in Greece (who lost) and France (where they won) and sent troops to help the Republic of China fend off the threat of communist takeover (which drew into the 1950's, but managed to end in an ROC triumph). Hull also presided over the first successful nuclear test, detonating a nuclear weapon in Arizona in 1951. Hull nevertheless struggled on domestic issues. He struggled to balance the concerns of liberals in the Democratic Party about African-American civil rights with the hostility to such notions from southern segregationists. Hull committing to strict neutrality was key in preventing a walkout by the southern Democrats in 1948 and the walkout by hardcore left-wingers led by Henry Wallace fell apart after his running mate Alger Hiss was accused and convicted of being a Soviet spy. Republicans in Congress weakened Hull's efforts to bolster New Deal programs and Hull himself signed legislation limiting the power of labor unions. Well a definite improvement over his predecessor, Hull's popularity in 1952 was rather low and the Republicans made a comeback that year.
    Harold Stassen/George S. Patton 1953-1957
    Harold Stassen/William F. Knowland 1957-1961

    1952: Def. Adlai Stevenson/Strom Thurmond
    1956: Def. Lyndon B. Johnson/John F. Kennedy
    Stassen was a young, charismatic Midwesterner with strong anti-communist credentials and a healthy moderate streak. Stassen's presidency saw the emergence of the civil rights movement, which Stassen would grant support to. Stassen's endorsement helped the movement take off without falling victim to anti-communist demagoguery as Stassen, despite his backing of civil rights, would prove to be a strong opponent of communism. Stassen endorsed investigations into suspected communists and sought to ban the Communist Party in the United States. His proposal would pass Congress, but be overruled by the Supreme Court to Stassen's chagrin. Beyond that, Stassen would help the US triumph in China and saber-rattled frequently against the Soviet threat. This ultimately would culminate in the Third World War in 1958, as Soviet forces crossed the border between the two Italies and between Germany and the Netherlands. Fighting initially remained conventional until the Soviets dropped an atomic bomb on the battlefield in northern France, seeking to break the defenses of the country. However, as Stassen knew, this was the Soviets' first nuclear weapon. With several dozen weapons in the American arsenal, Stassen swiftly was able to launch a mass nuclear strike on the USSR, destroying Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. This attack broke the USSR, led to the end of their puppet states and made Stassen among the most reviled men in history. Stassen would spend the remainder of his term focused on domestic issues and sending aid to the countries impacted.
    Curtis LeMay/Barry Goldwater 1961-1965
    1960: Def. Pat Brown/J. William Fulbright
    The hero of the Third World War both won and lost in a landslide. LeMay won on the strength of his military career and many Americans were not fully aware of his exact political views. As it turned out, LeMay was a staunch conservative like his running mate and was skeptical if not outright opposed to the New Deal. LeMay's efforts to cut the government down in size happened to intersect with the beginnings of a postwar slump, which many blamed on LeMay's policies. LeMay additionally alienated both sides of the civil rights debate by backing throroughly watered-down legislation that segregationists saw as a threat and activists viewed as meaningless. LeMay also faced controversy over his handling of communist insurgents in Cuba, as he threatened to nuke Havana in the event that they came to power. While he backed off from this threat (instead choosing to merely send in Marines), the damage to his reputation was done.
    George Wallace/Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. 1965-1973
    1964: Def. Curtis LeMay/Barry Goldwater, Hubert Humphrey/John Lindsey
    1968: Def. Barry Goldwater/George W. Romney
    Wallace had made a name for himself as a flaming segregationist and staunch New Dealer in Alabama. Wallace's presidency saw the Cuban War grind on, Europe face turmoil from neo-communist and neo-Nazi insurgencies and other foreign threats increase. Wallace earned widespread admiration for adroitly handling many of these issues, triumphing in Cuba, crushing the uprisings in Europe and helping Israel fend off an invasion by Arab states. Wallace also expanded the welfare state, implementing national healthcare and ushering in new environmental regulations. On the other hand, Wallace opposed civil rights initiatives and cultural liberalism in general, with former Vice President Goldwater running to Wallace's left on civil rights, women's rights and drug policy in 1968. Wallace's presidency, despite the poor handling of civil rights, was generally seen by most as a successful one.
    Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr./John Rarick 1973-1977
    1972: Def. Nelson Rockefeller/Gerald Ford, John Lindsey/George McGovern
    Kennedy, a member of a prominent political family and the first Catholic president, was one of the least successful presidents of the modern era. Kennedy held many of the views of his father, an isolationist who nearly crossed party lines to back Lindbergh in 1940. Kennedy sought to scale back the US role in the world, citing communism's defeat abroad. However, Kennedy's withdrawel from Cuba proved to be too hasty and communists would manage to make a comeback in the region and additionally would mount terrorist attacks on the US. Kennedy's cutting of aid to Europe led to the rise of neofascist governments in France and Italy, which led to escalating tensions between them and the more democratic bloc led by Germany and Britain. Kennedy's opposition to civil rights, which he shared with his predecessor, would cause more issues than Wallace's stance did, as he attempted to violently crack down on civil rights groups protesting in the aftermath of the death of civil rights leader Malcolm Little in 1974. The brutality of the crackdown appalled many and, while the economy was more to blame for his reelection defeat, many believe Little's death was the moment Kennedy lost the country.
    Mark Hatfield/John Tower 1977-1985
    1976: Def. Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr./John Rarick
    1980: Def. Robert Byrd/Henry Jackson
    Hatfield's election was widely seen as a repudiation of Kennedy and his administration would solidify the status of the two parties. Hatfield combined general fiscal conservatism (albeit not absolutist) with progressive stances on most social issues, passing renewed civil rights legislation. This of course led to increased violence for a time in the south, including a revival in the Ku Klux Klan under the leadership of David Duke. However, Hatfield's administration successfully pursued civil rights policies to the point that even 1980 Democratic nominee Robert Byrd at least in public repudiated the segregationist policies of the past. Hatfield's tax cuts (bringing the top rate from 85% down to 60%) and mild deregulation were credited with sparking economic growth. Hatfield also navigated challenges on foreign affairs, as the "New Axis" of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Poland threatened to launch a war against the more democratic nations of Germany, Britain, Austria, Belgium and the like. Hatfield would sign defensive agreements with the anti-fascist nations of Europe, which would halt the threats of war long enough for the neofascist bloc to begin to unravel. Hatfield was also forced to launch an intervention into Siberia to help reeestablish order and sustain the population as an unusually cold winter drove thousands of Russians to attempt to illegall cross the Bering Strait into Alaska in 1983. Hatfield was a generally successful president, but nevertheless his party would fail to win in 1984.
    Dick Lamm/Robert Casey 1985-1993
    1984: Def. James Baker/Jack Kemp
    1988: Def. Shirley Temple-Black/Jerry Brown
    Lamm was the first "New Democrat" president-that is, a Democrat who rejected the segregationist ideologies of the past in favor of immigration control, pseudo-isolationism and economic populism. Lamm's presidency saw the US implement strict immigration controls, capping legal immigration at 750,000 annually and funding a wall along the Mexican-American border (begun in 1986 and finished in 1992). Lamm also would seek to renegotiate the terms of defensive agreements with Britain and other European nations, convincing them to agree to increase their defense spending so the US could cut theirs to focus on more domestic programs. Lamm's most popular program was the AmeriJobs program implemented in 1988 when the economy began to slump. AmeriJobs helped provide unemployed Americans with temporary employment on various government infrastructure programs and, while decried by Republicans as a boondoggle, did earn Lamm a significant amount of popularity overall. Lamm also backed efforts to ban abortion nationwide (largely at the behest of his vice president rather than conviction on his part). However, this effort failed, but remained a key Democratic policy wish. Lamm's presidency was also the first Democratic presidential campaign since the 1940's to actively court African-American voters (a solidly Republican demographic since the Wallace years) and he successfully made that community's votes almost evenly split, even as other minority groups such as Asians and Hispanics mostly voted Republican.
    Dick Gephardt/Douglas Wilder 1993-1997
    1992: Def. Bill Weld/John McCain
    Gephardt largely continued the policies of the Lamm administration and presided over the collapse of the last remaining neofascist government in Italy in 1994. However, Gephardt would soon find himself having to reckon with a new threat: neo-Sovietism. This threat was largely the result of basically abandoning the former USSR to their fate for nearly forty years and saw the self-proclaimed "Second Stalin" (born Aleksandr Dugin) reunify multiple statelets west of the Ural Mountains and embark on attempts to reclaim control of Belarus, Latvia, the Ukraine and the Caucasus countries. Gephardt would launch air strikes on Dugin's forces, but largely fail to halt their advance. Gephard consequently would lose in 1996 to someone the country believed could win the war.
    Colin Powell/Mike Curb 1997-2005
    1996: Def. Dick Gephardt/Douglas Wilder
    2000: Def. Robert Casey/Mike Huckabee, Mike Gravel/Ron Paul
    Powell was the nation's first African-American president and had served with distinction in Hatfield's Siberian intervention and thus was seen as a solid choice to defeat Dugin's New Soviet Union. Powell's presidency did see success in halting Dugin's forces from advancing and ultimately pushing them back. However, the war quickly entered a stalemate, as American and allied forces managed to prevent New Soviet advances but could not advance themselves. This ultimately provoked the rise of a peace movement in the US, favoring negotiation with Dugin rather than continuing to fight them. However, Powell rejected these calls (as did most Americans at the time) and stayed the course in Russia. However, Powell's failure to take decisive measures would mean the war would continue to grind on past the end of his term. Meanwhile, domestically, Powell had virtually no accomplishments to his name beyond mild tax code changes and the implementation of a federal assault weapons ban, which passed relatively uncontroversially.
    Lisa Murkowski/Lincoln Chafee 2005-2009
    2004: Def. Ben Nelson/Gary Bauer, Mike Gravel/Ron Paul
    The first female president fared worse than Powell did by far. The war against the New Soviet Union began to go south, as Dugin's armies once again gained ground in the Ukraine. Additionally, the economy tanked dramatically in her first year in office and failed to turn around in a reasonable timeframe. Murkowski soon found herself beleagured on all sides and facing a Democratic opponent who claimed to have the key to ending the war triumphantly. Coupled with the failing economy, Murkowski would lose in a landslide, even being outperformed by that year's Peace Party nominee in the electoral college.
    Wesley Clark/Joe Manchin 2009-2017
    2008: Def. Ron Paul/Ralph Nader, Lisa Murkowski/Lincoln Chafee
    2012: Def. Jon Huntsman/Rick Scott, Jim Webb/Chuck Hagel
    Clark, like Powell, was a general and a relatively good one. For this reason, many hoped Clark would have what it took to win the war on the New Soviet Union. However, Clark's solutions to the war would prove to be terrifying. Clark used nuclear weapons on the New Soviet Union, hoping Stassen's methods would succeed once again. However, Dugin's paranoia meant that he was able to avoid dying in any of these attacks, which further radicalized the Soviets. Furthermore, these tactics earned the US hostility from the rest of the world, with the UN nearly voting to impose sanctions on the country. This only increased following Clark's implementation of totalitarian policies to wage the war on the New Soviet Union, opening up internment camps for "disloyal" (read: antiwar) Americans. These camps, while ultimately closed down following a Supreme Court ruling in the case of Paul v. US, were open from 2011 to 2015 and were a black mark on the reputation of the whole United States. Clark's efforts to address the ongoing recession amounted to shifting the economy into gear for "total war" on the New Soviet Union, a strategy which unfortunately would fail to provide the necessary relief. Additionally, Clark was forced to cut the budget for healthcare and AmeriJobs to continue funding the war effort. By 2016, the war seemed to have no end in sight and the Democrats were widely unpopular. Even so, few could have expected the results to occur.
    Dean Barkley/Gary Johnson 2017-
    2016: Def. Joe Manchin/Harold Ford, Jr., Jeff Flake/Susan Collins
    The Peace Party, after nearly twenty years of work, finally broke the stranglehold of the Democrats and Republicans on the White House. Barkley came to office promising "peace with honor," the restoration of civil liberties infringed by the Clark administration and holding Clark administration officials accountable for potential war crimes. Barkley’s success so far has been mixed-on one hand, he has gotten sanctions relief from those nations that sought to embargo the US over the Clark administration's conduct, the economy has begun to turn around and the US has entered into peace talks with Dugin's regime. On the other hand, talks have been proceeding slow and at the moment, US troops continue to die in the Ukraine and Caucasus. Only time will tell if Barkley can negotiate an end to America's longest war.
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  17. SandroPertini98 Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2018
    Presidents of Californian Republic:
    Hiram Johnson 1915-1931 Progressive
    James Rolph Jr 1931-1934 Radical Party
    Frank Finlay Merriam 1934-1935 R

    Upton Ball Sinclair 1935-1947 Socialist
    Earl Warren 1947-1955 R
    William Fife Knowland 1955-1963 R
    Richard Milhous Nixon 1963-1968 R
    Robert Hutchinson Finch 1968-1971 R

    Ronald Wilson Reagan 1971-1979 P
    Edmund Gerald "Jerry" Brown 1979-1983 P

    George Deukmejan 1983-1987 R
    Michael Curb 1987-1991 P
    Peter Wilson 1991-1995 R
    Diane Feinstein 1995-2003 P
    Leon Panetta 2003-2011 P
    Peter Navarro 2011-2015 P
    Edmund Gerald "Jerry" Brown 2015-2019 P

    Mark Leno 2019-... Socialist-Green Equality Party
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  18. Hubert Humphrey Fan 1968 RIP Japhy

    Sep 5, 2017
    A while ago I started making an analogue with Canada as the UK. However, that turned out to be harder then expected so I gave up. However, I do still have that unfinished list, and I thought I should post it (besides, maybe this will inspire me to finish it):

    Prime Ministers of Canada:
    1935-1945: William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal)

    1935: R.B. Bennett (Liberal-Conservative), John Blackmore (Social Credit), J.S. Woodsworth (CCF), H.H. Stevens (Reconstruction)
    1940: Robert Manion (National Government/Liberal-Conservative), William Herridge (New Democracy/Social Credit), J.S. Woodsworth (CCF)

    1945-1951: M.J. Coldwell (CCF)
    1945: William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal), John Bracken (Progressive Conservative), Solon Earl Low (Social Credit)

    1949 (Minority): Louis St. Laurent (Liberal), George Drew (Progressive Conservative), Solon Earl Low (Social Credit)
    1951-1954: Louis St. Laurent (Liberal)
    1951: M.J. Coldwell (CCF), Solon Earl Low (Social Credit), George Drew (Progressive Conservative)

    • The CCF sweeps to an unexpected majority in 1945.
    • King resigns and is replaced by his hand picked successor Louis St. Laurent.
    • The CCF government introduces many Left-wing reforms, but as any first time government does, they have growing pains. The red scare hysteria of this period does them no favours either. They are cut to a minority in 1949.
    • St. Laurent's anti-communist campaign essentially squeezes the PCs, and they end up only 10 or so seats ahead of Social Credit.
    • The Liberals win the 1951 election but lose the popular vote.
    • The PCs fall into 4th place behind Social Credit, a historic first (And I think with time, they'd be forced to merge with the Liberals).
    • St. Laurent is forced out by scandal.
  19. The_Russian Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2017
    Eisenhower’s Heart Attack-A more Libertarian GOP, and a more Populist Democratic Party
    34. Dwight Eisenhower (Republican-KS) / Richard Nixon (Republican-CA) 1953-1955*
    35. Richard Nixon (Republican-CA) 1955-1961 / Vacant 1955-1957 / Arthur B. Langlie (Republican-WA) 1957-1961
    36. John F. Kennedy (Democrat-MA) / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat-MA) 1961-1963*
    37. Lyndon B. Johnson 1963-1969 / VACANT 1963-1965 / Hubert Humphrey (Democrat-MN) 1965-1969
    38. Barry Goldwater (Republican-AZ) / Margaret Chase Smith (Republican-ME) 1969-1977
    39. George Wallace (Democrat-AL) / Robert Byrd (Democrat-WV) 1977-1981

    40. Ronald Reagan(Republican-CA) / George H.W. Bush (Republican-TX) 1981-1989
    41. George H.W. Bush (Republican-TX) / Jack Kemp (Republican-NY) 1989-1993

    42. Robert Byrd (Democrat-WV) / Al Gore (Democrat-TN) 1993-2001
    43. Ron Paul (Republican-TX) / Gary Johnson (Republican-NM) 2001-2009

    44. John Kerry (Democrat-MA) / John Edwards (Democrat-NC) 2009-2017
    45. Donald Trump (Republican-NY) / Rand Paul (Republican-KY) 2017-present
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  20. Ben Crouch Semi-Pro NASCAR historian.

    Jan 19, 2018
    Abingdon Maryland
    Changing Carter to McGovern