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Brundlefly

A 'reversed' five percent threshold

Okay, here's a bit of a crazy thing. In the night before the German federal elections, I was binge-watching some older campaign clips of the more obscure small parties in Germany along with some mates of mine. Those included some outright bizarre outfits, ranging from Trotskyites to pensioners' interest parties, proponents of Bavarian independence, and downright lunatics (e.g. the Civil Rights Movement Solidarity, which aims to build "the new Silk Road" and once had the campaign slogan "Nuclear energy is safer than sex"!). So I had the idea of taking those parties that didn't make it into the parliament due to the 5%-threshold, adding their total voter shares (not including the parties that actually did made it into the Bundestag) and then looking how the parliament and governing coalitions would have looked like. My personal surprise was that the Grey Panthers (a pensioners' party) appeared regularly among the better-performing small parties in the 1990s and 2000s. Here goes...


1949-1952: Josef Baumgartner (Bavaria Party - Centre Party coalition)
def. Heinrich Hellwege (German Party), Fritz Stricker (Centre Party), Alfred Loritz (Economic Reconstruction League), Wilhelm Jaeger (German Conservative Party – German Right Party), Richard Batz (Radical Social Freedom Party)

1952-1953: Jakob Fischbacher (Bavaria Party - Centre Party coalition)

1953-1957: Heinrich Hellwege (German Party - GVP coalition)
def. Max Reimann (KPD), Joseph Baumgartner (Bavaria Party), Gustav Heinemann (GVP), Alexander Andrae (German Reich Party)

1957-1961: Theodor Oberländer (GB/BHE - German Reich Party coalition)
def. Heinrich Hellwege (German Party), Hermann Clausen (Federalist Union), Adolf von Thadden (German Reich Party)

1961-1965: Frank Seiboth (All-German Party)
def. Karl von Westphalen (German Peace Union), Adolf von Thadden (German Reich Party)

1965-1967: Friedrich Thielen (NPD)
def. Arno Behrisch (German Peace Union)

1967-1971: Adolf von Thadden (NPD)
1969 def. Werner Hofmann (Campaign for Democratic Progress)

1971-1976: Martin Mußgnug (NPD)
1972 def. Kurt Bachmann (DKP), Hans-Wittich von Gottberg (European Federalist Party)

1976-1980: Martin Mußgnug (NPD-AUD coalition)
def. Herbert Mies (DKP), Jürgen Horlemann (KPD-AO), August Haußleiter (AUD), Joscha Schmierer (Communist League of West Germany)

1980-1980: August Haußleiter (Greens)
def. Martin Mußgnug (NPD), Herbert Mies (DKP)

1980-1981: Dieter Burgmann (Greens)

1981-1982: Petra Kelly (Greens)

1982-1983: Manon Maren-Grisebach (Greens)

1983-1987: Martin Mußgnug (NPD-Christian Bavarian People's Party coalition)
def. Herbert Mies (DKP), Helga Zepp-LaRouche (European Workers' Party), Herbert Gruhl (ÖDP), Ludwig Volkholz (Christian Bavarian People's Party)

1987-1990: Martin Mußgnug (NPD minority)
def. Herbert Gruhl (ÖDP), Eva Rath (The Women), Maximilian Zierl (Bavaria Party)

1990-1998: Franz Schönhuber (Republicans)
def. Trude Unruh (Gray Panthers), Hans-Joachim Ritter (ÖDP), Martin Mußgnug (NPD)
1994 def. Trude Unruh (Gray Panthers), Hans-Joachim Ritter (ÖDP)

1998-2002: Rolf Schlierer (Republicans-DVU coalition)
def. Gerhard Frey (DVU), Bolko Hoffmann (ProDM), Trude Unruh (Gray Panthers)

2002-2005: Roland Schill (Schill Party - Republicans coalition)
def. Rolf Schlierer (Republicans), Udo Voigt (NPD), Jürgen Gerlach (Animal Protection Party), Trude Unruh (The Grays), Gerhard Heinzmann (Party of Bible-Abaiding Christians)

2005-2009: Udo Voigt (NPD - Republicans coalition)
def. Rolf Schlierer (Republicans), Trude Unruh (The Grays), Franz-Josef Breyer (Family Party), Jürgen Gerlach (Animal Protection Party), Gerhard Heinzmann (Party of Bible-Abaiding Christians)

2009-2013: Jens Seipenbusch (Pirates - Animal Protection Party coalition)
def. Udo Voigt (NPD), Stefan Bernhard Eck (Animal Protection Party), Rolf Schlierer (Republicans), Klaus Buchner (ÖDP)

2013-2017: Christian Lindner (FDP - Pirates coalition)
def. Bernd Lucke (AfD), Bernd Schlömer (Pirates), Holger Apfel (NPD), Stephan Werhahn (Free Voters)

2017- : Serdar Somuncu (The PARTY - Animal Protection Party - Pirates coalition)
def. Hubert Aiwanger (Free Voters), Sandra Lück (Animal Protection Party), Frank Franz (NPD), Patrick Schiffer (Pirates), Gabriela Schimmer-Göresz (ÖDP)
 
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2008-2014: John Key (National - C&S from Maori and ACT)
2008 def: Helen Clark (Labour), Russel Norman and Jeanette Fitzsimons (Green), Rodney Hide (ACT), Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples (Maori), Jim Anderton (Progressive), Taito Philip Field (Pacific)
2011 def: Phil Goff (Labour), Russel Norman and Metiria Turei (Green), Colin Craig (Conservative), Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples (Maori), Hone Harawira (Mana), Don Brash (ACT)
2011 Referendum: 52% FPP, 48% MMP
2014-2016: John Key (National)
2014 def: David Shearer (Labour), Te Ururoa Flavell (Maori), Colin Craig (Conservative), Hone Harawira (Mana)
2016-2017: Bill English (National)
2017-0000: Jacinda Ardern (Labour)
2017 def: Bill English (National), Te Ururoa Flavell (Maori), Hone Harawira (Mana), Chris Leitch (Democrats for Social Credit)
 
Cevolian

Cevolian

Ok so I was going to make a list using historical election data as if Britain used PR and try and rationalise it, but just doing 1918 on its own produced three lines of text so it may be a little too unwieldy...

1918-1922: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1918: (National Coalition with Conservatives, NDP and Coalition Labour) def - Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative), William Adamson (Labour), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), Eamon De Valera (Sinn Fein), John Dillon (IPP), George Nicoll Barnes (NDP), Henry Page Croft (National), William Henry Watkins (Co-Operative), none (Coalition Labour), Edward Carson (Labour Unionist), James Hogg (NFDSS), Edward Miles Nunnely (Agriculturalist)
 

Thomas1195

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Cevolian said:
Ok so I was going to make a list using historical election data as if Britain used PR and try and rationalise it, but just doing 1918 on its own produced three lines of text so it may be a little too unwieldy...

1918-1922: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1918: (National Coalition with Conservatives, NDP and Coalition Labour) def - Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative), William Adamson (Labour), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), Eamon De Valera (Sinn Fein), John Dillon (IPP), George Nicoll Barnes (NDP), Henry Page Croft (National), William Henry Watkins (Co-Operative), none (Coalition Labour), Edward Carson (Labour Unionist), James Hogg (NFDSS), Edward Miles Nunnely (Agriculturalist)
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How would the number of seats won look like?
 

The Red

XO Mapping said:
To celebrate today's election:
Bundeskanzlers of the North German Confederation
1867-1871: Graf Otto von Bismarck (Independent)
Reichskanzlers of the German Empire
1871-1890: Prinz Otto von Bismarck (Independent)
1890-1894: Graf Leo von Caprivi (Independent)
1894-1900: Prinz Chlodwig zu Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst (Independent)
1900-1909: Prinz Bernhard von Bülow (Independent)
1909-1917: Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg (Independent)
1917-1917: Georg Michaelis (Independent)
1917-1918: Graf Georg von Hertling (Zentrum)
1918-1918: Prinz Max von Baden (Independent)
1918-1919: Friedrich Ebert (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands-Unabhängige SPD coalition)
Reichskanzlers and Reichsministerpräsidents of the Weimar Republic
1919-1919: Philipp Scheidemann (SPD-Deutsche Demokratische Partei-Zentrum coalition)
1919 def. Adolf Gröber (Zentrum), Friedrich von Payer (DDP), Arthur von Posadowsky-Wehner (Deutschnationale Volkspartei), Hugo Hasse (USPD)
1919-1920: Gustav Bauer (SPD-DDP-Zentrum coalition)
1920-1920: Hermann Müller (SPD-DDP-Zentrum coalition)
1920-1921: Constantin Fehrenbach (Zentrum-DDP-Deutsche Volkspartei coalition)
1920 def. Hermann Müller (SPD), Arthur Crispien (USPD), Oskar Hergt (DNVP), Gustav Stresemann (DVP), Conrad Haußmann (DDP)
1921-1922: Joseph Wirth (Zentrum-DDP-Deutsche Volkspartei coalition)
1922-1923: Wilhelm Cuno (Independent-DVP-DDP-Zentrum-Bayerische Volkspartei coalition)
1923-1923: Gustav Stresemann (DVP-SPD-Zentrum-BVP coalition)
1923-1924: Wilhelm Marx (Zentrum-DVP-BVP-DDP coalition)
1924-1925: Wilhelm Marx (Zentrum-DVP-DDP coalition)
May 1924 def. Otto Wels (SPD), Oskar Hergt (DNVP), ? (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands), Gustav Stresemann (DVP), ? (Nationalsozialistische Freiheitsbewegung), ? (DDP), Heinrich Held (BVP)
1925-1926: Hans Luther (Independent-DVP-DNVP-Zentrum-DDP-BVP coalition)
Dec 1924 def. Otto Wels (SPD), Kuno von Westarp (DNVP), Wilhelm Marx (Zentrum), Gustav Stresemann (DVP), ? (KPD), Erich Koch-Weser (DDP), Heinrich Held (BVP)
1926-1926: Hans Luther (Independent-DVP-Zentrum-DDP-BVP coalition)
1926-1926: Wilhelm Marx (Zentrum-DVP-DDP-BVP coalition)
1926-1928: Wilhelm Marx (Zentrum-DNVP-DVP-BVP coalition)
1928-1930: Hermann Müller (SPD-DVP-DDP-Zentrum-BVP coalition)
1928 def. Kuno von Westarp (DNVP), Wilhelm Marx (Zentrum), Ernst Thälmann (KPD), Gustav Stresemann (DVP), Heinrich Held (BVP)
1930-1931: Heinrich Brüning (Zentrum-DDP-DVP-Wirtschaftspartei-BVP-Konservative Volkspartei coalition)
1930 def. Otto Wels (SPD), Adolf Hitler (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), Ernst Thälmann (KPD), Alfred Hugenberg (DNVP), Heinrich Held (BVP)
1931-1932: Heinrich Brüning (Zentrum-Deutsche Staatspartei-BVP-KVP-Christliches Landvolk coalition)
1932-1932: Franz von Papen (Zentrum-DNVP)
Jul 1932 def. Adolf Hitler (NSDAP), Otto Wels (SPD), Ernst Thälmann (KPD), Gustav Stresemann (DVP), Heinrich Held (BVP)
1932-1932: Franz von Papen (Independent-DNVP)
1932-1933: Kurt von Schleicher (Independent-DNVP)
Nov 1932 def. Adolf Hitler (NSDAP), Otto Wels (SPD), Ernst Thälmann (KPD), Gustav Stresemann (DVP), Heinrich Held (BVP)
Reichskanzlers of Nazi Germany
1933-1933: Adolf Hitler (NSDAP-DNVP coalition)
1933 def. Otto Wels (SPD), Ernst Thälmann (KPD), Ludwig Kaas (Zentrum), Alfred Hugenburg (DNVP)
1933-1945: Adolf Hitler† (NSDAP one-party rule)
1945-1945: Joseph Goebbels† (NSDAP one-party rule)
1945-1945: Lutz Graf Schwerin von Krosigk (Independent-NSDAP coalition)
1945-1949: Occupied by America, Britain, France, and the Soviet Union

Bundeskanzlers of West Germany
1949-1953: Konrad Adenauer (Christlich Demokratische Union/Christlich-Soziale Union-Freie Demokratische Partei-Deutsche Partei coalition)
1949 def. Kurt Schumacher (SPD), Franz Blücher (FDP), Max Reimann (KPD), Ludwig Lallinger (Bayernpartei), Heinrich Hellwege (Deutsche Partei)
1953-1957: Konrad Adenauer (CDU/CSU-FDP-Freie Volkspartei-DP-Gesamtdeutscher Block/Bund der Heimatvertriebenen und Entrechteten coalition)
1953 def. Erich Ollenhauer (SPD), Franz Blücher (FDP), Waldemar Kraft (GB/BHE), Heinrich Hellwege (Deutsche Partei)
1957-1961: Konrad Adenauer (CDU/CSU-DP coalition)
1957 def. Erich Ollenhauer (SPD), Reinhold Maier (FDP), Heinrich Hellwege (Deutsche Partei)
1961-1963: Konrad Adenauer (CDU/CSU-FDP coalition)
1961 def. Willy Brandt (SPD), Erich Mende (FDP)
1963-1966: Ludwig Erhard (CDU/CSU-FDP coalition)
1965 def. Willy Brandt (SPD), Erich Mende (FDP)
1966-1969: Kurt Georg Kiesinger (CDU/CSU-SPD coalition)
1969-1974: Willy Brandt† (SPD-FDP coalition)
1969 def. Kurt Georg Kiesinger (CDU/CSU), Walter Scheel (FDP)
1972 def. Rainer Barzel (CDU/CSU), Walter Scheel (FDP)
1974-1974: Walter Scheel (SPD-FDP coalition)
1974-1982: Helmut Schmidt (SPD-FDP coalition)
1976 def. Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU), Hans-Dietrich Genscher (FDP)
1980 def. Franz-Josef Strauss (CDU/CSU), Hans-Dietrich Genscher (FDP)
1982-1987: Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU-FDP coalition)
1983 def. Hans-Jochen Vogel (SPD), Hans-Dietrich Genscher (FDP), Petra Kelly (Grüne)
1987-1990: Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU-FDP-Deutsche Soziale Union coalition)
1987 def. Johannes Rau (SPD), Martin Bangemann (FDP), Petra Kelly (Grüne)

General Secretaries of East Germany
1949-1950: Wilhelm Pieck/Otto Grotewohl (Sozialistische Einheitspartei Deutschlands)
1950-1971: Walter Ulbricht (SED)
1971-1989: Erich Honecker (SED)
1989-1989: Egon Krenz (SED)
Chairmen of the Council of Ministers of East Germany
1989-1990: Hans Modrow (SED-Partei des Demokratischen Sozialismus coalition)
1990-1990: Lothar de Maizière (Christlich-Demokratische Union Deutschlands)
1990 def. (as part of CDU-DSU-Demokratischer Aufbruch Allianz für Deutschland) Ibrahim Böhme (SDP), Hans Modrow (PDS)

Bundeskanzlers of the Federal Republic of Germany
1990-1991: Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU-FDP-Deutsche Soziale Union coalition)
1991-1998: Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU-FDP coalition)
1990 def. Oskar Lafontaine (SPD), Otto Graf Lambsdorff (FDP), Gregor Gysi (PDS), Petra Kelly (Grüne)
1994 def. Rudolf Scharping (SPD), Antje Vollmer (Grüne), Klaus Kinkel (FDP), Gregor Gysi (PDS)
1998-2005: Gerhard Schröder (SPD-Grüne coalition)
1998 def. Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU), Joschka Fischer (Grüne), Wolfgang Gerhardt (FDP), Gregor Gysi (PDS)
2002 def. Edmunt Stoiber (CDU/CSU), Joschka Fischer (Grüne), Guido Westerwelle (FDP), Gabi Zimmer (PDS)
2005-2009: Angela Merkel (CDU/CSU-SPD coalition)
2005 def. Gerhard Schröder (SPD), Guido Westerwelle (FDP), Lothar Bisky (PDS), Joschka Fischer (Grüne)
2009-2013: Angela Merkel (CDU/CSU-FDP coalition)
2009 def. Frank-Walter Steinmeier (SPD), Guido Westerwelle (FDP), Oskar Lafontaine (Die Linke), Jürgen Trittin (Grüne)
2013-2017: Angela Merkel (CDU/CSU-SPD coalition)
2013 def. Peer Steinbrück (SPD), Gregor Gysi (Die Linke), Jürgen Trittin/Katrin Göring-Eckardt (Grüne)
2017 election: Angela Merkel (CDU/CSU), Martin Schulz (SPD), Alice Weidel (Alternative für Deutschland), Christian Lindner (FDP), Sahra Wagenknecht (Die Linke), Katrin Göring-Eckardt (Grüne)
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This is great work, although Ruth Fischer was the leader of the KPD for the two elections in 1924 if you wanted to remove the "?".
 
Bulldoggus

Bulldoggus

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Brundlefly said:
Okay, here's a bit of a crazy thing. In the night before the German federal elections, I was binge-watching some older campaign clips of the more obscure small parties in Germany along with some mates of mine. Those included some outright bizarre outfits, ranging from Trotskyites to pensioners' interest parties, proponents of Bavarian independence, and downright lunatics (e.g. the Civil Rights Movement Solidarity, which aims to build "the new Silk Road" and once had the campaign slogan "Nuclear energy is safer than sex"!). So I had the idea of taking those parties that didn't make it into the parliament due to the 5%-threshold, adding their total voter shares (not including the parties that actually did made it into the Bundestag) and then looking how the parliament and governing coalitions would have looked like. My personal surprise was that the Grey Panthers (a pensioners' party) appeared regularly among the better-performing small parties in the 1990s and 2000s. Here goes...
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Do you have any links?
 

Brundlefly

Asami said:
The number of NPD governments is sickening. Take your like and leave. :p
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Utgard96 said:
This is the content we need, although very much not the content the Bundestag needs.
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I think this could roughly match a development of Germany if one of the half-attempted military coups against Hitler in the years between 1938 and 1940 would have been carried through. The NSDAP is split into various rivalling factions, leading to a period of nationalist-conservative governments, which is then followed by a longer swing-back to neofascism in the shape of the NPD. Then, in the 1980s, one crucial figure of the regime (Haußleiter) switches to the civil opposition, but the revolution turns more left-wing and is eventually crushed down, followed by another period of neo-fascism (possibly with a pseudo-democracy and massive electoral fraud) before leading to a full return of democracy in the 2010s.

Bulldoggus said:
Do you have any links?
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Here's a collection of all the campaign clips for last week's election - a good starting point that will lead you to older clips on the side bar.
 
Cevolian

Cevolian

Radical Centrism
Macronisme Anglais​

1997-2003: Tony Blair (Labour)
1997: (Majority) def - John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
2001: (Majority) def - William Hague (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2003: Euro Referendum - No 57.1% ; Yes 52.9%
2003-2005: Gordon Brown (Labour Majority)
2005-2009: William Hague (Conservative)
2005: (Majority) def - Gordon Brown (Labour), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2009-2013: David Miliband (Labour)
2009: (Minority with SNP Support) def - William Hague (Conservative), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Lord Pearson (UKIP)
2012-2014: Tim Collins (Conservative)
2012: (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def - Michael Meacher (Labour), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Nigel Farage (UKIP)
2014: Scottish Referendum - Yes 51.3% ; No 48.7%
2014-2016: Oliver Letwin (Conservative Coalition with Liberal Democrats)
2016: EU Membership Referendum - Leave 51.4% ; Stay 48.6%
2016-2017: Oliver Letwin (Conservative Coalition with "Moderate" UKIP with DUP Support)
2017-XXXX: Henry Bolton (Hold Britannia!)
2017: (Majority) def - Anne M. Waters (Patriotic Alliance), Phillip Hammond (Conservative), George Galloway (Unconquered Britain), Clive Lewis (Labour), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats)

Ok, I'll probably add footnotes soon, but basically a joke in the PMQs thread sparked this weird idea of mine that new UKIP leader, ex-Lib Dem and "radical centrist" Henry Bolton is the British Macron...
 
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shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
Cevolian said:
2017-​
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Henry Bolton (Hold Britannia!)​
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Oppo

Oppo

Cevolian said:
Radical Centrism
Macronisme Anglais​

1997-2003: Tony Blair (Labour)
1997: (Majority) def - John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
2001: (Majority) def - William Hague (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2003: Euro Referendum - No 57.1% ; Yes 52.9%
2003-2005: Gordon Brown (Labour Majority)
2005-2009: William Hague (Conservative)
2005: (Majority) def - Gordon Brown (Labour), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2009-2013: David Miliband (Labour)
2009: (Minority with SNP Support) def - William Hague (Conservative), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Lord Pearson (UKIP)
2012-2014: Tim Collins (Conservative)
2012: (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def - Michael Meacher (Labour), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Nigel Farage (UKIP)
2014: Scottish Referendum - Yes 51.3% ; No 48.7%
2014-2016: Oliver Letwin (Conservative Coalition with Liberal Democrats)
2014: EU Membership Referendum - Leave 51.4% ; Stay 48.6%
2016-2017: Oliver Letwin (Conservative Coalition with "Moderate" UKIP with DUP Support)
2017-XXXX: Henry Bolton (Hold Britannia!)
2017: (Majority) def - Anne M. Waters (Patriotic Alliance), Phillip Hammond (Conservative), George Galloway (Unconquered Britain), Clive Lewis (Labour), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats)

Ok, I'll probably add footnotes soon, but basically a joke in the PMQs thread sparked this weird idea of mine that new UKIP leader, ex-Lib Dem and "radical centrist" Henry Bolton is the British Macron...
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well at least this list won't happen now

(this was based on some UKIP people joining the SDP and Farage saying he'd leave if Marie Waters won)

2010-2016: David Cameron (Conservative)
2010 (Coalition with Liberal Democrats): Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats), Peter Robinson (DUP), Alex Salmond (SNP), Gerry Adams (Sinn Fein)
2015 (Majority): Ed Milliband (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats), Peter Robinson (DUP)
2016-2020: Theresa May (Conservative)
2017 (Minority with DUP confidence & supply): Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Tim Farron (Liberal Democrats), Arlene Foster (DUP), Gerry Adams (Sinn Fein)
2020-2028: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
2020 (Majority): Theresa May (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Nigel Farage (John Bull Alliance - Activate - Third Social Democratic - DUP), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrats), Gerry Adams (Sinn Fein)
2024 (Majority): Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Nigel Farage (John Bull Alliance - Activate - Third Social Democratic - DUP), Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrats), Amber Rudd (Conservative), Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Fein)
2028-2033: Nigel Farage (Third Social Democratic)
2028 (Majority): Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrats), Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Paul Wheelhouse (SNP), Michelle O'Neil (Sinn Fein)
2033-Present: Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrats)
2033 (Majority): Nigel Farage (John Bull Alliance - Activate - Third Social Democratic - DUP), Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Paul Wheelhouse (SNP), Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Fein)
 

DrKirby

OK so this is my first list of alternate presidents, let alone my first alternate history, period. So please rate and give me feedback so I can become better.

Lincoln Survives

1861-1865: Abraham Lincoln/Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1864: George McClellan/George H. Pendleton (Democratic)
1865-1869: Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson (Republican)
1869-1873: Ulysses S. Grant/Benjamin Wade (Republican)
1868: Salmon P. Chase/Francis P. Blair, Jr. (Democratic)
1873-1881: Winfield Scott Hancock/Benjamin Gratz Brown (Democratic)
1872: Ulysses S. Grant/Schuyler Colfax (Republican), Andrew Johnson/John Schofield (National Democratic)
1876: William A. Wheeler/Roscoe Conkling (Republican), Andrew Johnson/Henry Stanbery (National Democratic)
1881: Charles Guiteau/James A. Garfield (Republican)
1880: Benjamin Gratz Brown/Samuel Tilden (Democratic)
1881-1882: James A. Garfield/Vacant (Republican)
1882-1885: David Davis/Vacant (Independent)
1885: Grover Cleveland/Thomas Hendricks (Democratic)
1884: David Davis/Charles F. Adams (Independent), James G. Blaine/Benjamin Harrison (Republican)
1885-1889: Grover Cleveland/Vacant (Democratic)
1889-1895: Grover Cleveland/Allen G. Thurman (Democratic)
1895-1897: Grover Cleveland/Vacant (Democratic)
1888: John Sherman/Robert Todd Lincoln (Republican)
1892: Benjamin Harrison/Levi P. Morton (Republican)
1897-1898: Thomas Bayard/William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1896: Garret Hobart/William McKinley (Republican)
1898-1901: William Jennings Bryan/Vacant (Democratic)
1900: James Cameron/Frederick Dent Grant (Republican)
1901-1909: William Jennings Bryan/Charles A. Towne (Democratic)
1904: none
1909-1917: Theodore Roosevelt/William H. Taft (Progressive)
1908: William Jennings Bryan/Charles A. Towne (Democratic)
1912: Champ Clark/John Burke (Democratic)
1917-1921: Theodore Roosevelt/Robert LaFollete (Progressive)
1916: Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic), Charles Hughes/James S. Sherman (Isolation)
1921-1923: Warren G. Harding/Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
1920: Eugene V Debs/Seymour Stedman (Socialist), William Gibbs McAdoo/Edward Edwards (Democratic), Robert La Follete/Hiram Johnson (Progressive)
1923-1925: Calvin Coolidge/Vacant (Republican)
1925: Eugene V Debs/Burton K. Wheeler (Socialist)
1924: James Cox/Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic), Hiram Johnson/Frank Orren Lowden (Progressive), Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1925-1929: Nicholas Longworth/Vacant (Conservative)
1929-1933: Nicolas Longworth/Charles Curtis (Conservative)
1928: John Davis/Oscar Underwood (Democratic)
 
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Japhy

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DrKirby said:
OK so this is my first list of alternate presidents, let alone my first alternate history, period. So please rate and give me feedback so I can become better.
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For a first outing in the list thread its a good showing. For a first AH period, it's exceptional. So absolutely take pride in that.

So obviously you have a story here, which is great but it's not immediately apparent to the rest of us what that story is that's why I'm the guy everyone makes jokes about, because I'm usually the one shouting footnotes. But they, or a little essay do real good to show off where the story is going. What does Lincoln's survival mean? What impact does it have long term? How does it lead to Presidents Davis, Cleveland, Bryan and then the Progressives?

I would say I'm glad you used a few IOTL Presidents, we sometimes get our heads up our asses here forgetting that sometimes the actual people made the most sense for actual reasons. Diversity of course though is a fun thing to toss in, especially if they've people who didn't even run IOTL. Definite props for not trying to dress up Bryan as a Progressive too, a lot of folks on site are very willfully blind to the idea of Populists and Progressives having been the same thing.

My biggest issue there would be that Garfield's assassin was too young IIRC and I don't think there's a path for such a mentally ill person into mainstream national politics.

All in all, I liked it. Welcome to the thread, I think a lot of us can say we'd love to see what else you've got.
 
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