Oh, I agree, but it's been done so many times before that I wanted something diferent...I see far likelier Elizabeth marrying Robert Dudley (instead of Amy Robsart) with or without Edward VI‘s consent
Oh, I agree, but it's been done so many times before that I wanted something diferent...I see far likelier Elizabeth marrying Robert Dudley (instead of Amy Robsart) with or without Edward VI‘s consent
Barnaby was one of Edward's most trusted courtiers, and he and Elizabeth could basically rule Ireland for the Tudors. And don't forget that Edward saw Elizabeth as a bastard, even if she was his favourite, loyal sister. From that perspective, to marry Elizabeth to a Baron would be respectable, never mind a Marquess - I'm assuming Barnaby gets the nice new shiny title as a wedding gift.
Fair enough.Oh, I agree, but it's been done so many times before that I wanted something diferent...
Edward VI arranges for his older sister Elizabeth to marry his best friend prior to his death. I have no idea how this would affect things, but would be happy to discuss it with anyone who wanted. I have left the boys titles' blank because I have no idea whether Edward would name Elizabeth's children as his heirs over Jane Grey here or not... @The_Most_Happy @VVD0D95 @Cate13
Elizabeth, Marchioness of Clarence (b.1533) m. 1552 Barnaby Fitzpatrick, Marquess of Clarence (b.1535)
1) Margaret (b.1554)
2) Edward (b.1557)
3) Stillborn son (1559)
4) Cecily (1560-1562)
5) Miscarriage (1562)
6) George (b.1564)
7) Anne (b.1567)
If Elizabeth is pregnant as his Healy starts to decline and if he manages to inherit Henry VIII’s self delusion, Edward would probably leave a will naming Elizabeth’s unborn son as his heir.Well, yes, except that if Edward dies as OTL, no one will know that Elizabeth's first pregnancy will be a girl. And she won't have Edward yet. If Edward died in 1558 instead of 1553, I'd absolutely agree with you, but if he dies in 1553??
That's what I'm thinking. Does an infant girl secure her position as heiress, or at least her mother's? Or does Mary manage to secure her place as Queen? And which will is more important - Henry's or Edward's?If Elizabeth is pregnant as his Healy starts to decline and if he manages to inherit Henry VIII’s self delusion, Edward would probably leave a will naming Elizabeth’s unborn son as his heir.
Then when the child is born a girl things would be very interesting.
The delay that the pregnancy buys Elizabeth I think would be enough for her to gain support for her claim. OTL Elizabeth supported Mary, but with a baby that is a challenger to Mary’s claim I could see Elizabeth working the system.That's what I'm thinking. Does an infant girl secure her position as heiress, or at least her mother's? Or does Mary manage to secure her place as Queen? And which will is more important - Henry's or Edward's?
Ooh. I hadn't thought of that. Good point. So Elizabeth per the terms of Edward's will, then her son Edward after her, with George as Barnaby's heir as Marquess of Clarence, if not Duke of York as well. Poor Mary will probably end up in the Tower at some stage...The delay that the pregnancy buys Elizabeth I think would be enough for her to gain support for her claim. OTL Elizabeth supported Mary, but with a baby that is a challenger to Mary’s claim I could see Elizabeth working the system.
also, in non monarchical English inheritance there wasn’t a preference for age order, so that’s going for Elizabeth.
Also, Edward might act sooner on setting up his will if Elizabeth and Barnaby’s marriage galvanizes him to act. And if he acts sooner he might be able to get his will through parliament at which point it would supersede Henry’s will.
And what benefit would this bring to Aragon...?
Well, yes, except that if Edward dies as OTL, no one will know that Elizabeth's first pregnancy will be a girl. And she won't have Edward yet. If Edward died in 1558 instead of 1553, I'd absolutely agree with you, but if he dies in 1553??
Having Joanna of Castile remarry to someone like Gaston of Foix or the Duke of Calabria and have him disinherit her kids from the first marriage is more easier.Keeping union with Castile with Habsburgs out of power..
She's pushing 30 by the time she's widowed...wouldn't she be a bit old for those standards?Having Joanna of Castile remarry to someone like Gaston of Foix or the Duke of Calabria and have him disinherit her kids from the first marriage is more easier.
She has proven Fertility.She's pushing 30 by the time she's widowed...wouldn't she be a bit old for those standards?
Having Joanna of Castile remarry to someone like Gaston of Foix or the Duke of Calabria and have him disinherit her kids from the first marriage is more easier.
Sounds good. For your For Want of A Heir tl?Christian VI of Denmark (b.1693) m Louisa, Princess Royal (b.1692) in 1710
Issue:
Frederik, Prince of Denmark (b.1711: d.1718)
Christian, Crown Prince of Denmark (b.1713)
Mary, Princess of Denmark (b.1715)
stillborn (1717)
Vilhelm, Prince of Denmark (b.1720)
Louise, Princess of Denmark (b.1723)
miscarriage (1725)
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His son is also Trastamara, though.
They can do that if Joanna is not in Castile.