List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

Barnaby was one of Edward's most trusted courtiers, and he and Elizabeth could basically rule Ireland for the Tudors. And don't forget that Edward saw Elizabeth as a bastard, even if she was his favourite, loyal sister. From that perspective, to marry Elizabeth to a Baron would be respectable, never mind a Marquess - I'm assuming Barnaby gets the nice new shiny title as a wedding gift.
Oh, I agree, but it's been done so many times before that I wanted something diferent...
Fair enough.
A strong Tudor presence in Ireland could definitely work.
 
Edward VI arranges for his older sister Elizabeth to marry his best friend prior to his death. I have no idea how this would affect things, but would be happy to discuss it with anyone who wanted. I have left the boys titles' blank because I have no idea whether Edward would name Elizabeth's children as his heirs over Jane Grey here or not... @The_Most_Happy @VVD0D95 @Cate13

Elizabeth, Marchioness of Clarence (b.1533) m. 1552 Barnaby Fitzpatrick, Marquess of Clarence (b.1535)

1) Margaret (b.1554)
2) Edward (b.1557)
3) Stillborn son (1559)
4) Cecily (1560-1562)
5) Miscarriage (1562)
6) George (b.1564)
7) Anne (b.1567)

Well, yes, except that if Edward dies as OTL, no one will know that Elizabeth's first pregnancy will be a girl. And she won't have Edward yet. If Edward died in 1558 instead of 1553, I'd absolutely agree with you, but if he dies in 1553??
If Elizabeth is pregnant as his Healy starts to decline and if he manages to inherit Henry VIII’s self delusion, Edward would probably leave a will naming Elizabeth’s unborn son as his heir.

Then when the child is born a girl things would be very interesting.
 
If Elizabeth is pregnant as his Healy starts to decline and if he manages to inherit Henry VIII’s self delusion, Edward would probably leave a will naming Elizabeth’s unborn son as his heir.

Then when the child is born a girl things would be very interesting.
That's what I'm thinking. Does an infant girl secure her position as heiress, or at least her mother's? Or does Mary manage to secure her place as Queen? And which will is more important - Henry's or Edward's?
 
That's what I'm thinking. Does an infant girl secure her position as heiress, or at least her mother's? Or does Mary manage to secure her place as Queen? And which will is more important - Henry's or Edward's?
The delay that the pregnancy buys Elizabeth I think would be enough for her to gain support for her claim. OTL Elizabeth supported Mary, but with a baby that is a challenger to Mary’s claim I could see Elizabeth working the system.

also, in non monarchical English inheritance there wasn’t a preference for age order, so that’s going for Elizabeth.

Also, Edward might act sooner on setting up his will if Elizabeth and Barnaby’s marriage galvanizes him to act. And if he acts sooner he might be able to get his will through parliament at which point it would supersede Henry’s will.
 
The delay that the pregnancy buys Elizabeth I think would be enough for her to gain support for her claim. OTL Elizabeth supported Mary, but with a baby that is a challenger to Mary’s claim I could see Elizabeth working the system.

also, in non monarchical English inheritance there wasn’t a preference for age order, so that’s going for Elizabeth.

Also, Edward might act sooner on setting up his will if Elizabeth and Barnaby’s marriage galvanizes him to act. And if he acts sooner he might be able to get his will through parliament at which point it would supersede Henry’s will.
Ooh. I hadn't thought of that. Good point. So Elizabeth per the terms of Edward's will, then her son Edward after her, with George as Barnaby's heir as Marquess of Clarence, if not Duke of York as well. Poor Mary will probably end up in the Tower at some stage...

I think German and Scandinavian matches will be likely Elizabeth's children, although Anne may end up married to James VI, given how close they are in age...
 
And what benefit would this bring to Aragon...?

Keeping union with Castile with Habsburgs out of power..


Well, yes, except that if Edward dies as OTL, no one will know that Elizabeth's first pregnancy will be a girl. And she won't have Edward yet. If Edward died in 1558 instead of 1553, I'd absolutely agree with you, but if he dies in 1553??

Yeah, but the question was if he'd be willing to do so and his OTL personality and actions screams that he would.
 
Thriving Hungarian-Bohemian Jagiellons:
Thriving Hungarian-Bohemian Jagiellons:

Vladislaus II (1456-1516) King of Bohemia 1471, King of Hungary 1490, m. a) Barbara of Brandenburg (1464-1488) b) Beatrice of Naples (1457-1508)

1a) Wenceslaus (1482-1484)

2a) Vladislaus III (1483-1525) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1516, m. Elizabeth of Palatinate (1483-1522)

1) Stephen VI (1505-1536) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1525, m. Mary of Austria (1505-1558)​
2) Barbara (1507-1560) m. Ferdinand (1503-1564) Holy Roman Emperor​
3) Margaret (1508-1589) m. William IV (1493-1550) Duke of Bavaria​
4) Elizabeth (1511)​
5) Elizabeth (1513-1546) m. Sigismund II (1512-1569) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland*​
6) Helena (1514-1561) m. Frederick (1504-1559) Duke of Saxony**​
7) Louis II (1517-1569) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1536, m. Sophia of Poland (1521-1576)*​

3a) Elizabeth (1486-1545) m. John (1468-1532) Elector of Saxony

1) John Frederick (1508-1542) Elector of Saxony, m. Sibylle of Cleves (1512-1554)​

4a) Barbara (1488)


* Children of Sigismund the Old and Catherine of Mecklenburg

** Son of George the Bearded
 
Margarethe of Bavaria-Landshut (daughter of George the Rich)'s Hessian marriage goes through:

Margarethe of Bavaria-Landshut (b.1480) m: 1500 Wilhelm II, Landgrave of Hesse (1469-1509)

Wilhelm IV, Landgrave of Hesse (b.1502) m: 1523 Christine of Saxony (b.1505)​
Wilhelm, Erbprinz of Hesse (b.1529)​
Margarethe (b.1531)​
Philipp (b.1533)​
Barbara (b.1535)​
Georg (1537)​
Philipp (1504-1526)​
Hedwig (b.1506) m: 1520 Johann, Erbprinz of Saxony (1498-1537)​
Elisabeth (b.1523)​
Johann (1525-1529)​
Wilhelm (1527-1529)​
Georg II, Elector of Saxony (b.1528)​
Barbara (b.1530)​
Karl (b.1531)​
Stillborn Son (1535)​
Margarethe (b.1507) m: ?​
Heinrich (1508-1509)​
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Elisabeth (b.1509) m: ?​
 
Albert VII m. Isabella Clara Eugenia

1. miscarriage
2. Maria b. 1601 m. Louis XIII of France b. 1601
3. Isabella b. 1603 m. Charles I b. 1601
4. miscarriage
 
Henry VIII m. Katherine of Aragon

1. Henry Prince of Wales b. 1511 d. 1547 m. 1527 Renee of France b. 1510 d. 1528 [a] m. 1530 Anne Boleyn b. 1507 [1]
1a. Henry IX b. 1528 m. Katherine Howard b. 1523 [2]
1b. Edward b. 1530 d. 1535 never married
1c. miscarriage
1d. Elizabeth b. 1533 d. 1603 never married
2. Mary b. 1516 d. 1558 m. Francis III of Brittany b. 1518 d. 1536
2a. Francis II of France/IV of Brittany b. 1536 m. Joanna of Austria b. 1535

[1] The Prince of Wales and Renee had a short but happy marriage which ended with her death in childbirth. While in mourning for Renee he would notice and fall for Anne Boleyn, the dowager countess of Northumberland.
[2] Scandalous, but it proved to be the love match of the ages. She'd been his mistress for around a decade by then, they had already two bastard children together who were later legitimized, and after she was crowned, they had another dozen children.
 

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Christian VI of Denmark (b.1693) m Louisa, Princess Royal (b.1692) in 1710

Issue:

Frederik, Prince of Denmark (b.1711: d.1718)

Christian, Crown Prince of Denmark (b.1713)

Mary, Princess of Denmark (b.1715)

stillborn (1717)

Vilhelm, Prince of Denmark (b.1720)

Louise, Princess of Denmark (b.1723)

miscarriage (1725)

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Christian VI of Denmark (b.1693) m Louisa, Princess Royal (b.1692) in 1710

Issue:

Frederik, Prince of Denmark (b.1711: d.1718)

Christian, Crown Prince of Denmark (b.1713)

Mary, Princess of Denmark (b.1715)

stillborn (1717)

Vilhelm, Prince of Denmark (b.1720)

Louise, Princess of Denmark (b.1723)

miscarriage (1725)

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Sounds good. For your For Want of A Heir tl?
 
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