Oh my, I fear Karl V is going to be the laughing stock of Europe TTL. First marrying an poor "old" woman, than marrying a rich "young" woman.
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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Was it even possible for him to marry Germaine, who was his grandmother-in-law? No pope would give him dispensation for this.
thanks. Wasn't really sure where to go with the next generation though - John II/Isabella of Scotland* (b.1309/b.1315), Arthur III of Brittany (b.1313) and Erik of Sweden (and the potential ramifications it would have for Scandinavia down the line)
*I know the "logical" solution would be John II to Eleanor of England and Edward III to Isabella, but since Edward II was considering Spanish matches for them OTL, I suspect either those will go through or that Edward II's kids (excepting Joan) will marry more/less as OTL.
Kings of Nepal
1. Prithvi Narayan Shah of Nepal (1723 - 1775) m. Indra Kumari Devi, Narendra Rajya Laxmi Devi
1. Prithvi Narayan Shah of Nepal (1723 - 1775) m. Indra Kumari Devi, Narendra Rajya Laxmi Devi
1a/2. Pratap Singh Shah of Nepal (1751 - 1777) m. Rajendra Rajya Laxmi Devi
1b. Vedum Shah (1755 - 1759)
1c/3. Bahadur Shah of Nepal (1757 - 1826) m. Vidya Laxmi Devi
3a. Rana Bahadur Shah (1776 - 1780)
3b. Amrata Devi Shah (1780 - 1841) m. King Viraj II of Bardiyah
3c/4. Garuda Bir Bikram Shah of Nepal (1789 - 1860) m. Queen Gorakshya Devi Laxmi
4a. Shristika Devi (1820 - 1887) m. King Shorgey III of Limbuwan
4b/5. Vedum Bir Bikram Shah of Nepal (1824 - 1901) m. Sayuri Devi Rana
5a/6. Bahadur II Shah of Nepal (1848 - 1924) m. Rina Devi Magar
6a. Parvati Devi (1869 - 1939) m. King Vijay III of Tanahun
--6ai/7. Garuda II Bir Bikram Shah-Sen of Nepal (1894 - 1978) m. Yangki Lhotsampa of Bhutan
---7a./8. Prithvi II Bir Bikram Shah-Sen of Nepal (1926 - 1981) m. Lily Sherpa
----8a./9 Garuda III Bir Bikram Shah-Sen of Nepal (1947 - 2012) m. Norika Devi
-----9a/10. Bahadur III Bir Bikram Shah-Sen of Nepal (1978 - present) m. Anuradha Shrestha
------10a. Crown Princess Amrata Devi (2009 - present)
------10b. Prince Prithvi (2012 - present)
------10c. Prince Druk (2015 - present)
6b. Tribhuvan Shah (1874 - 1917)
6c. Garuda Shah (1881 - 1889)
PoD: Pratap Singh Shah dies childless allowing his more competent younger brother to take the throne of Nepal.
That is problematic since she was IOTL elected Queen of Poland (unless Siggie II has a son ITTL)
Charles cannot marry Germaine, canon law considers her his grandmother. It doesn’t matter if they’re not closely related by blood, it would still be seen as an incestuous match.
They would still be second cousins as his grandfather was half-brother of her grandmother
As opposed to marrying your niece, who is also your first cousin. That is so okay and acceptable that you can do it for two generations in a row.
That was different and once a wedding was consummated marrying a direct ancestor/descendant of your spouse was forbidden. Charles V’s life would have been likely easier if he had been able to marry Eleanor to John III of Portugal after Manuel’s death
The irony is outstanding I know. But hey, it’s canon law!
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Only thing Charles could try if he was really determined (or rather really mad) would be to ask pope to declare Germaine's first marriage null and void (IIRC Ferdinand married Germaine without papal dispensation). But that still be insane move.
Mary of Waltham does not die in 1361
John IV (1339-1399) Duke of Brittany, m. Mary of England (1344-1396)
1) John (1363)
2) Joanna (1364-1422) m. Charles III (1361-1425) King of Navarre
3) John (1368-1377)
4) Isabella (1370)
5) Philippa (1372-1376)
6) Arthur III (1374-1431) Duke of Brittany 1399, m. Mary of Berry (1375-1434)
John IV (1339-1399) Duke of Brittany, m. Mary of England (1344-1396)
1) John (1363)
2) Joanna (1364-1422) m. Charles III (1361-1425) King of Navarre
1) Mary (1384-1437) m. Martin I (1474-1409) King of Sicily
2) Charles (1385-1388)
3) John (1387-1417) Prince of Viana, m. Joanna of France (1391-1433)
4) Joanna (1390)
5) Charles (1391-1394)
6) Louis II (1393-1429) King of Navarre 1425, m. Anne of Burgundy (1404-1432)
7) Philip IV (1395-1451) King of Navarre 1429, m. a) Isabella of Urguell (1409-1430) b) Joanna of Brittany (1418-1479)*
8) Joanna (1398-1401)
9) Isabella (1399-1452) m. Henry V (1386-1422) King of England
3) John (1368-1377)
4) Isabella (1370)
5) Philippa (1372-1376)
6) Arthur III (1374-1431) Duke of Brittany 1399, m. Mary of Berry (1375-1434)
1) John (1394-1396)
1) Arthur IV (1396-1441) Duke of Brittany 1431, m. Mary of France (1393-1438)**
* is daughter of **
Richard II marries Charles VI's sister instead of daughter
Catherine of France (1378-1434) m. a) John of Berry (1375-1394) Count of Montpensier b) Richard II (1367-) King of England
So Catherine of France lives longer, while her husband dies a bit earlier than IOTL and Charles VI offers widowed sister to Richard II. Plausible?
Catherine of France (1378-1434) m. a) John of Berry (1375-1394) Count of Montpensier b) Richard II (1367-) King of England
So Catherine of France lives longer, while her husband dies a bit earlier than IOTL and Charles VI offers widowed sister to Richard II. Plausible?
Not impossible. Although either she or her equally short-lived sister were intended for the count of Hainaut (Jakoba of Bavaria's dad). Montpensier was only an option after Burgundy had snapped up Hainaut
Yes, but as POD is after Hainaut married it would not matter.
Related question-what about Catherine as second wife of Charles III of Navarre or first wife of his ATL son born in 1382 (Joanna of Navarre born male)?
Would depend on relations between Paris and Carlos el Malo. Carlos DID try to poison Charles V, was rumoured to have succeeded poisoning Charles VI's mom and think there was an occasion where Carlos tried to get Charles VI out of the way himself