List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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Eh, I'll jump on the tiny Tudors bandwagon but with a slight twist. Instead of Anne getting her quads on her first try, they are instead the product of her 1536 pregnancy (IOTL she miscarried, here she carries to term) Why, because IOTL Henry was ready to move on from Anne and rush towards Jane Seymour and the idea of such a sudden reversal of fortunes for Anne seems even more interesting than her succeeding right away. Feel free to comment on any suggestions.
Henry VIII of England (b.1491 r.1509 d. 1547) m. a) Catherine of Aragon (later annulled in 1533) b) Anne Boleyn (b.1501 d.1556)
[1] Henry is Mary's second husband instead of Darnley ITTL. Let's say the butterflies that lead to Anne's quads also gave Mary a bit more political savvy so she picks the more popular Protestant Englishman over the Catholic Darnley.
[2] Yes, Anne and JF have a ton of kids, this was in an attempt to get them a second son, but I use random number generators to determine gender and if a kid survives childhood and I kept getting girls. I also use it to determine lifespans and yeah... this was not a good day to be a male Saxon royal
Henry VIII of England (b.1491 r.1509 d. 1547) m. a) Catherine of Aragon (later annulled in 1533) b) Anne Boleyn (b.1501 d.1556)
- a) Stillborn daughter (1510)
- a) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (1511)
- a) son (1513)
- a) son (1514)
- a) Mary (1516 - 1558), a spinster
- a) Stillborn daughter (1518)
- b) Elizabeth (1533 - 1603) m. William, Duke of Julich Berg Cleves (1516 - 1592)
- Johan Wilhelm (1550 - 1583)
- Heinrich Karl (1552 - 1613)
- Karl Friedrich (1554 - 1568)
- Marie Anne (1557 - 1563)
- Anna Elisabeth (1557 - 1613)
- Elisabeth (1559 - 1620)
- Wilhelm Friedrich (1563 - 1631)
- b) miscarriage (1535)
- b) Edward (1536 -1577) m. Elisabeth de Valois (1545 -1594)
- Anne (1560 - 1588)
- Henry (1562 - 1567)
- Edward (1565 - 1589)
- Catherine (1565 - 1612)
- Stillborn Son (1568)
- Thomas, Duke of Somerset (1572 - 1589)
- Edmund, Duke of Richmond (1572 - 1579)
- Elizabeth (1577 - 1636) *born posthumously
- b) Margaret (1536 - 1596) m. Frederick II of Denmark (1534 - 1588)
- Christian (1557 - 1644)
- Anne (1560 - 1563)
- Ulrik (1562 - 1568)
- Dorothea (1565 - 1617)
- John (1565 - 1573)
- Henry (1569 - 1604)
- b) Henry, Duke of York (1536 - 1614) m. Mary, Queen of Scots [1] (1542 - 1597)
- James (1566 - 1602)
- Mary (1568 - 1598)
- Henry, Duke of Albany (1570 - 1577)
- Robert, Duke of Ross (1573)
- Anne (1576 - 1583)
- Margaret (1579 - 1595)
- b) Anne (1536 - 1574) m. John Frederick II of Saxony (1529 - 1595) [2]
- Anna (1556 - 1613)
- Stillborn daughter (1557)
- John Frederick (1558 - 1579)
- Sibylle (1560 - 1624)
- Frederick Henry (1561)
- Margarethe (1565 - 1641)
- Elisabeth (1567 - 1578)
- Maria (1569 - 1573)
- Sophie (1570 - 1629)
- Matilda (1572 - 1622)
- Dorothea (1572 - 1585)
[1] Henry is Mary's second husband instead of Darnley ITTL. Let's say the butterflies that lead to Anne's quads also gave Mary a bit more political savvy so she picks the more popular Protestant Englishman over the Catholic Darnley.
[2] Yes, Anne and JF have a ton of kids, this was in an attempt to get them a second son, but I use random number generators to determine gender and if a kid survives childhood and I kept getting girls. I also use it to determine lifespans and yeah... this was not a good day to be a male Saxon royal
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Now this is really interesting. A sudden reversal like that would have really interesting ramifications. I’d love to see a fleshed out version.
Scenario: Elizabeth dies in 1562 of smallpox, and while she ostensibly leaves the title Protector of the Realm to Robert Dudley, he agrees to step aside in return for a large pension, and William Cecil successfully brings Katherine Grey to the throne, where she had the decision regarding the invalidity of her marriage overturned, and her husband returned to her. Her second son is born in early 1563, and because she's able to eat well and exercise, she lives much longer.
Katherine I, Queen of England and Ireland (b.1540: d.1589) m. Edward Seymour, Prince Consort of England, Duke of Somerset (b.1539: d.1621) (a)
[1] Edward VII, King of England was the only one of Katherine I of England's sons not to have a love match, instead marrying Sophie of Brunswick-Luneburg in late 1580, to his mother's great sadness. The Queen had expressed hopes that her children would find their own partners. But the Princess of Wales was at least popular with the family, and while the young Prince was somewhat jealous of his brothers, their marriage was very affectionate. Unfortunately, none of their four children survived to have children, and only their eldest, also Edward, survived to adulthood, dying at 19 before he could marry.
[2] Married shortly after his brother, the Duke of Suffolk married a daughter of the Prince of Orange in 1581, in an odd match that formed when William of Orange arrived in England for the Prince of Wales' wedding, and left the younger brother with a portrait of his daughter. The two had a short marriage, lasting 13 months from her arrival in early 1581, to her death of childbed fever in 1582, giving birth to his one son, Edward, Duke of York. He later remarried Frances Howard, a wealthy widow, in 1599, having met her through the Duke of Clarence around 1597, and possibly having begun an affair with her. Regardless, their marriage was happy and produced three healthy daughters, who became known as court beauties.
[3] The marriage of the Duke of Suffolk and Elizabeth Howard was, ostensibly, a failure. While initially a love match, and Elizabeth remained a favourite of the Queen during her lifetime, their spark fizzled out shortly after the birth of their first child, and they separated in 1585, only to return to each other in 1593 in order to produce an heir. Their two pregnancies from this reunited time only produced one child, Helen Seymour of Suffolk, and the Duke died in 1601, in the household of his mistress, a woman named Grace Beaumont, by whom he had four sons.
[4] The Princess Jane Seymour married Ferdinando Stanley in 1585, having fallen pregnant in an affair. While Queen Katherine had wanted her sons to marry happily, she was furious at the liberties taken with a Princess of England, and the Earl of Derby was imprisioned from the day he was married to her daughter to two months following her death. When Edward VII of England released him, he only remained at court long enough to impregnate his wife a second time, leaving in late 1589 to travel and explore the seas. His second child was born in 1590, and the Princess Jane died of a blood infection shortly after. Her brother say to it his nephews were taken care of, granting the younger son the title Earl of Rutland in 1598, and taking both of them on as surrogate children due to his own fertility issues.
[5] The Duke of Clarence's choice to marry an older widow in 1611 was seen as odd by many, who had thought the quiet man did not plan on marrying. He did, however, and the two enjoyed a quiet life mostly spent in Northern England, where they had two children. Not much is known of their life prior to her death in 1635, but following her death, he did return to court, where he spent much of his final two decades as an advisor to his nephew, the King of England.
[6] The Duke of Bedford was seduced and married by Sarah Harrington, widow to Lord Hastings and mother to the Earl of Huntingdon, in 1597. Generally agreed that the two had had an affair following her widowhood in 1595, it's possible she faked a pregnancy to force his hand, but considering the first of their two children wasn't born until 1600, it's equally likely he decided to marry his lover despite the 11 year difference between them. Their one surviving child, a daughter named Margaret Seymour, never married, and died in 1634.
[7] Anne Seymour, the younger surviving Princess, was married by her brother in 1595 to the King of Spain, in an attempt to end Spanish support of Mary I of Scotland, who had spent her reign opposing the Seymour regime. Their marriage was short, but produced on daughter, the sickly Maria of Spain, who Anne left behind in 1598 when her husband died. Unhappy at the Spanish court, she collected monies from her dowry from England until early 1600, when she married the King of France in the same diplomatic hope as her first marriage had been. More successful in that it lasted longer and produced healthier children, Anne was left a widow for a second time in 1610, and this time chose to remain in France, taking up the Regency and pushing an anti-Scottish policy, effectively ending the Auld Alliance.
[8] Richard Seymour produced no children over three wives and four known mistresses, leading many to believe he was sterile.
Katherine I, Queen of England and Ireland (b.1540: d.1589) m. Edward Seymour, Prince Consort of England, Duke of Somerset (b.1539: d.1621) (a)
1a) Edward VII, King of England and Ireland (b.1561: d.1629) m. Sophie of Brunswick-Luneburg (b.1563: d.1639) (a) [1]
1a) Edward Seymour, Prince of Wales (b.1585: d.1605)
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1587)
3a) Jane Seymour, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1590: d.1592)
4a) Henry Seymour, Prince of Wales (b.1595: d.1609)
2a) Thomas Seymour, Duke of York (b.1563: d.1613) m. Anne of Nassau (b.1563: d.1583) (a), Frances Howard (b.1578: d.1639) (b) [2]
1a) Edward VIII, King of England and Ireland (b.1583)
2b) Henrietta Seymour of York (b.1602)
3b) Katherine Seymour of York (b.1604)
4b) Stillborn Son (c.1605)
5b) Frances Seymour of York (b.1609)
3a) Henry Seymour, Duke of Suffolk (b.1564: d.1601) m. Elizabeth Howard (b.1564: d.1646) (a) [3]
1a) Francis Seymour, Duke of Suffolk (b.1583: d.1591)
2a) Miscarriage (c.1594)
3a) Helen Seymour of Suffolk (b.1597)
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1565)
5a) Jane Seymour, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1567: d.1590) m. Ferdinando Stanley, Earl of Derby (b.1559: d.1594) (a) [4]
1a) John Stanley, Earl of Derby (b.1585)
2a) Thomas Stanley, Earl of Rutland (b.1590)
6a) William Seymour, Duke of Gloucester (b.1568: d.1580)
7a) Charles Seymour, Duke of Clarence (b.1570: d.1650) m. Elizabeth Carey (b.1576: d.1635) (a) [5]
1a) Catherine Seymour of Clarence (b.1612)
2a) Lionel Seymour, Duke of Clarence (b.1616)
8a) Mary Seymour, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1571: d.1578)
9a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1573)
10a) Edmund Seymour, Duke of Bedford (b.1576: d.1610) m. Sarah Harington (b.1565: d.1629) (a) [6]
1a) Margaret Seymour of Bedford (b.1600: d.1634)
2a) George Seymour of Bedford (b.1603: d.1604)
11a) Anne Seymour, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1577: d.1632) m. Philip II, King of Spain (b.1527: d.1598) (a), Henri IV, King of France (b.1553: d.1610) (b) [7]
1a) Maria, Infanta of Spain (b.1596: d.1610)
2b) Louis, Dauphin of France (b.1600: d.1606)
3b) Francois III, King of France (b.1601)
4b) Catherine, Princess of France (b.1603)
5b) Henri, Duke of Orleans (b.1605)
6b) Stillborn Son (c.1606)
7b) Jean, Duke of Anjou (b.1607: d.1607)
8b) Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1609)
9b) Stillborn Son (c.1610)
12a) Richard Seymour, Duke of Richmond (b.1579: d.1656) m. Dorothy Hastings (b.1579: d.1616) (a), Theodosia Hastings (c.1595: d.1640) (b), Diana Grey (c.1565: d.1689) (c) [8]
[1] Edward VII, King of England was the only one of Katherine I of England's sons not to have a love match, instead marrying Sophie of Brunswick-Luneburg in late 1580, to his mother's great sadness. The Queen had expressed hopes that her children would find their own partners. But the Princess of Wales was at least popular with the family, and while the young Prince was somewhat jealous of his brothers, their marriage was very affectionate. Unfortunately, none of their four children survived to have children, and only their eldest, also Edward, survived to adulthood, dying at 19 before he could marry.
[2] Married shortly after his brother, the Duke of Suffolk married a daughter of the Prince of Orange in 1581, in an odd match that formed when William of Orange arrived in England for the Prince of Wales' wedding, and left the younger brother with a portrait of his daughter. The two had a short marriage, lasting 13 months from her arrival in early 1581, to her death of childbed fever in 1582, giving birth to his one son, Edward, Duke of York. He later remarried Frances Howard, a wealthy widow, in 1599, having met her through the Duke of Clarence around 1597, and possibly having begun an affair with her. Regardless, their marriage was happy and produced three healthy daughters, who became known as court beauties.
[3] The marriage of the Duke of Suffolk and Elizabeth Howard was, ostensibly, a failure. While initially a love match, and Elizabeth remained a favourite of the Queen during her lifetime, their spark fizzled out shortly after the birth of their first child, and they separated in 1585, only to return to each other in 1593 in order to produce an heir. Their two pregnancies from this reunited time only produced one child, Helen Seymour of Suffolk, and the Duke died in 1601, in the household of his mistress, a woman named Grace Beaumont, by whom he had four sons.
[4] The Princess Jane Seymour married Ferdinando Stanley in 1585, having fallen pregnant in an affair. While Queen Katherine had wanted her sons to marry happily, she was furious at the liberties taken with a Princess of England, and the Earl of Derby was imprisioned from the day he was married to her daughter to two months following her death. When Edward VII of England released him, he only remained at court long enough to impregnate his wife a second time, leaving in late 1589 to travel and explore the seas. His second child was born in 1590, and the Princess Jane died of a blood infection shortly after. Her brother say to it his nephews were taken care of, granting the younger son the title Earl of Rutland in 1598, and taking both of them on as surrogate children due to his own fertility issues.
[5] The Duke of Clarence's choice to marry an older widow in 1611 was seen as odd by many, who had thought the quiet man did not plan on marrying. He did, however, and the two enjoyed a quiet life mostly spent in Northern England, where they had two children. Not much is known of their life prior to her death in 1635, but following her death, he did return to court, where he spent much of his final two decades as an advisor to his nephew, the King of England.
[6] The Duke of Bedford was seduced and married by Sarah Harrington, widow to Lord Hastings and mother to the Earl of Huntingdon, in 1597. Generally agreed that the two had had an affair following her widowhood in 1595, it's possible she faked a pregnancy to force his hand, but considering the first of their two children wasn't born until 1600, it's equally likely he decided to marry his lover despite the 11 year difference between them. Their one surviving child, a daughter named Margaret Seymour, never married, and died in 1634.
[7] Anne Seymour, the younger surviving Princess, was married by her brother in 1595 to the King of Spain, in an attempt to end Spanish support of Mary I of Scotland, who had spent her reign opposing the Seymour regime. Their marriage was short, but produced on daughter, the sickly Maria of Spain, who Anne left behind in 1598 when her husband died. Unhappy at the Spanish court, she collected monies from her dowry from England until early 1600, when she married the King of France in the same diplomatic hope as her first marriage had been. More successful in that it lasted longer and produced healthier children, Anne was left a widow for a second time in 1610, and this time chose to remain in France, taking up the Regency and pushing an anti-Scottish policy, effectively ending the Auld Alliance.
[8] Richard Seymour produced no children over three wives and four known mistresses, leading many to believe he was sterile.
Many sons of Bona Sforza
Bona Sforza (1494-1564) m. Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland
1) Isabella (1519-1561) m. John Zapolya, anti King of Hungary
2) Sigismund II Augustus (1520-1558)* m. Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1557)
3) Albert (1522-1553) Duke of Bari and Rossano, m. Anna d'Este (1531-1607)
4) Vladislaus (1523-1532)
5) Casimir (1526-1528)
6) Alexander II (1527-1586) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1558, m. a) Barbara of Austria (1539-1572) b) Maximiliana Maria of Bavaria (1552-1614)
* ITTL Sigismund Augustus dies in hunting accident (Sigismund Augustus, like all Jagiellons, loved hunting, especially extremaly dangerous bear hunting, and in fact he was almost killed by bear in 1547, so it is not unlikely.
ITTL election vivente rege of Sigismund Augustus does not happen-price, that Siggie the Old and Bona would need to pay (change of method of election-instead of tiny council of magnates, whole noble class was meant to be allowed to participate in future election, in situation, where Sigismund Augustus was only son that price was acceptable-if he died dynasty would be doomed anyway, now trying to make him king during father's lifetime would complicate things for his younger brothers in case of his early death) is too big. As second brother predeceased Sigismund Augustus and his sons at the time are still kids (who, in addition, are ethnically Italian) throne is passed to last living son of Sigismund the Old and Bona. Thus older line of Jagiellons rule in tiny Italian duchies, while Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania goes to younger line.
Bona Sforza (1494-1564) m. Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland
1) Isabella (1519-1561) m. John Zapolya, anti King of Hungary
1) John Sigismund Zapolya (1540-1571) Duke of Transylvania
2) Sigismund II Augustus (1520-1558)* m. Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1557)
3) Albert (1522-1553) Duke of Bari and Rossano, m. Anna d'Este (1531-1607)
1) Isabella (1551-1619) m. Francis (1541-1587) Duke of Tuscany
2) Sigismund (1553-1601) Duke of Bari and Rossano, m. Margaret Gonzaga (1564-1618)
3) Albert (1554-1575)
4) Vladislaus (1523-1532)
5) Casimir (1526-1528)
6) Alexander II (1527-1586) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1558, m. a) Barbara of Austria (1539-1572) b) Maximiliana Maria of Bavaria (1552-1614)
1a) Hedwig (1562-1617) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tirol
2a) Sigismund III Maximilian (1566-1599) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1586 m. Margaret of Austria (1567-1633)
3b) Alexander III (1575-1630) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1599, m. Magdalene of Bavaria (1587-1628)
4b) Vladislaus (1577-1606)
* ITTL Sigismund Augustus dies in hunting accident (Sigismund Augustus, like all Jagiellons, loved hunting, especially extremaly dangerous bear hunting, and in fact he was almost killed by bear in 1547, so it is not unlikely.
ITTL election vivente rege of Sigismund Augustus does not happen-price, that Siggie the Old and Bona would need to pay (change of method of election-instead of tiny council of magnates, whole noble class was meant to be allowed to participate in future election, in situation, where Sigismund Augustus was only son that price was acceptable-if he died dynasty would be doomed anyway, now trying to make him king during father's lifetime would complicate things for his younger brothers in case of his early death) is too big. As second brother predeceased Sigismund Augustus and his sons at the time are still kids (who, in addition, are ethnically Italian) throne is passed to last living son of Sigismund the Old and Bona. Thus older line of Jagiellons rule in tiny Italian duchies, while Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania goes to younger line.
I may be misremembering, but wasn’t there a thread where the group would build a family? With one person adding one monarch, and the next adding the succeeding and so on? I can’t seem to find it, but I think it would be cool if we restarted that.
You are talking about this? https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/list-of-monarchs-iii.334892/page-156
Two questions that need to answered:
Why is Richard awarded custody of Margaret rather than Henry VI's halfbrother?
Why is Margaret receiving a duchy when English duchies traditionally went to men and aren't inheritable by women?
Otherwise fairly nice.
I know off the top of my head of at least two occasions where an English/British Duchy was created for a woman, Melusine von der Schulenberg was created Duchess of Munster by George I, and Queen Victoria created her uncles morganatic wife, Cecilia Murray, as Duchess of Inverness.
Neither of which were English titles.
The first is Irish.
The second Scottish. And notably wasn't morganatic as that doesn't really exist in the British Isles but because it was against the Royal Marriages Act therefore invalidating her rank.
I'll add that both circumstances were post Reformation, post Union, and had specific context not present here.
So, I kind of decided to jump on the Tiny Tudors craze with my own family tree idea. If you notice anything incorrect or have any suggestions, feel free to mention it 
Henry VIII (1491-1547) m. Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536; m. 1509-33) (a) and Anne Boleyn (1501/7-68) (b)
1a. stillborn girl (1510)
2a. Henry, Duke of Cornwall (1511-11)
3a. stillborn boy (1513)
4a. short-lived boy (1514-14)
5a. Mary Tudor, Duchess of Jülich-Cleves-Berge (1516-58) m. William, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berge (1516-92)
1. Katherine, Duchess of Prussia (1546-75), married Albert Frederick, Duke of Prussia with issue
2. Wilhelm of Cleves (1547-48)
3. stillborn daughter (1550)
4. short-lived daughter (1552-52)
5. Friedrich of Cleves (1554-92), married Maximiliana Maria of Bavaria with issue
6. Maria of Cleves (1556-73), died a nun
6a. short-lived daughter (1518-18)
7b. Elizabeth Tudor, Duchess of Orléans (1533-1603) m. Charles de Valois, Duke of Orléans (1522-50)
1. Charles of Orléans, later King Charles X of France (1549-1610), m. Marguerite de Valois with issue
2. Anne, Duchess of Montpensier (1551-1612), born posthumously, m. François, Duke of Montpensier with issue
8b. Edmund Tudor, Prince of Wales later King Edmund I (1533-89) m. Anna of Denmark (1532-85)
1. Anne/Anna, Princess of Asturias (1547-1612), married Carlos, Prince of Asturias with issue
2. Dorothea of England (1549-65), married twice without issue
3. Mary of England (1550-50)
4. George, Prince of Wales later George I of England (1552-1601), married Elisabeth of Prussia with issue
5. Henry, Duke of Lancaster later King of Consort Portugal (1554-1621), married Anna, Queen of Portugal
6. stillborn son (1555)
7. Elizabeth, Queen of Portugal (1557-79), married Eduardo, King of Portugal without issue
8. stillborn son (1560)
9. Edward of England (1563-63)
10. stillborn daughter (1564)
11. Christian, Duke of Gloucester (1567-1636), married Susan Bertie, Baroness Willoughby (a) (Peregrine is butterflied away) and Anne Percy (b) had issue with both
12. Margaret of England (1568-84), died unmarried
13. Isabel of England (1570-70)
9b. Arthur Tudor, Duke of York later known as King Consort Arthur I of Navarre (1533-70) m. Jeanne III of Navarre (1528-72)
1. Marguerite/Margarita, Grand Duchess of Tuscany (1550-82), married Francesco I de’ Medici with issue
2. Henri d'Albert (1551-51)
3. Katherine, Duchess of Guise (1553-91), married Henri I, Duke of Guise
4. Antoine, later King of Navarre (1556-1600), married Catherine-Marie de Lorraine
5. stillborn son (1557)
6. Francis d'Albert (1560-88), died unmarried without issue
10b. Anne Tudor later Anna, Princess of Portugal (1533-97) m. João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-54)
1. Anna, Queen of Portugal (1553-1626), married Henry, Duke of Lancaster
2. Eduardo, King of Portugal (1554-71), married Elizabeth of England
11b. Henry, Duke of Clarence, later known as King Consort Henry I of Scotland (1538-1602) m. Mary, Queen of Scots (1542-1603)
1. Mary, Queen of Sweden (1561-1612), married Sigismund III of Sweden
2. James VI of Scotland (1563-99), married Dorothea of Saxony
3. stillborn girl (1564)
4. Arabella, Countess of Argyll (1567-1633), married Archibald Campbell, 7th Earl of Argyll
Henry VIII (1491-1547) m. Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536; m. 1509-33) (a) and Anne Boleyn (1501/7-68) (b)
1a. stillborn girl (1510)
2a. Henry, Duke of Cornwall (1511-11)
3a. stillborn boy (1513)
4a. short-lived boy (1514-14)
5a. Mary Tudor, Duchess of Jülich-Cleves-Berge (1516-58) m. William, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berge (1516-92)
1. Katherine, Duchess of Prussia (1546-75), married Albert Frederick, Duke of Prussia with issue
2. Wilhelm of Cleves (1547-48)
3. stillborn daughter (1550)
4. short-lived daughter (1552-52)
5. Friedrich of Cleves (1554-92), married Maximiliana Maria of Bavaria with issue
6. Maria of Cleves (1556-73), died a nun
6a. short-lived daughter (1518-18)
7b. Elizabeth Tudor, Duchess of Orléans (1533-1603) m. Charles de Valois, Duke of Orléans (1522-50)
1. Charles of Orléans, later King Charles X of France (1549-1610), m. Marguerite de Valois with issue
2. Anne, Duchess of Montpensier (1551-1612), born posthumously, m. François, Duke of Montpensier with issue
8b. Edmund Tudor, Prince of Wales later King Edmund I (1533-89) m. Anna of Denmark (1532-85)
1. Anne/Anna, Princess of Asturias (1547-1612), married Carlos, Prince of Asturias with issue
2. Dorothea of England (1549-65), married twice without issue
3. Mary of England (1550-50)
4. George, Prince of Wales later George I of England (1552-1601), married Elisabeth of Prussia with issue
5. Henry, Duke of Lancaster later King of Consort Portugal (1554-1621), married Anna, Queen of Portugal
6. stillborn son (1555)
7. Elizabeth, Queen of Portugal (1557-79), married Eduardo, King of Portugal without issue
8. stillborn son (1560)
9. Edward of England (1563-63)
10. stillborn daughter (1564)
11. Christian, Duke of Gloucester (1567-1636), married Susan Bertie, Baroness Willoughby (a) (Peregrine is butterflied away) and Anne Percy (b) had issue with both
12. Margaret of England (1568-84), died unmarried
13. Isabel of England (1570-70)
9b. Arthur Tudor, Duke of York later known as King Consort Arthur I of Navarre (1533-70) m. Jeanne III of Navarre (1528-72)
1. Marguerite/Margarita, Grand Duchess of Tuscany (1550-82), married Francesco I de’ Medici with issue
2. Henri d'Albert (1551-51)
3. Katherine, Duchess of Guise (1553-91), married Henri I, Duke of Guise
4. Antoine, later King of Navarre (1556-1600), married Catherine-Marie de Lorraine
5. stillborn son (1557)
6. Francis d'Albert (1560-88), died unmarried without issue
10b. Anne Tudor later Anna, Princess of Portugal (1533-97) m. João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-54)
1. Anna, Queen of Portugal (1553-1626), married Henry, Duke of Lancaster
2. Eduardo, King of Portugal (1554-71), married Elizabeth of England
11b. Henry, Duke of Clarence, later known as King Consort Henry I of Scotland (1538-1602) m. Mary, Queen of Scots (1542-1603)
1. Mary, Queen of Sweden (1561-1612), married Sigismund III of Sweden
2. James VI of Scotland (1563-99), married Dorothea of Saxony
3. stillborn girl (1564)
4. Arabella, Countess of Argyll (1567-1633), married Archibald Campbell, 7th Earl of Argyll
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It's Six Good Emperors, or Seven
Note: This uses the Roman calender(AUC) because it's fun. * =death
Roman Emperors
-Antoninus Pius(894-917)
-Marcus Aurelius* and Lucius Verus(917-931)[1]
-Commodus(933-947) and Lucius Verus*(931-947)[2]
-Commodus* and Aurelius Verus(947-959)[3]
[1]POD is that Verus doesn't get sick. But Aurelius does earlier
[2]Avidius Cassius tries to usurp, but this doesn't work. Lucius Verus serves as a mentor figure that regulates Commodus' worst vices.
[3]Verus' son survives in this timeline. Commodus dies at a relatively young age, but by indulgences rather than murder
Note: This uses the Roman calender(AUC) because it's fun. * =death
Roman Emperors
-Antoninus Pius(894-917)
-Marcus Aurelius* and Lucius Verus(917-931)[1]
-Commodus(933-947) and Lucius Verus*(931-947)[2]
-Commodus* and Aurelius Verus(947-959)[3]
[1]POD is that Verus doesn't get sick. But Aurelius does earlier
[2]Avidius Cassius tries to usurp, but this doesn't work. Lucius Verus serves as a mentor figure that regulates Commodus' worst vices.
[3]Verus' son survives in this timeline. Commodus dies at a relatively young age, but by indulgences rather than murder
I've decided to take the plunge and write a timeline based on this scenario. Please feel free to give feedback:
A Reversal of Fortunes: A 'Tiny Tudors' Timeline
Joao Manuel not marrying Juana of Spain (and choosing a protestant princess in her place) is pretty unlikely, Anna would work better as second wife for Philip II of Spain...So, I kind of decided to jump on the Tiny Tudors craze with my own family tree idea. If you notice anything incorrect or have any suggestions, feel free to mention it
Henry VIII (1491-1547) m. Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536; m. 1509-33) (a) and Anne Boleyn (1501/7-68) (b)
1a. stillborn girl (1510)
2a. Henry, Duke of Cornwall (1511-11)
3a. stillborn boy (1513)
4a. short-lived boy (1514-14)
5a. Mary Tudor, Duchess of Jülich-Cleves-Berge (1516-58) m. William, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berge (1516-92)
1. Katherine, Duchess of Prussia (1546-75), married Albert Frederick, Duke of Prussia with issue
2. Wilhelm of Cleves (1547-48)
3. stillborn daughter (1550)
4. short-lived daughter (1552-52)
5. Friedrich of Cleves (1554-92), married Maximiliana Maria of Bavaria with issue
6. Maria of Cleves (1556-73), died a nun
6a. short-lived daughter (1518-18)
7b. Elizabeth Tudor, Duchess of Orléans (1533-1603) m. Charles de Valois, Duke of Orléans (1522-50)
1. Charles of Orléans, later King Charles X of France (1549-1610), m. Marguerite de Valois with issue
2. Anne, Duchess of Montpensier (1551-1612), born posthumously, m. François, Duke of Montpensier with issue
8b. Edmund Tudor, Prince of Wales later King Edmund I (1533-89) m. Anna of Denmark (1532-85)
1. Anne/Anna, Princess of Austrias (1547-1612), married Carlos, Prince of Austrias with issue
2. Dorothea of England (1549-65), married twice without issue
3. Mary of England (1550-50)
4. George, Prince of Wales later George I of England (1552-1601), married Elisabeth of Prussia with issue
5. Henry, Duke of Lancaster later King of Consort Portugal (1554-1621), married Anna, Queen of Portugal
6. stillborn son (1555)
7. Elizabeth, Queen of Portugal (1557-79), married Eduardo, King of Portugal without issue
8. stillborn son (1560)
9. Edward of England (1563-63)
10. stillborn daughter (1564)
11. Christian, Duke of Gloucester (1567-1636), married Susan Bertie, Baroness Willoughby (a) (Peregrine is butterflied away) and Anne Percy (b) had issue with both
12. Margaret of England (1568-84), died unmarried
13. Isabel of England (1570-70)
9b. Arthur Tudor, Duke of York later known as King Consort Arthur I of Navarre (1533-70) m. Jeanne III of Navarre (1528-72)
1. Marguerite/Margarita, Grand Duchess of Tuscany (1550-82), married Francesco I de’ Medici with issue
2. Henri d'Albert (1551-51)
3. Katherine, Duchess of Guise (1553-91), married Henri I, Duke of Guise
4. Antoine, later King of Navarre (1556-1600), married Catherine-Marie de Lorraine
5. stillborn son (1557)
6. Francis d'Albert (1560-88), died unmarried without issue
10b. Anne Tudor later Anna, Princess of Portugal (1533-97) m. João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-54)
1. Anna, Queen of Portugal (1553-1626), married Henry, Duke of Lancaster
2. Eduardo, King of Portugal (1554-71), married Elizabeth of England
11b. Henry, Duke of Clarence, later known as King Consort Henry I of Scotland (1538-1602) m. Mary, Queen of Scots (1542-1603)
1. Mary, Queen of Sweden (1561-1612), married Sigismund III of Sweden
2. James VI of Scotland (1563-99), married Dorothea of Saxony
3. stillborn girl (1564)
4. Arabella, Countess of Argyll (1567-1633), married Archibald Campbell, 7th Earl of Argyll
The title of the heir of Spain is Prince of Asturias (you have written it as Austrias, pretty easy mistake)
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Eleanor of Aquitaine m. Louis VII div. 1151 m. Henry II of England(b)
1a. Marie of France m. Henry I of Champagne
2a. Alix of France m. Theobald V of Champagne
4b. Henry, the Young King m. Beatrice of Swabia
5b. Matilda of England m. Philip I of Flanders(b)
5b. Richard I of Aquitaine m. Margaret of France
6b. Geoffrey VI, Duke of Anjou m. Ida of Boulogne
7b. Eleanor of England m. Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor
8b. Joan of England m. Philippe II Auguste
9b. John, Duke of Brittany m. Constance of Brittany
1a. Marie of France m. Henry I of Champagne
2a. Alix of France m. Theobald V of Champagne
4b. Henry, the Young King m. Beatrice of Swabia
5b. Matilda of England m. Philip I of Flanders(b)
5b. Richard I of Aquitaine m. Margaret of France
6b. Geoffrey VI, Duke of Anjou m. Ida of Boulogne
7b. Eleanor of England m. Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor
8b. Joan of England m. Philippe II Auguste
9b. John, Duke of Brittany m. Constance of Brittany
Henry V marries Isabel of Portugal
Henry V (1387-1421) King of England 1413, m. (in 1415) Isabella of Portugal (1397-1471)
1) Henry VI (1416-1444) King of England 1422
2) John II (1418-1473) King of England 1444, m. Anne Beauchamp (1426-1492)
3) Mary (1421-1480) m. Charles IV/I (1421-1482) King of Navarre and Aragon
Henry V (1387-1421) King of England 1413, m. (in 1415) Isabella of Portugal (1397-1471)
1) Henry VI (1416-1444) King of England 1422
2) John II (1418-1473) King of England 1444, m. Anne Beauchamp (1426-1492)
1) Henry (1443-1446)
2) John III (1445-1507) King of England 1473, m. Bona of Savoy (1449-1503)
3) Isabel (1447)
4) Mary (1449-1457)
5) Anne (1455-1511) m. John II (1455-1495) King of Portugal
3) Mary (1421-1480) m. Charles IV/I (1421-1482) King of Navarre and Aragon
1) John (1440-1448)
2) Charles V/II (1442-1501) King of Navarre and Aragon, m. Magdalena of France (1443-1495)
3) Alfonso (1445)
4) Henry (1448-1450)
5) Blanche (1450-1502) m. Alfonso II (1448-1495) King of Naples
Scenario: Surviving Henry Brandon, Earl of Lincoln, unmarried as of Edward VI's death, is his chosen successor over Jane Grey. He married the Lady Elizabeth and ascends to the English throne.
Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1532) m. Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1515) (a), Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1484: d.1545) (b)
Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1532) m. Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1515) (a), Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1484: d.1545) (b)
1b) Henry Brandon (b.1516: d.1522)
2b) Frances Brandon (b.1517: d.1559) m. Henry Grey, Duke of Suffolk (b.1517: d.1563) (a)
1a) Jane Grey (b.1537: d.1599) m. Mangus, Duke of Holsetin (b.1540: d.1583) (a)
1a) Marie of Oldenburg (b.1552)
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1555)
3a) Elizabeth of Oldenburg (b.1556: d.1570)
4a) Mangus of Oldenburg (b.1560: d.1561)
2a) Katherine Grey (b.1540: d.1575) m. Henry Herbert, Earl of Pembroke (c.1539: d.1601) (a)
1a) Henry Herbert (b.1556)
2a) John Herbert (b.1558)
3a) Frances Herbert (b.1559)
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1560)
5a) Elizabeth Herbert (b.1562)
6a) Thomas Herbert (b.1564)
7a) Margaret Herbert (b.1567)
8a) Stillborn Son (c.1568)
9a) George Herbert (b.1571)
10a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1572)
11a) Catherine Herbert (b.1574)
3a) Mary Grey (b.1545: d.1578) m. Thomas Keyes (c.1524: d.1571) (a)
3b) Eleanor Brandon (b.1519: d.1547) m. Henry Clifford, Earl of Cumberland (b.1517: d.1570) (a)
1a) Margaret Clifford (b.1540: d.1596) m. Henry Stanley, Earl of Derby (b.1531: d.1593) (a)
1a) Edward Stanley (c.1558)
2a) Ferdinando Stanley (b.1559)
3a) William Stanley (b.1561)
4a) Frances Stanley (b.1562: d.1562)
2a) Henry Clifford (c.1545)
3a) Charles Clifford (c.1545)
4b) Henry IX, King of England and Ireland (b.1523: d.1587) m. Elizabeth Tudor (b.1533: d.1603) (a)
1a) Edward Brandon, Prince of Wales (b.1554)
2a) Margaret Brandon, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1555)
3a) Charles Brandon, Duke of York (b.1556)
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1557)
5a) Elizabeth Brandon, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1559)
6a) Henry Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1563: d.1580)
7a) Stillborn Son (c.1564)
8a) Edmund Brandon, Duke of Gloucester (b.1567)