List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[kasumigenx]

Louis VII dies in 1151.

Eleanor of Aquitaine m. Louis VII d. 1151 m. Henry II of England(b)

1a. Marie of France m. Philip I, Count of Flanders

2a. Alix of France m. William the Lion of Scotland

4b. Henry, the Young King m. Ida of Boulogne

5b. Matilda of England m. William II of Sicily

5b. Richard I of Aquitaine m. Margaret of France

6b. Geoffrey II, Duke of Brittany m. Constance, Duchess of Brittany

7b. Eleanor of England m. Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor

8b. Joan of England m. Alfonso IX of Leon

9b. John, Lord of Ireland m. Alice of Savoy



Frederick Barbarossa m. Beatrice of Burgundy

1b. Beatrice of Swabia b. (1158)(1162)? m. Henry the Lion, Duke of Saxony and Bavaria

2c. Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor d. 1200 m. Eleanor of England

3b. Henry I, Count of Burgundy m . Margaret of Blois

5b. Gisele of Swabia b. 1168 m. Philippe II Auguste of France

6b. Eudes I, Count of Luxemourg b. 1170 m. Matilda of Sicily*

7b. Conrad II, Duke of Swabia b. 1172 d. 1196

10a. Philip I b. 1177, Holy Roman Emperor

*Daughter of Matilda of England and William II of Sicily

 

[kasumigenx]

Wanking both Eleanor of Austria and Mary of Burgundy.

Mary of Burgundy b. 1457 d. 1497 m. Maximilian I of Holy Roman Empire(a)

1a. Philip, Duke of Burgundy b. 1478 d. 1508 m. Joanna of Castile b. 1479 d. 1558

1a1a. Eleanor I of Burgundy b. 1498 m. Frederick II, Elector Palatinate[1]

1a2a. Isabella of Burgundy b. 1501 m. Francis I of France[2]

--other issues insignificant--

2a. Margaret of Austria b. 1480 m. Juan, Prince of Asturias d. 1499(a)

2a1a. Eleanor of Castile b. 1498 m. Miguel I of Portugal

2a2a. Ferdinand III of Castile and Aragon b. 1499 m. Madeleine of Navarre b. 1494

3a. Francis I, Holy Roman Emperor b. 1481 m. Margaret of Brandenburg-Ansbach b. 1483(a)

3a1a. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor b.1500 m. Isabella of Portugal

--other issues insignificant--

4a. Eleanor of Austria b. 1483 m. Vladislaus II of Hungary

4a1a. Louis II of Hungary b. 1500

--other issues insignificant—

5a. Charles, Count of Alsace b. 1488 m. Elizabeth Tudor[3]

-- issue insignificant—

6a. Elizabeth of Austria b. 1490 m. Sigismund the Old

6a1a. Sigismund Augustus b. 1508

--other issue insignificant—



1. Doesn't she deserve happiness ITTL?

2.Son of Anne of Brittany and Louis XII

3. Daughter of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York

 

[VVD0D95]

PODD: Alexander, Duke of Ross and brother of James V of Scotland survives.

James IV of Scotland (b.1473: d.1513) m Margaret Tudor (b.1489: d.1541)

Issue:

James V of Scotland (b.1512: d.1542)

Alexander IV of Scotland (b.1514)

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Alexander IV of Scotland (b.1514: d.1578) m Catherine Erskine (b.1516) marriage arranged by Alexander's brother James in 1534.

Issue:

James, Earl of Ormond (b.1535: d.1537)

Margaret of Ross (b.1536)

Alexander V of Scotland (b.1538) marries Mary, daughter of James V in 1558 thus uniting the two lines of the Stewart dynasty.

Mary of Scotland (b.1540: d.1542)

Robert, Duke of Ross (b.1543)

John of Scotland (b.1545: d.1547)

Catherine of Scotland (b.1548)

 

[HortenseMancini]

PODD: Alexander, Duke of Ross and brother of James V of Scotland survives.

James IV of Scotland (b.1473: d.1513) m Margaret Tudor (b.1489: d.1541)

Issue:

James V of Scotland (b.1512: d.1542)

Alexander IV of Scotland (b.1514)

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Alexander IV of Scotland (b.1514: d.1578) m Catherine Erskine (b.1516) marriage arranged by Alexander's brother James in 1534.

Issue:

James, Earl of Ormond (b.1535: d.1537)

Margaret of Ross (b.1536)

Alexander V of Scotland (b.1538) marries Mary, daughter of James V in 1558 thus uniting the two lines of the Stewart dynasty.

Mary of Scotland (b.1540: d.1542)

Robert, Duke of Ross (b.1543)

John of Scotland (b.1545: d.1547)

Catherine of Scotland (b.1548)

Always like a TL where Mary, Queen of Scots (likely) gets to keep her head on her shoulders...

 

[VVD0D95]

Always like a TL where Mary, Queen of Scots (likely) gets to keep her head on her shoulders...

Especially if she actually gets to be with someone who actually you know cares about her and isn't using her for her power.

 

[King_Arthur]

WI: Edward IV died at Tewkesbury?

Henry VI (1421-1478) R. 1422-1461, 1470-1478 M. 1445 Margaret of Anjou (1430-1482)

• Edward V (1453-1515) R. 1478-1515 M. 1470 Anne Neville (1456-1497),
  • Henry VII (1473-1530) R. 1515-1530 M. 1487 Elizabeth of York (1466-1505),
  • Edward, 17th Earl of Warwick (1475-1522) M. 1490 Anne, Duchess of Brittany (1477-1520) R. 1490-1520
  • Anne of Lancaster (1479-1510) M. 1496 Louis XII of France (1462-1514) R. 1497-1514

Richard of York, 3rd Duke of York (1411-1460) M. 1429 Cecily Neville (1415-1493)

• Edward IV(1443-1471) R. 1461-1470 M. 1464 Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1484)
  • Elizabeth of York (1466-1505) M. 1487 Henry VII (1473-1530) R. 1515-1530
  • Edward of York, Prince of Wales (1470-1489)
  • Others
• George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence (1449-1475) M. 1469 Isabel Neville (1451-1509)
  • Margaret of Clarence (1473-1498) M. 1491 Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (1459-1518) R. 1486-1518
• Richard, 1st Duke of Gloucester (1452-1471)
• Others

 

[FalconHonour]

In a world where Jeanne of Navarre's younger brother lives to adulthood and Henry and Anne Boleyn have quadruplets (Yes, I decided to play along too, at least to the extent of plotting out a basic family tree...)

Henry VIII of England m 1533 Anne Boleyn

1) Princess Elizabeth (b. 1 August 1533) m. Frederick II of Denmark (b. 1 July 1534)

2) Edward, Prince of Wales (b. 1 August 1533) m. 1548 Jeanne of Navarre (b. 16 November 1528)
- Prince Henry of Wales (b.1550)
- Lady Anne of Wales (b.1552)
- Lady Margaret of Wales (1553-1554)
- Lady Joan of Wales (b.1555)
- Lord Edward of Wales (1556-1562)
-Lord George of Wales (b. 1558)

3) George, Duke of York and Pembroke (1 August 1533) m. Lady Jane Grey (b. 12. Oct 1537)

4) Lady Anne (b. 1 August 1533) m. James Hamilton, 3rd Earl of Arran (b. 1537)

Notes: May seem odd choices of marital partners, but I was trying to find French proxies for at least some of the children, given Anne's pro-French attitudes. And I thought a Scottish alliance made sense, but Mary Queen of Scots was probably too young for Edward or George, so Lady Anne to James Hamilton it was...

 

[Jonathan]

Looking for assistance on this family tree. The scenario is this:
William, Duke of Clarence and his wife Adelaide successfully have a son on Christmas Day in 1819. This birth then allows Princess Alexandra to marry future Tsar Alexander III.

I imagine these are the marriages that would fit both the British and the Russians, any suggestions or exchanges would be much appreciated.

George III of the United Kingdom (4/6/1738–29/1/1820) m. 1761, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (19/5/1744–17/11/1818)

1) George IV of the UK (12/8/1762-26/6/1830 m. 1795, separated 1796, Princess Caroline of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel​

1) Princess Charlotte Augusta of Wales (7/1/1796–6/11/1817) m. 1816, Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (16/12/1790–10/12/1865)​

2) Prince Frederick, Duke of York and Albany (16/8/1763-5/1/1827) m. 1791, Princess Frederica of Prussia​

3) William IV of the UK (21/8/1765-20/6/1837) m. 1818, Princess Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen (13/8/1792–2/12/1849)​

1) Princess Charlotte of Clarence (27/3/1819)​

2) William V of United Kingdom (25/12/1819-18/09/1900) m. 1837, Princess Sophie of the Netherlands (8 April 1824 – 23 March 1897)​

George, Prince of Wales (31/7/1838—20 November 1894) m. 1858, Grand Duchess Alexandra Alexandrovna of Russia (21/11/1840-5/8/1901)​

Adelaide, Princess Royal (21/9/1840-20/1/1927) m. 1857, Frederick VIII of Denmark (3 June 1843 – 14 May 1912)​

Prince William, Duke of York and Albany (12/10/1842-31/5/1899) m.​

Prince Augustus, Duke of Clarence and Ross (1/4/1844-28/2/1912) m. Princess Charlotte of Prussia (24 July 1860 – 1 October 1919)​

Princess Sophie (17/4/1847-26/2/1901) m. 1864, William, Prince of Orange (4/9/1840–11/6/1879)​

Princess Elisabeth (20/1/1849–6/5/1922) m. 1866, Bernhard III, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen (1/4/1851–16/1/1928)​

Princess Charlotte (29/3/1851-26/4/1859)​

Princess Georgina (28/2/1854-10/7/1908) m.​

3) Princess Elizabeth of Clarence (10/12/1820-4/3/1821)​

4) Stillborn twin boy, unnamed (8/4/1822)​

5) Stillborn twin boy, unnamed (8/4/1822)​

4) Charlotte, Princess Royal (29/9/1766-6/10/1828) m. 1797, King Frederick of Württemberg​

5) Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (2/11/1767-23/1/1820) m. 1818, Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld​

Princess Alexandra Victoria (24/5/1819 – 22/1/1901) m. 1839, Alexander II of Russia (29/4/1818–13/3/1881)​

1) Grand Duchess Alexandra Alexandrovna of Russia (21/11/1840-5/8/1901) m. 1858, George, Prince of Wales (31/7/1838—20/11/1894)​

2) Nicholas II of Russia (9/11/1841-6/5/1910) m. 1863, Alexandra of Denmark (1/12/1844–20/11/1925)​

3) Grand Duke Alexander of Russia 25/4/1843-14/12/1878) m.​

4) Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna of Russia (6/8/1844-31/7/1900) m.​

5) Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia (25/5/1846-9-1923) m. 1466,​

6) Grand Duchess Catherine Alexandrovna of Russia (18/3/1848-3/12/1939) m. 1867, George I of Greece (24 December 1845 – 18 March 1913)​

7) Grand Duke George of Russia (1/5/1850-16/1/1942) m.​

8) Grand Duke Alexi of Russia (7/4/1853-28/3/1884) m. Princess Louise Margaret of Prussia (25 July 1860 – 14 March 1917)​

9) Grand Duchess Elizabeth of Russia (14/4/1857-26/10/1944) m. Frederick Francis III, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (19 March 1851 – 10 April 1897)​

10) Grand Duke Paul of Russia (3/10/1860–20/5/1921) m. 1880, Grand Duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna of Russia (28/7/1860–11/3/1922)​

6) Princess Augusta Sophia (8/11/1768-22/9/1840)​

7) Princess Elizabeth (22/5/1770-10/1/1840) m. 1818, Frederick, Landgrave of Hesse-Homburg​

8) Prince Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (5/6/1771-18/11/1851) m. 1815, Princess Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (3/3/1778–29/6/1841)​

Prince George, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (27/5/1819–12/6/1878) m.​

9) Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (27/1/1773-21/4/1843) m. a) The Lady Augusta Murray, annulled, 1794. m. b) 1831, The Lady Cecilia Buggin​

10) Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge (24/2/1774-8/7/1850) m. 1818, Princess Augusta of Hesse-Kassel​

11) Princess Mary, Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh (25 April 1776-30/4/1857) m. 1816, Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh​

12) Princess Sophia (3/11/1777-27/5/1848)​

13) Prince Octavius (23/2/1779-3/5/1783)​

14) Prince Alfred (22/9/1780-20/8/1782)​

15) Princess Amelia (7/8/1783-2/11/1810)​

 

[HortenseMancini]

Looking for assistance on this family tree. The scenario is this:
William, Duke of Clarence and his wife Adelaide successfully have a son on Christmas Day in 1819. This birth then allows Princess Alexandra to marry future Tsar Alexander III.

I imagine these are the marriages that would fit both the British and the Russians, any suggestions or exchanges would be much appreciated.

George III of the United Kingdom (4/6/1738–29/1/1820) m. 1761, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (19/5/1744–17/11/1818)

1) George IV of the UK (12/8/1762-26/6/1830 m. 1795, separated 1796, Princess Caroline of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel​

1) Princess Charlotte Augusta of Wales (7/1/1796–6/11/1817) m. 1816, Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (16/12/1790–10/12/1865)​

2) Prince Frederick, Duke of York and Albany (16/8/1763-5/1/1827) m. 1791, Princess Frederica of Prussia​

3) William IV of the UK (21/8/1765-20/6/1837) m. 1818, Princess Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen (13/8/1792–2/12/1849)​

1) Princess Charlotte of Clarence (27/3/1819)​

2) William V of United Kingdom (25/12/1819-18/09/1900) m. 1837, Princess Sophie of the Netherlands (8 April 1824 – 23 March 1897)​

George, Prince of Wales (31/7/1838—20 November 1894) m. 1858, Grand Duchess Alexandra Alexandrovna of Russia (21/11/1840-5/8/1901)​

Adelaide, Princess Royal (21/9/1840-20/1/1927) m. 1857, Pedro V of Portugal (16 September 1837 – 11 November 1861)​

Prince William, Duke of York and Albany (12/10/1842-31/5/1899) m.​

Prince Augusta, Duke of Clarence and Ross (1/4/1844-28/2/1912) m. Princess Louise Margaret of Prussia (25 July 1860 – 14 March 1917)​

Princess Sophie (17/4/1847-26/2/1901) m. 1864, William, Prince of Orange (4/9/1840–11/6/1879)​

Princess Elisabeth (20/1/1849–6/5/1922) m. 1866, Bernhard III, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen (1/4/1851–16/1/1928)​

Princess Charlotte (29/3/1851-26/4/1859)​

Princess Georgina (28/2/1854-10/7/1908) m.​

3) Princess Elizabeth of Clarence (10/12/1820-4/3/1821)​

4) Stillborn twin boy, unnamed (8/4/1822)​

5) Stillborn twin boy, unnamed (8/4/1822)​

4) Charlotte, Princess Royal (29/9/1766-6/10/1828) m. 1797, King Frederick of Württemberg​

5) Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (2/11/1767-23/1/1820) m. 1818, Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld​

Princess Alexandra Victoria (24/5/1819 – 22/1/1901) m. 1839, Alexander II of Russia (29/4/1818–13/3/1881)​

1) Grand Duchess Alexandra Alexandrovna of Russia (21/11/1840-5/8/1901) m. 1858, George, Prince of Wales (31/7/1838—20/11/1894)​

2) Nicholas II of Russia (9/11/1841-6/5/1910) m. 1863, Alexandra of Denmark (1/12/1844–20/11/1925)​

3) Grand Duke Alexander of Russia 25/4/1843-14/12/1878) m.​

4) Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna of Russia (6/8/1844-31/7/1900) m. Frederick VIII of Denmark (3 June 1843 – 14 May 1912)​

5) Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia (25/5/1846-9-1923) m. 1466,​

6) Grand Duchess Catherine Alexandrovna of Russia (18/3/1848-3/12/1939) m. 1867, George I of Greece (24 December 1845 – 18 March 1913)​

7) Grand Duke George of Russia (1/5/1850-16/1/1942) m.​

8) Grand Duke Alexi of Russia (7/4/1853-28/3/1884) m. Princess Charlotte of Prussia (24 July 1860 – 1 October 1919)​

9) Grand Duchess Elanor of Russia (14/4/1857-26/10/1944) m. Frederick Francis III, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (19 March 1851 – 10 April 1897)​

10) Grand Duke Paul of Russia (3/10/1860–20/5/1921) m. 1880, Grand Duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna of Russia (28/7/1860–11/3/1922)​

6) Princess Augusta Sophia (8/11/1768-22/9/1840)​

7) Princess Elizabeth (22/5/1770-10/1/1840) m. 1818, Frederick, Landgrave of Hesse-Homburg​

8) Prince Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (5/6/1771-18/11/1851) m. 1815, Princess Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (3/3/1778–29/6/1841)​

Prince George, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (27/5/1819–12/6/1878) m.​

9) Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (27/1/1773-21/4/1843) m. a) The Lady Augusta Murray, annulled, 1794. m. b) 1831, The Lady Cecilia Buggin​

10) Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge (24/2/1774-8/7/1850) m. 1818, Princess Augusta of Hesse-Kassel​

11) Princess Mary, Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh (25 April 1776-30/4/1857) m. 1816, Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh​

12) Princess Sophia (3/11/1777-27/5/1848)​

13) Prince Octavius (23/2/1779-3/5/1783)​

14) Prince Alfred (22/9/1780-20/8/1782)​

15) Princess Amelia (7/8/1783-2/11/1810)​

Ooooo we've broken the curse on the Romanov Alexandras TTL. Also, I don't think Elanor/Eleanor would be used for a Russian grand duchess. I would suggest Elena, Anastasia, or Elizabeth. Maybe Natalia or Irina in a pinch.

 

[Jonathan]

Ooooo we've broken the curse on the Romanov Alexandras TTL. Also, I don't think Elanor/Eleanor would be used for a Russian grand duchess. I would suggest Elena, Anastasia, or Elizabeth. Maybe Natalia or Irina in a pinch.

I was skeptic of this name. Elizabeth would be perfect. Any matches for the single Russians.

 

[JonasResende]

Adelaide, Princess Royal (21/9/1840-20/1/1927) m. 1857, Pedro V of Portugal (16 September 1837 – 11 November 1861)

Yeah, no way are they marrying a Princess Royal to a Catholic - especially a Coburg (William IV hated the Coburgs because of the duchess of Kent IIRC) one - when her brothers aren't even married yet. OTL, they considered the match between Pedro V and Alice, never Vicky. Here, with fewer sons, I doubt that the match will even make it past consideration.

Prince Augusta, Duke of Clarence and Ross (1/4/1844-28/2/1912) m. Princess Louise Margaret of Prussia (25 July 1860 – 14 March 1917)

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Think you'd be about a century and a half early for same-sex marriages to be recognized. If Augusta should be August, then Luise's older sister, Marie, seems more likely. But, Addy of Prussia (OTL Duchess of Mecklenburg) was also considered for Bertie as well as the duke of Cambridge. She was rich, which for a third son will go a long way.

Princess Elisabeth (20/1/1849–6/5/1922) m. 1866, Bernhard III, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen (1/4/1851–16/1/1928)
Princess Charlotte (29/3/1851-26/4/1859)
Princess Georgina (28/2/1854-10/7/1908) m.

Meiningen seems a touch low. Doesn't really have the ties to make such a match worthwhile. Wilhelm II of Württemberg was pushed as a match (by his mom and aunt, the queen of the Netherlands) for Princess Beatrice OTL, think he'd make a more likely match than Meiningen. Württemberg's at least got a crown.

1) Grand Duchess Alexandra Alexandrovna of Russia (21/11/1840-5/8/1901) m. 1858, George, Prince of Wales (31/7/1838—20/11/1894)
2) Nicholas II of Russia (9/11/1841-6/5/1910) m. 1863, Alexandra of Denmark (1/12/1844–20/11/1925)
3) Grand Duke Alexander of Russia 25/4/1843-14/12/1878) m.
4) Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna of Russia (6/8/1844-31/7/1900) m. Frederick VIII of Denmark (3 June 1843 – 14 May 1912)
5) Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia (25/5/1846-9-1923) m. 1466,
6) Grand Duchess Catherine Alexandrovna of Russia (18/3/1848-3/12/1939) m. 1867, George I of Greece (24 December 1845 – 18 March 1913)
7) Grand Duke George of Russia (1/5/1850-16/1/1942) m.
8) Grand Duke Alexi of Russia (7/4/1853-28/3/1884) m. Princess Charlotte of Prussia (24 July 1860 – 1 October 1919)
9) Grand Duchess Elizabeth of Russia (14/4/1857-26/10/1944) m. Frederick Francis III, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (19 March 1851 – 10 April 1897)
10) Grand Duke Paul of Russia (3/10/1860–20/5/1921) m. 1880, Grand Duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna of Russia (28/7/1860–11/3/1922)

Whoa! What's with the Danish invasion of St. Petersburg? Three matches in one decade? Nope.

TTL Nixa to Alix, yes. TTL Maria Alexandrovna to Frittie, yes.
Also, names like Ekaterina and Elizabeth were either considered "unlucky" (Alix of Hesse wanted to be Ekaterina Feodorovna, Nikolai II advised her against it for the associations with Catherine the Great; and Nikolai I's niece, Elizabeth "Lili" Mikhailovna had died two-three years before that in childbirth; not to mention that Elizabeth Nikolaïevna (daughter of Nikolai I) had died in childbirth, Elizabeth Alexeïevna (née Luise of Baden) was childless, Elizabeth Petrovna had had no children...you see where this is going, I hope).
TTL Alexander Alexandrovich will likely marry Tina of Oldenburg (as was proposed OTL for both OTL Nixa and OTL AIII),
Who is the Charlotte of Prussia that Alexei Alexandrovich will marry? You've butterflied away her mom by marrying Drina of Kent to Alexander II, so her dad likely marries a Russian grand duchess as Wilhelm I and Friedrich Wilhelm IV both wanted. And a fourth son of the Russian emperor certainly seems like a stepdown for the eldest daughter of the king of Prussia

Also, with Leopold of Coburg not wanting to hang around in England - if his niece isn't going to be queen, likely he takes the first best offer of a crown to him (namely, Greece). Leopold was a cannier politician than Othon of Bavaria, so while I'm not sure if he's canny enough for Greece, he can probably avoid being deposed (he'd probably also avoid a match with Amalie of Oldenburg - who suffered from Müllerian agenesis - his sister is at the Württemberger court, so likely a match with Marie of Württemberg works better that Othon's attempts OTL).

@Valena

 

[WillVictoria]

Looking for assistance on this family tree. The scenario is this:
William, Duke of Clarence and his wife Adelaide successfully have a son on Christmas Day in 1819. This birth then allows Princess Alexandra to marry future Tsar Alexander III.

I imagine these are the marriages that would fit both the British and the Russians, any suggestions or exchanges would be much appreciated.

George III of the United Kingdom (4/6/1738–29/1/1820) m. 1761, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (19/5/1744–17/11/1818)

1) George IV of the UK (12/8/1762-26/6/1830 m. 1795, separated 1796, Princess Caroline of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel​

1) Princess Charlotte Augusta of Wales (7/1/1796–6/11/1817) m. 1816, Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (16/12/1790–10/12/1865)​

2) Prince Frederick, Duke of York and Albany (16/8/1763-5/1/1827) m. 1791, Princess Frederica of Prussia​

3) William IV of the UK (21/8/1765-20/6/1837) m. 1818, Princess Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen (13/8/1792–2/12/1849)​

1) Princess Charlotte of Clarence (27/3/1819)​

2) William V of United Kingdom (25/12/1819-18/09/1900) m. 1837, Princess Sophie of the Netherlands (8 April 1824 – 23 March 1897)​

George, Prince of Wales (31/7/1838—20 November 1894) m. 1858, Grand Duchess Alexandra Alexandrovna of Russia (21/11/1840-5/8/1901)​

Adelaide, Princess Royal (21/9/1840-20/1/1927) m. 1857, Pedro V of Portugal (16 September 1837 – 11 November 1861) [1]​

Prince William, Duke of York and Albany (12/10/1842-31/5/1899) m.​

Prince Augusta, Duke of Clarence and Ross (1/4/1844-28/2/1912) m. Princess Louise Margaret of Prussia (25 July 1860 – 14 March 1917)​

Princess Sophie (17/4/1847-26/2/1901) m. 1864, William, Prince of Orange (4/9/1840–11/6/1879)​

Princess Elisabeth (20/1/1849–6/5/1922) m. 1866, Bernhard III, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen (1/4/1851–16/1/1928)​

Princess Charlotte (29/3/1851-26/4/1859)​

Princess Georgina (28/2/1854-10/7/1908) m.​

3) Princess Elizabeth of Clarence (10/12/1820-4/3/1821)​

4) Stillborn twin boy, unnamed (8/4/1822)​

5) Stillborn twin boy, unnamed (8/4/1822)​

4) Charlotte, Princess Royal (29/9/1766-6/10/1828) m. 1797, King Frederick of Württemberg​

5) Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (2/11/1767-23/1/1820) m. 1818, Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld​

Princess Alexandra Victoria (24/5/1819 – 22/1/1901) m. 1839, Alexander II of Russia (29/4/1818–13/3/1881)​

1) Grand Duchess Alexandra Alexandrovna of Russia (21/11/1840-5/8/1901) m. 1858, George, Prince of Wales (31/7/1838—20/11/1894)​

2) Nicholas II of Russia (9/11/1841-6/5/1910) m. 1863, Alexandra of Denmark (1/12/1844–20/11/1925)​

3) Grand Duke Alexander of Russia 25/4/1843-14/12/1878) m.​

4) Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna of Russia (6/8/1844-31/7/1900) m. Frederick VIII of Denmark (3 June 1843 – 14 May 1912)​

5) Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia (25/5/1846-9-1923) m. 1466,​

6) Grand Duchess Catherine Alexandrovna of Russia (18/3/1848-3/12/1939) m. 1867, George I of Greece (24 December 1845 – 18 March 1913)​

7) Grand Duke George of Russia (1/5/1850-16/1/1942) m.​

8) Grand Duke Alexi of Russia (7/4/1853-28/3/1884) m. Princess Charlotte of Prussia (24 July 1860 – 1 October 1919) [2] ​

9) Grand Duchess Elizabeth of Russia (14/4/1857-26/10/1944) m. Frederick Francis III, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (19 March 1851 – 10 April 1897)​

10) Grand Duke Paul of Russia (3/10/1860–20/5/1921) m. 1880, Grand Duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna of Russia (28/7/1860–11/3/1922)​

6) Princess Augusta Sophia (8/11/1768-22/9/1840)​

7) Princess Elizabeth (22/5/1770-10/1/1840) m. 1818, Frederick, Landgrave of Hesse-Homburg​

8) Prince Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (5/6/1771-18/11/1851) m. 1815, Princess Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (3/3/1778–29/6/1841)​

Prince George, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (27/5/1819–12/6/1878) m.​

9) Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (27/1/1773-21/4/1843) m. a) The Lady Augusta Murray, annulled, 1794. m. b) 1831, The Lady Cecilia Buggin​

10) Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge (24/2/1774-8/7/1850) m. 1818, Princess Augusta of Hesse-Kassel​

11) Princess Mary, Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh (25 April 1776-30/4/1857) m. 1816, Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh​

12) Princess Sophia (3/11/1777-27/5/1848)​

13) Prince Octavius (23/2/1779-3/5/1783)​

14) Prince Alfred (22/9/1780-20/8/1782)​

15) Princess Amelia (7/8/1783-2/11/1810)​

Two quick questions for this timeline:
[1] Why is the Princess Royal marrying a Catholic? At the time of her marriage, she's probably in the top 5 for the line of succession and at a point when Catholic emancipation was less than 30 years prior. People were raising a fit when Princess Beatrice's daughter, Ena, married the King of Spain and she wasn't even a British Princess. I just can't see it.
[2] Who is Charlotte of Prussia here? If we're referring to Friedrich III's daughter by Vicky, then she's been butterflied away with Victoria heading to St.Petersburg and Vicky never being born

As for the British girls, if Frederick VIII doesn't marry Louise of Sweden (which was very popular in Denmark) he likely makes a play for one of the British girls as having three of the Danish siblings (Alexandra/George I of Greece/Frederick) marry Russians is overkill. George I needs to marry a Russian, but only one of Alexandra/Frederick needs to join him. IOTL Frederick wanted to marry Louise of the UK but Victoria said no because she didn't want another Danish match and had no desire to let her daughter move out of Britain. The most sensible is to have Bernhard marry Charlotte (who is his age) freeing up Elisabeth for Frederick. As for Georgina, a possible match is the Grand Duke of Baden.

For the Russians, I can see one of the girls ending up with Fritz (the future Friedrich III). IOTL he ended up with Vicky, much to the displeasure of the Anglophobic court. Here, with an attractive Russian option, they likely go that way (someone like Adelaide of the UK might be offered, but I don't know if she sticks). There's also the future King of Wurttemberg, who's aunt by marriage is Nicholas I's daughter.

 

[WillVictoria]

Sorry for the double post but here it goes

Whoa! What's with the Danish invasion of St. Petersburg? Three matches in one decade? Nope.

TTL Nixa to Alix, yes. TTL Maria Alexandrovna to Frittie, yes.

Agree about there not being three Danish matches in one generation, but if anyone's being cut loose it's probably Frittie. George I has to marry a Russian Grand Duchess , St.Petersburg will insist on it. Russia is in it's "protect the Orthodox" stage, and will see it as essential the Queen of Greece is a good Orthodox woman raising her children to be the same.

In this case, the choice is between Nixa-Alix and Frittie-Maria, and given how wild the Russian court was about Alix IOTL I think it's more likely they cut Frederick loose to either marry a British Princess (in this case Adelaide or one of her younger sisters) or his OTL wife Louise of Sweden

 

[HortenseMancini]

@FalconHonour @Cate13 So yours truly also decided to take the Tiny Tudors Challenge. Here's a family tree for Henry VIII circa 1570s or so. I'm appreciating the irony of Anne Boleyn having not one but two granddaughters named Catherine.

Henry VIII Tudor, King of England (b. 1491, d. 1551) m. Katherine of Aragon (b. 1485, d. 1535) in 1509, div. 1533, had issue (a); Anne Boleyn (b. ~1501, d. 1562) in 1533, had issue (b)

1a) Mary Tudor, Duchess of Beja (b. 1516, d. 1558) m. Infante Luis of Portugal, Duke of Beja (b. 1506, d. 1555) in 1537, had issue​

1) Infanta Maria of Beja (b. and d. 1542)​

2) Infanta Catarina of Beja (b. 1548, d. 1549)​

1b) Edward VI Tudor, King of England (b. 1533, r. 1551-1599, d. 1599; quadruplet of Elizabeth, Edmund, and George) m. Anna d’Este (b. 1531, d. 1607) in 1548, had issue​

1) Henry IX Tudor, King of England (b. 1550)​

2) Catherine Tudor (b. 1552)​

3) Edmund Tudor, Duke of Clarence (b. 1554)​

4) Thomas Tudor, Duke of Bedford (b. 1555)​

5) George Tudor, Duke of Exeter (b. 1557, d. 1560)​

6) William Tudor, Duke of Somerset (b. 1559, d. 1573)​

7) Jasper Tudor, Duke of St Albans (b. 1562, d. 1568)​

2b) Elizabeth Tudor, Queen of Sweden (b. 1533, d. 1603; quadruplet of Edward, Edmund, and George) m. Erik XIV Vasa, King of Sweden (b. 1533, r. 1560-1569, d. 1577) in 1553, had issue​

1) Gustav Vasa of Sweden (b. and d. 1554)​

2) Anna Vasa of Sweden (b. 1557, d. 1569; twin of Catherine)​

3) Catherine Vasa of Sweden, Crown Princess of Denmark (b. 1557; twin of Anna) m. John, Crown Prince of Denmark (b. 1555, d. 1583) [1] in 1571, had issue​

4) Henrik Vasa, Crown Prince of Sweden (b. 1562, d. 1565)​

3b) Edmund Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1533, d. 1592; quadruplet of Edward, Elizabeth, and George) m. Lady Anne Hamilton (b. 1535, d. 1591) in 1558, had issue​

1) Lady Jane Tudor (b. 1560)​

2) George Tudor, earl of Cambridge (b. 1562)​

3) Alexander Tudor, earl of March (b. 1565)​

4) William Tudor, earl of Rutland (b. 1567)​

Ill.) Alastair FitzYork (b. 1558; by Marjorie Sutton)​

4b) George Tudor, Duke of Lancaster and King Consort of Navarre (b. 1533, d. 1562; quadruplet of Edward, Elizabeth, and Edmund) m. Jeanne III, Queen of Navarre (b. 1528, r. 1555-1572, d. 1572) in 1548, had issue​

1) Henry Tudor of Navarre, Duke of Beaumont (b. 1551, d. 1553)​

2) Henry III Tudor, King of Navarre (b. 1553)​

3) Charles Tudor of Navarre, Count of Marle (b. 1555, d. 1557)​

4) Marguerite Tudor of Navarre (b. and d. 1556)​

5) Anne Tudor of Navarre, Hereditary Princess of Lorraine (b. 1559)​

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[1] TTL son of Frederick II, King of Denmark and Catherine of Brunswick-Lüneburg (b. 1534, OTL Burgrave of Bohemia) ​

 

[Jonathan]

Yeah, no way are they marrying a Princess Royal to a Catholic - especially a Coburg (William IV hated the Coburgs because of the duchess of Kent IIRC) one - when her brothers aren't even married yet. OTL, they considered the match between Pedro V and Alice, never Vicky. Here, with fewer sons, I doubt that the match will even make it past consideration.

Think you'd be about a century and a half early for same-sex marriages to be recognized. If Augusta should be August, then Luise's older sister, Marie, seems more likely. But, Addy of Prussia (OTL Duchess of Mecklenburg) was also considered for Bertie as well as the duke of Cambridge. She was rich, which for a third son will go a long way.

My bad, yes it was meant to be Augustus, named after Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, William V's favourite uncle.

Meiningen seems a touch low. Doesn't really have the ties to make such a match worthwhile. Wilhelm II of Württemberg was pushed as a match (by his mom and aunt, the queen of the Netherlands) for Princess Beatrice OTL, think he'd make a more likely match than Meiningen. Württemberg's at least got a crown.

Brilliant, I'll change this.

Whoa! What's with the Danish invasion of St. Petersburg? Three matches in one decade? Nope.

TTL Nixa to Alix, yes. TTL Maria Alexandrovna to Frittie, yes.
Also, names like Ekaterina and Elizabeth were either considered "unlucky" (Alix of Hesse wanted to be Ekaterina Feodorovna, Nikolai II advised her against it for the associations with Catherine the Great; and Nikolai I's niece, Elizabeth "Lili" Mikhailovna had died two-three years before that in childbirth; not to mention that Elizabeth Nikolaïevna (daughter of Nikolai I) had died in childbirth, Elizabeth Alexeïevna (née Luise of Baden) was childless, Elizabeth Petrovna had had no children...you see where this is going, I hope).
TTL Alexander Alexandrovich will likely marry Tina of Oldenburg (as was proposed OTL for both OTL Nixa and OTL AIII),
Who is the Charlotte of Prussia that Alexei Alexandrovich will marry? You've butterflied away her mom by marrying Drina of Kent to Alexander II, so her dad likely marries a Russian grand duchess as Wilhelm I and Friedrich Wilhelm IV both wanted. And a fourth son of the Russian emperor certainly seems like a stepdown for the eldest daughter of the king of Prussia

IOTL, these are the three marriages of Alexander II's children to the Danish and Greek throne:
- Nicholas Alexandrovich, Tsesarevich of Russia (20 September 1843 – 24 April 1865), engaged to Princess Dagmar of Denmark
- Emperor Alexander III (10 March 1845 – 1 November 1894) he married in 1866, Princess Dagmar of Denmark
- Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich of Russia (3 October 1860 – 24 January 1919) he married in 1889, Princess Alexandra of Greece and Denmark
Alexander II married his niece, Grand Duchess Olga Constantinovna of Russia in 1867, to George I of Greece (brother of Dagmar and father of Alexandra of Greece and Denmark) The match was chosen by Tsar Alexander II for his support during George's election to the throne of Greece.

Charlotte of Prussia would be an alternative daughter of Prince Albert of Prussia (1837–1906), whose grandmother, Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna of Russia was daughter, of Paul I of Russia.
Charlotte would be similar to Princess Luise Margarete Alexandra Victoria Agnes of Prussia

Her cousin, Louise Margaret of Prussia (25 July 1860 – 14 March 1917) is the TTL daughter of Prince Albert of Prussia (1837–1906), who himself is a descendant of Anne, Princess Royal, on his mother side.
Albert in this TL married in 1859, Princess Marie of the Netherlands (5 June 1841 – 22 June 1910), daughter of Prince Frederick of the Netherlands (1797–1881) and his wife, Princess Louise of Prussia (1808–1870)

Also, with Leopold of Coburg not wanting to hang around in England - if his niece isn't going to be queen, likely he takes the first best offer of a crown to him (namely, Greece). Leopold was a cannier politician than Othon of Bavaria, so while I'm not sure if he's canny enough for Greece, he can probably avoid being deposed (he'd probably also avoid a match with Amalie of Oldenburg - who suffered from Müllerian agenesis - his sister is at the Württemberger court, so likely a match with Marie of Württemberg works better that Othon's attempts OTL).

Would Leopold suffer the same fate of Otto of Wittelsbach?

Two quick questions for this timeline:
[1] Why is the Princess Royal marrying a Catholic? At the time of her marriage, she's probably in the top 5 for the line of succession and at a point when Catholic emancipation was less than 30 years prior. People were raising a fit when Princess Beatrice's daughter, Ena, married the King of Spain and she wasn't even a British Princess. I just can't see it.

I chose Catholic Portugal as a match because of these facts:
- Portugal and Britain's long standing alliance
- Pedro is already wearing the crown and has been king since the age of 16.
- OTL Princess Royal was married to Frederick while her brothers were single and aged 17, 14, 8 and 5. Her son could have been

[2] Who is Charlotte of Prussia here? If we're referring to Friedrich III's daughter by Vicky, then she's been butterflied away with Victoria heading to St.Petersburg and Vicky never being born

As stated above "Charlotte of Prussia would be an alternative daughter of Prince Friedrich Karl of Prussia (1828–1885), whose grandmother, Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna of Russia was daughter, of Paul I of Russia.
Charlotte would be similar to Princess Luise Margarete Alexandra Victoria Agnes of Prussia"

As for the British girls, if Frederick VIII doesn't marry Louise of Sweden (which was very popular in Denmark) he likely makes a play for one of the British girls as having three of the Danish siblings (Alexandra/George I of Greece/Frederick) marry Russians is overkill. George I needs to marry a Russian, but only one of Alexandra/Frederick needs to join him. IOTL Frederick wanted to marry Louise of the UK but Victoria said no because she didn't want another Danish match and had no desire to let her daughter move out of Britain. The most sensible is to have Bernhard marry Charlotte (who is his age) freeing up Elisabeth for Frederick. As for Georgina, a possible match is the Grand Duke of Baden.

So instead of Pedro, Princess Royal is better matched with Frederick VIII. Would Louise of Sweden marry the second russian son or second british son?

For the Russians, I can see one of the girls ending up with Fritz (the future Friedrich III). IOTL he ended up with Vicky, much to the displeasure of the Anglophobic court. Here, with an attractive Russian option, they likely go that way (someone like Adelaide of the UK might be offered, but I don't know if she sticks). There's also the future King of Wurttemberg, who's aunt by marriage is Nicholas I's daughter.

So Frederick of Prussia marries a Maria instead of her marrying Frederick of Denmark.

 

[WillVictoria]

I chose Catholic Portugal as a match because of these facts:
- Portugal and Britain's long standing alliance
- Pedro is already wearing the crown and has been king since the age of 16.
- OTL Princess Royal was married to Frederick while her brothers were single and aged 17, 14, 8 and 5. Her son could have been

Yes, but in this scenario a) there's two extra brothers between her and the throne and b) her husband (and the future monarch) would be German Lutherans, while in this scenario Adelaide and her kids are out of the line of succession.

Add to this fact that no British Princess has married a Catholic since Henrietta Anne Stuart (and no Prince has married a Catholic Princess unless you count marriages like George IV to Maria FitzHerbert). IOTL the only princess who would post Henrietta Anne was Victoria's granddaughter, Beatrice of SCG who, by that point, was between 26th and 28th in the line of succession and a year off from becoming just a cousin to the King. [1] This is not a comparable situation.

So instead of Pedro, Princess Royal is better matched with Frederick VIII. Would Louise of Sweden marry the second russian son or second british son?

Carl will want Louise to be matched with an heir but ultimately with someone she likes. If she decides she doesn't want to marry Frederick ITTL then unless she falls hopelessly in love with a second son you start looking among the German royals. I could see her with someone like the fabulously wealthy future Grand Duke of Mecklenburg Strelitz or making a play for the future King of Wurttemburg.

[1] Attatched is the rough line of succession as of 1909 (the year Beatrice got married) the fluctuation is due to whether you add in the two 1909 births

 

[kaiidth]

Philipp II of Spain, 21 May 1527 - 13 September 1598

Reign	16 January 1556 - 13 September 1598

Predecessor	Charles I
Successor	Felipe III

Spouse

(1) Maria Manuela of Portugal (15 October 1527 - 12 July 1545) married 12 November 1543 (2) Maria of Portugal, Duchess of Viseu (18 June 1521 – 11 December 1551) married 3 February 1548 (3) Mary I, Queen of England (18 February 1516 - 17 November 1558) married 25 July 1554 (4) Elizabeth of Valois (2 April 1545 - 12 August 1566) married 22 June 1559 (5) Anna of Austria (2 November 1549 - 13 April 1578) married 4 May 1570 (6) Maximiliana Maria of Bavaria (4 July 1552 - 11 July 1614) married 6 June 1580

By (1), Carlos, Prince of Asturias	8 July 1545	died 8 October 1545	was a weak and illformed babe, nearly constantly feverish and died 3 months after his birth
By(2), Eleonora	15 November 1548	2 October 1600	had inherited her mother's title and ownership of Viseu, married 11 May 1566 Pietro de' Medici (10 August 1546-1599) Felipe born 1 October 1567 Maria born 13 May 1569 miscarriage 1571 Carlos Cosimo born 2 June 1573 Eleonor Maria born 5 April 1575 Stillborn girl 1577 Francesco born 8 November 1578 Stillborn Twin boys 1580
By(2), Stillborn son	December 1550
By(2), Ferdinand	11 December 1551	died 7 August 1557
By(3), No issue			Queen Mary of England thought herself to be pregnant in her first year of marriage but instead it was a steadily growing illness to which she finally succumbed
By(4), miscarriage of Twin girls	summer 1562
By (4), Charles	15 June 1563	23 July 1564	died of fever
By(4), Isabella Clara Eugenia AND Catherine Michelle, Twin girls	1 June 1566	1 December 1633 died Isabella Clara Eugenia ................... 6 November 1597 died Catherine Michelle	Isabella Clara Eugenia married 1599 to Albert VII, Archduke of Ausrria till his death 1621, They had no children ...................... Catherine Michelle married 1584 to Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy Philip Emmanuel, Prince of Piedmont (1586–1605) Victor Amadeus (1587–1637)[3] Emanuel Filibert of Savoy, (1588–1624), Spanish Viceroy of Sicily, (1622–24).[3] Margaret (1589–1655), married Francesco IV Gonzaga of Mantua Isabella (1591–1626), married Alfonso III d'Este, duke of Modena Maurice, a cardinal (1593–1657) Maria Apollonia, a nun in Rome (1594–1656) Francesca Caterina, a nun in Biella (1595–1640) Thomas Francis, Prince of Carignano (1596–1656), Founder of the House of Savoy-Carignano and ancestor of the erstwhile ruling Family of Italy Giovanna (born 1597)
By(5), Ferdinand	4 December 1571	18 October 1578
By(5), Carlos Lorenzo	12 August 1573	30 June 1575
By(5), Diego	15 August 1575	21 November 1580
By (5) , Felipe	3 April 1578	31 March 1579
By (6), Triplett sons Felipe, Alberto Carlos, Joao	15 August 1581	Felipe III Dies 31 March 1631, Alberto Carlos dies Summer 1640 Joao dies 3 December 1666	Felipe marries 1599 Margaret of Austria (1584-1611) -Anna (22 September 1601 – 20 January 1666), queen of France -stillborn girl 1603 -Philip (8 April 1605 – 17 September 1625) -Maria Anna(18 August 1606 – 13 May 1646), empress of the Holy Roman Empire -Charles II(14 September 1607 – 30 July 1642) -Ferdinand (16 May 1609 – 9 November 1651), Cardinal and Military commander -Margaret (24 May 1610 – 11 March 1637) -miscarriage 1611 ............................................. Alberto Carlos marries 1596 Joanna of Portugal (1577-1606) second daughter of Sebastiao I, King of Portugal -1598 Sebastiano -1600 Felipe -1603 Maria Joana -1605 stillbirth .............. Joao became Cardinal

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Catherine of Austria has kids with Sigismund Augustus (so in this TL its not Siggie's fault that his first two marriages were childless). Continuing Jagiellon dynasty means, among other effects, lack of Union of Lublin.

Katharina of Austria (1533-1571) m. a) Francesco III Gonzaga (1533-1550) b) Zygmunt II August (1520-1572), Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

1b) Zygmunt III Ferdynand (1554-1588), Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1572, m. Elisabeth of Austria (1554-1592)

2b) Jadwiga (1556-1608) m. Johan III (1537-1592) King of Sweden

3b) Anna (1557-1531) m. Albrecht Friedrich (1553-1618) Duke of Prussia

4b) Władysław (1559)

5b) Elżbieta (1561-1603) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tirol

6b) Władysław (1563-1574)

7b) Kazimierz (1565-1569)

8b) Aleksander II (1568-1633) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1588, m. Maria Anna of Bavaria (1574-1616)

 

[Rose’s War]

If the wardship of Margaret Beaufort had been given to Richard, Duke of York rather than Edmund Tudor. They are married in 1457 at 14 and 15 respectively, but with Margaret Beaufort not having any children until she is 16 there is no lasting effect on her fertility.

Edward IV m. Margaret Beaufort, Duchess of Somerset {title awarded during Edward’s reign, after the execution of her cousin Henry, Duke of Somerset}

{1} Edward, Prince of Wales {later Edward V} [1459-] m. Mary of Burgundy
{2} John, Duke of York [1462-65]
{3} Margaret of York [1465-] m. John, King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden
{4} Cecily of York [1466-] m. Charles VIII of France
{married after the French defeat as a result of the 1478 Anglo-Burgundian-Breton alliance]
{5} stillborn girl [1468] - led to intense fasting that resulted in five years of no progeny
{6} Lionel, Duke of York {later Lionel, Duke of Brittany and York} [1473-] m. Anne of Brittany
{7} Edmund, Duke of Bedford [later Edmund, Duke of Bedford and Somerset; Earl of Norfolk] [1474-] m. Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk
{8} Anne of York [1476-] m. Juan, Prince of Austrias
{9} Eleanor of York [1479-] m. James IV of Scotland

 

[FalconHonour]

If the wardship of Margaret Beaufort had been given to Richard, Duke of York rather than Edmund Tudor. They are married in 1457 at 14 and 15 respectively, but with Margaret Beaufort not having any children until she is 16 there is no lasting effect on her fertility.

Edward IV m. Margaret Beaufort, Duchess of Somerset {title awarded during Edward’s reign, after the execution of her cousin Henry, Duke of Somerset}

{1} Edward, Prince of Wales {later Edward V} [1459-] m. Mary of Burgundy
{2} John, Duke of York [1462-65]
{3} Margaret of York [1465-] m. John, King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden
{4} Cecily of York [1466-] m. Charles VIII of France
{married after the French defeat as a result of the 1478 Anglo-Burgundian-Breton alliance]
{5} stillborn girl [1468] - led to intense fasting that resulted in five years of no progeny
{6} Lionel, Duke of York {later Lionel, Duke of Brittany and York} [1473-] m. Anne of Brittany
{7} Edmund, Duke of Bedford [later Edmund, Duke of Bedford and Somerset; Earl of Norfolk] [1474-] m. Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk
{8} Anne of York [1476-] m. Juan, Prince of Austrias
{9} Eleanor of York [1479-] m. James IV of Scotland

I love this! I'd love to see this done as a full TL.

Please? Pretty Please?