List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

VVD0D95

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Scenario: Surviving Henry Brandon, Earl of Lincoln, unmarried as of Edward VI's death, is his chosen successor over Jane Grey. He married the Lady Elizabeth and ascends to the English throne.

Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1532) m. Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1515) (a), Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1484: d.1545) (b)

1b) Henry Brandon (b.1516: d.1522)​
2b) Frances Brandon (b.1517: d.1559) m. Henry Grey, Duke of Suffolk (b.1517: d.1563) (a)​
1a) Jane Grey (b.1537: d.1599) m. Mangus, Duke of Holsetin (b.1540: d.1583) (a)​
1a) Marie of Oldenburg (b.1552)​
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1555)​
3a) Elizabeth of Oldenburg (b.1556: d.1570)​
4a) Mangus of Oldenburg (b.1560: d.1561)​
2a) Katherine Grey (b.1540: d.1575) m. Henry Herbert, Earl of Pembroke (c.1539: d.1601) (a)​
1a) Henry Herbert (b.1556)​
2a) John Herbert (b.1558)​
3a) Frances Herbert (b.1559)​
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1560)​
5a) Elizabeth Herbert (b.1562)​
6a) Thomas Herbert (b.1564)​
7a) Margaret Herbert (b.1567)​
8a) Stillborn Son (c.1568)​
9a) George Herbert (b.1571)​
10a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1572)​
11a) Catherine Herbert (b.1574)​
3a) Mary Grey (b.1545: d.1578) m. Thomas Keyes (c.1524: d.1571) (a)​
3b) Eleanor Brandon (b.1519: d.1547) m. Henry Clifford, Earl of Cumberland (b.1517: d.1570) (a)​
1a) Margaret Clifford (b.1540: d.1596) m. Henry Stanley, Earl of Derby (b.1531: d.1593) (a)​
1a) Edward Stanley (c.1558)​
2a) Ferdinando Stanley (b.1559)​
3a) William Stanley (b.1561)​
4a) Frances Stanley (b.1562: d.1562)​
2a) Henry Clifford (c.1545)​
3a) Charles Clifford (c.1545)​
4b) Henry IX, King of England and Ireland (b.1523: d.1587) m. Elizabeth Tudor (b.1533: d.1603) (a)​
1a) Edward Brandon, Prince of Wales (b.1554)​
2a) Margaret Brandon, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1555)​
3a) Charles Brandon, Duke of York (b.1556)​
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1557)​
5a) Elizabeth Brandon, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1559)​
6a) Henry Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1563: d.1580)​
7a) Stillborn Son (c.1564)​
8a) Edmund Brandon, Duke of Gloucester (b.1567)​
Do you mind if I nab this for later use?
 
Scenario: Surviving Henry Brandon, Earl of Lincoln, unmarried as of Edward VI's death, is his chosen successor over Jane Grey. He married the Lady Elizabeth and ascends to the English throne.

Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1532) m. Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1515) (a), Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1484: d.1545) (b)

1b) Henry Brandon (b.1516: d.1522)​
2b) Frances Brandon (b.1517: d.1559) m. Henry Grey, Duke of Suffolk (b.1517: d.1563) (a)​
1a) Jane Grey (b.1537: d.1599) m. Magnus, Duke of Holstein (b.1540: d.1583) (a)​
1a) Marie of Oldenburg (b.1552)​
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1555)​
3a) Elizabeth of Oldenburg (b.1556: d.1570)​
4a) Mangus of Oldenburg (b.1560: d.1561)​
2a) Katherine Grey (b.1540: d.1575) m. Henry Herbert, Earl of Pembroke (c.1539: d.1601) (a)​
1a) Henry Herbert (b.1556)​
2a) John Herbert (b.1558)​
3a) Frances Herbert (b.1559)​
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1560)​
5a) Elizabeth Herbert (b.1562)​
6a) Thomas Herbert (b.1564)​
7a) Margaret Herbert (b.1567)​
8a) Stillborn Son (c.1568)​
9a) George Herbert (b.1571)​
10a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1572)​
11a) Catherine Herbert (b.1574)​
3a) Mary Grey (b.1545: d.1578) m. Thomas Keyes (c.1524: d.1571) (a)​
3b) Eleanor Brandon (b.1519: d.1547) m. Henry Clifford, Earl of Cumberland (b.1517: d.1570) (a)​
1a) Margaret Clifford (b.1540: d.1596) m. Henry Stanley, Earl of Derby (b.1531: d.1593) (a)​
1a) Edward Stanley (c.1558)​
2a) Ferdinando Stanley (b.1559)​
3a) William Stanley (b.1561)​
4a) Frances Stanley (b.1562: d.1562)​
2a) Henry Clifford (c.1545)​
3a) Charles Clifford (c.1545)​
4b) Henry IX, King of England and Ireland (b.1523: d.1587) m. Elizabeth Tudor (b.1533: d.1603) (a)​
1a) Edward Brandon, Prince of Wales (b.1554)​
2a) Margaret Brandon, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1555)​
3a) Charles Brandon, Duke of York (b.1556)​
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1557)​
5a) Elizabeth Brandon, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1559)​
6a) Henry Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1563: d.1580)​
7a) Stillborn Son (c.1564)​
8a) Edmund Brandon, Duke of Gloucester (b.1567)​
Well a surviving Henry Brandon would be without doubt Edward’s designed successor but I think he will be married to lady Elizabeth Tudor much before Edward’s death... Pretty likely who Lincoln or better Suffolk (as that title will be his, inherited from his father, so his brother-in-law will stay simply as Marquess of Dorset) would be also Edward VI’s Lord Protector instead of Hertford first (who I do not know if will become Duke of Somerset here) and Northumberland (who here will likely not receive more than the Warwick title) later.
In this situation I think who a match between Jane Grey and Edward Seymour is quite likely (or Jane Grey can marry the heir of Pembroke and Catherine Grey will marry Seymour‘s son). I would suggest you also to look again at how you have written the name of Jane Grey’s husband
 
Joao Manuel not marrying Juana of Spain (and choosing a protestant princess in her place) is pretty unlikely, Anna would work better as second wife for Philip II of Spain...
The title of the heir of Spain is Prince of Asturias (you have written it as Austrias, pretty easy mistake)

Thanks for pointing the ‘Asturias’ out :)

I suppose it is a little unlikely, but not entirely impossible as having four more Tudors does shift the 16th century marriage markets slightly and as they already had a tie with Spain via Maria Manuela of Portugal, so I thought João Manuel was the most likely Iberian match.
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Another idea I've had floating in my head for a while:

Pod: Edward of Middleham is born healthier

Richard III of England (b.1452: d.1500) m Anne Neville (b.1456: d.1490)

Issue:

Edward V of England (b.1473)

Cecily of Middleham (b.1475)

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Edward V of England (b.1473: d. 1520) m Joanna of Castile (b.1479)

Issue:

Richard IV of England (b.1497)

Anne of England (b.1499)

Joanna of England (b.1503: d.1504)

Edward of England (b.1505)

Elisabeth of England (b.1508)
 

krieger

Banned
Edward of England (b.1505)

Shouldn't this Edward of England become king Eduardo I of Castile (or rather is older brother would leave England to him, and become Ricardo I of Castile) or you do plan Juan/Isabella of Asturias to survive past OTL deaths and/or to leave an surviving issue?
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Shouldn't this Edward of England become king Eduardo I of Castile (or rather is older brother would leave England to him, and become Ricardo I of Castile) or you do plan Juan/Isabella of Asturias to survive past OTL deaths and/or to leave an surviving issue?

Currently not sure, debating having Juan surviving and having some kids. Also is Juana a more viable marriage than Anne of Brittany?

@isabella @Kellan Sullivan
 

VVD0D95

Banned
If I am allowed to have a say, she's definitely more viable in the sense that no French army can force Catholic kings to break the betrothal, as it did with Brittany.

This is very true, and she would probably have a happier time in England than she did with Phil :)
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Another timeline idea I'm considering:

Alexander III of Scotland (b.1241: d.1303) m Margaret of England (b.1240: d.1275)

Issue:

Margaret of Scotland (b.1261) m Eric II of Norway

Alexander, Prince of Scotland (b.1264: d.1288) m Margaret of Flanders (b.1272)

David of Scotland (b.1272: d.1281)

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Alexander, Prince of Scotland (b.1264: d.1288) m Margaret of Flanders (b.1272)

Issue:

Alexander IV of Scotland (b.1288)

Margaret of Scotland (b.1289)

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Alexander IV of Scotland (b.1288: d.1338) m Matilda of Flanders (b.1288)

Issue:

Margaret of Scotland (b.1305)

Alexander V of Scotland (b.1307)

David of Scotland (b.1309)

Eleanor of Scotland (b.1311)
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Alexander V of Scotland (b.1307: d. 1360) m Eleanor of England (b.1306)

Issue:

Alexander VI of Scotland (b.1325) m Isabella of England (b.1332)
 
Got bored ...

George III of Great Britain, b. 1738, r. 1760 to 1792 (abdication), d. 1820, m. Charlotte of Mecklenburg Strelitz
1. George IV of Great Britain, b. 1762, r. 1792 (hung) to 1795, never married (i)​
2. Frederick I, Emperor of the British Isles, b. 1763, r. 1814 to 1824 (takes title from Emperor Horatio I of the House of Nelson), m. Frederica Charlotte of Prussia, no issue (ii)​
3. William I, Emperor of the British Isles, b. 1765, r. 1824 to 1830 (abdication), d. 1837, m. Dorothea Jordan (iii)​
a) George IV, Emperor Claimant of the British Isles, b. 1794, r. 1837 to 1842​
1. William II, Emperor Claimant of the British Isles, b. 1824, r. 1842 to 1901, briefly made Emperor of the British Isles for 100 Days in 1870, before being forced to abdicate​
a) Geoffrey I, Emperor Claimant of the British Isles, b. 1859, 1901 to 1902​
b) Aubrey I, Emperor Claimant of the British Isles, b. 1862, r. 1902 to 1928​
c) Prince Harold of the British Isles, Duke of Clarence, b. 1870, d. 1926​
1. Geoffrey II, Emperor Claimant of the British Isles, b. 1906, r. 1928 to 1975​
William, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh, b. 1743, d 1805, m. Maria Walpole
1. William Frederick, King of the Britons (abdicates title of Emperor), b. 1776, r. 1830 to 1834, m. Princess Mary of Great Britain​
2. Sophia, Queen of the Britons, bm 1773, r. 1834 to 1844, never married​
Augusta Frederica of Great Britain, b. 1737, d. 1813, m. Charles II of Brunswick Wolfenbuttel
1. Frederick William of Brunswick Wolfenbuttel, b. 1771, d. 1815, m. Marie of Baden​
a) Charles Frederick, King of the Britons, b. 1804, r. 1834 to 1848 (abdicated), d. 1875​
b) William August, King Claimant of the Britons, b. 1806, r. 1875 to 1884​
2. Augusta Frederick, b. 1764, d. 1788, m. Frederick of Wurttemburg​
a) William Frederick, bm 1781, d. 1864​
1. Charles Frederick II, King Claimant of the Britons, b. 1823, r. 1884 to 1891​
2. Catherine, Queen Claimant of the Britons, b. 1821, r. 1891 to 1898​
a) William I, King Claimant of the Britons, b. 1848, r. 1898 to 1921​
1. Pauline I, Queen Claimant of the Britons, b. 1877, r. 1921 to 1965​
a. Herman, Prince Claimant of Wales, b. 1899, d. 1941​
1) Frederick William I, King Claimant of the Britons, b. 1931, r. 1965 to Present​
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Another one for you all:

POD: Henry VI dies from a stroke in 1454, after the birth of his son Edward of Westminster:

Henry VI of England (b.1421: d.1454) m Margaret of Anjou (b.1430)

Issue:

Edward IV of England (b.1453)

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Edward IV of England (b.1453: d. 1503) m Ursula of York (b.1455 : d.1499)

Issue:

Henry, Prince of Wales (b.1472: d.1477)

Margaret of England (b.1474)

Richard III (b.1475)

Cecily of England (b.1476: d.1479)

Edward, Duke of Clarence (b.1478)

Anne of England (b.1481)

Edmund, Duke of Bedford (b.1484)

Elizabeth of England (b.1487)
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Anne of Brittany is a pretty logical match for a lot of reasons, but a match with Juana has more chances to be effectively celebrated and is more useful for consolidating Richard’s crown.

Agreed there, which changes things for the Habsburgs quite a bit.
 
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