Keynes' Cruisers Volume 2

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by fester, Sep 13, 2018.

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  1. baldipaul Well-Known Member

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    They bombed our chippie you know.
     
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    The link below is mainly about post D-Day manpower shortages but it covers a lot of what's already been mentioned such as the RAF, industry and the effect of Special Forces.

    What surprised me most was Anti-Aircraft Command, which was kept more or less at full strength until the end of the V-1 raids.

    https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/en...44(c0538689-2c5f-4f46-bb37-44e40ea47486).html
     
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  3. fester Well-Known Member

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    Not an invention, just an explanation of how the French pilot worked himself out of a jam and into a kill.
     
  4. King Augeas Well-Known Member

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    From memory, part of the British manpower issue higher than expected infantry casualties in combat after D-Day, meaning that the pool of men allocated as infantry replacements was burnt through faster thane expected, causing some divisions to be broken up instead of requesting additional men from industry and the other arms.
     
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    If you consider the angst that was expended during the 30s regarding bombing of cities etc and this expected to be far more awful than it actually was (and it was pretty damned awful anyway) then it is no surprise that there were so many AAA units

    Towards the end of the ETO war some British units were disbanded - for example 50th TT Division with the longest serving members actually being demobbed - the next longer turned into a training cadre to train Royal Artillery troops into Infantry replacements and those with the least tenure were used as replacement troops or garrison troops.
     
  6. Crowbar Six Well-Known Member

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    My God, you must be as old as me!
     
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  7. Zheng He Well-Known Member

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    Along with what fester said, the single best piece of advice I can give is to not over think things and let your TL flow. In my TL I joke all of the time that I making it up as I go along but for the most part I am. I let the TL take me in the directions it wants to go.

    Also, listen to the good advice you get from the smart people on this forum. Yes this forum has a few trolls who may try to derail your TL but you will recognize them quickly and feel free to ignore. However, this forum also has a lot of really smart and well informed people who will make you think of things you never thought of. Listen to what they have to say, your TL will be better for it.
     
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    Leningrad, May 1, 1943

    There had been weeks when she had not fired a shot. She crawled, she compressed, she waited and she watched. This was not one of those weeks.

    Off to the south, the ground shook. Her veteran ear and her veteran fingers felt the air rent and the ground rumble. A tank army was slamming into a German panzer division. An artillery division was firing a week’s worth of shells in a morning. The German siege lines were being pressured by a potential relieving force. Already, at least one infantry battalion had been pulled back. Now she was waiting for the lines to thin out, and reserves to make themselves visible.

    Seven hundred meters away, a German captain swore. His company needed to expand their position to cover the left flank of the regiment. They were already on the edge of responsibility and had been loosely linked to the next regiment to the north. Now his frontage was being doubled as the bordering regiment was being pulled back into reserve to replace a regiment in reserve that was countering the current Red Army thrust. The division was sending a battle group from their reserves to fill the gap, but he needed to move. He looked at his men and closed his eyes for a moment as he took in the readiness of each of sub-officers. Heinrich and his men could move from reserve to the new positions.

    She watched the segment of the trenches and strong points. Here and there elements of helmets came over the dirt lips before re-submerging. A private was not worth a shot, at least not now. In the middle of battle, a machine gunner could be worth her exposure. She waited as her spotter cataloged the moments.

    And then there was movement. A helmet popped up at the end of a communication trench. And then another, and another. Almost forty men were soon movement, dashing from cover to cover. The officer in charge was in front and alert. He had to be the target instead of the under-officers. The incompetent, young, and glory seeking officers weren’t her priority targets, they could be far more effective at getting their units killed if they lived. She brought the rifle to readiness and then waited for the wind to steady. Soon he would enter the sight picture, and she had to guess where he would be as he stopped and staggered in an anti-sniper weave. Finally, she was sure, and then her fingers took on a life of their own as the trigger went past the action point and a bullet left the barrel of her rifle.

    Tatianna could not look, she did not look. Instead she was crawling to a new position. A few seconds later, a machine gun started to fire. The string of German bullets was tightly clustered and close enough, twenty yards to the right and thirty yards short, to keep her moving. Mortars would soon be seeking her out.
     
  9. Curtain Jerker Well-Known Member

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    Seven hundred meters? That's a hell of a shot if she hit anything.
     
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    After the war there was an expansion of the UK university system which meant more service personnel had the opportunity to attend University and there was increased state funding. I think this was proposed in the 1944 Education Act.
     
  11. Crowbar Six Well-Known Member

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    That is probably outside the mechanical accuracy of the rifle. WW2 sniping rifles were better than service rifles but not that much better.
     
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  12. SwampTiger Well-Known Member

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    Long range shooting took off as a sport after the ACW with black powder weapons. A standard extreme range was 1000 yards. Don't doubt without research.

    Remember sharpshooter came from the Sharps rifle.
     
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  13. fester Well-Known Member

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    It is a hell of a shot --- but within the mechanical accuracy of both the Mosin-Nagant (at the edge of possible) and Tokorev M1940 (well within range)

    And we don't know if she hit her target. She is displacing from the expected and very competent counter-sniper reaction.
     
  14. Draconis Emperor of the North Pole.

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    Is there anything major happening in Thailand? And along the Thai-Indochina border?
     
  15. Killer in Well-Known Member

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    Even a near miss will rattle a veteran, provided of course he realises he's been targeted.
     
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    Might slow the unit as much as a stonk would!
     
  17. Mike D Well-Known Member

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    True but as far as I'm aware (I'm more than willing to be corrected because I'm certainly no expert on the 1940s university system in the UK) there was none of the financial assistance that came with the GI Bill (which included things like cheap mortgages and business loans along with the education benefits) so a serviceman leaving the forces would have had his demob suit, whatever back pay he'd been due and a vague promise they'd get their old job back if the company still existed so for many (especially those with a family) university would have been completely out of the question financially.
     
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  18. mudhead Little-Known Member

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    Some feats recorded in Avenging Angels, op cit:

    - Anya Mulatova & Tanya Pegeshova got hits (a kill and a WIA) near Orsha in March '44 at about 600 metres. (p104-106)
    - "...on 28 January 1945 [Lida Bakieva] crawled out on to no-man's land. The Germans were about 600 metres away, too far for targeted shooting. She went another 50 metres...she saw a German in a peaked cap, an officer. After she shot he sank down..."(p197-98)

    Also:
    p117:... "a German sniper, using dumdum bullets (which were designed to explode inside the body of the victim - the girls used this ammunition themselves)

    The book's very good, and very honest. But there's little about distances involved, though the Moisin-Nagant with scope was certainly capable of killing at 700 metres in the hands of a competent woman, or even a man.

    Found a decent piece on the NRA site: extract below -
    More info:
    Source
     
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  19. jlckansas Well-Known Member

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    Having had more than one M N rifle if you were to have a competent gunsmith work the rifle over, or in this case depot or manufactures shop, it can be really accurate. Remember there is the off the shelf weapon and then there is the tuned weapon. Evan a K98 or 06 Springfield might be only good to 4 or 500 meters, but work it over you could do 1k with the right scope. Remember this is specialty weapon in her hands.
     
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  20. Killer in Well-Known Member

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    Most of the WW2 rifles were around 4MOA with I know for a fact the British No4 snipers were 2.5 MOA and though I don't have the figures to hand the good Mosin Snipers were in that ball park too. Also Germany didn't seem to take snipers seriously until too late in the war as they generally just mounted scopes to rifles without seriously trying to find inheritly accurate K98Ks.
     
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