Det som går ned må komme opp-An Alternate Royal Norwegian Navy TL

Chapter XVII
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Chapter XVII: Neutrality and the Altmark

Some 37 Norwegian merchant vessels were sunk while the country was still neutral. The number could’ve been higher had the Navy not ordered ships to hug the coast as much as possible, and sent its destroyers to escort incoming merchants, while securing fjords with smaller patrol craft. Northrop N-3PB floatplanes kept an eye on Norway’s waters, notifying the Navy when new merchant vessels entered Norway’s waters.

When the Soviet Union invaded Finland on 30 November, 1939, Norway, like much of the rest of the world, was sympathetic to the Finns. As it became clear that the Red Army was having a tough time against the Finns, volunteers from many countries, mostly Scandinavian, began to make their way to Finland. Active military personnel were not permitted to go to Finland, but over 700 Norwegians would eventually volunteer. Finnish refugees were accepted in Finnmark county as the Red Army advanced to their homes, and the Royal Norwegian Army strength on the Finnish border was increased. Fundraisers were conducted, raising money and guns for the Finnish war effort, among other things, and more and more volunteers began to go to Finland. A dozen of the older 7.5cm guns that had been the Army’s main artillery piece until 1935 were covertly transferred to the grateful Finns, while Norway allowed aircraft heading for Finland to use Sola Air Station as a base. However, the real highlight of Norway’s neutrality was the Altmark incident.

15 February, 1940
Near Bergen

Altmark’s Chief Engineer was staring worriedly at the gauges on his beautiful engines. Most were red-lining, as Altmark’s engines strained to get her to Norwegian waters before the British destroyer overtook her. Altmark was theoretically capable of 22 knots with her engines pushed, but with the wear from being at sea for months, he doubted she could go over 20. If the ship managed to get into Norway’s territorial waters and convinced the Norwegians to allow her to go to Bergen, the ship would be safe. If the Norwegians figured out that the ship had hundreds of prisoners onboard, or that she had some 3.7cm anti-aircraft guns, they would probably deny her entrance, and she would be captured.


On the bridge, Heinrich Dau watched as the British destroyer’s silhouette slowly grew. The destroyer was probably doing over 30 knots, but was still at least 15 kilometers out. Altmark was only about 5 kilometers from Norwegian territorial waters where, he was sure, the Norwegians would protect a civilian ship. Altmark’s guns were disguised, and every effort was being made to make sure that the prisoners had no clue about what was going on, so that they couldn’t alert an inspection committee. A plan had been set up to make sure that an inspection party would think that Altmark was just a German merchant tanker, and nothing else. He smiled as he saw a floatplane approaching the ships. That meant that the Norwegians would send a force to protect him. Altmark was saved.


HNOMS Sleipner sliced across the North Sea at flank speed. She’d been escorting a pair of cargo ships, but a report of a German tanker being chased by a British destroyer called for a warship. Odin, which was south of Bergen on escort duty, was also coming, though she was a ways out, while Gyller was raising steam in Marineholm Naval Base. Commander Oliver Larsen hoped this would be an easily handled incident. Lookouts reported a merchant ship ahead. That would be the ship being pursued. The ship was at battle stations, with guns fully manned, and torpedo tubes ready to discharge their deadly fish

Sleipner closed on the German vessel, the name Altmark written on her bows. When they were close enough, Larsen keyed the megaphone. “Tanker Altmark, this is His Majesty’s Norwegian Ship Sleipner. Please identify yourself.”

A reply came from the Altmark, “Am Norddeutscher Lloyd Line tanker Altmark, pursued by British warship. Requesting escort to Bergen, inspections welcome.”

Larsen turned to his XO. “Seems legit,” he shrugged. “If the inspection turns up anything fishy, we’ll force her to leave immediately.”

“Sir!” a signalman burst onto the bridge, which, unlike those of British destroyers, was fully enclosed to help with the cold weather. “HMS Cossack, the ship after Altmark, says she is carrying prisoners from the Graf Spee!”

Everyone had heard about the Graf Spee’s demise at the River Plate, and if that were true, along with the German ship faking her identity, Larsen could make her leave. He decided on a compromise.

“XO, the water doesn’t seem too rough, does it?”

“No, sir. Calm day.”

“Okay. I want you to take a party to inspect that tanker over on the motor boat.” He turned to the signalman. “Signal Cossack to send a boat to conduct a joint inspection, tell that to Altmark as well. Tell Cossack that if Altmark is clean, she will be allowed to enter Norwegian waters, and she must back off.”

The XO was in the process of launching the boat when Cossack’s reply was received. “Captain Vian thanks you for your willingness to uphold your neutrality, a boat will be sent.” Larsen breathed a sigh of relief. Hopefully the tense situation could be resolved to everyone’s satisfaction.

The investigation turned up nothing. Dau had managed to keep his prisoners unaware of the situation, and routed the investigation to not inspect where they were. The respective boarding parties were on the forecastle, and from there they would proceed to their boats and leave (the British very unhappily), when a gust of wind caught a tarp covering some of the clutter there. A British seaman moved to catch the tarp, but stopped when he realized what he was looking at: a twin 3.7cm gun, concealed behind an inconspicuous disguise of tools and cargo. He gave a shout, and the British party began waving at Cossack to get Vian’s attention. Some British sailors quickly took down the disguise around the gun, pointing at it, while the rest of the British sailors began brawling with the Germans to keep the gun uncovered to get Cossack’s attention. Sleipner trained her guns on Altmark, while Odin appeared to the south.

Cossack gave a great puff of smoke as she surged forwards, her guns turning to track Altmark. Many of the brawling sailors, along with the Norwegians attempting to break up the fight, lost their balance as Altmark turned sharply to starboard, aiming to ram Cossack. Vian, seeing this, cut his speed, causing Altmark to miss him, and brought Cossack alongside Altmark, the port quad 0.5 inch machine gun raking the rear decks. The destroyer grazed Altmark’s side, armed British sailors and marines spilling over her gunwales. The one-sided battle was quickly won by the angry Brits, three of them waving cutlasses, and the boarders, along with the Norwegians, went below decks, quickly finding the 300 odd prisoners. A famous exchange took place when a sailor shouted “are there any Englishmen here?” and was met with a large number of yelled confirmations. He replied, “well, the Navy’s here!” and was met with cheers.

A tense situation had developed. The British had attacked Altmark, which, though now revealed to be a combatant, was in neutral waters, and the Norwegians had not given the British approval to take control of the tanker. With 2(soon 3) destroyers, Larsen also had a large enough force to defeat Cossack if it came to that. An agreement was eventually reached that the British were allowed to keep the liberated prisoners, but the Norwegians would intern Altmark and her crew. In early March, as part of the Norwegian government’s appeasement to Germany to stop her from invading, Altmark and her crew were allowed to return to Germany.


The Altmark Incident was an important morale boost for the British in the midst of the Phoney War, and the crew of Cossack were met with a hero’s welcome when they docked at Leith. The ship was immortalized in a painting entitled ‘The Royal Navy’s Last Cutlass Action,’ showing the sailors, led by men with cutlasses, jumping aboard Altmark as Cossack draws alongside, guns blazing. Several medals were awarded, and nearly everyone in the United Kingdom and France knew of the battle within the week.

Adolf Hitler was enraged that the Norwegians hadn’t enforced their neutrality, and the Altmark Incident pushed him into a frenzy. He ordered Operation Weserübung to be conducted on April 9, and any chance of the invasion not happening was squashed. Fitting out ships for the invasion was continued at a quickened pace, and plans were soon finalized for invading Norway and Denmark.

Kommander Larsen expected to be reprimanded for his failing to stop Cossack from boarding Altmark, but all Kontreadmiral Tank-Nielsen did was tell him to carry out his own inspection next time. Privately, the higher-ups felt that Larsen had done an okay job-after all, there were British prisoners aboard the Altmark, which turned out to be armed, and going out of her way to sail through Norwegian waters. Larsen had managed to get the British to chill-if he’d found nothing in an only Norwegian inspection, they may have done what they did anyway and board Altmark. Cossack approached Altmark from the side opposite Sleipner, so Larsen couldn’t have fired effectively, and it happened extremely fast, so it was okay he hadn’t been able to get between the ships. The British got what they wanted, and had been given fair cooperation by the Norwegians, but not a free hand, so Norway’s neutrality would still be taken seriously by them. Altmark and her crew were returned to Germany, but as she was armed and carrying prisoners, the Germans didn’t (publicly) complain too much. But privately, they were planning to do much more than just complain.
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Somehow I'm rather convinced that the German navy will be getting even less ships intact out of the Norwegian Campaign than otl, and I'm not certain the Germans can actually take Norway...of course the biggest problem once any landings are repelled is the aerial threat which won't be fixed until at least early 1941
 
Chapter XVIII
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Chapter XVIII: Invasion?

Johan was concerned that the Navy and Army he had worked so hard to modernize a decade before would actually need to be used in the next few months. The Swedish had covertly shared the speculation that the Germans were building up forces for an invasion of a Scandinavian country with Norwegian intelligence, though this hadn’t really gotten off the ground. The higher-ups in intelligence had informed the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defence that some sources seemed to confirm their fears. But, at the same time, Norway and Germany had normal relations, and it was believed that if Germany interfered, it would only be in response to a British invasion. The British were respecting Norwegian neutrality more after the Altmark Incident, which, to them, showed that Norway wasn’t trying to get close to Germany, and wanted to stay neutral. Johan really hoped this was right. The Prime Minister sure thought so.

Johan rubbed his face, and looked out his office window, out at the lights of Oslo, and the Oslofjord. Downfjord, he knew, the heavy guns of Oscarsborg Fortress stood guard to the seaward approaches to Oslo, and further south, the RNN ships based in Horten. It was 23:21 on 7 April, 1940. In two days, he would be 53, and could hopefully get away from the office for some time with his family. Johan knew it was late, and gathered a few papers to bring home. He was about to take his coat and leave, when there was a knock on his door.

“Come in,” Johan called.

The door opened, revealing Carl Hambro, who had served as Prime Minister of Norway from 1930-1933, and was now President of Storting, as well as Chair of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs. Hambro, a personal friend of Johan’s, as well as the Johan who was Prime Minister, had been another leading proponent of the ‘Modernization Movement.’

“Those reports keeping you up late stressing too?” Hambro asked.

“Yeah. Nygaardsvold sure doesn’t believe them.”

“I agree, it’d be nice if he would recognize how strategically important our country is, but he’s trying to keep us out of the war, which is better than fighting a war. He is doing what he believes is best for the country, as we are. He has listened, to an extent, by allowing us to mobilize the armed forces to three-quarters of their strength.”

“I guess you’re right, maybe I do think a bit more negatively of him than he deserves. I just wish he’d put the armed forces on a higher state of alert than they are-mobilizing all of those men will be useless if they don’t know to shoot back!”

“The commanders of our forces have a bit more freedom than they did ten years ago. If there are warships coming up the fjord, they’ll shoot. Johan, I think it’s time for us old men to turn in.”

“Yeah, you’re right. See you tomorrow, Carl.” They shook hands.

Kristiansand
Oscar Pedersen looked down at the fo’castle of his command from the bridge, his nose wrinkled. He was not a young man, having had retired from the Navy in 1930, his last command being the Battleship Norge, the guns of which were guarding some fjord or another. Now, he was in command of the minesweeper Senja. Pedersen had known he wouldn’t get the best of ships when he’d been called out of retirement as part of the mobilization, but he was now in charge of a tiny minesweeper armed with a 3-pounder and two machine guns. If anyone got past the coastal guns, Senja wouldn’t be able to stop them. Pedersen shook his head at how much of a downgrade this tiny ship, though more modern, was from Norge.
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Driftless

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At least they're awake and partially mobilized. That's a very big and useful step, compared to our history. What form has the mobilization taken? Reservists in route to their armories? Arsenals open and equipment being readied? Some troops in the field? Coastal forts being manned?

You've written that a former Naval commander has been recalled to service and is in command of a ship. That sounds like the navy is at least partly ready to roll.

It does sound as though there is still some political division of thought on what constitutes the proverbial "line in the sand", where recourse to war becomes fact. The navy can shoot at unwelcome foreign warships in Norwegian waters. but full mobilization to war footing is to be avoided?
 
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Driftless

Donor
I believe you alluded to closer neutrality inspections of foreign merchant ships coming into Norwegian ports. Does that mean there's less likelihood of the Germans having pre-invasion stashing of military hardware in the holds of ships in Norwegian harbors?
 
At least they're awake and partially mobilized. That's a very big and useful step, compared to our history. What form has the mobilization taken? Reservists in route to their armories? Arsenals open and equipment being readied? Some troops in the field? Coastal forts being manned?

You've written that a former Naval commander has been recalled to service and is in command of a ship. That sounds like the navy is at least partly ready to roll.

It does sound as though there is still some political division of thought on what constitutes the proverbial "line in the sand", where recourse to war becomes fact. The navy can shoot at unwelcome foreign warships in Norwegian waters. but full mobilization to war footing is to be avoided?
Sounds pretty significant with 3/4ths mobilization already occurring with reservists being deployed at sea at M-2 instead of the initiation of mobilization at M-1 for 2/3rds of the Norwegian army per OTL.

Give the Norwegians another day to continue to bring their forces to readiness and the Germans will be hitting a hornet's nest even before the RN shows up.
 

Driftless

Donor
Sounds pretty significant with 3/4ths mobilization already occurring with reservists being deployed at sea at M-2 instead of the initiation of mobilization at M-1 for 2/3rds of the Norwegian army per OTL.

Give the Norwegians another day to continue to bring their forces to readiness and the Germans will be hitting a hornet's nest even before the RN shows up.

Oh yes, to be sure, this should be a whole different first day, just on the basis of the substantial mobilization already underway.

Of the many thoughts, I can't wait for CV(6)-N to unroll, is what ships to the Norwegians have stationed up in Narvik, as well as Bergen, Trondheim, Stavanger, etc. Does Oberst Eriksen have enough gunners to reload his big guns at the Oscarborg? What's happening at the Horten Naval Station on Oslofjord?

Can't wait! :biggrin:
 
I believe you alluded to closer neutrality inspections of foreign merchant ships coming into Norwegian ports. Does that mean there's less likelihood of the Germans having pre-invasion stashing of military hardware in the holds of ships in Norwegian harbors?
Nope, that's still going as OTL. This isn't meant as a wank, the Germans need to have something going for them
At least they're awake and partially mobilized. That's a very big and useful step, compared to our history. What form has the mobilization taken? Reservists in route to their armories? Arsenals open and equipment being readied? Some troops in the field? Coastal forts being manned?
Most coastal forts are manned, but they aren't at full complement, most commanders have their heavier batteries(15cm+) fully manned instead of them and smaller guns partially manned. The Navy is pretty much fully operational, though some ships aren't fully manned. Regiments, which consist of 1 battalion of regulars and 2 of reserves, have one reserve battalion and one company of the second with the regiment, equipment is being made operational.
Of the many thoughts, I can't wait for CV(6)-N to unroll, is what ships to the Norwegians have stationed up in Narvik, as well as Bergen, Trondheim, Stavanger, etc. Does Oberst Eriksen have enough gunners to reload his big guns at the Oscarborg? What's happening at the Horten Naval Station on Oslofjord?
OOB for Germany and the Norwegians coming in the next few chapters
Give the Norwegians another day to continue to bring their forces to readiness and the Germans will be hitting a hornet's nest even before the RN shows up.
Assuming the Norwegians know they're Germans...
 
An excellent slew of updates! Lots to catch up on as well and now lots going on, and things are no doubt going to happen very quickly. And that, to quote Yes Minister is a 'bold decision' to try and get the Bismarck into service, even if she's not fully operational, she'll be fully armed. But i'd not want to take so large a ship into tight confines when people are slinging explosive stuff and danger pylons at me. With the armed forces at 3/4 manning that should mean the coast defences are at least fully manned.
 
Larsen also had a large enough force to defeat Cossack if it came to that.

Not sure about that. The Tribals were big, fast, heavily armed fleet destroyers, and RN destroyer captains.... well...

Vian's 2IC St. Vincent-Sherbrooke managed with 6 second-rate WEP destroyers (most with half their guns out with ice, frozen salt spray and other jamming) to hold off 6 German heavy fleet destroyers, the Panzerschiff Deutschland/Lutzow and the Admiral Hipper from a convoy. Ironically his adversery was Captain Kummetz of the Blücher.
 
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You've written that a former Naval commander has been recalled to service and is in command of a ship.
Pedersen was also captain of Norge when Johan Nilsen's voyage south aboard her was cut short in Chapter I and II
Not sure about that. The Tribals were big, fast, heavily armed fleet destroyers, and RN destroyer captains.... well...
Sleipner was within about 2,000 yards of Cossack, with Odin a bit further out, and Gyller in sight. Sleipner is the Flotilla Leader, and has 5 12cm guns and 8 53.3cm torpedoes, while Odin and Gyller are Alesund class with 4 12cm guns and 8 53.3cm torpedoes, Cossack is outgunned by the three DD's, if Sleipner can fire an 8 torpedo salvo from 2,000 yards, chances are she scores a hit, which would cripple Cossack, and 3 modern enough DD's against a large DD is good odds in favor of the 3 DD's if you consider a victory being the opponent sunk and 1 DD surviving.
An excellent slew of updates! Lots to catch up on as well and now lots going on, and things are no doubt going to happen very quickly. And that, to quote Yes Minister is a 'bold decision' to try and get the Bismarck into service, even if she's not fully operational, she'll be fully armed. But i'd not want to take so large a ship into tight confines when people are slinging explosive stuff and danger pylons at me. With the armed forces at 3/4 manning that should mean the coast defences are at least fully manned.
Thanks! Bismarck's purpose is going to be to help even the odds with the RN, since the only 40,000 ton capital ship they have is Hood, she won't be risked in a fjord, and neither were S&G OTL. The coastal forts are in better condition and better manned than OTL.
 
Most coastal forts are manned, but they aren't at full complement, most commanders have their heavier batteries(15cm+) fully manned instead of them and smaller guns partially manned. The Navy is pretty much fully operational, though some ships aren't fully manned. Regiments, which consist of 1 battalion of regulars and 2 of reserves, have one reserve battalion and one company of the second with the regiment, equipment is being made operational.

Have defensive minefields in Norwegian territorial waters been laid? That I think is the most fascinating question as minefields either get kills, slow down advances for the coastal guns to plink and/or makes enemy ships go down very predictable and well-ranged pathways.
 
Thanks! Bismarck's purpose is going to be to help even the odds with the RN, since the only 40,000 ton capital ship they have is Hood, she won't be risked in a fjord, and neither were S&G OTL. The coastal forts are in better condition and better manned than OTL.
Why do I get the feeling that Bismarck will have the misfortune of being attacked by mutiple carriers if she gets spotted and once enough damage happens the capital ships will close in for the kill and given that Bismarck isn't worked up...well I rather like the Hood's chances especially since German fire control equipment was rather fragile
 

Driftless

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Have defensive minefields in Norwegian territorial waters been laid? That I think is the most fascinating question as minefields either get kills, slow down advances for the coastal guns to plink and/or makes enemy ships go down very predictable and well-ranged pathways.

And having a foreign navy subsequently try to sweep a safe channel in Norwegian home fjords is a blatant violation of neutrality.
 
Have defensive minefields in Norwegian territorial waters been laid? That I think is the most fascinating question as minefields either get kills, slow down advances for the coastal guns to plink and/or makes enemy ships go down very predictable and well-ranged pathways.
The minefields around bases and forts have been laid, but the fjords aren't fully mined
Why do I get the feeling that Bismarck will have the misfortune of being attacked by mutiple carriers if she gets spotted and once enough damage happens the capital ships will close in for the kill and given that Bismarck isn't worked up...well I rather like the Hood's chances especially since German fire control equipment was rather fragile
I seem to recall that when on of the Twins was working up, the crew stripped several miles of wire out of her and it helped, the fire control was so complicated. Not certain on if Biz had the same problems, but she is quite literally sailing from the shipyard to the front lines, any working up will have to be during the journey north
 
The minefields around bases and forts have been laid, but the fjords aren't fully mined

I seem to recall that when on of the Twins was working up, the crew stripped several miles of wire out of her and it helped, the fire control was so complicated. Not certain on if Biz had the same problems, but she is quite literally sailing from the shipyard to the front lines, any working up will have to be during the journey north
Hell the Norwegians get 70% of the benefit of minefields by issuing a press release stating that critical locations have been mined and any ship entering the fjords would require a Norwegian pilot to follow a marked channel. That can be done without any work.
 
Altmark and her crew were allowed to return to Germany.
The question is by then does she still have her guns and equipment or do the Norwegians have another 15cm CD battery?
by allowing us to mobilize the armed forces to three-quarters of their strength
The minefields around bases and forts have been laid, but the fjords aren't fully mined
As said by others above this hugely changes any ability to force harbours the risk of say a single command detonated mine under the channel would make it desperately risky to send one of the few warships in.
 
Welp Bismarck is screwed if it takes enough damage to not be able to outrun any RN capital ship that it runs into since it's not likely to be shooting well at all and the same goes for damage control
 
Welp Bismarck is screwed if it takes enough damage to not be able to outrun any RN capital ship that it runs into since it's not likely to be shooting well at all and the same goes for damage control
Really? You actually have her meeting the RN? I have her pegged as the Blucher of TTL. With the forts more prepared they will be able to fire more than two shells for sure. I see Bismarck leading the way and getting the brunt of it. Multiple 11" shells and tinfish into her. Honestly, I think she will be a perminent resident of that fijord.
 
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