Quite nice, though I feel the Basque might be a bit far from Catalonia. I suppose they are mostly just putting the border under one leadership, plus Catalonia and the Basque areas provided a lot of the industrial goods the Spanish Nationalists sent to Germany as payment for the war goods. Does this book or series you mention say anything about Italy’s reaction to the Germans invading Spain? I can see them getting antsy about being trapped in the Mediterranean by the Germans.
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the Nihonium looks a bit different from the original map (Pomerania being handed to Poland, for one) but the periodic table as a whole is still quite nice. Winston Churchill's proposal for Germany is weird, to say the least, even compared to all the other proposals in this table and especially considering his position at the time; I wonder how would that state stretching from Baden to Zakarpattia Oblast even function?By the way, here's a little bonus. Just a bunch of different semi-official and completely unofficial proposals for Germany's partition, which I have tried to arrange according to some logic, as well as fill in the gaps (à la Mendeleev's predicted elements).
were the Goerdelerium and Polonium actual OTL proposals?
Oh this is cool! What do the outlines (yellow/orange) mean? As well as the diagonal line, is it just to copy the Periodic Table, or is there a pattern that I'm not noticing? Though now that I look at it, I think the line separates scenarios where Germany continues to exist from scenarios where it's completely occupied?By the way, here's a little bonus. Just a bunch of different semi-official and completely unofficial proposals for Germany's partition, which I have tried to arrange according to some logic, as well as fill in the gaps (à la Mendeleev's predicted elements).
... And here's my submission for the 11th TMG! Looking back, I probably shouldn't have made it so open-ended, given the game wasn't branching, but oh well.
I recognise that flag lmao, didn't think I'd be seeing that again.
Thanks - yes, that was my idea , with the military occupation zones created for administrative reasons but given names evocative (to Germans) of broad regions, similar to the OTL Eastern Front. I hadn't really fleshed out Italy's views other than their having been given a bloody nose in the SCW; as you say I can see them concerned about the longer-term implications of a German puppet in the western Med and angling after use of Algeciras (while wondering if they can get away with taking Spain's north African territories currently in Allied hands).
Intresting!
Change this somehow German-(Vichy) France relations? How was war going on from that point? And how will look post-war world?
Nice maps! Will there be other proposals? I would really like to see them!
... And here's my submission for the 11th TMG! Looking back, I probably shouldn't have made it so open-ended, given the game wasn't branching, but oh well.
Also, Napoleon!
Sources for the Goerdeleriums, Moscovium, and Sunya-Wellesium?By the way, here's a little bonus. Just a bunch of different semi-official and completely unofficial proposals for Germany's partition, which I have tried to arrange according to some logic, as well as fill in the gaps (à la Mendeleev's predicted elements).
I like how the fucking Others got their own autonomous district.I was really bored...
I decided to leave the makeup of the confederation vague, but it is a collection of people disgruntled by the major powers ruling the rest of the world. I imagined it would include some Andalusians (who would dislike the Alghuramids), various Christian sects, Slavs, Colonies from bigger countries going their own way, a decent amount of Africans, some Native Americans, East Asians who don't like the Khanate and a large amount of Jews from all over, uniting under an ideology proclaiming liberation from the rest of the world.
Xipolshial is an East Asian state in California (though those guys are mixed in with the Californian natives), and the Harrisburg Republic is in El Salvador.
Just a silly little thing I intend to build off of. Basically, Featherston's Confederacy is ISOTed from 1941 to 1861. I want to make another map showing the world in the year 1900. Any thoughts as to what would likely happen? I can see the CS trying to build ties with it's OTL allies (probably failing with Russia, due to Russia's stance against the CS IOTL) while also trying to sabotage the formation of Germany. A war with spain also breaks out probably over the loss of Cuba.
I'm not OP, and I don't know about the original Goerdeler plan or the Russian plan, but śunya-Wellesium is a "predicted" plan, and is so named in keeping with Mendeleev's convention for predicted elements to prefix them with a Sanskrit number word, in this case the one for zero. It appears to relate to the Welles plan in the "opposite direction" as the Roosevelt one does. Similarly, the other Goerdeleriums (and eka-Polonium) are sort of extensions of their respective originals, not real plans. It's a really clever concept.
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Brilliant. I admit to being a little confused on Brittanium, Americum, Gallium, & Muscovium though. Were those actual proposals?
Thank you for showing us the ending to the show. I was really disappointed when they got cancelled after seven seasons.
I'll call Moff Tarkin; the Death Star should get here before Wednesday.
Basically a wank for most of the big countries in the Americas. I didn't think of many PODs, I just simplified the map without being too absurd. I also tried to make the South American borders different from most of the other maps (I have yet to see another map with Brazil and Argentina looking like that), but NA is a bit cliché.
In NA, big USA because why not (sorry Canada) and Mexico manages to keep its southern states. I united Hispaniola because I don't like divided islands in maps, even though its not very likely.
In SA, I guess everything would have to go perfect for Brazil and Colombia. Bolivia somehow finds itself in a war against all its neighbors (kinda like Paraguay) and is carved up like that (sorry Bolivia). Argentina gets all of Tierra del Fuego because it looks ugly in real maps lol.
In NA, big USA because why not (sorry Canada) and Mexico manages to keep its southern states. I united Hispaniola because I don't like divided islands in maps, even though its not very likely.
In SA, I guess everything would have to go perfect for Brazil and Colombia. Bolivia somehow finds itself in a war against all its neighbors (kinda like Paraguay) and is carved up like that (sorry Bolivia). Argentina gets all of Tierra del Fuego because it looks ugly in real maps lol.
That's just a mistake.
The yellow highlighted plans are completely "predicted" and based on the surrounding ones. And about the diagonal line - that's right.
According to Gerhard Ritter, in March 1943, Goerdeler advocated keeping Alsace-Lorraine, Austria, Sudetenland, South Tyrol and the 1914 border with Poland as part of Germany, in return for "promoting the formation of a Polish-Lithuanian union."
Polonium is just a standard partition of Germany without the French zone, but with the Polish zone.
Moscovium is not a real plan, just a reference to numerous alternate-history maps on a similar topic. But I was trying to follow the Soviet logic of creating republics as part of the USSR, so there are no republics without access to the sea or an external border.
Brittanium and Americum are the first British and American proposals for German occupation zones respectively, Gallium is the final one.
Your comment proves that this table can be understood without further explanation, which makes me unspeakably happy.
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