Map Thread XXI

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This, my friends, is what the creative block looks like.
Where's the "block"? This is great!
 
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This, my friends, is what the creative block looks like.
Surprised Red Austria didn’t stick with the hammer, sickle, and broken chains of Austrians cost of arms, given the other Austria went double headed. Poland is quite interesting. I suppose that the Poles were not completely occupied originally here. Also, starting to wonder if communist states added all those extra things before republic IOTL mostly if there had already been a republic there before or to stick it to other states who control part of the country. Anyways, given the US still has bases in Germany and Korea is fully unified (but not Japan) should we consider this as flipping the situation in Japan and Germany after WWII? Suppose it is obvious in retrospect.
 
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Map of the British occupation of the River Plate to January of 1807
Dark red - Effectively occupied territories
Light red - Territories generally answering to British occupation
Yellow - Spanish-controlled territories
Blue-gray - Delta regions
Light-gray - Indigenous territories
Dates shown next to the cities are dates of capture by British forces


Post for a slightly dead maps and graphics timeline, The Colossus Of The New World, check it out! It includes a successful British takeover of the River Plate, which is what I show here.
 
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Map of the British occupation of the River Plate to January of 1807
Dark red - Effectively occupied territories
Light red - Territories generally answering to British occupation
Yellow - Spanish-controlled territories
Blue-gray - Delta regions
Light-gray - Indigenous territories
Dates shown next to the cities are dates of capture by British forces


Post for a slightly dead maps and graphics timeline, The Colossus Of The New World, check it out! It includes a successful British takeover of the River Plate, which is what I show here.
Aw, man, I remember really liking this TL, is it really dead?
 
Aw, man, I remember really liking this TL, is it really dead?
Other than today's post of mine, the last post was made in June 2021, and the one before that, June 2020. I think Viseslav had been working on some "final" stuff for it, but that was basically it. It would be cool if we managed to revive it, but as of now, my contributions are just polishing already established stuff.
 
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It's interesting how much stronger a divide North/South Japan is than East/West Germany. In 2020 (I wasn't able to find historical data), those areas have 11% of the population of all of Japan and 16% of its economy; compare East Germany having 26% of the population, though I don't know how much of the economy in 1950. A lot of that economy these days is tourism, but there used to be a lot of extraction and industry. Also, that part of the country was relatively untouched by American bombing campaigns.
 
Aw, man, I remember really liking this TL, is it really dead?

I mean I’m working on a solo TL separate from it but I’d be down to revive it if other people want to (which they seem to so I guess we’re getting to work soon).

I’m honesty surprised that people were following it given how disorganized it was and how much of it was just the contributors discussing things. Next time we’re definitely gonna try to organize stuff better.

As for the thing I’m working on, I was working on a detailed 2K BAM of a (roughly extrapolated) state of the TL in 1900 though some things might have to be reworked as we begin to work on Colossus again.
 
I’m honesty surprised that people were following it given how disorganized it was and how much of it was just the contributors discussing things. Next time we’re definitely gonna try to organize stuff better.
Well, some of the ideas were very creative and even the WIP maps were great imo, and besides, it's always cool to see the cake get made.
As for the thing I’m working on, I was working on a detailed 2K BAM of a (roughly extrapolated) state of the TL in 1900 though some things might have to be reworked as we begin to work on Colossus again
Happy to hear that! If you do work on it again, you can count on me being a watcher right away, perhaps I can even give ideas or so, if school and college doesn't fuck me over that is.
 
Well, some of the ideas were very creative and even the WIP maps were great imo, and besides, it's always cool to see the cake get made.

Happy to hear that! If you do work on it again, you can count on me being a watcher right away, perhaps I can even give ideas or so, if school and college doesn't fuck me over that is.
Glad to hear people enjoyed it and it seems it’s coming back. We have some new contributors and a lot of old ones are getting active again though it might just be a momentary spike of inspiration.

And yeah for sure there were some cool ideas, Entre’s work on Argentina was especially unique and everyone had a number of interesting contributions.

And of course we’d be happy to hear any ideas you might have.
 
12 Ways to Divide the DOMINION OF FLORIDA
Stereotype Map of a British Florida

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This is basically a stereotype/division map of an Independent Florida that got where it was because of the United Kingdom holding on to Florida after the American Revolutionary War at the Treaty of Paris as Louis XVI wanted them to. Britain retains Florida, and it eventually gains self-governance and responsible government in 1913 as a dominion and remains so. Despite an American invasion in 1812, the invasion was expelled, and the region has remained fiercely independent.

Thoughts and comments?
 
12 Ways to Divide the DOMINION OF FLORIDA
Stereotype Map of a British Florida

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This is basically a stereotype/division map of an Independent Florida that got where it was because of the United Kingdom holding on to Florida after the American Revolutionary War at the Treaty of Paris as Louis XVI wanted them to. Britain retains Florida, and it eventually gains self-governance and responsible government in 1913 as a dominion and remains so. Despite an American invasion in 1812, the invasion was expelled, and the region has remained fiercely independent.

Thoughts and comments?
Love it.

Although, I dread to think what British Florida Man would be like.

EDIT: I assume the Seminole (and some other people in the interior) have a sort of Duke of Edinburgh style cargo cult?
 
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Love it.

Although, I dread to think what British Florida Man would be like.

EDIT: I assume the Seminole (and some other people in the interior) have a sort of Duke of Edinburgh style cargo cult?
Yes. The Seminole revere the British Monarchy under a semi-divine status. They did offer that to George III iirc......
 
How in the hell actually are there any fascist and somehow communist in there ? Are they just an exagerration or what ?
By the clues in the map, I'll take a stab at communists in Tallahassee. So we have the following attributes ascribed to the city
  1. High population of peoples speaking 'proper Floridian English' so my guess is a city with a core white settler population (could be from the north or from proper Anglo migration, but those distinctions melt into Anglo-Floridian culture in this city), but also containing some mixture of Afro-Floridians, Seminole migrants, and Hispano-Floridians (drawn from the city's rural hinterlands) which traditionally occupy the less affluent parts of the city and perform a higher proportion of blue collar work for ... historical reasons ... the map doesn't distinguish dialects so its a bit difficult to read exact proportions into it though (AFVE = proper Floridian English?)
  2. Not a city driven by tourism or propped up by sundowing retirees from the British House of Lords or vacationing American students, so we must assume it remains a high population center for some other reason. Historically, it was fairly small until the 1950s and 1960s as an administratively oriented town, along the northern highway, and inland from destructive storms. It is in a good position on this Anglo highway system to be a manufacturing city for exports to the United States. It could be a service and supply hub for the tourist-driven idyllic Spanish coast to its south and the college towns to its north.
  3. It is simultaneously denigrated as in a hopelessly rural area but marked as an affluent area. Some of it can be attributed to lack of knowledge of the exact contours of the socio-economic geography by the author in-universe, but I guess this implies a highly stratified city with a rich upper and upper middle class in gated communities and a large population of working class inner-city people.
There is a lack of solid political information, but the communists seem to be fairly isolated on the map. I'm going to assume a Militant Tendency (M) within the Labour Party of Florida (LPF). A recent innovation of entryist strategies born from the complete failure of the Communist Party of Florida (CPF) which tried to import strategies from the CPUSA's organizing or rural workers in the American South ITTL. This ignored the conditions that gave rise to their success. Obviously, the conditions down in the old Dominion are very different, and it fell flat on its face. The Labour Party, with a voting base in some of the major cities of Florida, was deemed a good target for a militant organization to poach from. The Militant Tendency has its support base in Tallahassee on the back of a diverse underclass of urban workers. As such, it adopts a Rainbow Coalition strategy in an attempt to extend cadre work to the surrounding towns and countrysides with Yankee, Anglo, Seminole, or Afro-Floridian persuasions. Given that the only other communist stronghold is in the Seminole national region, then clearly this coalition strategy is finding a home amongst impoverished and outcast Seminole peoples. Rural organizing among the Hispano-Floridians in north-central Florida has been made easier by the joining up of veteran organizers from the now-defunct Movimiento Campesino 26 de Octubre (MC 26-10). Also it seems like party work among the Hispano-Floridians is complicated by the success of ultra-nationalist militias in the coastal hinterlands (yes, the militancy of rural workers gave rise to strike-breaking Hispano-Floridian paramilitaries which we can safely call fascist). The tensions between these two forces could explode into an ugly little war if measures aren't taken by the Dominion's Governor General. Branches of Militant in other cities are in the works, but resistance within the broader Labour Party is making this difficult. Whether this specter continues to haunt the peninsula is an open question...

Arise, Florida lads, arise!

EDIT: added Trots
 
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This, my friends, is what the creative block looks like.
By the way, here's a little bonus. Just a bunch of different semi-official and completely unofficial proposals for Germany's partition, which I have tried to arrange according to some logic, as well as fill in the gaps (à la Mendeleev's predicted elements).
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12 Ways to Divide the DOMINION OF FLORIDA
Stereotype Map of a British Florida

99ebstp.png

This is basically a stereotype/division map of an Independent Florida that got where it was because of the United Kingdom holding on to Florida after the American Revolutionary War at the Treaty of Paris as Louis XVI wanted them to. Britain retains Florida, and it eventually gains self-governance and responsible government in 1913 as a dominion and remains so. Despite an American invasion in 1812, the invasion was expelled, and the region has remained fiercely independent.

Thoughts and comments?
My main thoughts are that if Spain ever joined the UK the crosses in the Union Jack would become all the more complicated. Though speaking of crosses in flags, isn’t it usually the the opposite for the cross of burgundy? The British just wanted something that looked good? The white stripe at the bottom almost makes me think of a Soviet flag. How much of the population here would you say is Seminole? Such a strange world, where Florida has a thriving native population and with few if any theme parks, Jews, and... Hmmm. They got oranges here, right? I am actually a bit surprised the Bahamas aren’t attached to Florida here, though if we go by IOTL, I am also surprised Turk and Caicos aren’t a part of the Bahamas.

By the way, here's a little bonus. Just a bunch of different semi-official and completely unofficial proposals for Germany's partition, which I have tried to arrange according to some logic, as well as fill in the gaps (à la Mendeleev's predicted elements).
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Helgioland is yellow in Sunya-Wellesium just an override due to the similar borders of Hanover between maps? And what is the situation southern Prussia in Nihonium? Did it become some Masurian autonomous region or keep its Germans? I kind of want to see that map where Poland/China actually kept their eastern areas, so as to see how the various minority areas were split up. Probably safe to say Pomerania got the Manchuria treatment. Also, Kaufman’s original map had Belgium getting Dutch Limburg, Dutch Zeeland, and part of Dutch Brabant.
 
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By the way, here's a little bonus. Just a bunch of different semi-official and completely unofficial proposals for Germany's partition, which I have tried to arrange according to some logic, as well as fill in the gaps (à la Mendeleev's predicted elements).

Nice work (this and the original map)! Quite a few there I don't recognise - interesting to see how in some cases (e.g. US and Britain) the official line was different/more moderate than its leaders'.

I finally got around to finishing this map for the Tightrope Walker setting - specifically Fall Grau and the invasion of Spain (styled in-universe by the Propagandist TW as the 'Second Peninsular War'), which I don't think I've seen too often in alt-WW2s, despite one of the cooler OTL contingency plans (Operation Goldeneye, conceived by the actual Ian Fleming). I should stress that if this seems like a bad idea, it absolutely is, and shortens the war by several months.

As a reminder, as a result of the intervention of the titular Tightrope Walkers (children raised by the State into Slan-eque multidisciplinary geniuses), the Spanish Civil War ends with the defeat of the fascists and the installation of a fragile coalition government between moderate Republicans and socialists. Following the defeat of France, Germany believes Spain could be used by the British and Americans as a base for the invasion of Europe (despite assurances given by Giral), and the order is given to invade and occupy Spain and install Luis Carrero Blanco as head of a collaboration government. This 'Spanish Civil Authority' would in practice be limited to Madrid (in partnership with German troops) and the surrounding rural areas, with the populous coastal cities entirely under German military control. As such Blanco's government is never seen as a credible independent member of the Axis.

Gibraltar falls in September 1940, with Operation Goldeneye put into effect by Lieutenant Commander Ian Fleming to coordinate sabotage actions by SOE Section H move key functions to Tangiers. The Propagandist's plans to frame the invasion as a 'Second Peninsular War' are foiled by the speed of collapse of Republican forces - however individual Civil War level units continue to operate, with a population deeply hostile to both the Fascist government and the occupying German military.

The resources used ITTL to invade Spain prevent Germany from supporting the invasion of Greece, meaning the Kingdom of Yugoslavia also survives as a rump state (ceding Dalmatia and much of Croatia to the Italians) until the end of the war, and weakens their hand in North Africa. It should be noted that Germany ITTL did not invade Norway (which had been preemptively seized by the Allies in Operation R4).

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