I do not know if there is any merit to this, but are there any native troops in the British African colonies who can be sent to Singapore? My understanding from this time line is that even a couple hundred soldiers would help.

The 81st (West African) Division[2] was formed under British control during the Second World War. It took part in the Burma Campaign.

he 82nd (West African) Division[2] was formed under British control during the Second World War. It took part in the later stages of the Burma Campaign and was disbanded in Burma between May and September 1946.[3]

There were other units listed but these were the ones that fought in Asia.
Both Divisions were formed in or about 1943 but the units they drew from did exist far earlier - primarily Royal West African Frontier Force - itself created from units raised in Gold Coast (9 battalions of which 6 served in Burma), Nigeria (14 battalions of which 10 served in Burma), Sierra Leone (3 Battalions of which 1 served in Burma) and Gambia (2 Battalions of which 1 served in Burma).

So an earlier end to the fighting in Africa could translate into an earlier deployment of West African units but certainly not before 1942.

As the units had far less experience than other 'non-white colonial forces' for example Indian army battalions - which rarely had more than 10 'Europeans' in their ranks - the 81st and 82nd units often had over 80s 'Europeans' per battalion and nearly 300 Polish officers ended up serving in the units as the white colonials from those nations struggled to generate enough personnel.
 

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David Row, in The Whale Has Wings, Vol. 3: Holding the Barrier (self published at Createspace; copyright 2013), gives a detailed account of how a Britain better prepared during the 1930s for a carrier war is able to hold the line in Malaya. It is also based on the British having a better strategic position in the Mediterranean (see Vols. 1 and 2) and hence able to strengthen its air, naval and land forces in Malaya. This is the 2013 version of Vol. 3; there may be a later version that is kind of an Australia wank and less relevant. However the 2013 version has General Blamey of Australia commanding the land forces up the peninsula with Harold Alexander in charge in Singapore. The British have real carrier power in the region (under Somerville) and MacArthur can't interfere because he is not in charge of U.S. forces after his errors in the Philippines. The account is very detailed; you might find something useful in spite of a POD different from your own.
To be honest, there have been a lot of 'What Ifs' that see Britain hold Malaya/Singapore one way or another, I'm certainly not the first, and when it comes to putting forward a new name to an historical command, whatever names I propose, will have probably been suggested before. The reduction in the size of the Hong Kong garrison was discussed by the CoS, and from a military point of view, eminently very sensible, however, as always in war, quite often a political reason overrides a purely military reason. Again I'm not the first to suggest this reduction either.

Obviously where you start your POD dictates some of what you suggest, and I've tried to start my POD as late as possible, but still hopefully having a reasonable and realistic path to achieving success. However, one thing I have learnt already, is what you think will happen doesn't always, as some 'minor thing' forces an outcome you didn't plan for. I'd like to think at the end of this story, it can be reflected on and said, yes that could have happened. I already have written most of the sections leading up to December 1941, and mapped out a lot after, but contributions sometimes make me question directions I have taken, or whether they are realistic or not. Some stuff, like the choice of Lord Gort replacing Brooke-Popham is down to individual preference, as I don't think I could possibly say I got that right.
 

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I do not know if there is any merit to this, but are there any native troops in the British African colonies who can be sent to Singapore? My understanding from this time line is that even a couple hundred soldiers would help.

The 81st (West African) Division[2] was formed under British control during the Second World War. It took part in the Burma Campaign.

he 82nd (West African) Division[2] was formed under British control during the Second World War. It took part in the later stages of the Burma Campaign and was disbanded in Burma between May and September 1946.[3]

There were other units listed but these were the ones that fought in Asia.
Currently both West African and East African troops are doing really well fighting the Italians in East Africa.
 

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As the units had far less experience than other 'non-white colonial forces' for example Indian army battalions - which rarely had more than 10 'Europeans' in their ranks - the 81st and 82nd units often had over 80s 'Europeans' per battalion and nearly 300 Polish officers ended up serving in the units as the white colonials from those nations struggled to generate enough personnel.

Wow, I didn't know that!
 
They sat expectantly for several seconds, as Churchill turned the idea’s over in his head. He didn’t like it, but something had to be done. “Very well, Pug, take a note, I shall write to the Dominions requesting their attendance to a Singapore Conference and support with regards to war materials, forming new article XV Sqns in Malaya and the temporary deployment of the 8th Australian in assisting in its defence. With regard to Hong Kong, I accept your proposals, but Leslie, take note, General Dill has chosen the Royal Scots to have the honour of remaining as the garrison’s British battalion”.

For all his status as a soldier, friend of the Navy and a successful war leader, people often lose sight of the fact that Winston was also a master politician.
 
And speaking of generals with multiple skills, why not Harold Alexander to prepare for the probably inevitable war in Malaya, Singapore and the Dutch East Indies?
Very good on the political side, undoubtedly courageous (both physically and morally - the later being more important as a commander), physically fit - as a Brigade commander on the Northwest frontier in the 30s he often beat his troops to the summits they were attacking, having been a commander in the Indian army he 'knew the troops' so would have a good understanding of their fortes and foibles.

However as a senior commander he really did need a very good COS in order to do the job effectively, both Brooke and Monty (under whom he had attended staff college) did not think all that much of him.

That all being said he did end up in Burma after the Japanese invasion so I can see no reason not to send him in early 41 instead, especially if the threat of invasion of the UK is far lessened.

My only issue is that all the reasons why we might find him suitable for the role also mitigate against him being sent - experienced senior officers in the British army were not exactly 10 a penny in 1941 and there were enough fronts and areas where actual fighting was ongoing and he could have been better used than Malaya where there was none.
 

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Very good on the political side, undoubtedly courageous (both physically and morally - the later being more important as a commander), physically fit - as a Brigade commander on the Northwest frontier in the 30s he often beat his troops to the summits they were attacking, having been a commander in the Indian army he 'knew the troops' so would have a good understanding of their fortes and foibles.

However as a senior commander he really did need a very good COS in order to do the job effectively, both Brooke and Monty (under whom he had attended staff college) did not think all that much of him.

That all being said he did end up in Burma after the Japanese invasion so I can see no reason not to send him in early 41 instead, especially if the threat of invasion of the UK is far lessened.

My only issue is that all the reasons why we might find him suitable for the role also mitigate against him being sent - experienced senior officers in the British army were not exactly 10 a penny in 1941 and there were enough fronts and areas where actual fighting was ongoing and he could have been better used than Malaya where there was none.
I think the last date we have seen is October 1940.
This means that there is no immediate role for a Lt. General in action the UK is not really under an invasion threat.
This means that there is a good staff officer available and for bonus points he is an RAF officer - Brooke-Popham
 
1940, Thursday 17 October;

Dill sat there patiently, quietly rehearsing in his mind what he wanted to say. He’d had quite a good COS meeting so far, they were confident there would be no invasion this year, and despite the massive shortages in arms and equipment, the Army was getting into better shape every day. In Egypt the Italians had surprisingly, having just crossed the border, dug in, showing no real interest in wanting to go any further. And in East Africa they also showed no intent on taking the offensive, content to make small ingresses into British territory and then sit down and fortify.

But the Far East was another matter. If Japan attacked, and that was a big if, but if she did, Hong Kong, Borneo, Malaya and Singapore, and even Burma would collapse like a house of cards. They were so weak everywhere, but Churchill didn’t seem to realise that. Dudley had been quite clear the Navy would not be able to get there for at least six months, and the RAF, which supposedly was to be the defence until they did, wouldn’t be ready for a long time, despite Cyril’s crowing.

Well, the appreciation from the local commanders had been received, and it highlighted how weak they were. They were asking for a lot of aircraft, and until they had them, the Army needed about 40 battalions, along with a considerable sundry of other units to defend with. Dill’s mind was brought sharply round to focus, as he heard Dudley speak.

“Next on the Agenda is the Far East, Prime Minster. Have you had anymore thought to the suggestion that the Americans base a naval squadron in Singapore Prime Minister?”

“Ah yes Dudley, over a series of cables I have made representations to the President over the suggestion of a USN squadron paying a friendly visit to Singapore. The response is very clear, with the elections coming up there will be no talk of US Forces being deployed in any way that could drag the USA into, as he called it, a foreign war. The American public is extremely sensitive to any suggestion of propping up our Empire. The President’s focus is on material aid only, with the intent on supporting the UK. Any defensive measures for Singapore will have to be taken by us alone.”

The room was silent for a moment, as the news sunk in, clear disappointment on Pound’s face. He cleared his throat and spoke again. “I received the joint local tactical appreciation from Singapore, and have circulated it, I trust everyone has had time to read and digest it. Singapore was asking for 566 frontline aircraft, but we believe they could manage with a minimum of 336.”

Churchill turned to his right, where Pug Ismay was sitting, and took the offered papers. “Ah yes Dudley, the appreciation, yes I have looked at it. 366 is quite a considerable number of aircraft don’t you think, and over the last few nights the RAF has demonstrated it is incapable of protecting our capital at night, despite being at war of over a year now. More than 2000 casualties on Monday, the biggest raid yet, followed by Tuesday night when London had 900 separate fires, and severe disruption to the rail network”

Churchill was looking at Air Chief Marshal Newall as he spoke, clearly still angry at the inadequacies of London’s AA defence. Dill watched with interest as someone other than himself suffered Churchill ire. Just recently he’d noticed a change in Churchill’s behaviour to Newall, no longer the darling of the Battle of Britain, indeed if the rumours Dill had heard of Newall’s rows with Beaverbrook, he was on borrowed time. “Tell me Cyril, just where do you hope to find these aircraft from” Churchill stared at Newall.

“Well Prime Minister, the fact is we haven’t got much at the moment, however with the reasonable assumption that there is no invasion coming this year, I can release 226 Sqn RAF, equipped with Fairey Battles. For further reinforcements, I would suggest we build up our forces by deploying newly raised Article VX sqns from the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan, with the agreement of the Dominions. For now, we could send further Fairey Battles and some Vildebeest Torpedo aircraft, and then redirect the Brewster Buffalo’s we’ve purchased from the USA to there. We could hope to achieve our target number by possibly end of 41.

We do, however, need to keep developing the infrastructure to allow these aircraft to deploy, and that unfortunately takes considerable time, I hope your satisfied with the planned expansion of airfields, and the accompanying network of radar stations allowing us to maximise their use. We are struggling with airfield construction, lacking the specialist units required for this work, and to provide a radar network ready for the end of 1941, I am having to divert some units promised for other secondary theatres”.

Pound spoke up before Churchill could react “Prime Minister, if I may add, the Naval Staff have given some consideration to forming a FAA Training Wing, based at Singapore, we think it could be useful having a trained pool of aircrew available as replacements to our Eastern Mediterranean squadrons, as well as adding to the defence of the Far East. They could operate in support of the RAF in this theatre if it was so required. HMS Hermes would be able to provide carrier-based training, and the pilots would come from the Dominions, easing our training programme back here in the UK”.

That seemed to placate Churchill, who was clearly ready to jump all over Newall. Now it was Dill’s turn, he leaned forward. “Prime Minister until we have reached the required number of aircraft, it falls on the Army to defend Malaya. They estimate about 40 battalion’s worth of troops. With the planned arrival of two Indian Bde’s, and expansion of local forces we will have about 15 battalions. Longer term we can hope for more troops from India, but that won’t be enough.

As an interim measure could we not ask for the newly raised 8th Australian Division to be moved there, at least as cover until more forces are assembled, they could continue their training there, and they would be closer to the Middle East”.

Dill leaned back; here we go he thought. Churchill looked over his glasses and cleared his throat. “Training John? A temporary move, halfway to North Africa, so to speak. Err yes, I suppose I could ask that of the Australians”.

Dill continued, encouraged now. “Can we ask the Dominions to help out more? Supplies, equipment and particularly construction materials are in short supply. Could they help us raise more local forces where possible, some ECO’s for the new Indian Battalions?”

“Hmm, yes that could help John. I believe we have a conference planned in Singapore to discuss defence issues, with the Americans and Dutch and Australians invited. Invite representatives from the other Dominions. I will speak to their Prime Ministers to encourage their help. You can only expect voluntary help, and it mustn’t detract from our main efforts in Britain’s defence and the Middle East.”

Well, thought Dill, so good, so far, one last bit to debate.
“Prime Minister, we’ve been looking at the situation in Hong Kong again.” A frown formed on Churchill’s face, as Dill continued, “If war does come to the Far East, we couldn’t hope to hold Hong Kong, what we have there would be lost, I’d like to suggest we reduce the garrison to a level able to provide internal security, and able to offer resistance to any Japanese attack on Hong Kong Island itself. We would retain a British battalion, some of the coastal batteries, and with the newly forming Hong Kong Chinese Regt, it would allow us to withdraw a brigade’s worth of troops plus some artillery for Malaya. We would stage the withdrawals gradually, allowing the Chinese Regiment to take on some of the responsibilities as they form”.

Newall remained silent, in part because he had no forces of any consequences and in part to remain out of the firing line. But Pound was quick to follow Dill. “It would be most useful, Prime Minister, I would be able to withdraw some units to Singapore as well. We would still maintain patrols, be able to offer resistance to any attack, but not lose so much”.

Churchill didn’t answer for a moment, in deep thought. “And what British troops would be sacrificed for Hong Kong’s honour gentlemen” he softly asked.

Dill cleared his throat “Hmm, the Royal Scots Prime Minister”

They sat expectantly for several seconds, as Churchill turned the idea’s over in his head. He didn’t like it, but something had to be done. “Very well, Pug, take a note, I shall write to the Dominions requesting their attendance to a Singapore Conference and support with regards to war materials, forming new article XV Sqns in Malaya and the temporary deployment of the 8th Australian in assisting in its defence. With regard to Hong Kong, I accept your proposals, but Leslie, take note, General Dill has chosen the Royal Scots to have the honour of remaining as the garrison’s British battalion”.

Hello @Fatboy Coxy

Really enjoying this a lot similar to a thread I did a couple of years ago. First things first, since this is your timeline and maybe you aren't specific with military stuff, I'm going to give you some advise where you can build up military stuff from around the British empire.

Let's go first with the airforce: Many planes were available that could help out Singapore and Malaysia. Fighter planes? Well we know that the Hurricanes and Spitfire weren't available but the British are going to get some good American fighters. I recommend you look up this two class of fighter planes and where we're they sent in our real timeline:



Look at the biography of the Vanguard and you will see that between September and October 100 planes were given to the British. But what many don't know is that 20 planes were delivered per month and if you deliver that to Singapore 60 planes could be available to the Malayian Campaign. That could be 3 squadron of 16 planes per squadron plus reserves. The P-36 you can decide how many squadrons could be formed and sent to Singapore. I think 4 squadrons could be sent. 1 squadron could be flown by New Zealand pilots. With the 5 squadron of Buffalo's that could be a total of 12 squadrons or 240 fighter including reserves.

The bomber squadrons is easy to find since there were plenty to round up. Here is a list of bombers which could be sent to Singapore:


Tomorrow I'll give you some information about the army and about tanks. Hope this information can help you out.

Cheers...
 
Hello @Fatboy Coxy

Really enjoying this a lot similar to a thread I did a couple of years ago. First things first, since this is your timeline and maybe you aren't specific with military stuff, I'm going to give you some advise where you can build up military stuff from around the British empire.

Let's go first with the airforce: Many planes were available that could help out Singapore and Malaysia. Fighter planes? Well we know that the Hurricanes and Spitfire weren't available but the British are going to get some good American fighters. I recommend you look up this two class of fighter planes and where we're they sent in our real timeline:



Look at the biography of the Vanguard and you will see that between September and October 100 planes were given to the British. But what many don't know is that 20 planes were delivered per month and if you deliver that to Singapore 60 planes could be available to the Malayian Campaign. That could be 3 squadron of 16 planes per squadron plus reserves. The P-36 you can decide how many squadrons could be formed and sent to Singapore. I think 4 squadrons could be sent. 1 squadron could be flown by New Zealand pilots. With the 5 squadron of Buffalo's that could be a total of 12 squadrons or 240 fighter including reserves.

The bomber squadrons is easy to find since there were plenty to round up. Here is a list of bombers which could be sent to Singapore:


Tomorrow I'll give you some information about the army and about tanks. Hope this information can help you out.

Cheers...
The other option is with greater focus being placed on the region P40s are freed up for use in the Malaya AOE

By Dec 41 about 450 odd had been delivered - most to North Africa

So with a greater focus perhaps fighter command release some of its Spitfire wings to Malta and North Africa earlier allowing for 3 Sqdns / 1 wing of P40s to be based in Malaya.

This would require 24 aircraft per squadron (16 + 8 reserve AC per sqdn - so 48 plus 24 reserve) with a 10% monthly peacetime turnover of airframes - so 72 aircraft with 8 aircraft per month - likely delivered in larger batches - so probably at least 100 airframes at any given point in theatre.

This diversion of P40 airframes could result in some of the F2 squadrons re-equipping with the P40s

Of course the major issue was not the aircraft type but the manner in which they were used or rather misused!
 
The other option is with greater focus being placed on the region P40s are freed up for use in the Malaya AOE

By Dec 41 about 450 odd had been delivered - most to North Africa

So with a greater focus perhaps fighter command release some of its Spitfire wings to Malta and North Africa earlier allowing for 3 Sqdns / 1 wing of P40s to be based in Malaya.

This would require 24 aircraft per squadron (16 + 8 reserve AC per sqdn - so 48 plus 24 reserve) with a 10% monthly peacetime turnover of airframes - so 72 aircraft with 8 aircraft per month - likely delivered in larger batches - so probably at least 100 airframes at any given point in theatre.

This diversion of P40 airframes could result in some of the F2 squadrons re-equipping with the P40s

Of course the major issue was not the aircraft type but the manner in which they were used or rather misused!

@Cryhavoc101

I thought that to but the Mediterranean Theater was very important for the P40. Before December 1941 at least a 100 of this planes had been destroyed in air combat with the Germans, so I don’t see any of the squadrons base in Egypt heading for Singapore. Unless AVG is based in Singapore then the P40 would be available to help out Singapore. It will depend on @Fatboy Coxy doing with his time-line.
 

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@Cryhavoc101

I thought that to but the Mediterranean Theater was very important for the P40. Before December 1941 at least a 100 of this planes had been destroyed in air combat with the Germans, so I don’t see any of the squadrons base in Egypt heading for Singapore. Unless AVG is based in Singapore then the P40 would be available to help out Singapore. It will depend on @Fatboy Coxy doing with his time-line.
The Mediterranean theatre is second only to the home front, and is Britain's best way of fighting back against Hitler, recognising that Bomber Command is a long way off delivering knock out blows.

I see the P40 as a first class fighter, and cannot be considered for a backwater like Malaya, they should all be going to North Africa. Currently we are in October 1940, and the first deliveries of P40's to the British was early 1941 I believe. Quite what fighters Malaya gets is yet to be decided, I think the first fighters they got, historically was the Blenheim Mk I's of RAF 27 Squadron, with the 4 gun pack mounted under the fuselage.
 
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1940, Wednesday 06 November

He headed north along the Albany Post Road, mid-morning, the sun was out, the road dry, but he was thankful for his heavy coat and riding gauntlets insulating him from the biting wind coming off the Hudson River. He could see the big house now, coming up on his left, flat roofed, a large fieldstone wing either side, a small columned portico around the middle entrance. Along the roadside, a good dozen parked cars including a couple of New York State Police patrol cars stood, their occupants waiting for his arrival. He was spotted, and immediately doors swung open, as reporters and photographers leaped out, along with a number of state troopers, in their best dressed uniforms despite the November weather.

He slowed his bike, a trooper waving him through, up the drive towards the house, very conscious of his small part in an historical event. As he pulled up outside, the front door opened, and a smartly dressed woman stepped out. “Telegram for the President, Miss Tully, ma’am” he said as he pulled his leather satchel round, opening it and taking out the neatly addressed sealed envelope. “Thank you, Eddie, it’s very cold today don’t you think?”, She signed his receipt book “Sure is ma’am”.

They waited in the big living room, both fireplaces crackling with burning split logs, the President in a big light green and gold armchair, Eleanor, Missy and Stephen seated in the other matching three, all trying hard to maintain an appearance of nonchalance. Grace walked in, “A telegram for you Mr President sir”, playing her part in the little game. “Thank you, Grace”, he carefully opened it, unfolding the page with care, before reading aloud for the benefit of all.

“Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States,
Hyde Park, New York.

Congratulations on your re-election as President of the United States. I know that we are both gratified that so many American citizens participated in the election. I wish you all personal health and happiness. Cordially,

Wendell. L. Willkie,
New York, N.Y.
November 6, 1940”.

He lowered the page, to smiles all round, he’d done it, won an historic third term, he’d been given the mandate to continue the good work, and although many millions of ordinary Americans didn’t appreciate it yet, lead the United States of America into taking the stage as leader of the free world. He wasn’t there yet, a lot of work was still to be done, turning around the isolationist views that had gripped America for years, overcoming the fears of another generation of young men spilling blood on the muddy battlefields of northern France.

A speech had to be made now, for the gathering press outside, and he would remain on song. He would continue to preach the need for a strong defence, building up the Army and Navy along with their air forces, pointing out the massive economic benefits of rearmament, as millions found newly created jobs, lifting them out of the poverty of the 1920s and 30’s. And at the same time doing everything he could to help keep Britain in a war she was so close to losing. War would come to the USA, of that he was certain, he wasn’t clear quite how that path would be taken, nor how long they would be on it, but they were on it now!
 
@Cryhavoc101

I thought that to but the Mediterranean Theater was very important for the P40. Before December 1941 at least a 100 of this planes had been destroyed in air combat with the Germans, so I don’t see any of the squadrons base in Egypt heading for Singapore. Unless AVG is based in Singapore then the P40 would be available to help out Singapore. It will depend on @Fatboy Coxy doing with his time-line.
The Mediterranean theatre is second only to the home front, and is Britain's best way of fighting back against Hitler, recognising that Bomber Command is a long way off delivering knock out blows.

I see the P40 as a first class fighter, and cannot be considered for a backwater like Malaya, they should all be going to North Africa. Currently we are in October 1940, and the first deliveries of P40's to the British was early 1941 I believe. Quite what fighters Malaya gets is yet to be decided, I think the first fighters they got, historically was the Blenheim Mk I's of RAF 27 Squadron, with the 4 gun pack mounted under the fuselage.
I don't disagree that NA was important - it was and this is partially my point (and none of this is a critique on what you have suggested and written so far its just a talking point)

What I am suggesting is not simply removing the P40s but replacing them with Spitfire Squadrons from the UK with fighter command pilots and BoB vets

Taking 6 Squadrons from Fighter command and inflicting them on the Germans over Malta and Egypt during 1941 would achieve a hell of a lot more than those ridiculous wasteful Rhubarb fighter sweeps they conducted over France.

North Africa was important and yet we do not see any spitfires until what was it Aug...Sept 1942 where the arrival of just 3 Squadrons had a savage impact on JG 27 and other Luftwaffe units.

Before that Fighter Command was hording them (aside from the aircraft sent to Malta)

Meanwhile a large number of the P40s and up to 3 of the Squadrons (Certainly the RAAF Squadrons?) using them can be shifted to Malaya and the Malaya Squadrons can be partially refitted with a better aircraft?

I appreciate that the Blitz was still ongoing and defending the motherland with its vital industry was very important but it had switched to 'mostly' night bombing and the withdrawal of bomber units to prep for Barbarossa effectively ended it in May 1941 (and the British had known about Barbarossa about a week after Hitler briefed his Generals back on Nov 1940 IIRC).

There was a clear opportunity to use some of fighter commands squadrons earlier in Malta and North Africa if not before May 1942 then there certainly was after this date.
Could you enlighten me a little on this please
This video was a great lecture on the situation


The Buffalo was certainly porcine but there are multiple reasons beyond its performance why it failed to stop the IJA Airforce in Malaya given that the main enemy fighter was the KI 27

The issue was that there was a lot of them and not enough British aircraft, the Japanese were highly skilled and like elsewhere (Philippines, Pearl Harbour, Wake Island) in those first weeks of Dec the Japanese were very good at catching planes on the ground and destroying large numbers of them

There was no attempt (as far as I am aware) at dispersal, revetments, dummy airfields and dummy targets and due to the size of the country too few units to defend it properly and it (quite understandably) lacked an air defence network.

Aside from the last which I am not sure could be overcome all the others should have been instigated - particularly by an air force that was doing all that back in the UK and elsewhere as BAU for some time.
 

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I don't disagree that NA was important - it was and this is partially my point (and none of this is a critique on what you have suggested and written so far its just a talking point)
Talking points are something I very much want, and as we go through the timeline, I, hopefully, will have thrown up a lot. I plan to write my 'What If' with a lot of reference of whats happening elsewhere, to keep things in perspective, and hopefully ensure my changes are realistic and not alien space bat!.

However, this can make a rod for my own back, and I have to be careful not to discuss in too much detail, events, changes etc, before they are due, for fear of providing spoilers, because, after all, its nice to have a few surprises up your sleeve.

So I have noted what you have written, and will revisit that in due course.

The link you provided doesn't work, could you have another go for me please.
 
For the video? Odd it’s working for me so the best bet is to look it up ‘ in defence of the worst plane of WW2 Brewster Buffalo’.

It’s by military aviation history on YT.

It’s a series of videos where the chap investigates maligned ww2 aircraft designs such as the Defiant and Buffalo.
 
Hello @Fatboy Coxy
@Cryhavoc101

I found a good research done a couple of years ago by a history teacher


Also there was a essay on the topic but has been put in private since you need to subscribe to historynet.

The essay I did put it up here in the alternate history. Here's the link:
 
@Cryhavoc101

I thought that to but the Mediterranean Theater was very important for the P40. Before December 1941 at least a 100 of this planes had been destroyed in air combat with the Germans, so I don’t see any of the squadrons base in Egypt heading for Singapore. Unless AVG is based in Singapore then the P40 would be available to help out Singapore. It will depend on @Fatboy Coxy doing with his time-line.

Read this below:
Although a bit more unlikely, there is also a possibility of air reinforcement from a valuable source. COL Claire Chennault and Curtiss Aircraft Corporation’s first choice for the organization of the American Volunteer Group (AVG) was Singapore, not Burma. Singapore already had a thriving American business community, and Ford Motor Company had established an assembly plant – infamous as the location of Percival’s surrender to Yamashita. The British Colonial authorities in Malaya vetoed this proposal, again fearing a Curtiss presence would disrupt the labor market and believing it would be a provocative act. This concern for Japanese sensibilities also led to the AVG being forced to construct facilities from scratch at Toungoo, Burma instead of using existing (and empty) RAF facilities. If Malaya is mobilizing to defend itself against Japanese invasion, and Hong Kong has been partially evacuated in expectation of such attack; there is little that can been seen as provocative in an AVG presence.

This source can help out Singapore
 
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