One thing to consider about the SS Automedon sinking. In OTL the information from the secret dispatches weren't a complete surprise to the Japanese. It did provide much confirmation of what their intelligence services had already discovered about the Allied defenses. Japanese planning was based on those combined information sources.

In this TL it's possible the same thing will happen. Imperial Japan staffers will formulate their plans based heavily on what their agents had learnt travelling in the targeted countries backstopped by the information recovered from the SS Automedon. Maybe this confidence will make the Japanese staff more likely to disregard or undervalue any new reports received through 1941 about the ATL improvements in the British defenses in Malaya. So the IJA and IJN don't see the need to modify their plans in response.
 
True that bag should've gone over the side...if the Atlantis had actually LOOKED liked a warship, been immediately identified as such, then the man who knew of the bag then ran from his location immediately (while ducking salvos of shell fire), survived long enough after opening the safe to get back on a deck while the ship's structure is being shelled and get it over the side. Instead he got killed right off apparently, and no one else knew.
Yeah, sometimes your luck just freaking sucks.
Now, as for whether or not such vital documents should've been shipped that way? Yeah, that WAS boneheaded...but all sides seemed to make boneheaded moves like that throughout the war. And we still do.

And yeup, Japan had truly excellent intelligence of British, Dominion, Dutch, and American defenses throughout the Pacific, but the fun fact was the Japanese Army and Navy thoroughly distrusted each other's intelligence while the government and military higher ups thoroughly distrusted the intelligence given by their subordinates (who where, after all, prone to lying to, disobeying, and assassinating superiors they disagreed with). Thus having such an ironclad intelligence confirmation supplied by their enemy's own strategic assessment was a serious prize!
 
One thing to consider about the SS Automedon sinking. In OTL the information from the secret dispatches weren't a complete surprise to the Japanese. It did provide much confirmation of what their intelligence services had already discovered about the Allied defenses. Japanese planning was based on those combined information sources.

In this TL it's possible the same thing will happen. Imperial Japan staffers will formulate their plans based heavily on what their agents had learnt travelling in the targeted countries backstopped by the information recovered from the SS Automedon. Maybe this confidence will make the Japanese staff more likely to disregard or undervalue any new reports received through 1941 about the ATL improvements in the British defenses in Malaya. So the IJA and IJN don't see the need to modify their plans in response.
Good point. If one reads the official Japanese monography on the push to the South, the Automedon incident doesn't even get mentioned and plans for an invasion of Malaya were already formulated beforehand.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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Good point. If one reads the official Japanese monography on the push to the South, the Automedon incident doesn't even get mentioned and plans for an invasion of Malaya were already formulated beforehand.
Hi HJ Tulp

Depends on what you mean by plans, certainly both historically and in this timeline, Japan covets Malaya, as part of its suggested move towards South East Asia, but in both, there is no firm commitment to war, and take the colony by force as yet, and hence a war plan.
 
MWI 40111204 Taranto

Fatboy Coxy

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1940, Tuesday 12 November;

Recently promoted Lieutenant Roger King looked out to his right, the Stringbag in front was dropping away, losing height, her prop slowing, ‘Christ, engine failure’ he thought, it was one of the bombers, Morford and Greene, he hoped they’d be alright, that just leaves seven of us now. He rolled his shoulders trying to shake off the cold that was creeping in, rechecked his instrument panel again, and then refocused on the aircraft in front, lit under the three quarters moon. He called his navigator; Willis was moaning about the stink the extra fuel tank was making. Strapped into the navigator’s cockpit, between them, Willis was now in the rear gunner’s seat, the fumes flowed straight at him.

They must have been about 60 miles away, but up here at 8,000ft, Taranto could be seen, laying under a low green glow, with small white twinkling of flak bursts, despite the first wave having already left. ‘Bloody ell’ he thought, they’ve right stirred up a hornet’s nest, how will we get through that. Talk was his CO, Hale had bet with Williamson, CO of 815 FAA as to who took the first wave, and lost, 819 FAA was the second wave, just our luck he reflected.

They were close to the harbour now, the two-flare carrying Stringbag’s had peeled off and each dropped a line of eight flares, the anti-aircraft fire intensified in response. King’s orders, like the rest of the second wave was to target what you could, very loose, allowing them to take whatever opportunity that offered. He climbed a couple of thousand feet, and then dived down, the Mar Grande, where the battleships were anchored, the bomb armed Swordfish heading for the Mar Piccolo, where the cruisers and destroyers were anchored, along with the oil tank farm and seaplane base.

Suddenly a huge silver-grey object appeared, he threw the plane sideways, a barrage balloon, they were expected but he’d thought he see them sooner. The plane shuddered, then slide to the side, the balloon disappearing from sight. Taranto city lay on his left, the Mar Grande on his right, his altitude falling fast. Fingers of tracer reached out, trying to touch them, King jinked the plane, the lines of tracer soaring high and wide. He was getting very low now, the sea rushing up to him, time to straighten out, he needed to be level to drop the ‘Fish’, and easing back on the throttle he reduced speed. The Mar Grande lay open in front of him, the fortifications of San Pietro in front of him, an island ablaze with AA fire, tracers weaving their way up into the nights sky in numerous directions.

He scanned across the bay, nearly everything was to his right, the ships silhouettes showing in the moonlight, the flashes from gun barrels and searchlights helping highlight them in the confusion. Pulling on the stick, the biplane swung a wide turn round to the right, a particularly large grey monster appearing in his sights. He checked his speed, easing back a little more, avoid the stall, but slow as he could, looking over the fuselage, the waves looked about right. Tracers from the battleship now reached out for him, but flew by, too high, he was below the minimum level of depression on the gun mountings.

He steadied himself, he could feel his heart pounding, steady, keep her steady, aim amidships, 1500 yds, a bit longer, wait for it, 1200 yds, now. The 1,548 pounds of a Mark XII 18-inch torpedo dropped free, a strand of wire briefly holding her nose up, causing the torpedo to belly flop, instead of dive, her motor running, the weight loss causing the Swordfish to rise dramatically up in the air, the plane gaining speed.

A tremendously loud bang, the plane vibrating to the impact, the controls heavy in his hand, they’d been hit. He took the plane lower, swinging right, dropping under the flak again, wiggling the controls, he found he only had partial movement one way. He tilted a wing down, sliding, he could keep her flying straight now. Looking around, the harbour entrance appeared on his right, and he edged her round, the boom-gate vessel, passing across his sight. He straightened again, and opened the throttle, calling for maximum revs, the old girl responding, speed picking up. A few singing bullets whistled by, a bang, a thin renting tear, as he flew through a machine gun’s line of fire, and then suddenly, there was nothing in front, just the moonlight reflecting off the glassy waves, the cacophony of battle receding behind them, alone.

Willis began to speak in his headset, ‘well done old boy, I thought we were going to buy it at least a couple of times there, I don’t know how anyone could get out of that alive, I didn’t see anyone else after we dived down into the harbour. I have our course setting, steer…’. King turned on the new heading, his mind numb with exhaustion, the adrenalin rush gone, he felt drained. Sighting, firstly, a leading destroyer, Willis on the signal lamp giving the right callsign, then the rest of the fleet, the carrier, ‘Lusty’ waiting for them. King landed the aircraft, and was quickly taxied over to one of the lifts, the effort of flying removed, the tiredness allowing melancholy thoughts, everyone lost, nothing hit, a complete waste.

The lift began its decent, the wings on the Stringbag folded back, the red lights of night time working greeted them, and the hanger was packed, fitters and riggers crawling over Swordfish everywhere, pilots cat calling out, ‘here you are, late again, as usual’, ‘we missed dinner for you’, and the more direct ‘glad to have you chaps back’ straight from the heart. A debrief for him and Willis, the news, two aircraft hadn’t returned, his own groundcrew proudly showing off the damage on the Swordfish, the holes, torn metal, missing parts, breakfast, and the bed, and an exhausted sleep.

The plan had first been aired back in the days of the Abyssinian Crisis, revisited during the German annexation of Austria, both times the crew of HMS Glorious was central to the plan. With the arrival in the Med, of HMS Illustrious in September 1940, came Rear Admiral Lumley Lyster, former Captain of HMS Glorious, and architect of the plan. Cunningham, always wanting to take the initiative, quickly had him revisit the plan again, and despite several knockbacks, and planned within a greater plan of numerous operations designed to disguise their approach, the raid was launched. Two waves, 12 aircraft in the first, 9 in the second, with a mix of torpedoes, bombs, or bombs and flares in each wave.

Both waves had one aircraft shot down, while one of the second wave had to abort before take off due to a collision, and a second after take off due to an unseated fuel tank.
The older battleship Conte di Cavour was sunk, sitting on the bottom, only her superstructure and main armament remaining above water, another older battleship Duilio, was saved from sinking by running her aground, while the new battleship Litttorio, also run aground to save her from sinking, was left with her bows totally submerged. The following day, the undamaged ships of the Italian fleet left, for Naples, until Taranto could be made secure from attack, approximately six months’ time. A major victory for the British, a massive blow to the Regia Marina, and a very informative lesson for a third party, an idea to be developed and worked on.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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Bit of a change in writing style, but apart from the fictitious Roger King and his observer, who you will hear about again, much later, everything should be as was historically.

If your interested in reading more on Taranto, may I suggest a visit to this web site, which is excellent, and very informative
https://www.armouredcarriers.com/operation-judgement-swordfish-attack-taranto-from-hms-illustrious

This pilot flew in the mission, a great story to listen to, especially reel 14
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80024832
 
War in a Stringbag by Charles Lamb is the classic. He survived the sinking of Courageous, was at Taranto and with the Illustrious and then in the desert in Swordfish
 
MWI 40111417 The Arrival Of The New Leadeship Team

Fatboy Coxy

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1940, Thursday 14 November;

The BOAC Short Empire flying boat banked, straighten up and began her landing onto the waters at the mouth of the Kallang River, Singapore. A small launch was waiting to guide her to her moorings, where she was quickly secured. On board was Lord Gort, the commander of the newly formed Far East Command, and his two new commanders for Malaya Command and RAF Far East. For all three their appointments brought mixed feelings.

For Gort, ever since he had landed back in England from Dunkirk, he’d felt he’d been made a scapegoat. Churchill hated him, of that he was certain, and this was his fate, exiled to the other side of the world, into some useless command that would only gain notice for the wrong reasons, which was if Japan attacked, and he’d again be left holding the baby. When he first got the invite to meet Dill, he’d expected it wouldn’t be good news but he’d never thought they would send him off to such a backwater. Dill had been decent about it all though, patiently explaining to him the importance of the command, pointing out Gort’s qualities in being able to get on with people, calling him the saviour of the BEF, and if a difficult decision had to be taken, he had the balls to call it. He’d had the good grace to thank Dill, and accepted the position, but at the same time had told him, he expected Dill’s support in changing things there, which Dill had assured him he would get.

For Air Vice Marshal Keith Park, there was still anger at the way he’d been treated, the dirty politics that had seen him removed, mostly at the hands of back stabbing William Sholto Douglas and that obnoxious side kick of his Trafford Leigh-Mallory who would give up his own mother for advancement. When Portal had called him up to his office, he knew something was in the air. Portal had been blunt and straight to the point, the Battle of Britain was over, and it was time to start thinking of going over to the offensive. A new man, with new ideas was what was wanted, they’d seen the future already, the big wing, Park hadn’t really listened to any more, that was it, Leigh Mallory had his job. Portal had then gone on to talk about a new role for him, RAF Far East, his new command, if he chose to accept it, which had few men and fewer aircraft. He’d accepted, said he would be delighted, wasn’t sure if Portal got the sarcasm, the Command was a mess, and it was a banishment! The only good thing was he would be well away from them and their intrigues, but he’d found it hard saying goodbye to Dowding, who, they both now knew, could only have a few weeks left in his own job.

For newly promoted Lt Gen (Acting) Arthur Percival, on reflection, it was a mixed blessing. He had so wanted an active command and had been pleased to be given command of the 44th Infantry Division in July, but on meeting his mentor Dill, he’d been offered this post, Dill telling him he didn’t think there was anyone better suited to the role, and he was confident Percival would make a good show of it all. Percival felt he couldn’t do anything but accept, the promotion to Lieutenant General was exhilarating, as was the responsibility he’d been given. But later, as he appreciated how poor Malaya Command was, came the apprehension. This was more than just a division needing training, this was a Command that needed building from the bottom up

The time travelling in the plane on the long flight legs, and the overnight stop overs, together had been helpful in building a bond between them all. Percival had met Gort a number of times when serving as Dill’s I Corps BGS in France and impressed him, with his knowledge of detail, something Gort loved. Now in discussion he found him courteous, and more importantly despite his unassuming appearance, he was clearly efficient and well organised, and showed a great knowledge of Malaya. And surprisingly enthusiastic, which certainly helped with Gort’s spirits.

All three of them had been at the Somme, and it somehow added to the bond, members of an exclusive club, survivors who were stronger for it. And when Park found out Gort held a Pilot’s Licence, their relationship changed into a friendship, as they spent many hours discussing the joys of flying.

The big fuselage door swung open, and a small ladder fixed, the launch waiting below. Quickly they found themselves quayside, where Admiral Layton was waiting to greet them all. He’d already arranged cars and hotel rooms, and an easy itinerary, including dinner tomorrow night and a round of golf Saturday morning for the four of them. An easy start but all three would want to be in their offices first thing on Monday morning, getting to know their new commands.
 
Really interesting and nice writing. IMHO good choices and dynamics for TTL. The big problem as in OTL is the division of control. The Navy are reporting to and taking orders from the Admiralty in London. The Governor and Civil Administration are getting their instructions from the Foreign Office.
ITTL there is one year to cut that Gordian Knot and get a unified central command that can actually achieve its aims. For Gort, Park and Percival that needs to be at the centre of their agender IMVHO if Singapore and Malaya are to have a better defence than OTL.
 
Ironically Churchill admired Gort quite a bit and kept wanting to employ him in various places. He was in charge during the siege of Malta and IIRC at Gibraltar as well.
 
With regards to Percival, not everything that happened during the Battle of Malaya and beforehand was his fault, but he didn't help; IMO, he does appear to have been a good subordinate commander (I doubt he would have been appointed to command if he weren't, IMO), but he was not qualified for a leadership role...
 
With regards to Percival, not everything that happened during the Battle of Malaya and beforehand was his fault, but he didn't help; IMO, he does appear to have been a good subordinate commander (I doubt he would have been appointed to command if he weren't, IMO), but he was not qualified for a leadership role...
I think the issues with Percival and his record in command was several fold

He was I think promoted above his then talent - lot of it about in WW2 - better commanders were needed were there was actual fighting - but thee ris only one way of becoming a good commander at a particular level and that is doing it - there is no real short cut.

He was fully aware of the foibles and fortes of his command and was aware of what was required for the defence of the Peninsular having helped write it - and fully aware that he did not have it!

Therefore he was probably conscious that he was going to lose Malaya and Singapore a major colony and one can only imagine the disgrace he would have felt of being the man in that position.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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Really interesting and nice writing. IMHO good choices and dynamics for TTL. The big problem as in OTL is the division of control. The Navy are reporting to and taking orders from the Admiralty in London. The Governor and Civil Administration are getting their instructions from the Foreign Office.
ITTL there is one year to cut that Gordian Knot and get a unified central command that can actually achieve its aims. For Gort, Park and Percival that needs to be at the centre of their agender IMVHO if Singapore and Malaya are to have a better defence than OTL.
Thank you

Yes, it was a mess. But possibly having replaced Shelton Thomas with Andrew Caldecott will provide a better civil - military relationship, we'll have to see how that works out.

I think it was the Colonial Office that the Governor reported to.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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Ironically Churchill admired Gort quite a bit and kept wanting to employ him in various places. He was in charge during the siege of Malta and IIRC at Gibraltar as well.
Was it Churchill, or was it AlanBrooke, who did work hard at resurrecting the careers of a number of failed officers, for them to go on and do good work
 

Fatboy Coxy

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With regards to Percival, not everything that happened during the Battle of Malaya and beforehand was his fault, but he didn't help; IMO, he does appear to have been a good subordinate commander (I doubt he would have been appointed to command if he weren't, IMO), but he was not qualified for a leadership role...
Personally, I find good and bad in him, a main theme that knocks him seems to be about his personality, for not being aggressive, pushy, having a physical presence, showmanship even. Well they had Bennett, who had all of that. I don't think just changing Percival would have changed anything in the outcome, what was needed, was a lot of changes, which, hopefully I will provide in this timeline. The other reason why I haven't changed him, is I couldn't really find a reason why he shouldn't have been chosen by Dill, other than resorting to hindsight.
 
Was it Churchill, or was it AlanBrooke, who did work hard at resurrecting the careers of a number of failed officers, for them to go on and do good work
IIRC it was Churchill. Alanbrooke wanted very little to do with him, after serving under him in France.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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I think the issues with Percival and his record in command was several fold

He was I think promoted above his then talent - lot of it about in WW2 - better commanders were needed were there was actual fighting - but thee ris only one way of becoming a good commander at a particular level and that is doing it - there is no real short cut.
I agree, part of the expansion of the British Army was the promotion of officers into commands before they had properly learnt, or proved capable of commanding at the rank below. Later Generals had the opportunity to work their way up, providing them with a good grounding, ie Miles Dempsey, Geoffry Scones, Philip Christison.
He was fully aware of the foibles and fortes of his command and was aware of what was required for the defence of the Peninsular having helped write it - and fully aware that he did not have it!

Therefore he was probably conscious that he was going to lose Malaya and Singapore a major colony and one can only imagine the disgrace he would have felt of being the man in that position.
I think he knew what to do in general terms, but was totally unable to inspire any confidence in his subordinates, both Heath and Bennett badly disagreed with him. But when you first have the shock of the loss of the Prince of Wales and Repulse, and that was a huge blow to morale for all, just read about Churchills thoughts, on the other side of the world, for that, and then the almost complete collapse of the RAF, he was left horribly exposed. I don't think he thought along the lines of personal disgrace, until maybe after it was over, He tried to do his best, but every attempt to change up something just blew back in his face, and the pace of the Japanese operations was far too fast for pretty much everyone . I'm surprised he didn't break under the strain of it all, or maybe he did, just went into his shell.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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IIRC it was Churchill. Alanbrooke wanted very little to do with him, after serving under him in France.
Ah, wished I'd have known that earlier, I'd have written that piece a little differently, So maybe he's happy to go to Singapore now, with Churchills blessing, extracting a promise of help from him,... mmm I like that
 
Ah, wished I'd have known that earlier, I'd have written that piece a little differently, So maybe he's happy to go to Singapore now, with Churchills blessing, extracting a promise of help from him,... mmm I like that
Churchill - and I really need to get a few books out to confirm this - did admire Gort as a fighting general. The man won the Military Cross, the Distinguished Service order and two bars (meaning in effect three DSOs!) and the Victoria Cross in the First World War.
It can be argued that he was overpromoted to the post of CIGS and that he was not a good commander of the BEF (only Monty's 3rd Division seems to have carried out anything like the right amount of exercises and war games) but he was absolutely right to do what he did to get the BEF back to Dunkirk once it became clear that it was Dunkirk or death & capitulation. Given a clear task, proper support and the right advice he was an excellent commander of Malta IIRC.
A field command in Malaya should be interesting.
 
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