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Maryland is a state that honestly can't Secede because then D.C. is surrounded and could easily fall. Though having to move the capital back to Philadelphia could galvanize the Union just that much more.
Maryland is a state that honestly can't Secede because then D.C. is surrounded and could easily fall. Though having to move the capital back to Philadelphia could galvanize the Union just that much more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayuse_War another war that could sprial
Southern unionist didn't care about slavery, they were loyalist people loyal to Washington not to richmond. Most unionist were not anti slavery, but they never turned on the union when Lincoln did the emancipation proclamation. 250,000 union troops were southerners and most came less slave owning areas.if they think they're right to slavery is threatened then they will have a problem
British newspapers were not covering it, this especially about a war that entire poing is about slavery is being covered, who ever works with confederates will lose the election.They didn't have any trouble buying cotton produced with slavery during 80 years.
Colorado War, Sand Creek Massacre and the Sioux War of 1865[edit]D.C. almost fell in OTL. The governor of Maryland cut the telegraph lines and secessionists destroyed the railway. D.C. was isolated, with only three units to defend it. Winfield Scott was actually organizing clerks into militias for a last stand, while Lincoln despaired. But of course, Johnson didn't act and Butler achieved a rare victory by repairing the railway and pouring troops into Washington by land and sea. I don't think Maryland could outright secede, but troubles like that could continue happening.
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Southern unionist didn't care about slavery, they were loyalist people loyal to Washington not to richmond. Most unionist were not anti slavery, but they never turned on the union when Lincoln did the emancipation proclamation. 250,000 union troops were southerners and most came less slave owning areas.
'Most of the white Southerners who chose to join the Union Army lived in the Confederacy’s border states and the Deep South’s relatively poor “white counties,” which were too infertile to support plantation agriculture. As a result, they had few if any black residents, either slaves or freedmen. White counties were concentrated in but not confined to the Appalachian Mountains—western Virginia, eastern Kentucky, western North Carolina, eastern Tennessee, northern Georgia, and northern Alabama. Many Southern Unionists in these states shared Northerners’ hatred of the region’s aristocratic, slave-owning oligarchy."
"So strong was pro-Union sentiment in mountainous North Alabama and adjoining East Tennessee that it was proposed the two regions unite to form a new loyal state called Nickajack. Representatives from 26 counties in East Tennessee’s mountainous, grain-growing and stock-raising region agreed to secede from Tennessee. Their petition to do so was rejected by the state legislature, and Confederate troops were sent to occupy East Tennessee to prevent its secession. In East Tennessee the vast majority of whites owned no slaves, and Union supporters outnumbered Confederate supporters. The majority of Confederate soldiers did not own slaves."
@Red_Galiray yes but you forget Egypt produces cotton enough in fact to supply all of the UK and the rest of europe with the confederates.
British newspapers were not covering it, this especially about a war that entire poing is about slavery is being covered, who ever works with confederates will lose the election.
Many british disliked the usa but also hated slavery more, you can hate both sides but one more than the other. Also alot of pro-confederate believed the south could be reformed to get ride of slavery. Also crimean war was kinda important so people attention were else where. I also doubt pro confederacy, majority werr pro union only stuff like the trent affair did public opinion turn against union as they caused problems.By then it was too late to turn against Washington. Besides, aside from the initial boost, these states would be quickly retaken by the Union. My point is, had things been different, the border south could have joined the Confederacy. It would have been unlikely, they wouldn't have worked closely with Richmond and probably a West Virginia like situation could have arisen. But it's not impossible. And while the Confederacy did fight for slavery, the common soldiers fought not because of slavery, but to maintain white supremacy and defend their homes. Even if they don't like slavery, if they think an army of John Browns ready to kill and murder is marching, they would join the Confederacy.
Britain obtained 80% of its cotton from the US South, and the Egyptian cotton boom happened after the start of the war.
You are giving way too much importance to the US and slavery. Many Britons were friendly to the Confederates. Motions to recognize them almost passed many times. Most newspapers covered the war, seeing the Union as hypocrites and even rotting for the Confederacy. Punch, for example, ran several cartoons deploring Lincoln as a tyrant, and saying that the Confederacy would win as late as January 1865. And it was well known that the US employed slavery, and they were criticized for it. But that didn't stop trade.
Many british disliked the usa but also hated slavery more, you can hate both sides but one more than the other. Also alot of pro-confederate believed the south could be reformed to get ride of slavery. Also crimean war was kinda important so people attention were else where.
You just brought up king cotton britain was already prepared for the conflict with a surplus, and then britain told the empire to give cotton which it did, no south cotton will do nothing to britain if willcjust go to the empire for cotton, which it did so how would it be any differenct here.
history is full of surprises and that in to in the realm of impossible this is not like sea lion invasion this is more like Germany being able trick the British and what about earleir ghost dance movementAnd many more just didn't care. At the end of the day, states were guided by realpolitick, not by ideology or moral concerns. And the second is just another argument against British intervention.
Look, my main objective is making an interesting and realistic timeline, in that order. I don't want foreign intervention. I think it's even less likely than the Border South joining the Confederacy, and would make everything much more complicated, and result in a bloated and difficult to follow Timeline. But since that's been ruled out, the only way of preventing the Confederacy from being defeated in three months is making the Border South join. It's possible, though not likely. But I'm willing to accept a little implausibility for the sake of a more interesting story.
Oh, you are on about foreign intervene i thought this was about international relations during the war both me and you were talking about two different things then, sorry for the mistake 4 am here. I stopped with foreign intervene at the smash memes, so we ended up for half a page talking about two different things.Look, my main objective is making an interesting and realistic timeline, in that order. I don't want foreign intervention. I think it's even less likely than the Border South joining the Confederacy, and would make everything much more complicated, and result in a bloated and difficult to follow Timeline. But since that's been ruled out, the only way of preventing the Confederacy from being defeated in three months is making the Border South join. It's possible, though not likely. But I'm willing to accept a little implausibility for the sake of a more interesting story.
glad we got that sortedOh you are on about foreign intervene i thought this was about international relations during the war both me and you were talking about two different things then, sorry for the mistake 4 am here. I stopped with foreign intervene at the smash memes, so we ended up for half a page talking about two different things.
history is full of surprises and that in to in the realm of impossible this is not like sea lion invasion this is more like Germany being able trick the British and what about earleir ghost dance movement
Oh, you are on about foreign intervene i thought this was about international relations during the war both me and you were talking about two different things then, sorry for the mistake 4 am here. I stopped with foreign intervene at the smash memes, so we ended up for half a page talking about two different things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Dance#History this is some context but this shows it was starting in 1869 and just have it start earlier than straight away the prophet then we are goodExactly! ...Sorry, I'm not familiar with that movement, but Wikipedia says it developed in 1890. What could happen if it developed earlier?
I mean, they are closely related. But anyway, I think I'll have no direct foreign intervention, and Border South secession in order to have a longer and better story.
Trust me we were on two different wave lengths here, not once did i think this was linked to foerign intervene i thought it was about how effective king cotton was. I was well passed french intervention, i thought this be a new conversation, discussing the merits of cotton, british politics.I mean, they are closely related
Trust me we were on two different wave lengths here, not once did i think this was linked to foerign intervene i thought it was about how effective king cotton was. I was well passed french intervention, i thought this be a new conversation, discussing the merits of cotton, british politics.
now that settled is the update tomorrowI... weren't we? Haha. I thought we were. Let's leave it at that though.
now that settled is the update tomorrow