Why the Chinese play cricket (The Pax Imperialis)
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Oh and the US ITTL ships
Pennsylvania class BB
24,000 ton 8 x 14" 12" belt 21 knots
- Pennsylvania
- Arizona = Sunk Jutland
- Tennessee
- California
- Colorado
- Maryland
- Washington
- West Virginia
- South Dakota
- Indiana
- Arizona
- Mississippi
- Idaho
New Mexico class BB
Greek Salamis class
- New Mexico
Abraham Lincoln class CC
26,000 tons 8 x 14" 6" belt 27 knots
- Abraham Lincoln
- Thomas Jefferson = Sunk Jutland
- Ulysses Grant
- John Adams
James Monroe class CC
28,000 tons 8 x 14" 9" belt 27 knots
- James Monroe
- Andrew Jackson
- Thomas Jefferson
- George Washington
- Rutherford Hayes
- James Buchanan
Pennsylvania class BB
24,000 ton 8 x 14" 12" belt 21 knots
- Pennsylvania
- Arizona = Sunk Jutland
- Tennessee
- California
- Colorado
- Maryland
- Washington
- West Virginia
- South Dakota
- Indiana
- Arizona
- Mississippi
- Idaho
New Mexico class BB
Greek Salamis class
- New Mexico
Abraham Lincoln class CC
26,000 tons 8 x 14" 6" belt 27 knots
- Abraham Lincoln
- Thomas Jefferson = Sunk Jutland
- Ulysses Grant
- John Adams
James Monroe class CC
28,000 tons 8 x 14" 9" belt 27 knots
- James Monroe
- Andrew Jackson
- Thomas Jefferson
- George Washington
- Rutherford Hayes
- James Buchanan
Yippie, the peace sorted. And it's not your grandfather's peace. A very different world indeed.
Will fascism rise in the interim and become the growing political thought until Ittl's ww2
The swarms of killer butterflies are still far too thick to say. If it does, it's rise and likely nature, will be nothing like the OTL. And it's far from certain there even will be a 2nd WW. There is going to be another major war. If you look carefully you can already see it's inevitable, where it's going to be fought and who it'll be between. But if it's a world war, I can't say.
what are French casualties looking like right now my guess is somewhere around 600000-800000 mark
A lost generation again for France.
The US is likely going to have one too. The French are on the ropes. It's absolutely clear, even with the US, they'll be out for the count by the end of 1916. This leaves the US to fight the Western front pretty much alone.
The US has something like 4 times more people though and Germanies manpower situation must not be looking pretty
Well the US will have several teething troubles. French tutoring will help but all those draftees will suffer in the trenches.
World population 1907
Russia = 151,000,000
US = 87,000,000
Germany = 67,000,000
Austria-Hungary = 50,000,000
France = 38,343,000
Ottoman Empire = 20,800,000
Balkans League* = 8,384,000
Romania = 6,630,000
Norway = 2,325,000
* Bulgaria, Greece, Montenegro and Serbia combined.
I haven't got the French colonial empire, but it probably at least equals France.
Plus on top of all that, ITTL, US industrial growth has been a little stunted due to British investment in the Empire. But still ahead of Germany. However unlike the OTL where the Entente paid for the US to build a massive arms industry, the US arms industry ITTL is essentially non existent. Yes they will build one, but it will take time. Then you get to add on the blockade has only just started and the Entente ITTL has nowhere near the mussel the British did to get the neutrals to play the game.
Yes the US has the men and industry to win it, but it is most definitely not a walk over. And a lot of doughboys will die.
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Unfortunately US military command at this time was rather arrogant and tended to believe in good old fashioned frontal assaults.
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So the American's experience of the western front is going to look like the worst battles of the American Civil War, then great just great.
Sadly the US experience on the Western front will make Antietam and Gettysburg look like a tea parties.
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Sweet Jesus. So will the British join in on the war just as it closes out to say yes we fought in the war and using our massive and mostly fresh armed forces are going to take a bunch of colonies?
Spoilers dear. All I will say is the Great War was obscene slaughter on an industrial scale in the OTL and it is in this one too. The US facing several years of it is going to be changed out of all recognition. In many ways, the US and Britain have switched places ITTL. That's not saying the British will enter the war because unlike the US, they're seeing it close up. They can hear the artillery in London, and doubtless, there are a lot of British doctors and nurses in France.
This war was fun to write, but always in the back of my mind was "this is obscene"
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1916a
~January to March 1916: A gathering storm
January 1916: With German submarine operations being severely restricted by the long transit times around Britain, the Germans begin employing resupply ships in the Atlantic.
January 1916: Denmark begins purchasing modern weapons to reequip their army and lay down three modern submarines.
January 1916: With the disastrous performance of the USN battlecruisers at Jutland, there are vocal calls for the four under construction to be cancelled. However as ships are urgently required, the Ulysses Grant and John Adams nearing completion are continued with improvements to their flash protection. The James Monroe and Andrew Jackson however are cancelled and reordered as 28,000 ton ships with 9" armour patterned after the Japanese Kongo class.
January 1916: With the disastrous fate of the pre-dreadnoughts at Jutland, the German admiralty order all but four disarmed and their guns used as artillery. The four retained are deployed as coast defence ships in the Baltic.
January 1916: The American Expeditionary Force under General Frederick Funston begins arriving in France. The French, their army exhausted by two and a half years of futile offensives call for them to be deployed to reinforce their depleted units. The US however refuses as these troops still lack training and equipment. They demand US forces only be deployed as a single force when properly trained.
January 1916: To make good the losses from Jutland and strengthen their fleet, the Germans begin a building program with four battleships and four battlecruisers of a new powerful design.
January 1916: A joint French, Japanese and US naval commission is formed to investigate the lessons of Jutland.
January 1916: The Central Powers meet in Salzburg to discuss strategy. After the uncoordinated efforts of 1915 the Germans demand a unified command under their leadership. With the Ottomans near collapse and the Austro-Hungarians dependant on German support, both have no option but to accept. The strategy decided is to hold against the Russians, instead concentrating on finally secure the Balkans. The Germans will also launch an offensive at Reims to break the French army before US troops arrive in strength.
January 1916: The referendum in Portugal restores Manuel II to the throne.
January 1916: Having suffered immense losses and widespread food shortages due to the Danish and Turkish Straits being closed, Russian civilian morale is collapsing. Strikes and food riots have become common. Desperate to reopen the Turkish Straits, the Russians again request the Balkans League allow a Russian offensive against Constantinople.
January 1916: The Central Powers begin negotiations with Romania regarding entering the war, promising them Bessarabia and Moldova in return for their entry into the war.
February 1916: The Germans begin stripping forces from the Eastern front for their offensive against Reims.
February 1916: A serious accident on the RN battlecruiser Indefatigable during a firing exercise results in a turret flash causing the catastrophic loss of the ship with only three survivors. The subsequent investigation will result in far reaching changes to RN ammunition handling as well as change in focus from rate of fire to accuracy.
February 1916: The Gaige Chinese introduce universal compulsory primary education. The Gaige ambassador in London, Duke Zaitian, is able to secure British loans to fund this, stressing it will increase the return of British investments.
February 1916: The German offensive in west begins with a diversionary attack on the Sambre aimed at drawing off French reserves.
February 1916: A permanent subcommittee is formed by the ICC to select suitable players for an All Empire touring team to promote the game outside the Empire. These tours will be irregular, however one to the Netherlands is to be arranged for 1917.
February 1916: Hussein bin Ali's irregulars takes Medina, further damaging Ottoman prestige.
February 1916: The North Sea Fleet now includes 9 US, 5 French, and 2 Japanese dreadnoughts along with 4 Japanese battlecruisers. 3 US, 1 French and 1 Japanese battleships plus the Abraham Lincoln still undergoing repairs from Jutland. They are faced by 11 German battleships and 3 battlecruisers of the High Seas Fleet, with 3 battleships and 2 battlecruisers still undergoing repairs. The Entente fleet's cruiser strength has also increased considerably by new US and Japanese cruisers. However, as US Admiral Fisher is following a Mahanian strategy, seeking a decisive battle with the High Seas Fleet, the blockade of Germany is not preventing German disguised raiders and submarine depot ships reaching the Atlantic.
February 1916: The Sikorsky S-22 Ilya Muromets enters licensed production in France. Over time, multi-engined bombers will replace airships for strategic bombing.
February 1916: With the Bulgarians near collapse, the Balkans League finally agree to form a unified command and coordinate their efforts. Greek troops are deployed to reinforce the Serbs while further French troops are to strengthen the Bulgarians. The League also finally consents to a Russian offensive against Constantinople.
March 1916: The main German offensive in the west begins with a drive to capture Reims. The French line buckles under the assault and they are forced back toward the city.
March 1916: The Greeks launch an offensive in Edirne. The Ottomans withdraw troops from Bulgaria to hold the line.
March 1916: Four Russian divisions are deployed to Norway, allowing the French divisions to be withdrawn to strengthen the defence at Reims.
March 1916: The British Motor Corp begins testing its first tracked armoured fighting vehicles. The tests are conducted in great secrecy with the vehicles referred to as tanks to conceal their nature. The trials prove disappointing with the vehicles being extremely unreliable and exhausting to operate. However the it is considered the vehicles show sufficient promise to continue development.
March 1916: The conversion of the Hermes is completed. She begins trials with an airgroup of three Sopwith Pups and three Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutters.
March 1916: The Russian Sixth Army under General Alexey Kaledin arrives in Bulgaria for the offensive against Constantinople.
March 1916: The British break Russian diplomatic codes.
March 1916: With the South American dreadnought race resuming, Argentina orders a 23,000 ton ship armed with ten 14" guns from Italy.
March 1916: The South Africans agree to establish a navy of three cruisers, eight destroyers and four submarines to be built in domestic yards. As with the other Dominions, the British supply two cruisers for training purposes.
March 1916: The Austro-Hungarians and Germans begin their offensive against the Bulgarians aimed at finally taking the rail line to Constantinople. However, the reinforced Bulgarians hold, inflicting heavy casualties.
January 1916: With German submarine operations being severely restricted by the long transit times around Britain, the Germans begin employing resupply ships in the Atlantic.
January 1916: Denmark begins purchasing modern weapons to reequip their army and lay down three modern submarines.
January 1916: With the disastrous performance of the USN battlecruisers at Jutland, there are vocal calls for the four under construction to be cancelled. However as ships are urgently required, the Ulysses Grant and John Adams nearing completion are continued with improvements to their flash protection. The James Monroe and Andrew Jackson however are cancelled and reordered as 28,000 ton ships with 9" armour patterned after the Japanese Kongo class.
January 1916: With the disastrous fate of the pre-dreadnoughts at Jutland, the German admiralty order all but four disarmed and their guns used as artillery. The four retained are deployed as coast defence ships in the Baltic.
January 1916: The American Expeditionary Force under General Frederick Funston begins arriving in France. The French, their army exhausted by two and a half years of futile offensives call for them to be deployed to reinforce their depleted units. The US however refuses as these troops still lack training and equipment. They demand US forces only be deployed as a single force when properly trained.
January 1916: To make good the losses from Jutland and strengthen their fleet, the Germans begin a building program with four battleships and four battlecruisers of a new powerful design.
January 1916: A joint French, Japanese and US naval commission is formed to investigate the lessons of Jutland.
January 1916: The Central Powers meet in Salzburg to discuss strategy. After the uncoordinated efforts of 1915 the Germans demand a unified command under their leadership. With the Ottomans near collapse and the Austro-Hungarians dependant on German support, both have no option but to accept. The strategy decided is to hold against the Russians, instead concentrating on finally secure the Balkans. The Germans will also launch an offensive at Reims to break the French army before US troops arrive in strength.
January 1916: The referendum in Portugal restores Manuel II to the throne.
January 1916: Having suffered immense losses and widespread food shortages due to the Danish and Turkish Straits being closed, Russian civilian morale is collapsing. Strikes and food riots have become common. Desperate to reopen the Turkish Straits, the Russians again request the Balkans League allow a Russian offensive against Constantinople.
January 1916: The Central Powers begin negotiations with Romania regarding entering the war, promising them Bessarabia and Moldova in return for their entry into the war.
February 1916: The Germans begin stripping forces from the Eastern front for their offensive against Reims.
February 1916: A serious accident on the RN battlecruiser Indefatigable during a firing exercise results in a turret flash causing the catastrophic loss of the ship with only three survivors. The subsequent investigation will result in far reaching changes to RN ammunition handling as well as change in focus from rate of fire to accuracy.
February 1916: The Gaige Chinese introduce universal compulsory primary education. The Gaige ambassador in London, Duke Zaitian, is able to secure British loans to fund this, stressing it will increase the return of British investments.
February 1916: The German offensive in west begins with a diversionary attack on the Sambre aimed at drawing off French reserves.
February 1916: A permanent subcommittee is formed by the ICC to select suitable players for an All Empire touring team to promote the game outside the Empire. These tours will be irregular, however one to the Netherlands is to be arranged for 1917.
February 1916: Hussein bin Ali's irregulars takes Medina, further damaging Ottoman prestige.
February 1916: The North Sea Fleet now includes 9 US, 5 French, and 2 Japanese dreadnoughts along with 4 Japanese battlecruisers. 3 US, 1 French and 1 Japanese battleships plus the Abraham Lincoln still undergoing repairs from Jutland. They are faced by 11 German battleships and 3 battlecruisers of the High Seas Fleet, with 3 battleships and 2 battlecruisers still undergoing repairs. The Entente fleet's cruiser strength has also increased considerably by new US and Japanese cruisers. However, as US Admiral Fisher is following a Mahanian strategy, seeking a decisive battle with the High Seas Fleet, the blockade of Germany is not preventing German disguised raiders and submarine depot ships reaching the Atlantic.
February 1916: The Sikorsky S-22 Ilya Muromets enters licensed production in France. Over time, multi-engined bombers will replace airships for strategic bombing.
February 1916: With the Bulgarians near collapse, the Balkans League finally agree to form a unified command and coordinate their efforts. Greek troops are deployed to reinforce the Serbs while further French troops are to strengthen the Bulgarians. The League also finally consents to a Russian offensive against Constantinople.
March 1916: The main German offensive in the west begins with a drive to capture Reims. The French line buckles under the assault and they are forced back toward the city.
March 1916: The Greeks launch an offensive in Edirne. The Ottomans withdraw troops from Bulgaria to hold the line.
March 1916: Four Russian divisions are deployed to Norway, allowing the French divisions to be withdrawn to strengthen the defence at Reims.
March 1916: The British Motor Corp begins testing its first tracked armoured fighting vehicles. The tests are conducted in great secrecy with the vehicles referred to as tanks to conceal their nature. The trials prove disappointing with the vehicles being extremely unreliable and exhausting to operate. However the it is considered the vehicles show sufficient promise to continue development.
March 1916: The conversion of the Hermes is completed. She begins trials with an airgroup of three Sopwith Pups and three Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutters.
March 1916: The Russian Sixth Army under General Alexey Kaledin arrives in Bulgaria for the offensive against Constantinople.
March 1916: The British break Russian diplomatic codes.
March 1916: With the South American dreadnought race resuming, Argentina orders a 23,000 ton ship armed with ten 14" guns from Italy.
March 1916: The South Africans agree to establish a navy of three cruisers, eight destroyers and four submarines to be built in domestic yards. As with the other Dominions, the British supply two cruisers for training purposes.
March 1916: The Austro-Hungarians and Germans begin their offensive against the Bulgarians aimed at finally taking the rail line to Constantinople. However, the reinforced Bulgarians hold, inflicting heavy casualties.
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