1. Joan of York is eleven, she isnt eloping with anyone.
2. I thought we agreed not to kill of any more people in Edward IV’s family. It’s pointless to kill Eleanor off. It’s just something else we have to figure out.
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2. I thought we agreed not to kill of any more people in Edward IV’s family. It’s pointless to kill Eleanor off. It’s just something else we have to figure out.
Chapter 74 - Lessons
April 1473: In Austria, Emma of Burgundy learns how to ride a horse from her betrothed Maximilian, who is already an excellent jouster and rider even at the tender age of fourteen. Empress Eleanor is amused at the scene. The Emperor, on the other hand, not so much.
May 1473: In Hungary, Queen Katalin (Catherine) becomes pregnant again, to the utter shock and delight of her husband Matthias.
May 1473: In Hungary, Queen Katalin (Catherine) becomes pregnant again, to the utter shock and delight of her husband Matthias.
But she’s eleven and twelve year old’a weren’t eloping anyways.
Chapter 75 - An Accident
June 1473: After Emma of Burgundy falls off her horse during a ride with Maximilian, she is bedridden and forced to promise to give up on horseriding. She resents this promise and does not intend to keep it.
Chapter 76 - A Visitor
July 1473: To everyone's surprise, Maximilian refuses to leave Emma alone as she convalesces. And together, the two of them start plotting their next ride, since Emma is healthy and strong.
Eleven is below cannon age. Even in those days, it is literally illegal for them to get married. Also while girls did get married young they didn't do so at their own choosing but as pawns of their parents. You can say Joan was abducted by the widower. But then the King would not be taking it so lightly.
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Chapter 77 - A Very Tudor Scandal
June 1473: The new Countess of Richmond is found dead at the bottom of a stairwell. While it’s heavily rumored that Henry Tudor killed her, he hasn’t. She threw herself down the stairs after realizing the extent of Henry and Isabel’s relationship. However, no one but Henry knows that, so he flees his estates. Secretly sneaking into the Warwick household, he snatches up Isabel and her younger sister Eleanor. The trio manage to make it to Scotland, where Henry marries Eleanor and impregnates Isabel. Moreover, she confesses to Henry that she suspected that she was poisoned into a miscarriage. Furious, Henry declares he will murder George. Warwick is furious. Isabel is delighted. Eleanor is distressed. The King is panicked. Fortunately, Edward takes comfort in his wife’s arms.
July 1473: Edward offers Joan in exchange for Henry, Isabel, and Eleanor. The Scottish King refuses and, apparently, sends money and goods to the “true King and Queen of England”. Of course, James isn’t actually that invested in the affair, and no one is actually going to support what Edward calls, “an mad-man, an adulteress, a bastard, and a stolen child”.
August 1473: Queen Eleanor confides to her husband she is pregnant. Edward is pleasantly surprised but tries to reassure her that this time it should be successful. Edward and Eleanor spend extra time in prayer and devotion (@ordinarylittleme please don’t kill this child or it’s mother). Catherine de Navarre is married to the King of Castile.
Pregnancies:
Isabel Neville, due February 1474
Eleanor of Naples, due March 1474
Deaths:
Catherine Herbert, Countess of Richmond
Marriages:
Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond to Eleanor Neville
July 1473: Edward offers Joan in exchange for Henry, Isabel, and Eleanor. The Scottish King refuses and, apparently, sends money and goods to the “true King and Queen of England”. Of course, James isn’t actually that invested in the affair, and no one is actually going to support what Edward calls, “an mad-man, an adulteress, a bastard, and a stolen child”.
August 1473: Queen Eleanor confides to her husband she is pregnant. Edward is pleasantly surprised but tries to reassure her that this time it should be successful. Edward and Eleanor spend extra time in prayer and devotion (@ordinarylittleme please don’t kill this child or it’s mother). Catherine de Navarre is married to the King of Castile.
Pregnancies:
Isabel Neville, due February 1474
Eleanor of Naples, due March 1474
Deaths:
Catherine Herbert, Countess of Richmond
Marriages:
Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond to Eleanor Neville
Chapter 78 - Regency Problem
Portugal, July 1473: Margaret of York's attempt at being a new Phillipa of Lancaster is failing... horribly. While the Queen-dowager is, in no doubt, an intelligent and skilled politician, her lack of understanding of Portuguese politics finally shows when the first Cortes post-regency, are summoned. The Cortes, located in Tomar, who are headed by the Count of Monsanto, starts the union by refusing Margaret entry, due to her sex. Margaret is told that her husband, the Duke Ferdinand, is to be her representative. Margaret rails and the Courts are adjourned, until eventually a vote is passed by the members of the Cortes to allow Margaret entry. The Cortes officially starts on the eleventh of July, and Margaret starts on the wrong foot - immediately berating the present Fidalgos as to why she was denied entrance in the first place. As her answer, the Queen is presented with a young boy - who bears a striking similarity to her own son. Young Dinis of Beja is a scared, little boy who has been "convented" almost since he said his first word, but his father's ring on his small fingers and the collar around his little neck - bearing the symbols of the Orders of Santiago and Christ, that had belonged to his deceased father, the Duke of Viseu, cause a collective gasp in the room. Ferdinand of Braganza declares the churchmen that brought the young boy in traitors, but the Archbishop of Évora declares that Dinis, as the direct heir of young Duarte as the only other male-line Aviz, a direct insult to the Duke of Braganza, is heir to the Portuguese throne. Margaret is shocked when most of the nobles she thought obeyed her vote for the recognition.
Margaret's support of the Braganzan party, who represent the interests of the high nobility, has done much to coalesce the other important parties of Portugal - the lower nobility, much of the clergy, the colonialists, the merchants and even the jews under a single banner. Demands that Margaret support a new expedition in Africa to take the Rif, more investment in the colonies and naval expeditions all shock the Queen who feels helpless at it all. The Cortes adjourn, and Margaret returns to Lisbon with a new child in tow. Young Dinis of Beja is put under the Queen's custody "as mother of the realm" and as a royal companion for the King. Margaret hates the nobility, even more when the young child, who is still not old enough to understand who ordered half his family killed, clearly starts to see her as a mother figure, to the great displeasure of her husband, Fernando of Braganza, who had wanted to become the most powerful person in the realm by taking the Bejan lands. Duarte and Dinis, King and Heir, rapidly strike a friendship and both became close companions of each other.
Margaret, who wants make something out of the plate of nothing the Cortes handed her, sends a reprimanding letter to her brother, King Edward, who's tolls on the English Channel, that he now fully controls through Normandy, galvanized the merchant classes against her. She also places upon her husband the duty to organize a new expedition to expand Portuguese Ceuta into a Portuguese rift, something which the angry Duke finds great pleasure in. The Portuguese call on "Knights of Christ" for the endeavour and many men, especially from Flanders, England and France start to take the trip to Portugal to join the preparing armada.
France, September 1473: The Duke of Anjou, who isn't very interested in ruling France with an iron fist after the ending of his Iberian pet project, decides to share power with a regency council. The idea is welcomed by the Parliament of Paris and by both the Princes of the Church and Realm. Intending to be as unbiased as possible, the Duke declares that the regency council shall be organized thusly:
The six bishops involved in the coronation of the King - so the Archbishop of Reims, and the Bishops of Laon, Langres, Beauvais, Chalon and Nyon - and the seven "Great Peers" of France. While the traditional order of the great peers does not exist any longer, as many have been absorbed into the crown, the Duke, after consulting with the Archbishop of Reims, decides on these candidates - Himself, as Duke of Anjou, Prince of the Blood, Constable and Regent and another six - his cousin, the Duke of Lorraine, the Duke of Nevers, the Count of Angoulême, the King's grandfather, the Duke of Bourbon, a representative of the Duke of Brittany (who is himself, a child) and finally, and rather surprisingly, Charles, Duke of Flanders (previously Burgundy) is invited to take a seat at the council.
For Charles' english wife, is it a mere attempt at deepening the wedge between Charles and Edward, but Charles' feels honoured and pleased. He travels to Paris, where he is well received, despite jeers from the population, and he meets with the child King and Charles of Anjou. Soon, all those invited come and the "Great Council of the Kingdom" is formed. Despite having almost no practical power at all, Charles of Burgundy feels that his father's dream of becoming the preeminent Duke in France is once again possible, unlike his mother's aspirations of a pro-english independent state. Charles even inquires about having Burgundy proper returned to him, but his answer is a firm, if not hopeless no. Charles of Anjou and the Arbishop, the senior members of the council, declare that no lands shall be distributed from the royal domain until the King is old enough to aprove of it. Charles brings his own son, Philip, to Paris to become a companion of the King, something which is accepted at increases Burgundian popularity at court once again, and enters negotiations with his once foe, the Duke of Lorraine, to convince the rest of the regency to support a war of expansion into the Holy Roman Empire - for Charles, in the Netherlands, for Jean, in Alsace and Moselle.
The Council ratifies the marriage alliance with Portugal over the little Infanta Margarita and sends envoys to negotiate a new trade treaty with the Portuguese regency. The King's curriculum is heavily expanded and he is given the best education in Europe. Franco-Burgundian trade grows as Charles of Burgundy welcomes French products such as cereals, wine and minerals to his interior cities and ports and a new trade treaty is drafted with Savoy and the Swiss Confederation.
England, November 1473: Edmund, Duke of York, is brought down from his horse by a rioter in Rouen. The Lieutenant-General of Normandy falls on the floor, where he is smashed with rocks, axes and whatever tools the revolters have before his knights can save him. Edward, who had just arrived in Normandy, lets his soldiers loose on the city and much of it's population is either massacred or flees to the surrounding countryside. Angered and grieving at the death of his brother, the King is further insulted when the news from Paris reach him. His infant nephew has been given a seat on the council, while he, who as Duke of Normandy, is one of France's traditional peers, had not even been informed of the plan. Edward is even more enraged by Charles' of Burgundy's stay in Paris, his sister's letters berating him for his tariffs and the news of more famines in Wales, and the continuing uprising in Normandy. The King returns to London, indecisive. He wants to go to war with the French regency for a chance at becoming the man behind the throne of the French throne - potentially claim it, as well, now that he has a legitimate argument has his right as one of the seven traditional peers has been dishonoured. However, the court mourning for Duke Edmund and the escalating war in Scotland. takes his tool on him, and the King remains indecisive for the winter.
Margaret's support of the Braganzan party, who represent the interests of the high nobility, has done much to coalesce the other important parties of Portugal - the lower nobility, much of the clergy, the colonialists, the merchants and even the jews under a single banner. Demands that Margaret support a new expedition in Africa to take the Rif, more investment in the colonies and naval expeditions all shock the Queen who feels helpless at it all. The Cortes adjourn, and Margaret returns to Lisbon with a new child in tow. Young Dinis of Beja is put under the Queen's custody "as mother of the realm" and as a royal companion for the King. Margaret hates the nobility, even more when the young child, who is still not old enough to understand who ordered half his family killed, clearly starts to see her as a mother figure, to the great displeasure of her husband, Fernando of Braganza, who had wanted to become the most powerful person in the realm by taking the Bejan lands. Duarte and Dinis, King and Heir, rapidly strike a friendship and both became close companions of each other.
Margaret, who wants make something out of the plate of nothing the Cortes handed her, sends a reprimanding letter to her brother, King Edward, who's tolls on the English Channel, that he now fully controls through Normandy, galvanized the merchant classes against her. She also places upon her husband the duty to organize a new expedition to expand Portuguese Ceuta into a Portuguese rift, something which the angry Duke finds great pleasure in. The Portuguese call on "Knights of Christ" for the endeavour and many men, especially from Flanders, England and France start to take the trip to Portugal to join the preparing armada.
France, September 1473: The Duke of Anjou, who isn't very interested in ruling France with an iron fist after the ending of his Iberian pet project, decides to share power with a regency council. The idea is welcomed by the Parliament of Paris and by both the Princes of the Church and Realm. Intending to be as unbiased as possible, the Duke declares that the regency council shall be organized thusly:
The six bishops involved in the coronation of the King - so the Archbishop of Reims, and the Bishops of Laon, Langres, Beauvais, Chalon and Nyon - and the seven "Great Peers" of France. While the traditional order of the great peers does not exist any longer, as many have been absorbed into the crown, the Duke, after consulting with the Archbishop of Reims, decides on these candidates - Himself, as Duke of Anjou, Prince of the Blood, Constable and Regent and another six - his cousin, the Duke of Lorraine, the Duke of Nevers, the Count of Angoulême, the King's grandfather, the Duke of Bourbon, a representative of the Duke of Brittany (who is himself, a child) and finally, and rather surprisingly, Charles, Duke of Flanders (previously Burgundy) is invited to take a seat at the council.
For Charles' english wife, is it a mere attempt at deepening the wedge between Charles and Edward, but Charles' feels honoured and pleased. He travels to Paris, where he is well received, despite jeers from the population, and he meets with the child King and Charles of Anjou. Soon, all those invited come and the "Great Council of the Kingdom" is formed. Despite having almost no practical power at all, Charles of Burgundy feels that his father's dream of becoming the preeminent Duke in France is once again possible, unlike his mother's aspirations of a pro-english independent state. Charles even inquires about having Burgundy proper returned to him, but his answer is a firm, if not hopeless no. Charles of Anjou and the Arbishop, the senior members of the council, declare that no lands shall be distributed from the royal domain until the King is old enough to aprove of it. Charles brings his own son, Philip, to Paris to become a companion of the King, something which is accepted at increases Burgundian popularity at court once again, and enters negotiations with his once foe, the Duke of Lorraine, to convince the rest of the regency to support a war of expansion into the Holy Roman Empire - for Charles, in the Netherlands, for Jean, in Alsace and Moselle.
The Council ratifies the marriage alliance with Portugal over the little Infanta Margarita and sends envoys to negotiate a new trade treaty with the Portuguese regency. The King's curriculum is heavily expanded and he is given the best education in Europe. Franco-Burgundian trade grows as Charles of Burgundy welcomes French products such as cereals, wine and minerals to his interior cities and ports and a new trade treaty is drafted with Savoy and the Swiss Confederation.
England, November 1473: Edmund, Duke of York, is brought down from his horse by a rioter in Rouen. The Lieutenant-General of Normandy falls on the floor, where he is smashed with rocks, axes and whatever tools the revolters have before his knights can save him. Edward, who had just arrived in Normandy, lets his soldiers loose on the city and much of it's population is either massacred or flees to the surrounding countryside. Angered and grieving at the death of his brother, the King is further insulted when the news from Paris reach him. His infant nephew has been given a seat on the council, while he, who as Duke of Normandy, is one of France's traditional peers, had not even been informed of the plan. Edward is even more enraged by Charles' of Burgundy's stay in Paris, his sister's letters berating him for his tariffs and the news of more famines in Wales, and the continuing uprising in Normandy. The King returns to London, indecisive. He wants to go to war with the French regency for a chance at becoming the man behind the throne of the French throne - potentially claim it, as well, now that he has a legitimate argument has his right as one of the seven traditional peers has been dishonoured. However, the court mourning for Duke Edmund and the escalating war in Scotland. takes his tool on him, and the King remains indecisive for the winter.
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Chapter 79 - War in Scotland
April 1473
Elizabeth Sforza goes into labor during Sunday mass and is rushed home. She bears a healthy son, named Jaques of Savoy after her husband. His brother Janus sends an icy and formal letter of congratulations.
The day after her twelfth birthday Anne of France is wed to Nicholas of Loraine. Thankfully her mother-in-law is able to successfully argue against having the marriage consummated. To mark the occasion Duke John grants his son the title Duke of Luxemburg, symbolizing his full ascent to manhood and his equality before his father.
July 1473
Anne Neville gives birth to another daughter, who she names Elanor after the Queen of England and her old friend Elanor Woodville.
August 1473
Edward, furious at Scotland's defiance ignores his brother Edmund's warnings that Normandy is indefensible and launches a war against King James. He hopes to keep it a limited conflict. He will burn a few towns and then Henry Tudor will return with Warwick's daughters. Edmund is distraught both on a personal level, for he had raised Henry as his own son, grieves for him, and worries his own sons might turn out as badly. And of course, he has to defend Normandy against the inevitable French assault.
Alas Edward's hope to limit the conflict run up against his desire to kill two birds with one stone by recalling George of Clarence and sending him against the Scots.
King Henry writes to the Pope asking him to invalidate Henry Tudor's marriage to Elanor of Warwick. He agrees, citing the girl's young age and the questionable circumstances of their marriage. However the King's other request, to excommunicate the Earl of Richmond, is denied as a favor to the French regents.
In Milan Duchess Marie delivers the long-awaited heir of the Visconti, though the birth itself nearly kills her, and will leave her unable to attend court for the rest of the year, which is more than fine by her. Gian Galeazzo is a plump pink infant adored by both his parents. His father whispers to him that he will fulfill the dreams of the late Galeazzo Gian Galeazzo Visconti and become King of all of Italy. His mother likes the sound of that. For how could her beloved son deserve anything less?
September 1473
George of Clarence is unleashed on the Scottish marches. The Duke takes revenge for his cuckoldry by putting Scottish towns to the swords, butchering Scottish men, and having his shoulders make off with Scottish women. The cruelty of these raids is considered unspeakable even by the barbaric stands of war on the Scottish marches. George declares that the raids will only stop if Henry Tudor comes out to face him in battle. Henry almost does so, not wanting so many to suffer for his misdeeds, but Isabella's pleading convinces him to stay put in the safety of Edinburgh.
Births
Jaques of Savoy
Eleanor of Guelders
Gian Galeazzo Sforza
Elizabeth Sforza goes into labor during Sunday mass and is rushed home. She bears a healthy son, named Jaques of Savoy after her husband. His brother Janus sends an icy and formal letter of congratulations.
The day after her twelfth birthday Anne of France is wed to Nicholas of Loraine. Thankfully her mother-in-law is able to successfully argue against having the marriage consummated. To mark the occasion Duke John grants his son the title Duke of Luxemburg, symbolizing his full ascent to manhood and his equality before his father.
July 1473
Anne Neville gives birth to another daughter, who she names Elanor after the Queen of England and her old friend Elanor Woodville.
August 1473
Edward, furious at Scotland's defiance ignores his brother Edmund's warnings that Normandy is indefensible and launches a war against King James. He hopes to keep it a limited conflict. He will burn a few towns and then Henry Tudor will return with Warwick's daughters. Edmund is distraught both on a personal level, for he had raised Henry as his own son, grieves for him, and worries his own sons might turn out as badly. And of course, he has to defend Normandy against the inevitable French assault.
Alas Edward's hope to limit the conflict run up against his desire to kill two birds with one stone by recalling George of Clarence and sending him against the Scots.
King Henry writes to the Pope asking him to invalidate Henry Tudor's marriage to Elanor of Warwick. He agrees, citing the girl's young age and the questionable circumstances of their marriage. However the King's other request, to excommunicate the Earl of Richmond, is denied as a favor to the French regents.
In Milan Duchess Marie delivers the long-awaited heir of the Visconti, though the birth itself nearly kills her, and will leave her unable to attend court for the rest of the year, which is more than fine by her. Gian Galeazzo is a plump pink infant adored by both his parents. His father whispers to him that he will fulfill the dreams of the late Galeazzo Gian Galeazzo Visconti and become King of all of Italy. His mother likes the sound of that. For how could her beloved son deserve anything less?
September 1473
George of Clarence is unleashed on the Scottish marches. The Duke takes revenge for his cuckoldry by putting Scottish towns to the swords, butchering Scottish men, and having his shoulders make off with Scottish women. The cruelty of these raids is considered unspeakable even by the barbaric stands of war on the Scottish marches. George declares that the raids will only stop if Henry Tudor comes out to face him in battle. Henry almost does so, not wanting so many to suffer for his misdeeds, but Isabella's pleading convinces him to stay put in the safety of Edinburgh.
Births
Jaques of Savoy
Eleanor of Guelders
Gian Galeazzo Sforza
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Sorry man, i did not expect anyone else to post so late lol. I can edit my mine too to mention the events of yours. Already made a minor edit to my England post mentioning the war in Scotland.
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Chapter 80 - The Death of Clarence
November 1473: George of Clarence and Henry Tudor fight in battle. Though Tudor loses a leg in battle, Clarence loses his life, his head is triumphantly carried around by his widow Isabel.
Nah you fine. I had a lot planned for Edmund that I had to give up lol!
Charles can still call himself Duke of Burgundy because he controls Imperial Burgundy, aka Franche Comte.
also the Duke of Bourbon is not the King’s grandfather, he is his Uncle.
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