Soviet Victory in the Cold War: Cultural Change.

[WotanArgead]

Also, I'm wondering about super-heroes. Did the Soviet Union have any of those?

I just did a quick check online for Soviet comics. Didn't happen until the final years going by one answer.
And from what someone posted they said it had more to due with the dislike for comics. They preferred it in books like fantasy and sci-fi. Which is probably why when it comes to sci-fi or anything it's in book form.

Comics in the USSR existed as agitation and literature for the youngest.
In "Jolly Pictures" the main characters were the group of Merry Men - an international team of characters from different countries: Buratino, Thumbelina, Pencil, Petrushka, Samodelkin and others. Together, friends traveled, fell into the most unusual situations, helped others to defeat the villains. Each of the heroes of "Funny Pictures" had pronounced individual traits - a special character, manner of behavior and even "super abilities". So, Samodelkin could make anything from materials at hand, and Pencil was able to revive his drawings. Unusual abilities were the main weapon of the characters, but the emphasis in comics was made on the friendship of the heroes, their mutual help, honesty and kindness.
The most popular foreign comic book in the USSR was the Danean Herluf Bidstrup - several collections of his drawings that we published were in great demand. Each Bidstrup sketch had a clear storyline with a string, development and percussive finale. His mini-comics are devoted to a satire of modern manners or events. Especially caustic artist ridiculed philistinism and narrow-mindedness of the townsfolk.
No less famous than Herluf Bidstrup, in the USSR, the French cartoonist Jean Effel acquired. His series "Evelyn", "Eccentric", "Wonderful Child", "Angel" - one-page comics, in which the artist, with the help of several frames, told some instructive story, shared observation or simply ridiculed modern society. The most famous work of Effel was the collection Creation of the World. With the irony inherent in him, the artist talks about creating the universe, starting with a divine idea and ending with the expulsion of Adam and Eve from paradise. Among the heroes of "Creation" - angels, helping an old man in a white mantle to create this insane world, in every way trying to decrypt Satan and Adam and Eve, who became involuntary participants in the divine experiment.

As for superheroes - from the Soviet point of view, this is a negative phenomenon. The hero of antiquity, as is known, from the very beginning realized for what it exists, and why it is stronger than others. Therefore, the same Hercules and carried out the orders of vile Evrisfey, and Ilya of Murom serves Prince Vladimir even when the latter does not behave very well (for example, drives the same Ilya). However, there is no such "focus" for "supermen" of all kinds. Their "service to society" is, of course, a tribute to tradition (yet the archetypes used to create these creatures were the same), and not a necessary condition for existence. It turns out such a gesture of goodwill: the superhero does not like the rampant crime in his native city - and he is going to "restore lawfulness." It turns out that if the police (in complete contradiction with the desire of the author of the comics) suddenly began to engage in his work in full force - and crime in the "superhero world" would have dropped to "the average level", then their "service" would immediately lose all meaning.

 

[Loghain]

can someone point me to good USSR wins cold war TLs ?

 

[WotanArgead]

can someone point me to good USSR wins cold war TLs ?

There is Harry Turtledov's novel "Gladiator", but it resembles the agitation of the times of the Cold War.
There are more timelines on Wiki - http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Rise_of_Communism , http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Communist_World ,

I know two more Russian-speaking worlds. The first is "The World of Victorious Stalin Ideas" (worked out, but implausible), and this card -

But here already a banal "mirror."
There is still a world where the Beatles did not break up and stepped out into the USSR (Lennon - alive) and prevented Reagan from becoming a US resident, but that's more ironic than the real timeline.

 

[Contrary]

Wotan, do you know any alternate histories created by Russians about America becoming communist? I think it would be interesting seeing a Russian point of view.

 

[WotanArgead]

Wotan, do you know any alternate histories created by Russians about America becoming communist? I think it would be interesting seeing a Russian point of view.

Oh - it is necessary to look ...
There is a world of the American People's Republic - where Russia is a liberal-democratic republic with a government of Right Socialist-Revolutionaries and Cadets, and the Bolsheviks fled to the United States and made a revolution (a stupid idea). As a result, the US collapsed, and the United States ruled the world. The world is interesting here than - "The film was shot about how in the distant future people settled on the planet Pandora, and evil aborigines kill them.In the end, the main character dies at the hands of his girlfriend aborigines, and people destroy Ava, and All the creatures of the planet perish. "
Organized timelines are no more - just maps.

 

[WotanArgead]

Interestingly - and what will happen to Coco-Cola in the united Germany? "Vita-Cola was created in the GDR as an alternative to Western," capitalistic "brands Coca-Cola and Pepsi.The presentation of the" communist "cola was held in 1957 (according to other sources - in 1954), the novelty was presented as" effervescent lemonade with taste Grass and fruit. "The recipe, developed by the East German chemist Hans Zinn, contained an unusual for that time caffeine, as well as vitamin C. They say that the formula of the recipe Vita-Cola is still kept secret - like the mysterious ingredient Merchandise 7X, which is included in the Formula of Coca-Cola. On the shelves of the Gieder stores Vita-Cola made its debut in 1958, and the customers immediately liked its pronounced lemon flavor, while not as sweet as its main competitors - Coca-Cola and Pepsi. At the peak of their popularity East German cola produced more than 200 plants: as experts say, there was no place in the GDR where Vita-Cola was not produced. Concentrate, however, was produced at the Miltitz Chemical Factory, where actually the father-creator of the phyt-cola Hans Zinn worked. After the unification of Germany in 1990, a cult drink, accustomed to monopoly existence, was instantly crushed by competitors and almost disappeared from the shops. He, most likely, would simply sink into oblivion, if it were not for the financial support of some well-off descendants from the eastern lands. In 1994, Thüringer Waldquell Mineralbrunnen GmbH bought out exclusive rights to the trademark and began to re-produce Vita, but already throughout the whole of Germany Over time, Vita-Cola pushed the leaders of sales in the market of native Thuringia - it owns about 40 percent of the local market (Coca-Cola - 30 percent). Now Vita with 17 percent of the market takes second place (after all the same Coca-Cola) among non-alcoholic brands in the former East German lands, and this is neither more nor less than a third of Germany. Some market experts even argue that Vita-Cola has become the second favorite cola of all German lands combined - both eastern and western. And, naturally, in the lands of the former GDR its popularity, as well as the popularity of other goods with the brand "made in the GDR", is growing. Last but not least, this is due to the fact that the Germans are missing the "good old days" of East Germany ."

 

[Contrary]

Oh - it is necessary to look ...
There is a world of the American People's Republic - where Russia is a liberal-democratic republic with a government of Right Socialist-Revolutionaries and Cadets, and the Bolsheviks fled to the United States and made a revolution (a stupid idea). As a result, the US collapsed, and the United States ruled the world. The world is interesting here than - "The film was shot about how in the distant future people settled on the planet Pandora, and evil aborigines kill them.In the end, the main character dies at the hands of his girlfriend aborigines, and people destroy Ava, and All the creatures of the planet perish. "
Organized timelines are no more - just maps.

Oh, that's too bad. I was hoping for some TLs, but if they're all just maps, oh well.

Also, I wish I knew more about Soviet culture to contribute to the thread.

 

[WotanArgead]

Oh, that's too bad. I was hoping for some TLs, but if they're all just maps, oh well.

Also, I wish I knew more about Soviet culture to contribute to the thread.

What are you interested in?

 

[WotanArgead]

Oh, that's too bad. I was hoping for some TLs, but if they're all just maps, oh well.

Also, I wish I knew more about Soviet culture to contribute to the thread.

Simply, the culture of the USSR and the socialist countries is such a complex and extensive concept that I can not explain everything on my fingers.
Therefore, it is better to ask what you are most concerned about.

 

[Contrary]

Well, I have a thing for Social Realism art and I also like Stalinist architecture (including concept art). But what I like in particular is culture directed at children - specifically children's shows, books, etc. I'm especially interested in culture that teaches kids Soviet values. With regard to this thread, I'm imagining a Sesame Street-type show that teaches Communist value to American children and I'm wondering what that would look like.

 

[Faeelin]

I assume it would be about the importance of sharing and community, plus an emphasis on education.

One thing I think people forget is that the Eastern Bloc was not all "GLORIOUS STEEL MILLS" 24/7. There was humor, drama, and comedy. Most dictatorships recognize you can't make people get trapped up in that stuff all the time.

 

[WotanArgead]

Well, I have a thing for Social Realism art and I also like Stalinist architecture (including concept art). But what I like in particular is culture directed at children - specifically children's shows, books, etc. I'm especially interested in culture that teaches kids Soviet values. With regard to this thread, I'm imagining a Sesame Street-type show that teaches Communist value to American children and I'm wondering what that would look like.

With neoclassicism, the discrepancy - back in 1950, talk began about "architectural еxcesses." Here we are faced with the question - why did the "Party and the Government" bet on the classics at all? The answer to the rarity is pragmatic - they did not have the opportunity to build ensembles at that time. They built in this style, because this building looks great under any background, while constructivism requires mass building. When there were opportunities for mass development, then they abandoned the "superfluous". On the other hand, a lot of time was devoted to such a "classical" direction as sculpture and mosaic (it is decorated with buildings).
And what about the children, then an anecdote on the topic - "In Soviet times, we were proud that we only have one privileged class - children." The theme of Soviet childhood can be discussed endlessly ... Better I bring the laws of October and the pioneer - "Our rules are exactly five. We will fulfill them We are active guys, Because Oktyabryata. Oktyabrionok, do not forget - You keep the way to the pioneers! We are brave guys, Because Oktyabryata. As the country's native heroes, We want to build our own life. We are diligent guys, Because Oktyabryata. Only those who love work, October is called. We are true guys, Because Oktyabryata. Never, nowhere, in anything We will not let our friends down. We are funny guys, Because Oktyabryata. Our songs, dances, laughter We share equally with everyone. "
"The pioneer is devoted to the Motherland, the Party, and communism. The pioneer is getting ready to become a member of the Komsomol. The pioneer holds an equalion to the heroes of struggle and labor. The pioneer honors the memory of the fallen fighters and is preparing to become the defender of the Motherland. The pioneer is persistent in teaching, work and sport. Pioneer - an honest and faithful companion, always boldly stands for the truth. Pioneer is a comrade and leader of October. The pioneer is a friend to the pioneers and children of the working people of all countries. "
And we, by the way, have our own analogue of Sesame Street - "Calm Nights Baby". What does it look like? This is the leading plus puppet characters, they are often changed but the most constant - Filya (dog), Stepash (rabbit), Karkusha (crow / magpie). They either say something cognitive, or they teach themselves how to behave. Plot cartoons are either just ridiculous, or they instill the virtues of friendship and mutual assistance.

 

[WotanArgead]

GLORIOUS STEEL MILLS" 24/7

What does it mean?

 

[Faeelin]

Soviet media was not nothing but glorification of workers. Movies were also made to be enjoyed and watched. Look at Solaris, for instance. It's a thought provoking piece about alien life, with no mention of true communism.

 

[WotanArgead]

Soviet media was not nothing but glorification of workers. Movies were also made to be enjoyed and watched. Look at Solaris, for instance. It's a thought provoking piece about alien life, with no mention of true communism.

In fact, it is considered that films on "production" themes dominated in Soviet television - and this is fact a myth.
In fact, from 100-160 such films were from the strength of 10. Dominated by love melodramas and dramas with a complex moral and ethical choice. Although ... this is what period to consider! Leading each era is different for its uniqueness. I'm probably not likely to believe but the films of epoch of
"stagnation" differed in the actual lack of ideology ...
P.S. - in fact, the screen version of Tarkovsky's second. The first Solaris is a two-part TV performance of 1968.

 

[WotanArgead]

I assume it would be about the importance of sharing and community, plus an emphasis on education.

How unexpected it does not sound, but the best thing about the Soviet education system will be told to you by an American - Urie Bronfenbrenner, who described it in the book Two Worlds of Childhood: the USA and the USSR (although it would be better to get acquainted with the Soviet edition - some things he does not notice, and another He understands wrongly).
However, I'm interested in one of the Soviet know-how - Makarenko and the commune movement - the idea of free education in the team, through work. Unfortunately, she was constantly put in the wheel .... Interestingly also close to the Communards phenomenon - Family Clubs.

 

[Contrary]

With neoclassicism, the discrepancy - back in 1950, talk began about "architectural еxcesses." Here we are faced with the question - why did the "Party and the Government" bet on the classics at all? The answer to the rarity is pragmatic - they did not have the opportunity to build ensembles at that time. They built in this style, because this building looks great under any background, while constructivism requires mass building. When there were opportunities for mass development, then they abandoned the "superfluous". On the other hand, a lot of time was devoted to such a "classical" direction as sculpture and mosaic (it is decorated with buildings).
And what about the children, then an anecdote on the topic - "In Soviet times, we were proud that we only have one privileged class - children." The theme of Soviet childhood can be discussed endlessly ... Better I bring the laws of October and the pioneer - "Our rules are exactly five. We will fulfill them We are active guys, Because Oktyabryata. Oktyabrionok, do not forget - You keep the way to the pioneers! We are brave guys, Because Oktyabryata. As the country's native heroes, We want to build our own life. We are diligent guys, Because Oktyabryata. Only those who love work, October is called. We are true guys, Because Oktyabryata. Never, nowhere, in anything We will not let our friends down. We are funny guys, Because Oktyabryata. Our songs, dances, laughter We share equally with everyone. "
"The pioneer is devoted to the Motherland, the Party, and communism. The pioneer is getting ready to become a member of the Komsomol. The pioneer holds an equalion to the heroes of struggle and labor. The pioneer honors the memory of the fallen fighters and is preparing to become the defender of the Motherland. The pioneer is persistent in teaching, work and sport. Pioneer - an honest and faithful companion, always boldly stands for the truth. Pioneer is a comrade and leader of October. The pioneer is a friend to the pioneers and children of the working people of all countries. "
And we, by the way, have our own analogue of Sesame Street - "Calm Nights Baby". What does it look like? This is the leading plus puppet characters, they are often changed but the most constant - Filya (dog), Stepash (rabbit), Karkusha (crow / magpie). They either say something cognitive, or they teach themselves how to behave. Plot cartoons are either just ridiculous, or they instill the virtues of friendship and mutual assistance.

I assume by "the pioneer" you mean The Young Pioneers? I imagine The Young Pioneers of America would displace the Girl/Boy Scouts in a Soviet USA. According to wikipedia, a Young Pioneers of America did exist in the 1930s.

How unexpected it does not sound, but the best thing about the Soviet education system will be told to you by an American - Urie Bronfenbrenner, who described it in the book Two Worlds of Childhood: the USA and the USSR (although it would be better to get acquainted with the Soviet edition - some things he does not notice, and another He understands wrongly).
However, I'm interested in one of the Soviet know-how - Makarenko and the commune movement - the idea of free education in the team, through work. Unfortunately, she was constantly put in the wheel .... Interestingly also close to the Communards phenomenon - Family Clubs.

I looked up Makarenko on wikipedia and other sites, and it looked like he was advocating something pretty close to what used to happen on kibbutzes, with children doing some of their own organizing and work (I know kibbutzes were based on socialist ideology). I can see his ideas becoming popular in America, both in regular schools as well as for delinquents.

Also, what are "Family Clubs?"

 

[WotanArgead]

I assume by "the pioneer" you mean The Young Pioneers? I imagine The Young Pioneers of America would displace the Girl/Boy Scouts in a Soviet USA. According to wikipedia, a Young Pioneers of America did exist in the 1930s.
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I do not think that they will change the name - as far as I know, scouts are very common and dissolve and reassemble them too much trouble. They are exactly reorganized - for example, they will cancel the organization on the basis of gender ... An example is the Union of Polish Khartzers, from the very beginning the Christian conservative movement quickly turned into a pro-communist movement.

I looked up Makarenko on wikipedia and other sites, and it looked like he was advocating something pretty close to what used to happen on kibbutzes, with children doing some of their own organizing and work (I know kibbutzes were based on socialist ideology). I can see his ideas becoming popular in America, both in regular schools as well as for delinquents.

Unfortunately, at first it was not accepted, and then just made an icon. His ideas were only partially applied in the organization of circles and pioneer detachments. But to be honest - if it is necessary to preserve the Soviet Union, then it is necessary to develop its ideas.

Also, what are "Family Clubs?"

I will show you an excerpt -
"Most of the post-communard movement in the late 1970s evolved into family-pedagogical clubs, because the organizers of the social pedagogical movement had already acquired families, and the Hiltunenov, Sokolov, Nikitin and other informal educators took an active part in their creation.

Since at school the possibility of applying new methods was limited to the conservative control of the administration, an increasing number of parents began to take the matter of education into their own hands. Despite the fact that the new movement was not purely communal in composition, the communards had a great experience of self-organization, and the new clubs were under their considerable influence. Clubs were created in Moscow, Pushchino, Leningrad and other places. In the northern capital clubs united up to a thousand people.

Intercity meetings were held. "The congresses of the families were constantly taking place in the same Zagorsk," says V. Hiltunen. - Family clubs often came here for training. The party committee was not easy to tolerate night fires in the city center, but we were supported by some Moscow officials who sent letters to local authorities on important forms and the communards did not touch. Found a cheap hotel, created an informal university, where the participants told something to each other. Once there was an opportunity to dig a heating ditch for Zagorsk, and the highway was blocked for this only for a day. We threw a cry, and hundreds of people came. And they all dug together. And at that time there was a religious congress, and priests of the most diverse religions were walking over us, they looked down and asked what was being done here. And we answered that it was a free labor of freely gathered people. "

Clubs cultivated a healthy lifestyle - great popularity among them was acquired by methods of hardening, which were preached by B. and L. Nikitin, other enthusiasts, who revived the tradition of unity with nature, laid by P. Ivanov. Tempering entailed a change in other aspects of family life. N. Chaplin writes about this: "The section of the child, to provide him with the opportunity to squander energy, move, fiddle. How to do it in a small apartment? "Parents left the situation with the help of ingenious physical adaptations, but this way of life" suffocated "in an urban environment. As a result, the passion for pedagogy was closely intertwined with the communal movement - the restoration of the communal tradition of self-management and mutual assistance in the place of residence. In Leningrad, even an attempt was made to form a family commune with a common residence and the upbringing of children. Attempts were made to create a pedagogical community in the countryside, but it did not go beyond summer vacation. "

 

[WotanArgead]

It is interesting - how to change the world culture in the isolation of Japan? And how is it Japanese? I expect robots fighting against bears!

 

[Contrary]

Well, while the Scouts may keep their name, I hope we at least build some of those cool Pioneer Palaces. As a former Brownie, I feel a little shortchanged - we had Scout meetings in our cafeteria and church basement (I went to a Catholic school) while Young Pioneers had buildings all to themselves!