Thanx.
And probably would be considered a bonus. Not sure if these grand transformations would make the areas more livable for whites, but as you said, displace and destroy is a bonus.
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And probably would be considered a bonus. Not sure if these grand transformations would make the areas more livable for whites, but as you said, displace and destroy is a bonus.
Similar to Canon Draka,it looks like the Drakia could tap into a large bitter pool of skilled Volga Germans,Russians,Ukrainians,Balts.I assume Icelanders would have still gone to Winnipeg like OTL,instead of a completely different environment after the eruptions,but refugees from a PolPot Russia probably don't have the options to be picky,and their kids grow up with a combo of parents bitterness and Drakia schooling,quite a mix.
Don’t forget the Spanish, given they’re dealing with that lunacy there too.
Given the influx of Spaniards, Slavs and Honorary Whites I assume the "Noble Race" will end up looking decidedly off-white (by the definitions of the time), not unlike Decades of Darkness.
The Spanish lunacy looks more like merely Maoism or Leninism, i.e. unsustainable and all around not a great idea but not so horrible you'll have waves of refugees fleeing just to find something to eat. Only an initial burst of "enemies of the regime," then a slow trickle of defectors.
I'm glad to see geoism get a little time in the sun regardless, I can't think of a handful of timelines where it features prominently
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Danke.
Thank you! The First Draco-American War is on its way.
Can you guess what the official greeting of the Societists is?
Numbers, in the case of Russia leadership, and they're fine with essential military industries. They weren't dismantling any manufacturing during the Russian Civil war after all.
Essentially.
As @Whiteshore and @Indicus pointed out they're based on the Khmer Rouge, but seeing as Pol Pot was inspired by Maoism you're not far off.
This set off a great discussion that actually increased my knowledge. The Drakian industrial belt is centered in South Africa, but extends into Mozambique, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, and Zambia. As others have mentioned iron ore isn't a problem, but while there is sizeable coal production in that part of Africa, it's not as substantial as in the United States. Drakia has coped with this by supplementing coal with charcoal (plenty of forests in Africa to chop down) and through the early adoption of petroleum for transportation and heating. They have begun to exploit the Angolan oil fields and have a pretty extensive rail network across Africa.
Thanks, I like your analysis of the ideologies!
The Ukraine broke off, so did most of Central Asia. Russia held on to the Caucus and Armenia though. I'll show it in the next map.
I'm going to quote Watchmen at least once in this TL. You're welcome to try and shoot me when that happens.
This wasn't directly in response to the dice rolls- I've been foreshadowing a worse-than-OTL revolution in Russia for a while now.
No stupid virus ITTL, even if the American people aren't up to a total war to invade Africa atm there are still people keeping a close eye on Drakia and doing what they can to sabotage the Country of the Dragon.
Mmm. Quite so.
Well they weren't working for any foreign governments really, but something like that.
You can bring down authoritarian governments but the legacy of their rule takes ages to heal if it ever does.
You've had good guesses.
Thus far Stoker is pragmatic enough to accept the Honorary Citizens inducted by Saxon- they need them to keep the Empire stable. Not that they will be any freer than anyone else under the regime.1. Good idea.
2. Thank you, that was my thought.
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I'm going to quote Watchmen at least once in this TL. You're welcome to try and shoot me when that happens.
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Thanks! Alternate ideologies are a passion of mine. It's an oversimplification, but what political metaphor isn't reductive, especially one aimed squarely at the "Empires of Evil"?
So on the balance most actual threats to the new Drakian regime have passed, but that doesn't mean that the elites and supporting classes of Drakia suddenly stop feelings psychologically unsafe what with the economy left in ruins and the still out there diehards acting as brigand-heroes to the Bonded and as terrorists to the planters. It seems that far from it's days with Naldorssen's ode to the dominion, the living political Societism would by its promise of a perfected harmonious world at the end of the road in many ways make the blunt argument that the more Societist policies are enacted and the less """parasites""" and """international geoists"""" are able to sabotage Drakia then the more food would be on the table. After all what kind of divine order has (white) citizens that earn a shitty wage for a shitty job in a shitty one-horse town while having to deal with a shitty drill sergeant every Saturday and on Sunday a shitty fire-and-brimstone preacher that lectures on drinking and dancing and not donating enough to the boys in Sudan?
While none of this would would matter in the ways of like even a semi-democracy, in a totalitarian society the regime fears the appearance of weakness enough that public discontent and illegitimacy matters even then, within context. It would be generally a lot more arcane and pointless then just having people participate in electoral and representational politics and it thus would frequently miss the mark and be out of touch, but on some level the Societists would be themselves molded by the fact that after years and years of warfare and the practical breakdown of antebellum Drakian life, Drakians just don't want to be some soulless metal kingdom or soulless metal people. Now the common schmuck would only articulate this as "things going back to normal like the good ol' days" but in truth when they say they want things to go back to normal, what they mean is that they want safety and prosperity. Societist thought lends itself to the promise of that, much like how Hilter and Mussolini would describe agriculture in very macho, militaristic terms and try to make themselves autarkic so as to not suffer from the famines of the Great War's blockades and the Great Depression. Societists would likewise call for wars on heat and energy, wars on transportation, wars on industry. Here is the battleground for which Societist *Ras bosses are able to intrigue to build the biggest patronage networks (or, "criminal gangs"). For which newly enfoeffed non-white citizens are able to survive the reactionary purge and collaborate with the completely unhindered exploitation of Drakia. For which wings of the one-party state will be able to take credit for and cash in on the increasingly industrialized and professionalized environment from which Draki's recovery would eventually emerge, no thanks to Societism's actually shallow, wasteful, and counterproductive polices.
Very much not a new Sparta. At least, not yet.
While none of this would would matter in the ways of like even a semi-democracy, in a totalitarian society the regime fears the appearance of weakness enough that public discontent and illegitimacy matters even then, within context. It would be generally a lot more arcane and pointless then just having people participate in electoral and representational politics and it thus would frequently miss the mark and be out of touch, but on some level the Societists would be themselves molded by the fact that after years and years of warfare and the practical breakdown of antebellum Drakian life, Drakians just don't want to be some soulless metal kingdom or soulless metal people. Now the common schmuck would only articulate this as "things going back to normal like the good ol' days" but in truth when they say they want things to go back to normal, what they mean is that they want safety and prosperity. Societist thought lends itself to the promise of that, much like how Hilter and Mussolini would describe agriculture in very macho, militaristic terms and try to make themselves autarkic so as to not suffer from the famines of the Great War's blockades and the Great Depression. Societists would likewise call for wars on heat and energy, wars on transportation, wars on industry. Here is the battleground for which Societist *Ras bosses are able to intrigue to build the biggest patronage networks (or, "criminal gangs"). For which newly enfoeffed non-white citizens are able to survive the reactionary purge and collaborate with the completely unhindered exploitation of Drakia. For which wings of the one-party state will be able to take credit for and cash in on the increasingly industrialized and professionalized environment from which Draki's recovery would eventually emerge, no thanks to Societism's actually shallow, wasteful, and counterproductive polices.
Very much not a new Sparta. At least, not yet.
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Probably the Limpopo River basin. Its got iron, coal, decently easy to transport IIRC and was a historical zone for white settlers. At the same time, Zimbabwe and Mozambique are excellent breadbaskets which the slaves will provide cheap corn, rice, and wheat for the industrial proletariat.
The Cape and Luanda might be secondary centers of manufacturing in shipbuilding and light industry. Angola IIRC has a ton of minerals that can easily be shipped south for processing.
That makes sense. But I really can't see areas north of Zimbabwe becoming additional industrial areas in the way that say Oakland, California or Seattle did.
The issue is getting the rail network in the areas which they just grabbed from the British. For their own defense, they need a rail system across Africa by 1940 that *dwarfs* what OTL Africa has in *2019*. Yes, slaves can be used for this, but there are definitely limits.
For OTL, I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union_of_Railways#/media/File:Africa_railway_map_gauge.jpg , it probably doesn't include all of the smaller lines, but appears to cover the major ones. There is *one* way to cross Africa East to West north of the South African border (Angola into the southern DRC, Zambia and Tanzania.) and as far as I can tell, the *only* two nations on the Atantic coast of Africa that have a rail route between them are South Africa and Namibia. Going across North Africa is a little better, except for the gigantic hole that is Libya...
I believe that iOTL, the largest land area conquered in a single war and kept was the gains in the US/Mexican War and the largest conquered and not kept may have been the German gains in WWII. I believe that the Draka just gained an area even larger than the German gains in WWII. (I'm excluding wars of Independence, here) (Even though the US Gained OTL Canada, the Canadian War only represented conquest of about a third of the land of Canada with the Hudson Bay Company still British at that point)
Besides, there’s a Spanish “Taiwan” in the Caribbean to flee to AFAIK
A thought, with Societism's/*Fascism's cult of personality and cult of action and the build up of a totalitarian regime the new Drakian party leaders/dictators may be actually in a kind of " only Nixon can go to China" moment. Their ilk would successfully poison any attempts by the military junta or by the high church or catholic Drakian heresies (being some of the few means of political expression left), but with the pedigree of a solid party thug suddenly things like striking Yankee business deals (like we struck with the Soviets or with the pre-war Nazis) or putting in place bullshit half-measures to tap down on the obvious bits of opression that are in the newspapers, become actually possible. Do some of that good old nonsense like "the children of Bonded Labor would be gradually emancipated, meaning they won't be legally Bonded but nothing else" and "must have thus much money and property and pass these rigged tests to actually become a National" and "all these new landless indigent people will be set up in ghettos and bantulands all to help benefit and slowly civilize these wretches"
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I'm afraid there will need to be a brief hiatus- work has been particularly busy lately and Rosh Hashanah is this weekend- so the next chapter will be a bit delayed. Chapter 17 will address the American New Order for the Ages, and its... issues.
Well, quality takes time. This whole story has taken on a life of its own in many ways, so seeing it develop naturally will take a lot of thought and consideration (and writing).
This made me realize you could have Drakia being a pretty accurate analog to America, just location-wise... here's a map to show what I mean.
On the map we have:
Red: South (analog: east) Coast. The location of initial white settlement, the oldest buildings are here. Historical part of Drakia. This is the nucleus of the Drakian nation, from where it expanded north (analog: west)
Yellow: The Midnorth (analog: the Midwest). Lots of industry in this area; the climate is relatively more favorable to white people than many parts of Drakia.
Pink/magenta: The West (analog: the South). Relatively poorer, and the climate is more hostile to white people. The economy in this area is more agricultural, based on
Orange: The Great Plains.
Blue: Sahara Desert (analog: Rocky Mountains). Difficult to get through, few people.
And finally,
Green: The North Coast (analog: West Coast). This coastal area is far from the original Drakian heartland, but has a good climate and a rapidly-growing economy. The western (analog: southern) end of it, Morocco (analog: southern California), has a large Spanish-speaking population. All in all, it's the second main center of the Drakian economy: the magenta, orange, and blue areas are just "flyover country". People get from the South Coast and the Midnorth to the North Coast via transcontinental railways.
I think there might be some exceptions in this zone. BlondieBC's old WWI timeline had him discuss the viability of post-war German settlement in Angola. He singled out a rectangular zone stretching roughly from Canama in the southwest to Luremo in the northeast to be promising. Higher than the malarial zones, sufficient rain and soil quality, and a lot of rivers that can be dammed.
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