Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

[boredviewer1234]

Indeed, the geopolitical game after 1917 will be a fine balancing act between the former members of the Entente.

True, though Russia has the most potential to expand inwardly like the Ottomans and if they can avoid the disasters of the 20th century, or at least lessen it. Then Russia can easily become the second if not first power in Europe.

Though I guess it depends on how things go, France for better or worse needs Russia just in case things go bad with Britain (I suspect Ethiopia might be a flashpoint and who get's Italy's colonies) and most importantly to prevent Germany from having good relations.

Just like for decades Europe needs Russia's resources for their economies and energy, something that will only get worse in the future and this time only Britain has a great supply in the forms of the Trucial states and Kuwait.

 

[Sarthak]

Chapter 30: Armistice Of A Few Decades

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“On March 7, the German Empire had massed around 1.5 million men against the Western Front and the Italians had massed around 600,000 men at the Alpine front against the French lines. The Final Offensive, or as it was known then, the Grand Offensive was about to start. It was Germany’s and Italy’s last bid to end the war on their terms. If the Germans and Italians could knock France out in one massive campaign, then the Germans alone could take care of the Russian colossus. And Italy alone would be able to defend against Spain whilst the United Kingdom wallowed from afar.

The German Army had concentrated many of its best troops into stormtrooper units, trained in infiltration tactics to infiltrate and bypass enemy frontline unites, leaving these strong points to be mopped up by follow up troops. Each major formation gave up its best and fittest troops to these Stormtrooper regiments, and several elite divisions were formed with these elite divisions. This process would give the Germans the initiative of attack, but that also meant that the best formations would suffer disproportionately the heaviest casualties during the battles that were to come.

In return, the Allies had developed defenses in depth, reducing the proportion of troops in their frontline and pulling reserves and supply dumps back beyond German and Italian artillery range. The frontline was made into a forward zone lightly held by snipers, machine gun posts and patrols. Behind out of range from artillery, was the battlezone where the offensive was to be resisted against all odds, and behind that again, was a rearzone where the reserves were to be kept.

British troops preparing for the offensive​

On March 7, the Germans began their biggest offensive by attacking the British 2nd Army in the biggest bombardment of the entire war. According to Sergeant Reinhard Schmidt, a German soldier who would write his memoirs of frontline action down into his book All Quiet On the Western Front,

………..The artillery bombardment began on 4:40 am. The bombardment hit targets over an area of around 120 square miles, the biggest barrage of the entire war. According to the officers, 1,100,000 shells were fired within the first few hours alone………

The sheer scale of the bombardment was massive. And the 17th Army, 2nd Army and 18th Army under the command of Otto von Below, Goerg von der Marwitz and Oskar von Hutier were intent on exploiting their advantage and seizing the operational initiative against the opposing Belgian, British and French forces.

The same was happening in the south, in the arid mountains of the Alpine valleys, the French, British, Spanish and Greek troops took up arms against the massive army of Italian troops led by Armando Diaz as the Italians launched a massive volley of artillery barrages after barrages. The Allied troops remained holed up in their trenches, and bunkers, holding out, and gritting their teeth as they resisted the shell shock that would inevitably spread after such a bombardment. The causation of landslides, and rockfalls due to the barrage in the high mountains did not aid the Allies either, as several bunkers were buried in snow, mud and rock. The Italian 5th, 3rd and 9th Armies under the overall command of General Armando Diaz were forming up to attack the allies as well.

German troops in Aalst. ​

The Germans and Italians advanced rapidly and managed to score great early victories against the forces of the allies arrayed against them. The Germans retook Aalst, and advanced towards Zottegem in Belgium, and the Germans even veered south and forced the Belgian holdouts in the south to be routed, and managed to enter Northern France, provoking a political crisis, as the Germans occupied Sedan as well. The Luxembourg Volunteer Corps fortunately managed to defend Longwy from the Germans preventing the Germans from capturing a key flank of the French frontlines. Down in the south the Italians too had early successes. On many accounts, they were even more successful than the Germans. The Italians only had one front to worry about and unlike the Germans they could throw their entire weight against the Alpine front. The Italian 9th Army marched from Menton and in a whirlwind assault took Nice itself from the French, a hefty blow to the allies, as the Franco-Spanish defenders of the city were encircled with Diaz’s characteristic pincer movement and forced to surrender under the threat of indiscriminate bombardment. The Italians managed to break out into the Southern French Plains and managed to take Cannes and Frejus as well, which was a massive blow within its own right as well. In the Alps, the Italians advanced, and captured Chambery itself, marching across 50 miles of rugged mountainous terrain in a desperate offensive to defeat the French. The Greek and British defenders of the city defended the city fiercely, but the Italians were too powerful numerically and the city was forced to surrender eventually on March 29. The first phase of the Final Offensive had been wildly successful for the Central Powers, or what was left of them anyways. However the Second Battle of Waterloo and the Battle of Nances would end all hope of Central Power victory.

The Second Battle of Waterloo took place on April 9 to 15, 1917 and proved itself to be just as exhilarating as the Battle of Waterloo which took place in 1815 and in a twist of irony, the British were in the second battle, the ones resisting German assaults waiting for French reinforcements to defeat the Germans. From April 6, the British 3rd Army under the command of Sir Alexander Hamilton-Gordon had made defensive parameters in Waterloo with reinforcements from the Belgian X and IX Corps and the British Indian V Corps for a total of 200,000 men. Opposing them was the German army led by General Ludwig von Falkenhausen, who was commanding a behemoth of an army of around 320,000 men. The French commander, Henri Gouraud, the commander of the French 8th Army had promised that his army would reinforce the British when the 8th Army was resupplied and as the Germans seemed to be ready to attack, beseeched Hamilton-Gordon to resist for as long as possible until the French reinforcements could arrive to deliver victory. Convinced that the French were coming, instead of turning and retreating, the Anglo-Belgian force turned to give battle to the incoming Germans. The Germans took the key strategic fortress of Chateau d’Argenteuil early on during the battle, and took the surrounding areas such as Gaillemarde and Ransbeche. The British and Belgian forces were routinely being pushed back by the enemy forces, and on the 11th the Anglo-Belgian army was forced to retreat farther back towards Terkluizen and was forced to seek shelter with the natural defenses of the forest there, with the heavy undergrowth of the region working to the advantage of the Anglo-Belgian force. Nonetheless, the situation remained dire for the Anglo-Belgian forces, and Hamilton-Gordon famously remarked ‘Give me the French or give me death!’.

On April 14, the French reinforcements arrived and flanked the German positions at Maransart and a bloody battle continued throughout the battlefield, and the Germans suffered a catastrophic defeat as they retreated, leaving a gaping hole in the German frontlines.

A painting of the Second Battle of Waterloo. ​

Similarly down south, the Greek Expeditionary Army, Spanish Alpine Army and French XXI and British X Corps were defending Nances for a total force of around 120,000 men with them. The incoming Italian 3rd Army under the personal command of General Armando Diaz consisted of around 150,000 men. The Italians attacked on April 11 at Saint Aldan de Montbel and forced the Greek 1st Division out of the area, forcing them to retreat to Dullin where they grouped up with the Spanish 59th Infantry Division. Together the Spanish and Greeks retreated to Ayn and managed to create a proper defensive perimeter, where the Spanish and Greeks resisted the Italian offensive with great enthusiasm and successful. The sheer weight of the Spanish and Greek resistance was such that the Italian flanks near Belmont-Tramonet was dangerously stretched thin as Diaz stripped men from the flanks to deal with the resistance at Ayn. However this opened the Italian flanks to attack from Avressieux. The British and the French attacked, and encircled the entire Italian 3rd Army as the French Alpine troops captured Le Lac on the 18th of April. On the 20th the 3rd Army surrendered.

On both fronts, the two defeats were disastrous. The French, Spanish, British and Greeks chased the Italians back to the Italian border, recovering occupied territory in the south and the French Alpine troops entered the Aosta Valley in northern Italy as well. In the north, the British and French managed to liberate Brussels as King Albert I entered the city triumphantly. Luxembourg city was liberated by the French and Luxembourgers and the fronts were rapidly collapsing. At this moment, Anton von Saltza, who was promoted to the rank of Field Marshal of Russia, ordered a massive offensive in the east and on April 30, the Russians captured Konigsberg. This was the last death blow. On May 3 Kaiser Wilhelm II was shot by an anarchist in Berlin angry at the war. Wilhelm II was immediately succeeded by his son, Crown Prince Wilhelm who was proclaimed shortly as Wilhelm III of Germany. Wilhelm III reluctantly told Bethmann-Hollwegg to seek peace, as the war was now by all means over.

Italian Troops retreating. ​

On May 10, the Italians sued for peace as well. On May 12, the Germans signed the Armistice of Metz, and the Italians signed the Armistice of Nice on May 15. The Great War had ended after 26 months of war.” The Grand Offensive: The Last Bid for Italo-German Dominance in the Great War.

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“The German diplomats arrived in Paris on the 28th of May, and the countries began to seek a peace treaty once and for all. France had lost around 0.9 million men in the war, and around 50,000 civilians had been attacked and killed in the war. The French, barring the Belgians had taken the blunt of the fighting throughout the war. Viviani wanted to ensure the security of France, by weakening Germany economically, militarily, territorially and by supplanting Germany as the lead producer of Europe. British Prime Minister McKenna aptly stated that France wanted ‘The French want to reverse 1871. Radically.’

When the Spaniards and British protested slightly, the French Foreign Minister Doumergue told them ‘British is protected by the Sea. Spain by the mountains. Not even Napoleon could touch England and neither could he conquer Spain. You both are sheltered from the German threat. France…..is not.’

The French wanted a frontier on the Rhine, to protect the country from a German invasion and to compensate for French demographic inferiority in comparison to the Germans. On June 15, they put forward the most radical plan ever seen. The independence of the Kingdom of Bavaria, the Kingdom of Wurttemburg, the Kingdom of Saxony and the Kingdom of Baden, whilst France would annex Alsace-Lorraine and the Saar Basin. Britain could afford to have France annex the aforementioned areas, however the independence of Wurttemburg, Bavaria, Baden and Saxony would radically shift the balance of power in Central Europe and as such was not a suitable policy for peace. The Russians similarly believed that the newly independent German monarchies would simply fall under Austrian influence, and as such make their independence a threat to Russia.

British aims were more colonial oriented and more moderate. They demanded the partition of the German colonies, as well as return of Alsace-Lorraine to France. They demanded 2/3 of the German Fleet to be handed over to the Allies, and that presented itself as the only real over the top British demand. The Russians were in between the French and British positions. They weren’t as hardline as the French but neither were they as soft as Britain.

To understand the Russian position, we must rewind the clock a bit, and look to the January Conference. During the January Conference, Russian Prime Minister, Sergey Muromstev had understood clearly that the Poles were actually taking up arms with the Germans against Russian liberation of the territory and bluntly told the Tsar that Russian rule of Poland would no longer be possible in the future. Tsar Nicholas II was furious, however the more monarchist and moderate faction of the Duma, as well as the French and British consulates managed to calm the man down, with sweet offers. Trying to influence the man, Muromstev had pointed to the British Dominion system and asked permission to implement something similar to the British Dominion System in Poland. Tsar Nicholas II was loathe to accept such a deal, however the killing of Rasputin, with the Tsar himself implicated had made the prestige of the Russian monarchy fall to an alltime low. He was sure that the Polish members of the Duma would rebel if he said no. He was not far off the mark. As such, in the few moments of clarity in the life of Tsar Nicholas II, Nicholas II signed the January Declaration in which Nicholas II gave his support to a semi-independent Poland under a Russian Realmship. This was a fancy Russian manner of stating a Polish Dominion was going to be established.

The Polish nationalist faction had calmed down after that. The Russians were therefore obliged to ask for the Polish lands in the German Empire. The Russians demanded the handover of Memel, Heydekrug, Tilsit, Niederung, Ragnit, Gumbinnen, Insterburg and Angerburg directly to the Russian Empire, whilst the Russians also demanded Poznan, Danzig, Osterode, Neidenburg, Allenstein, Sensburgm Lyck, Johannisburg and Lotzen to be given to the new Polish state that was being formed.

The Blue zone is the Russian demands, and the Pink zone is the Polish-Russian Demands in East Prussia. The Green is the German Remnant Zone. ​

The Spanish and Greeks on the other hand had singular goals. The Spanish wanted German Cameroon, and the Greeks wanted excessive monetary reparations. The Belgians wanted Malmedy as a territorial buffer between itself and Germany. Finally on July 29, 1917, the Treaty of Versailles was signed. The treaty consisted of the following points:-

• Articles [1-3] dealt with the introduction of the war, and designated war guilt solely to the Germans for the war.
• Articles [4-8] dealt with the questions of the German colonies. The Northern Mariana Islands and the Marshall Islands were to be ceded to Japan. The other German Pacific colonies were partitioned between the UK, Australia and New Zealand. Australia got German Papua, New Zealand got Samoa, and Nauru was kept under joint Anglo-Australian-New Zealand Trusteeship. German Micronesia was handed over to Britain as British Micronesia. The German Concessions in China were handed over to China despite Japanese protests in the conference. German Southwest Africa was given to the Dominion of South Africa. The German Colony of East Africa was given to Britain, with German Rwanda given to Belgium. German Togo was given to France. France and Britain annexed the borderlands in German Cameroon whilst Spain annexed the entirety of the rest of German Cameroon.
• Articles [9-12] dealt with European territorial concessions. Memel and Southeastern East Prussia was given to Russia. Southern East Prussia, Upper Silesia and Poznan was given to the new Realm of Poland. Alsace-Lorraine and the Saar Basin was annexed by France whilst Malmedy was annexed by Belgium.
• Articles [13-15] dealt with monetary reparations. It was here that the Allies were most vindictive. The Allies demanded 125 Billion German Marks as reparations to be paid over two decades. Quietly though around 45 billion were mere numbers and the allies secretly told the Germans that the actual amount to be paid was around 80 billion.
• Articles [15-20] dealt with military restrictions. The Germans were only allowed an army of 250,000 activists and 150,000 reservists to be there in the German Army for a period of 25 years. The Germans were not to have an Airforce more than 100 operational warplanes, whilst the German Navy was only allowed to have 6 pre-dreadnought warships, and was limited to six light cruisers, twelve destroyers, and fifteen torpedo boats, whilst the Navy was forbidden from having any submarines. The Rhineland was to be demilitarized as well.

The Treaty was devastating to Germany. It had to pay a massive reparations, and lost valuable tracts of land in Europe. And more infuriatingly, they lost German speaking lands in Silesia, East Prussia, Saarland and Malmedy. As soon as news of the treaty reached home, the ire of the people turned towards the monarchy. The German Revolution was about to start.

More ominously, British General Smith-Dorrien after reading the treaty, would say “This is not peace. This is an armistice of 2 to 3 decades.”

Treaty of Versailles. ​

His words would prove to be prophetic.” Versailles: How the Allies Culled Germany.

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“The Italian diplomats were told to come to Barcelona for the treaty to end the war. Unlike the Germans, where the Aristocrats were directly involved in the war, the Italian nobility had remained aloof in the war, and as such the Italian internal situation was better than that of the Germans. After a few violent riots, the Italian gendarmerie restored order, and the Italian diplomats were dispatched. The Italians were desperate for a normal peace, as that that was given to Austria-Hungary. However that was not to be. On July 27, the Treaty of Barcelona was signed ending the war with Italy as well. The terms of the treaty were:-

• Articles [1-3] dealt with the introduction of the war, and stated that Italy too was partially responsible for the war, due to their belligerent attitude.
• Articles [4-5] dealt with the colonial partition. Italian Eritrea was given to France, whilst Italian Somalia was given to the British Empire.
• Articles [6-8] dealt with European concessions. The French annexed the northern Aosta Valley whilst the British annexed the islands of Lampedusa, Linosa, and Pantelleria into British Malta.
• Articles [9-11] dealt with military restrictions. The Italian Army was only allowed to have 120,000 active troops and 130,000 reservists. The Italian Airforce was to be maintained at 60 operational warplanes and the Italian Navy was reduced to 5 pre-dreadnought warships, 5 light cruisers, 10 destroyers, and 12 torpedo destroyers.
• Articles [12-15] dealt with monetary reparations. The Italians had to pay 75 billion Italian Lira as reparations of war.

The Italian peace was also just as harsh as the German one, all things considered. The stage of the Italian Revolution of 1919 was also set." Origins of the 1919 Italian Revolution.

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Map of World after the Treaties of Versailles and Barcelona. ​

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“In the decade before 1900, the Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany was the leading leftist party in Germany. With 35% of the national votes and 110 seats elected during the 1912 Reichstag Elections in 1912, the Social Democrats were the largest political party in Germany. Formed up of monarchic and republican leftists, the party had managed to retain a balance of republicanism and monarchism in the party. However the growing defeats slowly tilted the favor towards republicanism in the party.

At first, everyone in Germany was happy with the armistice, as it would bring peace. Nationalist egos were hurt, however many believed they would get a Austrian esque fair peace. But that was not to be. When news of the total demands of the Treaty of Versailles became known, the German Army refused to be cut down to size. The German 42nd and 29th Division in Kiel revolted in protest and demanded that the articles regarding the army be repealed by the allies to at least 500,000 active soldiers and 450,000 reservists. Wilhelm III refused to acquiesce with this demand, stating that he would not bow down to such brutish manners and that he would not forsake the last chance for a negotiated peace with the Allies.

The revolt precipitated a nationwide revolution in Germany that would sweep aside the monarchy within a few days. The German 42nd and 29th Divisions took control of Kiel and barricaded the city whilst the German Paramilitaries and loyalist divisions were sent north to deal with the revolt. The Soldiers, now sure that the government was acting not in the benefit of the German populace, met with one another in the Union House of Kiel on August 5. Delegations tied a union between themselves as well as the SPD, and USPD, as they now demanded a regime change. The SPD and USPD, who were not happy with the militaristic demands of the divisions, but happy to collaborate to bring the downfall of the aristocratic and in their view autocratic government, was happy to temporarily ally with them.

Imprisoned mutineers throughout Kiel were released by the members of the two divisions and the SPD and USPD. The Soldiers and Workers of Kiel, now working in tandem, brought the public institutions of the city under their control. When the worker nature of the revolt became known, the country descended into chaos.

On 9 August, deputations of the unionist and workers who were now aligning themselves to the revolutionary soldiers, dispersed all throughout the major cities in Germany. By the 12th of August, the entire country was up in flames as political chaos seized the nation. In Berlin, Prince Maximilian von Hohenzollern experienced a split in the SPD, as some like Friedrich Ebert told the government that a social revolution would need to avoided. However those like Gustav Noske supported the revolution and told that the days of the old Germany were over, and that democracy and not militarism would rule the Reich.

Bethmann-Hollwegg and Maximilian were not lucky however. A SPD convention in Berlin declared Noske as their leader. Noske then went to Wilhelm III’s chambers and demanded his abdication as monarch. Wilhelm III finally, after having tried to play for time, accepted the ultimatum and abdicated the throne, and released the germans from their oath to the Hohenzollern monarch.

However outside of Berlin, the country was now aligning itself between four sides. The Bavarians in the south were aligning themselves with King Rupprecht I of Bavaria. Ludwig III had abdicated the throne in favor of his son, as the Bavarian Landtag advised him to, perhaps saving the Bavarian monarchy. The Bavarian Army declared allegiance to Rupprecht the moment news of Wilhelm III’s departure came and were deployed to secure the borders of Bavaria. Rupprecht I on the other hand adopted a wait and see approach. He would allow Bavaria to remain a part of Germany if the Monarchy survived somehow, but he swore to make Bavaria independent if a German Republic was proclaimed.

Communists started to form under Karl Liebknecht in Saxony and the Rhineland. The people throughout Germany began to demand the abolition of the monarchy itself. Wilhelm III had abdicated the throne, but he had done so in favor of his son, Prince Wilhelm under the regency of his brother Prince Eitel Friedrich. However Noske bypassed this and using the mandate of the massive demonstrations against the monarchy throughout the country, Noske declared the German Republic in Berlin on August 14, 1917.

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Proclamation

of the German Republic. ​

The German monarchies then found themselves abdicating and fleeing the country left right and center. The only sole exception was Rupprecht I, who still commanded the loyalty of the vast majority of the Bavarians. On August 15, the German Communists and Social Democrats formed a new government with Noske as Chancellor and Rosa Luxembourg as Deputy Chancellor and Liebknecht as President. This collaboration gave Rupprecht I and the abolition of the monarchy to declare the Independence of Bavaria, and declared Otto Rinder von Dandl as the Prime Minister of Bavaria. The vast majority of the Bavarian Army accepted the declaration. [1]. As the situation in the north stabilized, the Bavarians soon found themselves fighting a small scale war as Noske sent an army of 20,000 men to reconquer Bavaria. Noske still believed that the Bavarians would defect towards the Germans, however prompt Bavarian propaganda of making the new government seem like communists had been executed to perfection and even many German nationalist Bavarians refused to defect. [1]

The Bavarian Army defeated the German Expedition to Bavaria in the Battle of Hof and Battle of Coburg. This prompted the Berlin Stock Market, already strained beyond repair to collapse, and the German government soon found that they would be unable to prosecute a new war. They simply didn’t have the money for a new war. The French looked on with glee as the Germans tore each other apart and Bavaria seceded whilst the British were looking on worried for a communist republic. The Russians held ambivalent views and stayed put, as they were more focused with their new Polish client state.

On September 18, 1917 the new German Republic and Kingdom of Bavaria signed the Treaty of Nuremberg where the Germans recognized Bavarian independence. This only came however, despite the economic reality, out of a threat of Austrian invasion. The Austrians wanted a buffer between themselves and the Germans, now that they were afraid of a revanchist power to the north, and took advantage of the fact that the Bavarians had revolted. The threat of 1 million troops crashing into Silesia was enough to force Noske onto the negotiating table. The only concession Rupphrecht gave was that Bavaria would pay for its own debts that were a part of the German Debt.

The German Revolution had ended, and the Germanic World was now fragmented forever.” An Introduction into the German Revolution.

Map of World after the German Revolution of 1917. ​

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[1] – This is actually very interesting, as the Bavarian Army told Rupphrecht and Ludwig otl that they would support Bavarian independence if the Bavarian Royal Family stayed put. OTL that didn’t happen. ITTL it does.

Author's Note: Basically Poland has been resurrected as a semi-independent polity as the Russian government (very reluctantly and grudgingly) remain true to their promises to the Poles. The Russian and Polish armies are combined, and Foreign policy is taken care of by the Russians, but everything else is taken care of the internal government. Will go more into depth in the next chapter regarding Poland, and Russian politics.

 

[Sarthak]

The Great War is over! Germany is gripped by political instability! Thoughts and Predictions?
Also the finer details about Poland and the internal politics as well as world economics will come in the next chapter.

 

[Sarthak]

Hitler ending up in charge of Germany TTL is like a Jew ending up in charge in 1930s Germany OTL. It... Well, I hesitate to say can't happen, but you'd need some very unique circumstances. Imperial Germany was actually one of the better places for Jews to live, it was the stabbed in the back myth spread around by the German political extremes after Versailles that lead to the anti-Jew rhetoric that allowed the Nazi's to prosper.

TTL, the Austrians literally stabbed them in the back, from their perspective. No myth about it. The only way you'd be able to create even more anti-Austrian sentiment than what they did is if the Austrians had pulled an OTL Italy and fought against the Germans.

He has the charisma to rise high despite that, but not to lead. If the German Military is anything like OTL they'd sooner pull a coup than follow him.

Indeed, Austria's betrayal makes Hitler's career prospects in Germany.......low to say the least.

 

[Sarthak]

True, though Russia has the most potential to expand inwardly like the Ottomans and if they can avoid the disasters of the 20th century, or at least lessen it. Then Russia can easily become the second if not first power in Europe.

Though I guess it depends on how things go, France for better or worse needs Russia just in case things go bad with Britain (I suspect Ethiopia might be a flashpoint and who get's Italy's colonies) and most importantly to prevent Germany from having good relations.

Just like for decades Europe needs Russia's resources for their economies and energy, something that will only get worse in the future and this time only Britain has a great supply in the forms of the Trucial states and Kuwait.

indeed if the Russians can form up, then they have a good future ahead of themselves

 

[SenatorChickpea]

Interesting end to the war. I'm sceptical of how well the Italians performed- the French had, to my understanding, probably the best alpine troops in the world. The Italians, let us say, did not.

But that's a nitpick- and after all, the chief purpose of this is to end the war so we can resume our focus on how Ottoman society develops.

 

[Hawabin]

So Germany is fucked!

 

[SenatorChickpea]

He was, but that only goes so far when attacking a well-entrenched enemy with superior troops in a hostile environment where your own numbers mean less.

Of course, as I said- it's a very minor objection.

 

[haider najib]

Damn the german monarchy fell, also lost saar region? How did france get that otl, they had a vote and remained german.

 

[SenatorChickpea]

Alpini ?

I'm not a military historian, so I'm happy to be corrected here- but while the Alpini were good at their job, my understanding was that the standard was set by the French mountain troops. If I've picked up completely the wrong idea though, I'll willingly admit it!

 

[Gokbay]

Have 3 questions.
1.what happened to german colony of Burundi ?
2.You said russians on behalf of poles demanded Danzig ,map shows Danzig is still in German hands.
3.What are changes to Japan's colonies in South Pacific

1. Sārthākā posted a map. Look at it. (Annexed by Belgium as OTL)
2. Demanded does not mean get. They demanded it but did not get it.
3. In OTL they gained Micronesia which is gained by the British ITTL. (Also they had gained the German concession in China OTL but ITTL China (re-)gained that)

 

[Sarthak]

Interesting end to the war. I'm sceptical of how well the Italians performed- the French had, to my understanding, probably the best alpine troops in the world. The Italians, let us say, did not.

But that's a nitpick- and after all, the chief purpose of this is to end the war so we can resume our focus on how Ottoman society develops.

The Italians only really did good on the southern plains where the alpine troops are largely not placed

 

[Sarthak]

Have 3 questions.
1.what happened to german colony of Burundi ?
2.You said russians on behalf of poles demanded Danzig ,map shows Danzig is still in German hands.
3.What are changes to Japan's colonies in South Pacific

1. Sārthākā posted a map. Look at it. (Annexed by Belgium as OTL)
2. Demanded does not mean get. They demanded it but did not get it.
3. In OTL they gained Micronesia which is gained by the British ITTL. (Also they had gained the German concession in China OTL but ITTL China (re-)gained that)

Gobkay has the right of it

 

[Sarthak]

So Germany is fucked!

Partially I guess.

 

[Sarthak]

Damn the german monarchy fell, also lost saar region? How did france get that otl, they had a vote and remained german.

There was no vote held. The French wanted a larger buffer for inland defense so they took the Saar for it. No plebiscite held at all

 

[Lions21]

I don't think the Russians would be ok with having a communist republic on their borders

 

[sarahz]

One last grand offensive...........All or Nothing!

Well it always works so well....

 

[Sarthak]

I don't think the Russians would be ok with having a communist republic on their borders

It's not a communist Republic.

 

[Sarthak]

Well it always works so well....

Indeed *sarcasm*

 

[Pio2013]

One should notice the greeks earned first hand Great War experience while fighting along Spain, Great Britain and France. I dont know the national implications of this, but the experience will prove very valuable in the future.

Edit: When i say national implications, i mean a sort of ANZAC day but for greeks (the April 14th?), closer relationship with Spain and France, among many other points.