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[50+ Likes] A Man, Not a Devil (alternate USSR), by FancyHat
A Man, Not a Devil: An Alternate History Map
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This is a map of an alternate history where Vladimir Lenin dies in 1923 instead of 1924, leading to Joseph Stalin being sidelined and eventually exiled while Nikolai Bukharin takes over as leader of the Soviet Union. The USSR under Bukharin continues with the New Economic Policy and Korenizatsiya, almost the exact opposite of the forced collectivization and Russification policies Stalin would pursue in our world; furthermore, Bukharin being nowhere near as paranoid and brutal as Stalin (not to mention less powerful), there's nothing like the Great Purge. Soviet industry and agriculture grow at a slower but more sustainable pace as a result, and the country sees greater foreign investment and even immigration. The country's people are not only wealthier and more numerous but (somewhat) freer: the Trotskyist disdain for bureaucracy is appeased somewhat by the institution of local democratic self-government, while on a larger scale the Russian SFSR's dominance within the union is tempered somewhat by Bukharin's strategy of playing Russia's Bolsheviks off local allies in the rest of the union's member states. Incidentally, Latinization of the Soviet Union's languages also continues

Not all is well with the world, of course. In China, the momentarily triumphant Kuomintang fragments into left and right wing factions and restarts the warlord era. The global economy collapses roughly around the same time as in our world, although in some ways it's less severe and others more. Germany also suffers horribly from the Great Depression, which propels the National Socialists and Adolf Hitler to power in an unlikely coalition with the Stalinist-influenced Communist Party of Germany. (Even in our history the KPD was more sympathetic to the Nazis than the Social Democrats, and this was before Lenin had died.) This world's NSDAP is more economically left-wing, but quickly makes concessions to capital in order to speed up remilitarization. As part of this, Hitler liquidates the KDP shortly after he attains supreme political power; the most loyal party officials are folded into the NSDAP hierarchy and the rest imprisoned or executed. That rapid remilitarization is hampered by the USSR's implacable hostility to Nazi Germany, and without Stalin's willingness to come to terms with Germany at the expense of Eastern Europe that never changes.

Nazi Germany's relationship with Italy is weaker than our history, beginning with a relative lack of German material support for the right-wing forces in the Spanish Civil War (which, combined with a more cohesive Spanish left, results in a Republican victory). Hitler also pushes for the annexation of Italy-friendly Austria more forcefully than he did in our world. While Italy still participates in the Anti-Comintern Pact, Hitler distrusts Mussolini and puts more importance in strong relationships with Romania and Yugoslavia. Japan is still a German ally, and after winning this world's equivalent of the Battle of Khalkhin Gol pushes into Mongolia and restores the Mongol Khanate as a client state. Events escalate until 1939 when Germany invades Poland, forcing Britain and France to declare war. Instead of partitioning Poland with the Soviet Union, Germany's aim is to take territories it lost in 1918 and carve more puppet states out of the rest. This goes smoother than the German high command expected thanks to the brief civil war that breaks out over whether Poland should allow Soviet military aid. The anti-Soviet faction surrenders to Germany in the hopes of a lighter peace, and Poland's forced into participating in Germany's invasion of the USSR.

Meanwhile, the Germans open a new front in the west, hoping to occupy the Low Countries, defeat France, and threaten Britain. Unfortunately for them, there was no analogue to the Mechelen incident so German invasion plans are less refined even as they have less industrial capacity than our world and a still active eastern front and partisan activity in occupied Poland and Hungary (the latter having been invaded earlier in 1940 after negotiations over border adjustments with Romania break down). Consequently, three German armies smash into the Franco-British defensive line in Belgium and are forced into World War I-esque trench warfare. At this point, Mussolini repudiates his alliance with Germany and declares Italy neutral in the new conflict; a year of negotiations with France and Britain later, he once again changes his position and sides with the Entente. By now even the United States has entered the war, although its focus is on war with Japan while Britain and France are able to hold Germany back with American material aid. Nevertheless, Hitler refuses to back down until he's assassinated in 1942 in a plot orchestrated by Franz Halder, Chief of Staff of the German High Command. The Wehrmacht takes political power and sues for peace while turning inward to eliminate the SA.

Japan takes a year and a half more to fall, but in the meantime its ongoing occupation of China (ostensibly aiding Chiang Kai-Shek's Right Kuomintang) spawns an independent leftist and nationalist insurgency led by one Mao Tse-Tung that grows to encompass most of the southern provinces by the time Japan surrenders. Mao agrees to an awkward power-sharing arrangement with the Soviet-backed but unpopular Left Kuomintang/Kuominchun alliance, which predictably falls apart a couple years later. The Soviets are unable to fully commit to another major war, even in defense of an ally against another "heir of Stalin," and the Communist Party of China sweeps into Beijing while the KMT and KMC are forced to flee into East Turkistan.

The world in 1965 is a divided one, but what those divisions are is somewhat open to interpretation. The United States is friendly to both the USSR and the UK, but less so with France due to Soviet and American support for Vietnamese revolutionaries. The UK and France, in turn, are cold towards the Soviets and cordial towards Italy, which has its own bloc of fascist states it shares with Integralist Brazil and (sometimes) Argentina. With more options to choose from and stronger colonial empires, there isn't much of a "third world" in international relations, although there are definitely states that act outside of the large power blocs for one reason or another. Serbia-Bosnia and Turkey are both unhappy with Britain, France, and Italy for various reasons but not willing to participate in international power politics, while Saudi Arabia's fine selling oil to anyone. Germany and China are international pariahs. The former is still ruled by Franz Halder and the NSDAP, and though the government was purged of its most radical members, and the systematic extermination of Jews in German territory was aborted by the Wehrmacht Coup then used to discredit the SA, Germany is still an unpleasant place to live if you're an average German and horrific if you're a Jew, Roma, or part of any other undesirable class. The Reich's relations with other great powers are cold but correct at best, hampering its economy, although it's still a somewhat significant exporter of chemicals and machinery. China, meanwhile, is pursuing a Cultural Revolution and forced rapid industrialization, and constantly threatens war with all of its neighbors. To many, though, the greatest threat to the world's future is neither of these countries but instead the cold realpolitik brinksmanship of the great powers, all of which possess some unknown amount of atomic bombs and increasingly sophisticated means to deliver them.

More than anything else, the modern world is defined by uncertainty. The Soviets just put a man around the Moon. Who knows what the future has in store?
 
At a guess, it isn't you.

Square up.
Oh no, I was just making a joke. I meant that talking about Colonial Powers. If the powers were people, a rude British Empire would have probably laughed at the small colonial empire Denmark had, but the British Empire fell, and all Denmark lost was Iceland. I wasn't trying to make that come off as rude to other people in the thread.
 
The Danish West Indies were just as bad as any of the Caribbean colonies, with a slavery-powered cash crop economy, and a post-emancipation system to keep the former slaves as an easily-controlled source of cheap labor. Danish outposts on the Gold Coast participated rigorously in the Transatlantic slave trade. The Estonians and Norwegians also weren't always so thrilled with their Danish overlords, and the rule is sometimes compared to that of England in Ireland.
I don't know much about Danish rule in Estonia but comparing Danish rule in Norway to English rule in Ireland is a bit absurd, sorry. I know the "400 years' night" is a thing in the Norwegian national narrative, but Norway was basically fine under Danish rule, and Norwegian peasants were usually better off than Danish ones (for instance: stavnsbåndet, the system of serfdom in Denmark between ~1730 to ~1790 that banned peasants from leaving (in basically any capacity) their lord's estate between the age of (initially) 14 and 36, or (later) 4 and 40, didn't apply to Norway, and the massive increases in taxes in the Danish realm to pay for the wars in the 1600s were lighter in Norway compared to Denmark proper (although still quite hefty)). Comparing that to the colonial brutality of English rule in Ireland is more than a bit ahistoric.
 
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Evangelsk Oblast and the Russian Far East, by Kruglyasheo
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The initiator of the construction of the city of Evangelsk (also known in English as Evangelion, cf. Arkhangelsk/Archangel) was the poet, engineer and chairman of the All-Union Council of Evangelical Christians Ivan Prokhanov, who had previously managed to create several effective agricultural Christian communities in different parts of the Soviet Union.

The project was supported by the secretary of the Anti-Religious Commission Yevgeny Tuchkov. Tuchkov's support, most likely, was explained by the desire to free the large cities of the Soviet Union from evangelicals and gather them all in one place, where it would be easier for his department to keep track of them. Prokhanov wanted to build Evangelsk in Altai at the confluence of the Biya and Katun rivers, but in 1927 the Politburo decided to resettle the evangelicals to Lake Khanka, where rice-growing artels of local evangelical Christians already existed.

The settlement of the territories between the Trans-Siberian Railway and the Chinese border was part of the state policy of that time. In 1928, the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR adopted a resolution on assigning free lands of the Amur strip of the Far Eastern Krai to working Jews, although in 1926 the possibility of placing them in the Crimea or Altai was considered. In April, the first Jewish settlers began to arrive at the Tikhonkaya railway station. It was they who gave the future city the name Nayshtot (Yiddish for "new city").

After the adoption of the new Constitution of the Russian Federation in 1993, the Far Eastern Krai was divided into its constituent oblasts, so the Jewish Autonomous Oblast and Evangelsk Oblast became federal subjects of the Russian Federation.​
 
Wait so the Allies just let the Nazis go? Why?
The war ITTL had turned into something similar to WWI, which is something that, as I understand it, everybody at the time was horrified of more than just about anything else. So the motivation to take an easy end to the war is there, helped by fears of Soviet expansion (lessened ITTL but still present).
What's more is that Halder, the guy in charge, was the origin of the infamous "myth of the clean Wehrmacht" IOTL and works to construct a similar narrative here: he's just an honest German patriot and so is the military, but they were led astray by the "mad excesses" of Hitler, Strasser, et al. I don't think the Entente + Italy's leadership is especially convinced by it, but they're willing to use it as an excuse to stop the war. Halder also hands them several high-ranking Nazi figures to face trial for war crimes (incidentally removing some potential internal rivals).
To tell the truth I went back and forth on whether the Nazi Party sticks around after the coup, and while I ended up going with it surviving I'm not totally wedded to the idea. In any case it's very much subordinate to the Wehrmacht at this point ITTL.
 
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The initiator of the construction of the city of Evangelsk (also known in English as Evangelion, cf. Arkhangelsk/Archangel) was the poet, engineer and chairman of the All-Union Council of Evangelical Christians Ivan Prokhanov, who had previously managed to create several effective agricultural Christian communities in different parts of the Soviet Union.

The project was supported by the secretary of the Anti-Religious Commission Yevgeny Tuchkov. Tuchkov's support, most likely, was explained by the desire to free the large cities of the Soviet Union from evangelicals and gather them all in one place, where it would be easier for his department to keep track of them. Prokhanov wanted to build Evangelsk in Altai at the confluence of the Biya and Katun rivers, but in 1927 the Politburo decided to resettle the evangelicals to Lake Khanka, where rice-growing artels of local evangelical Christians already existed.

The settlement of the territories between the Trans-Siberian Railway and the Chinese border was part of the state policy of that time. In 1928, the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR adopted a resolution on assigning free lands of the Amur strip of the Far Eastern Krai to working Jews, although in 1926 the possibility of placing them in the Crimea or Altai was considered. In April, the first Jewish settlers began to arrive at the Tikhonkaya railway station. It was they who gave the future city the name Nayshtot (Yiddish for "new city").

After the adoption of the new Constitution of the Russian Federation in 1993, the Far Eastern Krai was divided into its constituent oblasts, so the Jewish Autonomous Oblast and Evangelsk Oblast became federal subjects of the Russian Federation.​
I don't think China and North Korea would appreciate having a city of Evangelicals sitting right at their border.
 
Federated Commonwealth of New England, by Sārthākā
What if New England seceded during the War of 1812?
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With the federal government dismissing New English concerns and the British seemingly turning their full attention to America, New England panicked in 1814 as the Hartford Convention took place. With the panicky atmosphere in the air, the senators and governors of the New English state urged urgency, and that if their demands were not met one last time, then secession would take place. An urgent list of demands is sent to Washington, all of which are rejected by Madison, who deems the demands to be propestorous. It was the last straw. One by one, the 5 New English states seceded from the Union, declaring several grievances, most of which were centered around the War of 1812 and their economies. Days later, the seceded states formed the Commonwealth of New England. Backed by Britain - or Old England as the New Englanders called them - the New English won their independence at the Treaty of Ghent, with America unable to push for its reintegration with its military in shambles.

Thoughts and comments? The coat of arms are not mine and is from this source
 
What if New England seceded during the War of 1812?
With the federal government dismissing New English concerns and the British seemingly turning their full attention to America, New England panicked in 1814 as the Hartford Convention took place. With the panicky atmosphere in the air, the senators and governors of the New English state urged urgency, and that if their demands were not met one last time, then secession would take place. An urgent list of demands is sent to Washington, all of which are rejected by Madison, who deems the demands to be propestorous. It was the last straw. One by one, the 5 New English states seceded from the Union, declaring several grievances, most of which were centered around the War of 1812 and their economies. Days later, the seceded states formed the Commonwealth of New England. Backed by Britain - or Old England as the New Englanders called them - the New English won their independence at the Treaty of Ghent, with America unable to push for its reintegration with its military in shambles.​
I won't try to poke holes in the premise since that's, like... the point of the map (though I'll say that secessionism was far too radical for even the most rabidly Federalist officials--most wanted a separate peace which would trigger a judicial civil war as opposed to a physical one), but I will ask why New Ireland (a province that Britain wanted to chisel out of Northern Maine and probably parts of then-Nova Scotia, now-New Brunswick) and Plymouth (which hasn't had a unique culture free from Boston in centuries) would be independent states under an independent New England?
 
... And here's what I've been working on for the last month-and-a-half I haven't been active.

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Got the idea while talking to @Entrerriano while he was working on his lovely Qbam map for the same thing, though I had the benefit of not finishing this one until it could garner enough criticism for me to make a more accurate patch. This is mainly based off of maps from Euratlas and Omniatlas, if anyone wants to make something similar.
I don't usually plug my patches here, but this one was a lot of work and I'm quite proud of it, so I didn't there would be much harm in posting here, as well. Feel free to ask any questions if you see anything wrong.
 
50 cents bet the US rump, with New England gone and with it a prominent base for abolition, devolved into a "Draka lite" with slavery being industrialized in a manner similar to Nazi industrialized slavery or what Japan did in Manchuria.
Perhaps, but how common was that phenomenon in history really?
 
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I realise this isn't really alternate history, but it is a map. Basically I looked up stuff about some countries and put it in a map. The red are countries with a world record for the country. I am NOT counting the people who have world records or the country with the most guinness world records. Ok, let me explain.
America and Canada both share the longest border in the world. Denmark has the largest colonial empire in land size. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has the longest name. Andorra has the world's oldest unchanging border. South Sudan is the youngest country in the world. North Macedonia has the youngest country name. Russia has the most land size, China has the most Population. Luxembourg is the richest country. Burundi is the poorest country. And Botswana and Zambia share the world's shortest border. I'm going to stop flooding this thread, now. (please keep it active)
No one else seems to be asking, What is Switzerland's world record?
 
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