Map Thread XXI

My subverted version of TL-191 is done!

Bonus WIP of an old-school-esque cyberpunk map I'm working on.

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[50+ Likes] Republic of Insular Great Britain, by Kruglyasheo
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for, like, another fifteen years or so.
– O'Brien, probably​
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From Nineteen Eighty-Four:
Victory Cigarettes; Blue shorts, grey shirt, and red neckerchief of the Spies; The enormous fluted column with Big Brother’s statue at the top and a statue of a man on horseback which was supposed to represent Oliver Cromwell; The first real mention of Big Brother at some time in the sixties; The atomic bomb that fell on Colchester.​

From OTL:
FYROM/North Macedonia naming dispute; Temporal Transnistrian ruble (1993-1994); Flags of AR of Ajara/AR of Abkhazia; Peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh; Chernobyl Exclusion Zone; GOST 7.67=ISO 3166; Akademset=Internet; Macedonian/Belarusian half-socialist national emblems; Post-Soviet renaming of cities but not oblasts.

There are a few other minor references here, but let's consider them easter eggs. Also posters.​
 
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If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for, like, another fifteen years or so.
– O'Brien, probably​
BvJATVg.png

From Nineteen Eighty-Four:
Victory Cigarettes; Blue shorts, grey shirt, and red neckerchief of the Spies; The enormous fluted column with Big Brother’s statue at the top and a statue of a man on horseback which was supposed to represent Oliver Cromwell; The first real mention of Big Brother at some time in the sixties; The atomic bomb that fell on Colchester.​

From OTL:
FYROM/North Macedonia naming dispute; Temporal Transnistrian ruble (1993-1994); Flags of AR of Ajara/AR of Abkhazia; Peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh; Chernobyl Exclusion Zone; GOST 7.67=ISO 3166; Akademset=Internet; Macedonian/Belarusian half-socialist national emblems; Post-Soviet renaming of cities but not oblasts.​
I love the note of the banknote. It's just a gloriously blatant lie.

Also "Great Brittany".
 
If you want to imagine the future...
The way you took the Party's slogans and made decent posters out of them is incredible.
Let Napoleon win and voilá, you get a Portugal that doesn't hold any of Portugal, but continues to claim its titles, holds its monarchy and inherits its empire, building a large transcontinental empire with posessions from the Amazon to New Guinea, passing by the Old Guinea.
And a very powerful Portugal-in-exile at that: they were able to reshape Antarctica into their seal XD

Seriously though, it is a nice map. How are relations between Brazil and whatever sort of Portuguese government Napoleon set up in Europe?
 
[50+ Likes] Moroland: Frankenstein's Monster of Southeast Asia, by Maharlikan_

Moroland: Frankenstein's Monster of Southeast Asia​

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After the Great Eurasian War between Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan from 1969 to 1976, much of the Middle East, India, and East Asia was left devastated due to missile attacks, aerial bombings, and a minor nuclear exchange near the end of the war. While the physical fighting occurred right at the borders of India and Turkestan, Southeast Asia still suffered from the aforementioned attacks that left several countries like the Philippines, Indonesia, and Indochina in a state of instability and revolution against both their governments and their dying Japanese masters. Seeing this as an opportunity, the United States and her allies set about funding and supporting potentially breakaway states and rebellious factions within the German and Japanese Spheres, resulting to what is now known as the "Second Spring of Nations" in the 80s and early 90s, resulting to the downfall of both Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Now left as the sole superpower in the world, the United States and the United Nations set about stabilizing the regions that were formerly under the Axis spheres, but the U.N. being the U.N. means that some of their plans, in hindsight, would seem not only unreasonably dumb but completely ignorant in considering certain aspects of a region, one of whom being the former Japanese-controlled Malay Archipelago. While Malaya came out of the chaos rather stable with U.N. support, Indonesia and the Philippines were plunged into a civil war during the Second Spring of Nations, and by 1992 is dominated by regional factions that declared their own independence from the remains of their former nations, with the latter being more splintered than the former. In Mindanao, the Muslim-led Moro National Liberation Front under Nur Misuari managed to defeat both the Government-loyalists, the Communist New People's Army, and the Bisayan-led Republic of Mindanao in the chaos and established the Bangsamoro Federation in 1989. After consolidating their power in Mindanao, Bangsamoro then led several incursions against the Free State of Palawan and the North Borneo Administration, still held by the remaining radical factions of the Imperial Japanese Army. Palawan fell rather easily as its government surrendered to prevent bloodshed between them and the Moros, but the Japanese in North Borneo fought to the last man, with nearly 3000+ IJA soldiers being either killed in combat or throwing themselves in suicide attacks much like their Moro Counterparts' more radical factions, with the fighting finally ending by 1995 when the U.N. and the New Japanese Government demanded a ceasefire between the two belligerents, which the Moros and the IJA accepted half-heartedly.

During the Peace Conference for the Philippines and Indonesia, the Moro Government demanded that Brunei and Sarawak belongs to them due to very dubious historical reasons along the lines that Brunei are the Moros' historical roots too as Brunei's Royal Family and Sulu's Royal Family intermarried in the 1500s. On the other hand, the Malayan Government demanded that North Borneo belongs to them since both have similarities in Culture, Currency, and History. Finally, pro-independence factions within North Borneo demanded Independence from both sides, but their pro-communist stance proved to be unpopular with both the Muslim and Christian locals in North Borneo. To settle the issue, the United Nations held a referendum in August 16, 1997 to determine whether North Borneo would either be handed over to Malaya or Bangsamoro, become a new independent state, or become split between the two countries. The referendum was controversial, as there are reports of heavy interference on the ballots as well several reported cases of gunfights between pro-Bangsamoro groups and pro-independence groups in Sabah. After a four days of elections, the results were announced two days later that North Borneo would be ceded to Bangsamoro to the surprise of the delegates in the referendum. The Moro Government in Cotabato City (now renamed to the more historical Kutabato City) celebrated the referendum extensively, with August 22 becoming the official start of "Independence Week" that is celebrated as a countdown to the country's Independence Day. On the other hand, the referendum sparked protests all over North Borneo as Pro-independence and Pro-Malaya groups pleaded to the U.N. to repeat the referendum, but their demands fall on deaf ears as the Zamboanga Accords was signed between Bangsamoro and the delegates of the U.N. and Representatives from North Borneo on August 28, officially recognizing Bangsamoro's sovereignty over North Borneo and Southern Philippines. At the same time, The Bangsamoro Government officially renamed themselves as the United Federated States of Moroland, with Zamboanga City becoming the new Executive capital of Moroland and Kuta Kinabula becoming the new third capital as the Judiciary.

On the first day as the President of Moroland, Nur Misuari cracked down on Pro-Malaya and pro-independence sentiments to pacify North Borneo while in Mindanao the government negotiated with the majority Christian population to reach a compromise in terms of autonomy and religious freedom, which Nur Misuari agreed with to promote coexistence between Muslims and non-Muslims. On October 12 Presidential Decree no.1 is signed into law as the "National Reorganization Plan" which seeks to create new Federal States and Regions within Moroland, with North Borneo being divided into several new states not only to make governance more easier but to also weaken the influence of separatist sentiments within the local population. Additionally, despite being a officially a Federal Government the President exercised near-authoritarian power over the other branches of government, having the ability to completely overrule any decision by the Congress and the Supreme Court as well as the decisions of the local state governments. With these executive abilities, Nur Misuari ruled Moroland as an autocrat for 19 years, using his authority to silence any signs of dissent and tensions between the minority Muslim populations of Bangsamoro and Sabah and the majority Christian populations of Mindanao, Palawan, and Sarawak until his sudden death due to Heart failure on January 6, 2016. For a replacement, the country held an a national election for the first time in its history. The election period was filled with political violence as the the Bangsamoro National Party, formerly the Moro National Liberation Front, struggled to maintain their control of the state, but when it became clear that the secular Democratic-Republican Party led by the Bisayan mayor of Davao, Rodrigo Duterte, was about to win, the acting President Ahod Balawag Ebrahim launched a self-coup and declared the elections as unconstitutional due to alleged attempts of "communist" forces to take over the country. Almost immediately, protests began all over the country, with Muslims even siding with their Christian compatriots to end the authoritarian rule of the B.N.P. and restore democracy as intended in the constitution. In response, President Ebrahim ordered a crackdown of all anti-government protests and declared Martial Law, sparking even more protests and reawakening separatist sentiments in North Borneo as well as left-wing movements such as People's Democratic Front of Mindanao and the CPP-New People's Army. Fighting officially began between government forces and insurgents began on April 10, when the Moroland National Army were ambushed by Communist Forces near Malaybalay City in the state of Bukidnon. In response, President Ebrahim ordered the first rounds of Mass Arrests that will become common as the years go by, with as many as 120,000+ people being detained for political reasons, with allegedly 45,000+ people being "disappeared" allegedly by the government as reported by the Human's Rights Watch. The Indigenous Peoples of Mindanao, namely the Lumads, and of North Borneo are also experiencing oppression as the M.N.A. militarizes their villages for anti-communist operations and arresting any indigenous chieftain and representatives that dares to protest against the presence of the police and the military.

Despite the ramped up presence of the military and militias, the insurgents continue to grow in numbers, with the Bruneian Independence Front and the CPP-NPA reaching nearly 60,000 members as of 2021. Aid and support for the insurgents primarily comes from neighboring countries opposed to Moroland such as the Federal States of the Visayas, the Tagalog Republic, East Indonesia, and the United States, while Moroland is currently recieving aid from Indonesia and the Republic of China. The regions of Brunei, Sabah, and Mindanao are in open revolt against the Moroland Government, and would continue to be so for an additional six years until President Ebrahim was overthrown in a "People Power" Revolution and subsequently executed by communist forces, ending both his authoritarian rule and Moroland as well as North Borneo declares independence from them, while a more democratic party takes over in mainland Mindanao to proclaim the Federation of Mindanao.

For now, however, the Authoritarian Government of Moroland enjoys its total grip over the country and its people, completely unaware that their vain attempts to hold on to power would lead to their own demise several years down the line.

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Wrote this while under meds, so I apologize if it sounds weird.
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If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for, like, another fifteen years or so.
– O'Brien, probably​
That's really cool, especially all the small images you've put together

Can you post those posters separately?
 
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First of all, thank you Clandango, for all your criticisms and feedback. I will attempt to explain some of your frustrations comments. Also, keep in mind that i am not professional or anything. This is my second project ever (ever!) in paint.net or anything like that. I am just some 14 y/o history fan and hobbyist who wanted to have some fun. You are replying as if i am to publish this in some Atlas and it has to be pixel perfect. I am learning as much as i can.
I feel the previous borders might have been more practical for Poland.
Why? The previous borders were the post WWII borders decided by the Polish People's Republic/Soviet Union. The current borders (for the most part, except western Galicia) are far more realistic, as they follow Congress Poland borders, and these borders were planned for long.
Why is East Prussia separated in such a way? If they are democratizing or changing governments around in Germany, I don’t see why that area alone is left alone. Might be good if they also had West Prussia or part of New East Prussia. All areas outside of the former Holy Roman Empire and the German Confederation. Though if they got all the German land outside the HRE in that area it would mean getting Posen. Let’s see, the Poles of Posen, Kashubians of West Prussia, Masurians of East Prussia... Yes, I suppose it might be a bit of a risk taking on too much land. Still, having East Prussia getting Danzig means they can get a decent amount of government income from the ports and tariffs.
I think you are misunderstanding what this color difference means. This differance color means an autonomous region within a nation, not a 'satellite' as you refer to it later on. Think of the Autonomous Regions within China (Tibet, Xinjiang, ect.). East prussia is 'seperated' because of the very mixed population, assuming germany made the region more autonomous before the later influx of german migrants. Giving the rest of prussia (ie. half of germany) more autonomy would be absurd because of...well... just that - it would be to large a region, creating a legislative split. Imagine drawing an arbitrary line down the middle of america seperating east from west. This would cause a split in population. Autonomous regions are created essentially as exceptions for regions that require autonomy as a result of a chasm separating it from the rest of the country (eg. ethnic, linguistic, cultural differances, or maybe even economic in the case of SEZ). Prussia comprises half of germany, with practically no differance in ethnicity. Prussia emerged essentially as a military region, not something different from germany. I might will give danzig a seperate autonomous region.
The thing with Hungary is extremely impractical. It is made up of a bunch of different polities, and all together they unlikely to have a Hungarian or Magyar (depends in the paperwork what they classify the Székelys, who has centuries of being distinct from other Hungarian Magyars. Get complicated when the names for nationalists, languages, and ethnic groups overlap. Anyways, might have a Magyar plurality, but you are going to have lots of Romanians, Serbians, Swabian, and Hungarians living in large clumps throughout Banat, plus Romanians, Szekelys, Gypsies, Hungarians, Saxons, and others in Transylvania. Even if you keep Transylvania as a sattelite of sorts, I suggest pushing the the Hungarian border eastward to get areas the Romanians were not supposed to take after WWI but seized anyways. Linking some maps from Wikipedia. I do think you can do some fun and interesting stuff in this area, but you may want to have it were some land is back with Hungarian, some autonomy is shown in others, and maybe Banat and Transylvania are not the same.
Hungary in this timeline reformed more and become a sort of constitutional monarchy, looking at european liberal democracies. They became less oppressive of minorities and allowed more autonomy for banat and transylvania. In the end Hungary wants a common "Pannonian identity", whatever that is. Again, these regions are not satellites!
I will push the hungarian border more eastword then, to encompass hungarian-majority regions. Could you link these lands which romania "seized anyways"? I completely forgot banat! I will split it from transylvania.
Looking closer at a corner of your map I see you have mention of a Transylvanian Uprising, though it is unclear from the wording if the autonomy caused the uprising or was a result of it. Almost a shame this is modern day, as I would be fascinated to see how an uprising or civil war in an area with these borders would be. When did the Austrian-Hungarians split up here again? The Hungarian monarchy was already technically a constitutional one (depends who you ask and if the Austrians were in charge)
The transylvanian uprising was caused by the fact romanian regions within transylvania were not given higher autonomy following the liberal democratic reforms of hungary. People expected more respect for the region yet they were not (despite the importance of the region). the 'uprising' was more like a peaceful demonstration with some damage to government buildings. Again, you seem to have misunderstood here. Austria-hungary did not exist in this timeline. you could not know this of course, but well, in this timeline, hungary was very powerful (this is mentioned multiple times in the map text).
and... Hmmm. How did Croatia become a Republic? Ahhh, think I see it now. When the empire collapsed the Croatians used this to cut their ties to the Austrians and Hungarians? Or where they a part of the Illyrian Kingdom mentioned for Slovenia?
They became a republic because... i dont know. Popular pressure maybe? german intimidation? idk, didnt think about these details. again, there was no austria hungary. There was the illyrian kingdom, which had the borders of this. You may have seen that croatia has banovina borders. i mentioned in the text that these came from plans for a unified south slavic state (yugoslavia).
On a side note, Czechia is the way the Czechs pronounce Bohemia and given Malta, Gibraltar, Switzerland (the British and most large countries guaranteed the independence of Switzerland and its worthless land after the Napoleonic Wars so that they would no longer rent out their armies of fearsome mercenaries to other countries. But only after they rented them themselves to fight the French), and some other things, it seems the British lost a war. The main one being the Channel Islands. Those have been with England since before the English language was spoken in a way we could comprehend, so it is rather far back a POD. It is fun when maps do have the French get it, but it needs an explanation.
Czechia is a name used since czechoslovakia pretty much and before that bohemia was used for like a millennium. so yeah that is the more logical name (given czechoslovakia never existed in this timeline). Also, you talking about british losing a war is not relevant here, because this map is based around The Great Treaty or whatever i called it in the map and around General Parliament (said this in the introduction text of the map). Countries negotiated about things to make europe more 'peaceful'. Giving malta to naples is very logical seeing its proximity. I could argue the same for the chanel islands but i will give them to britain seeing its historical connotation.
All together a promising map though and you have stuff you can build on if you do want to expand it. And for whoever made all those flags. Great job. At first I thought Monaco was on there, before realizing Bohemia had the same flag as them and Poland.
Thank you! Do you maybe have some tips for the white space? The flags are pretty much all from wikipedia and then just resized to fit the box. There is not magic involved,
it's automatic pixel art!
 
@Ikigai I don’t expect it to be pixel perfect, nor was I frustrated. I only decided to comment on some things I wondered about from the first map, since you did lots of updates on the second map for certain things based on the advice of others and had been acting for advice on the keys, so I assumed you were planning to update the map periodically. As for the border of Poland, the newer version seems a bit more jagged and might make railways more difficult. It partially comes down to what time period the border was set in I suppose as people would have different priorities. Countries to tend to feel a little antsy when they have territory easy to snip off, but it depends on how friendly the neighborhood is. Remember, it is just my opinion. As for true borders Romania and Hungarian were supposed to have after WWI depending on certain agreements and certain ceasefires, it actually probably isn’t too reverent here. Just checking the maps I liked you could give you an idea of where Hungarians were and they can keep bits here and there. It is up to you how much they keep and how much they leave in Transylvania prevent it from joining Romania. For Bohemia, you can probably put the white lion on a red shield onto the top of their flag. Might not be obviously different from the Polish flag when the flag is shrunk down, but the shape should be clear enough. Plus internationally countries tend to do this. Like Liechtenstein and Haiti with their flags when they saw how similar they were, or how Czechia IOTL kept the blue triangle on their flag (against their first agreement with Slovakia about neither of them using Czechoslovak symbols) so it wouldn’t be confused with the flag of Poland. Ahhh, any one other thing. If you wish to show countries aren’t satellites but are autonomous, we use a shade of grey here.

Anyways, hopefully my initial post (and maybe this one) didn’t seem overly aggressive or criticizing. I have a habit of asking for various details when I am confused of intrigued by certain things on maps. Like with the alternate history timelines on here, us being able to ask the creators let’s us see the world unfold before us.
 
East prussia is 'seperated' because of the very mixed population, assuming germany made the region more autonomous before the later influx of german migrants.

East Prussia was more than half German by 1830.

Now, West Prussia (and Poznan/Posen) having autonomy would make a lot more sense, Germans were not majority there (or they might have been with West Prussia overall but there were large areas with Polish majority). While East Prussia was much more German than either those two regions.
 
Greater Bulgaria, by Karolus Rex
Made this map, that is not to be taken seriously in any way, it's just a silly map for me to try some new stuff in inkscape so there's not really much "lore" on how things came to this state of affairs, or indeed how this mess of an "empire" is even supposed to work, and I guess that's it.

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Inner Arabia should be Najd, Najd should be Al-Hasa

no. The region Najd has been called as such in ottoman administration since 1871 upon the establishment of the sanjak of najd. The word you are looking for is the Nejd for inner arabia

That being said Najd is just a different Romanisation of Nejd rather than a different word. While establishing the Sanjak it was probably meant to include the interior region too, but the state didn't have much influence in there.

But yes, while the region is Al-Hasa the Ottoman administration called it Nejd. Regarding Inner Arabia, Jabal Shammar could maybe work if Rashids conquered the Sauds?
 
It's finally here.

With results from previous encounters standing at 1 - 1, it's time for the decider.

With their Barca captain retired, the Kinaani will rely on home grown talent, Traïnós from I-Shpania, plus Noki on the Phalanx.

The Quirites have had major problems with their captains since the last encounter. After the tragic death of their captain from Marathon many strikers competed for the captaincy but the son of the "Farmer", a previous captain, will lead the Quirites.

The Quirites are fresh from defeating strong opponents in the Parni and Baiuvarii but are still smarting from injuries received. The Kinaani have only played locally for some time but they still look strong.



Which of these opponents will come out on top;
 
It's finally here.

With results from previous encounters standing at 1 - 1, it's time for the decider.

With their Barca captain retired, the Kinaani will rely on home grown talent, Traïnós from I-Shpania, plus Noki on the Phalanx.

The Quirites have had major problems with their captains since the last encounter. After the tragic death of their captain from Marathon many strikers competed for the captaincy but the son of the "Farmer", a previous captain, will lead the Quirites.

The Quirites are fresh from defeating strong opponents in the Parni and Baiuvarii but are still smarting from injuries received. The Kinaani have only played locally for some time but they still look strong.



Which of these opponents will come out on top;

I don't see any image?
 
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