Crosspost with the WIP thread. This is a WIP of a 50s punk map.
Not so much Mega (Lake) Chad, as GIGA (Lake) Chad!
Also, you have built several canals.
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Not so much Mega (Lake) Chad, as GIGA (Lake) Chad!
Also, you have built several canals.
Atlantropa: Lake Chad vs. Virgin MediterraneanNot so much Mega (Lake) Chad, as GIGA (Lake) Chad!
References to George Washington as 'Town-Burner' are peppered here and there in literature talking about Sullivan's Expedition. The Visions of Handsome Lake provided the actual Seneca name for him. The Quote is ATL, but borrows from things both Cornplanter and Handsome Lake said in OTL.
TheScottishMongol
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People really give too much importance to the idea of "resettlement" when it comes to ISOTs.
1) After a certain point your population moves past the demographic curve (increased access to contraceptives and improved rights of women are the leading factors) and you just don't grow as fast. By this point your population is mostly urban and it's very hard to convince urban day laborers to pick up stakes and become subsistence farmers.
2) Improved technology, though hampered depending on the circumstances of the ISOT, makes unchecked growth unrealistic. Humanity has never and will never be the cancerous growth some ISOT maps seem to imply, there's a point where you don't need that much farmland (hell, in 2018 IRL we can see the small town just dying) and aside from mining and transportation there's no real need for governments to mess with Virgin Earth once they have a sustainable food base. Eventually renewable energy will make even that obsolete (unless you have a good reason why that never happens, like the ISOT descends into an anacap hellhole that only survives on eternal consumption, or it's run by Jeffersonians who artificially strangle cities in favor of the yeoman farmer).
3) Virgin Earth is hard to settle. Even when Europeans came to the New World the land had been managed by Native Americans for centuries, the old growth forests would be far more thick with underbrush if it weren't for them, and it's just a lot of damn hard work that only agricorps will have the manpower and equipment to do efficiently. The age of the yeoman farmer ends even quicker than in OTL.
Sure, people will want to move out on their own, but they will always be a huge minority, and there's a difference between population growth and settlement. And it seems like half the time people are just coloring bits of the map to color them in, there's no actual thought put in.
This isn't to say @CtrlAltHistory doesn't have a good map, in fact I like it a lot!
It's just...people who make ISOT maps really need to think differently about certain tropes imo.
EDIT: Also there are some places that NOBODY will want to settle. Look up the trouble European women had giving birth in the Colonial Andes and decide if the silver deposits are really worth it. Or ask why anyone would want to live in the Middle East when your society might just as easily be developing renewables by now.
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Soooo a similar premise to the Terra Nova series? Cause thats sweet I always loved this idea and this map and write up sound and look great
A number of issues first hand.
First off, I can't see the communists winning in Italy. Even if the FDP won in the 1948 election, it is far more likely that it would break up, or just a more left Italy for the time before the Christian Democracy jump back into power next election.
And even then, Moscow has no way of getting aid to Italy. Austria, West Germany and Yugoslavia is blocking the way.
It is also it's very difficult for the Communist side to win in Greece, even if Wallace ran a maintained a policy of appeasement and non-interference. Even then, it is much more likely to be under the wings of Tito and Yugoslavia, forming his own power bloc. Or have the UK step up and you have a divide Greece with a Monarchist South and Tito Red North.
No go with Turkey going Red.
With Wallace....no one like him. Like at all. the DNC and Democratic leadership heavily distrusted Wallace, seeing him as a 'apostate Republican' and a 'doe-eyed mystic' and the Republicans saw him as trusting the USSR too much and a fool. He would be made a fool for letting the USSR run wild and gets murder in the elections by the GOP. (Likely Dewey.)
Quebec leaving Canada and beating it in? HOW? They'd be crushed economically by Ottawa alone. Canadian Tanks, and Canadian Jets would beat Quebec into next week. And why would Quebec annex the Maritimes? That would only add more very pissed off English speaking Anglos to deal with.
On the USSR turning Eastern Europe as SSR's...again, WHY? HOW? It makes no sense. Never did Stalin of all people wanted to annex Poland, even all the way back to 1920. (Let alone Romania Czechoslovakia, Hungary...) This is why they had the Warsaw Pact: Moscow's satellite nations was defensive barriers against the West. It would be too costly and it would diminished the ethnic Russian majority in the USSR and made things more unstable.
HOW did Reagan become President with the POD being in the 1940s?
Why would Brazil annex all the Spanish Speaking states?
USSR in Alaska? They never had the logistics to do that.
France going Red? The UK, West Germany, USA, and Spain would march into Paris while France burn. The Reds in France are more likely to burn themselves out before they could even think about taking power.
Let alone Europe won't go Red either. You much more likely get a a European alliance to stop the Soviets from taking over the continent.
The IRA would never take over Northen Ireland as long as there is a London. The SAS would carry out a very bloody suppression to get the job done.
Man, I’m always a sucker for -punk worlds. (Espicically one with great athletics!) What is the quality of life like in the Western Bloc as compared to the East. Also, what’s the sitch with India and it’s block of allies? I look forward to seeing the final map.
AN ELBA THE SIZE OF THE EARTH
A NAPOLEON ISOT
Comments and critiques welcome, as always!
I really love this! I love the idea of showing various stages of the IOST on one map, and the religion and language. I also like the somewhat realistic growth of France here. Few questions though. Is the Pink nation supposed to be Haiti? Also, what are the languages of Eastspeak and Occetain?
Yes, the pink nation is Haiti. Eastspeak is a sort of French-leaning French/German hybrid (which is a lot like a description of English now that I think of it), and Occitan is the OTL already-existing language family of the Occitan culture of southern France.
fashbasher
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A Rojavawank (for a certain definition of Rojava) - The Democratic Community of Afro-Eurasia
Core Kurdistan appears in dark red; pink areas are "fellow traveler" areas with libertarian socialist (in practice, unreformed Nordic model + localism) governments friendly to the Rojavan cause (Kerala, West Bengal, most provinces of Turkey (Thrace, Anatolia, and Turkish Kurdistan area all members), and the Peloponnese have local governments that are aligned closely with Rojava while Catalunya, Crimea, , and Somaliland are effectively independent states operating under a federalist socialist framework. POD: ASB collapse of the Turkish economic and political climate in 2008-2009 results in the HDP being able to lead a parliamentary coalition and agreeing to a Turkish Federation in which both Turkish nationalists and Kurds will have significant autonomy at the local level. Note that two Kurdish republics (Rojava and Iraqi Kurdistan) are now members of the UN. Reports are brewing that pro-Rojava forces are mounting in their American and Canadian allies, with 12 Rojava Democratic lawmakers, elected in 2016, being crucial to a Democratic majority in the House.
Core Kurdistan appears in dark red; pink areas are "fellow traveler" areas with libertarian socialist (in practice, unreformed Nordic model + localism) governments friendly to the Rojavan cause (Kerala, West Bengal, most provinces of Turkey (Thrace, Anatolia, and Turkish Kurdistan area all members), and the Peloponnese have local governments that are aligned closely with Rojava while Catalunya, Crimea, , and Somaliland are effectively independent states operating under a federalist socialist framework. POD: ASB collapse of the Turkish economic and political climate in 2008-2009 results in the HDP being able to lead a parliamentary coalition and agreeing to a Turkish Federation in which both Turkish nationalists and Kurds will have significant autonomy at the local level. Note that two Kurdish republics (Rojava and Iraqi Kurdistan) are now members of the UN. Reports are brewing that pro-Rojava forces are mounting in their American and Canadian allies, with 12 Rojava Democratic lawmakers, elected in 2016, being crucial to a Democratic majority in the House.
Hapsburg
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It's almost certainly a Neon Genesis Evangelion reference. In which, in the film that capped off the original series, Lilith reformed from merging with her human avatar and literally brought all of humanity unto her bosom. By appearing before them in said human avatar, hugging them, and turning them into tang.Not sure I get the reference here.
What sort of administrative reform happened? The borders of the counties look pretty much unchanged.
I am guessing the Kingdoms of Croatia and Slavonia were completely swallowed up. Perhaps it would have something to do with no need for the Military Frontiers. Or a greater need. Come to think of it, someone could probably get a decent map out of completely depopulating the Croatian, Slavonian, Transylvanian, and Banat Military Frontiers and filling them with Magyars, Germans, whatever. Horrible for the people who were dispossessed, and pretty unwise given how it is not like the soldiers would have wives and large families or keep populating the area with.... But hey, how often do we see maps of good things anyways? No, misery is what makes the AltWorld go round. Excluding Male Rising.
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Basically, the various privileged and special areas got incorporated into the county system, and also some adjustments for the older counties were implemented as well.
A mini-map about alternate North America in 1825.
Premise: New France somehow survives, and later becomes the USA of this timeline.
Also: New Netherland; two english-speaking states: slaveholding Columbia and FRA-influenced New England; multi-cultural, revolutionary, and fairly democratic Free State of El Dorado (founded by spanish, french, english and russian settlers); Mexican Empire; independent Florida (with columbian settlers); and Russian America. Northeastern Canada remains unclaimed and unsettled (for now); however, Danish crown seems to preparing for claiming the land soon.
Darker color depicts territories, paler with dark-grey border depicts indian reservations.
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Did the Anglo-Prussian coalition get defeated in the Seven Years' War?
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