List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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1974-1981:François Mitterrand
def: Valery Giscard d'Estaing
1981-1995:Raymond Barre
1981 Def: François Mitterrand
1988 Def: Andre Lajoinie

1995-2009:Robert Hue
1995 Def: Jean-Marie Le Pen
2002 Def: Bruno Mégret

2009-2016:François Bayrou
Def: Dominique Voynet
2016-????:Jean Lassalle
Def: Benoit Hamon
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Ronald Reagan 1981-1981. Defeated Jimmy Carter in a landslide only to be shot dead by John Hinckley.

George H. W. Bush 1981-1987. A moderate who was during his time in office credited with saving the economy defeating Walter Mondale in a landslide in 1984 with Mondale only winning Minnesota and Washington D.C. In 1986 it was released by Hezbollah that George H. W Bush was selling weapons to Iran and giving the profits to the Contras. Oliver North was arrested with incriminating documents leading to Bush's impeachment and removal for treason, perjury, terrorism, and obstruction of justice. Vice President Howard Baker took a deal to testify before congress to save himself from removal.

Howard Baker 1987-1989. Howard Baker's term was uneventful besides the firestorm created by Irangate in which he tried to get on good terms with the public but the public had made up their minds. The Republican Party saw him as a traitor and the Democrats saw him as a crook who should have been impeached. He ran for the Republican nomination managing to contest the convention leading to Pat Robertson stealing the nomination despite coming in 3rd. Howard Baker refused to endorse him.

Gary Hart 1989-1997. Gary Hart defeated Pat Robertson in a landslide. He began a policy of detente with places like Cuba, Nicaragua, and continued detente with the USSR. In 1990 he told Saddam Hussien to back off from invading Kuwait. Saddam agreed as long as Kuwait paid for stealing his oil. Kuwait under pressure from the UN agreed and for his efforts, Gary Hart was given the Nobel Peace Prize in 1991. in 1992 he won over Robert Dole. During his second term, the country had a small recession in which he cut taxes for the middle class and taxed the rich for a stimulus bill. In 1995 he increased the minimum wage to a living wage.

Joe Biden 1997-2001. Joe Biden defeated Jack Kemp with ease. Joe Biden, however, was hampered by health during his term in which Vice President Ann Richards had to take over 6 times. Combined with a small recession due to increased tensions with Iran thanks to Saddam Hussien backed terrorist attacking Tehran killing 193 people in several mass shootings. In 1999 Columbine mass shooting Colorado furthered sank his approval ratings as Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura criticized him for not doing more to stop terrorism. Jesse Ventura preceded to call for universal mental healthcare as healthy Americans to him was a national security issue and an end to supporting dictators like Saddam. Jesse Ventura easily won the Republican nomination as a "Roosevelt Republican" and barley defeated Joe Biden

Jesse Ventura 2001-2009. Jesse Ventura would go down as the greatest president in modern times. Despite the controversy over the state of Texas and the losing the South, he powered through with his tough on terrorism policy. He cracked down on US aid to dictators and despite protest lifted sanctions on Cuba and met with Fidel Castro. He ramped up efforts on clean energy and conservation with the help of Speaker Newt Gingrich. He fought against conservatives like Trent Lott from his own party to legalize Homosexuality and push for anti-discrimination laws. In 2003 he passed the mental health act which made mental health resources free for everyone. This led to a decrease in depression and suicide. In 2004 Jesse Ventura defeated the tickets of Lott/Robertson of the Freedom Party and Richards/Brown of the Democratic Party in a landslide. In his second term, he reduced the US nuclear arsenal and abolished the CIA. In 2007 he cut the military budget by $80 billion leaving office with a 61% approval rating.

John McCain 2009-2009. John McCain defeated Andrew Cuomo and Kevin McCarthy for the presidency in another landslide. He would be assassinated by a member of Al-Qaeda 9 days after the inauguration.

Joe Lieberman 2009-2017. After becoming president after the murder of John McCain he continued his policies. He passed a tax decrease and increased food stamps. He funded nuclear energy and got re-elected in 2012 against Barack Obama. In 2017 the Democratic establishment collapsed to the Socialist-Labor faction of Bernie Sanders in which he defeated Secretary of the Treasury Barney Frank to become President of the USA.

Bernie Sanders 2017-present. His term started with the start of the Second Iraq-Iran war siding with Isreal, Iran, and Kuwait. The future though is expected to be bright...

1981-1987: Ronald Reagan / George Bush (Republican)
def. 1980: Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic); John B. Anderson / Patrick Lucey (Independent)
def. 1984: Walter Mondale / Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)

1987-1989: Ronald Reagan / James Baker (Republican)
1989-1993: Lee Iaccoca / Dick Gephardt (Democratic)

def. 1988: Bob Dole / Lynn Morley Martin (Republican)
1993-2001: Carroll Campbell / Larry Pressler (Republican)
def. 1992: Dick Gephardt / Dale Bumpers (Democratic)
def. 1996: Al Gore / Harris Wofford (Democratic)

2001-2005: Lee Iaccoca / William Cohen (Independent)
def. 2000: Paul Wellstone / Gary Hart (Democratic); Dick Armey / Frank Keating (Republican)
2005-2013: Joe Biden / Bob Graham (Democratic)
def. 2004: John Kasich / Fred Thompson (Republican); Jesse Ventura / Ron Paul (Independent)
def. 2008: Rick Santorum / Pete Domenici (Republican)

The POD is that Reagan gives the Tower Commission- the commission that oversaw the Iran-Contra proceedings- a wider berth, leading to his administration coming under greater fire. Fearing that St. Ronnie's head is on the platter, a few members of his inner circle hatch a plan to make Vice President Bush the fall guy. Bush resigns from office in disgrace, leaving the 1988 Republican nomination wide open, though somewhat poisoned.

Dole, expecting to be able to win by virtue of straddling the line between being a worthy heir to Reagan and being distant enough from the administration where he's not touched by the stain of scandal, wins the nomination. On the other side of the aisle, everyone and their mother's decided to run for the Democrats. Tip O'Neill cautions him against it, but Lee Iaccoca runs for president believing that a crass, experienced businessman-turned-political neophyte who'll protect the working man economically is just what the country needs. A string of decisive victories in the Midwestern and Mid-Atlantic primaries- coupled with the South being split between Al Gore, Jesse Jackson, and Lloyd Bentsen- allows Iaccoca to win the Democratic nomination. He selects his former primary rival Dick Gephardt to be his running mate. Dick's a little sore, since Lee stole the "champion of labor" lane out from under him, but understands the need for someone to navigate Congress. Gephardt realizes that he's effectively being handed the "Co-President Gerald Ford" position, and eventually accepts.

Despite his accomplishments in office- restructuring the tax code to incentivise Research and Development, Industrial Policy as drafted by Treasury Secretary Paul Tsongas, and welcoming Eastern Europe into the global marketplace as the Soviet Union closed up shop- President Iaccoca grew tired of having to push legislation through Congress. As a recession hit the country in the later days of his presidency, an increasingly intractable Iaccoca more or less handed the duties of governing over to his Vice President. It was only a formality that Lee would declare his intentions to sit out the 1992 race.

Gephardt was a decent Vice President, but not the best campaigner- he appeared dull during speeches and befuddled when hit with questions on the administration's failures, such as the muddling effort in Iraq. On the Republican side, the smooth, Southern Carroll Campbell managed to win the nomination for the Christian Right, and after having beaten Gephardt, governed accordingly. The first 100 days saw an axe taken to the welfare rolls, and the two terms after that saw congressional battles over the Federal Marriage Amendment, television and cinematic censorship, and trade deals. Most notably, however, was his "astute prosecution" of the Taiwan Strait crisis- having rallied up just enough public support for the "defense of freedom worldwide" in the face of China's pressure on Taiwan, the hawks in the Pentagon bullied Jiang Zemin into backing down from the ledge.

Historians cite the Taiwan Strait crisis as the beginning of the US's problems with China. Their being shunted out of the WTO was Act Two of the three act play that would define foreign policy in the 2000s.

It started when Paul Wellstone, running as the champion of the Democratic wing of the Democratic party, won the dems' nomination. Seeing the danger of a political landscape dominated by the "Far Left" and "Far Right", Iaccoca stepped back into the fray, as he was constitutionally eligible to do so.
Though Iaccoca's relative inaction exacerbated the '91 Recession and led to the Iraq War, the American public longed for the days when the Simpsons were still legally allowed to be on TV and when you could show skin in a movie. Iacocca dominated amongst moderates and independents, and with the help of some Union Democrats in the Rust Belt and Business Republicans in... well, everywhere they are, Lee successfully pulled off a Cleveland.

The Second Iaccoca Administration was one without much fanfare, up until Late 2001, where the president voiced his fierce opposition to admitting China into the WTO. While this was a decision hailed by American manufacturers, it caused tensions between the US and Wang Huning's China to flare up. After years of the "New World Order" being weakened under the protectionist Iaccoca, the nationalist Campbell,and then Iaccoca again, China decided to take their ball and go home, creating an alternate WTO. As a result of this, the irritated international community turned their backs on the US- the UN saw its authority gutted again, bilateral trade agreements became the new norm, and most importantly, NATO members decreased their contributions- prompting a pissed off Iaccoca to do the same.

It was due to this decrease in defense spending that Vladimir Zhirinosky, after several years jockeying for the top spot in Russia, decided to make a bold gamble and seize some of the USSR's territory for old time's sake. As Russian forces stormed into Crimea, then Kiev, and from there into Belarus, the weakened NATO struggled to quickly get its act together.

It was against the backdrop of the Ukrainian War that Joe Biden, the former chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, would become the finest wartime president since Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Truman. As a result of his actions, "Joseph the Liberator" has a few streets in Kiev named after him, and his son's the current Ambassador to Ukraine.

Ethan P

I felt that this could use some expanding upon, so here we go.

Part One:
Presidents of the United States (my first official list)
1-43: Unchanged (Except 2004, where John Kerry picks Dick Gephart for VP, and wins Iowa. It doesn't do jacksh*t for Ohio though.)
44. John Edwards (2009-2013)
2008 (with Eliot Spitzer: def. John McCain/Joe Lieberman, Rick Santorum/Tom Tancredo)

Since Edwards was not picked for VP in 2009, he manages to retain his Senate seat by a wide margin. This, combined with butterflies, means his scandals never come to light. Or they just don't happen. This results in him winning the nomination at the 2008 DNC as a compromise candidate (since his campaign is much more competitive, he wins much of the Southern states, as well as a few perceived 'safe Clinton/Obama' states due to vote splitting. Eventually, he reaches an agreement with Senator Clinton, where Edwards agrees to picking a moderate candidate for Vice President. He selects Governor Eliot Spitzer (whose scandals have also been butterflied away) for VP after he wins on the 1st ballot. (NOTE: Am I using the term 'compromise candidate' correctly here?) Despite the relatively uneventful DNC, Edwards remains at a virtual tie with McCain in the polls. Seeing this, McCain picks Lieberman for VP, in an attempt to pull over dissatisfied Democrats. This goes poorly, a la Hope, Change and Nutmeg, and Rick Santorum ends up running as an independent. Coupling the Great Recession with a split GOP results in the biggest Democratic blowout since 1992, and Democrats win several more Senate seats than in OTL, including Kentucky, Georgia and Mississippi, where Democrats are able to field better candidates. This is where Edward's successes end, though. The defeat of several senior Republicans (Mitch McConnell included) results in a much, much stronger Tea Party movement, which manages to install one of their own as House Minority Leader (Mike Pence--he was still in the House at the time). With the economy remaining sluggish, Democrats lose the House in a rout in 2010, although the Senate Democrats fare much better, due to their Southern members being boosted by Edwards' relative popularity in the region. In the 2012 GOP primaries, Mitt Romney is able to establish himself as a Reaganesque figure, which allows him to triumph in both the primaries and the general election (although it should be noted that Edwards won the popular vote by fifty thousand, and Democrats maintained control over the Senate.

****This is my first try at an official Presidents list, please tell me how I can do better. Thank you****

Edit: Above is the electoral map for 2012. Light red shows Romney’s tipping-point state, North Carolina.
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Ethan P

I felt that this could use some expanding upon, so here we go.

Part One:
Presidents of the United States (my first official list)
Part Two:
45. Mitt Romney (2013-2017)
2012 (with Marco Rubio: def. John Edwards/Eliot Spitzer, Dennis Kucinich/Howard Dean)

If you had to describe Mitt Romney’s term in one word, it would be “unfortunate”. Although he campaigned earnestly, both up and down the ballot, he only managed to squeeze out a win in Edwards’ home state due to vote-splitting, losing the popular vote and keeping the Republicans locked out of the Senate. Still, the GOP kept the House, which would entail him some success in passing his agenda, right? Wrong. The GOP, now that they were in some semblance of control, began bickering amongst themselves. The President and House leadership publicly split at least 10 times, with the most notable example being on the American Healthcare Act (John Edwards’ version of Obamacare). While Romney supported replacing it with a more watered-down, moderate replacement, the Minutemen Conference (TTL’s version of the Freedom Caucus) wanted it gone. When Romney didn’t budge, they pushed it through the House anyway, where it wound up in the Senate. When the Romney-supporting Senate Minority Leader, Gordon Smith, (he wins re-election, because moderates are fun) refused to bring it up for a vote, the already chaotic GOP split into two—the Moderate Republicans, and the National Conservatives, led by Senator Mike Lee and Speaker Jim Jordan (Speaker Pence’s mishandled email server led to an FBI investigation, which resulted in his resignation). This public split, combined with a stagnant economy, led to a full-scale Democratic Revolution—think Republican Revolution on cocaine and steroids. The last two years of Romney’s term, though, are just as sh**ty. A feud with VP Rubio leads to his (Rubin’s resignation), an investigation into his time as governor uncovers mishandling of confidential documents, he meets a fierce primary challenge in the form of former Governor Mike Huckabee—by the time he lost re-election, he almost seemed happy that he lost. Although most people still rank his presidency as mediocre-to-dismal, his public reputation has seen a drastic recovery.
Tammy Baldwin (2017-2025)

2016 (with Elizabeth Warren): def. Mitt Romney/Sam Brownback/, Marco Rubio/Ted Cruz

2020 (with Elizabeth Warren): def. Nikki Haley/Joni Ernst, Donald Trump/Rick Scott
Even though the GOP was tearing itself apart, Democrats weren't exactly in a better spot. For one, they had over 40 candidates running for President--moderates like former Alabama Governor Doug Jones, progressives like Illinois Governor Barack Obama, unity candidates like former SecDef James Stavridis and even crackpots like vehement anti-Romney radio host Alex Jones (relax, he gets less than 0.1% in polling.) In the end, though, after front-runner Eliot Spitzer crashed and burned thanks to a prostitution scandal, and various other candidates cancelled each other out, dark-horse Senator Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin clinched the Democratic nomination by the times the DNC convened in Toldeo, Ohio. Nominating fellow female progressive Governor Elizabeth Warren for VP, she walked out of the convention with a 7-point polling lead and a slate of endorsements, including that of ex-Presidents Carter, Clinton and Edwards (who declines to pull a Cleavland due to his wife's death in 2014). In stark contrast to the massive success of the DNC, the Republican convention in Las Vegas was a sh*tshow. A dragged-out primary challenge from Mike Huckabee leaves the GOP hobbled heading into the convention, where VP Gordon Smith is hastily dumped by Romney in order to woo over several high-profile delegates. Enraged, a pro-Smith faction of the GOP storms out. However, when Romney declines to pick the hardliner Christian conservative governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, for VP, a large slate of a pro-Huckabee delegates stage a walkout, instead backing former VP Marco Rubio for President on the Freedom Party ticket. While Romney was able to hold his own in the first debate with Senator Baldwin, the second debate--which Rubio was able to attend due to reaching 15% in polls--saw the incumbent President hit with a volley of attacks from the anti-Romney conservatives, leaving Tammy Baldwin to walk away from the debate with her integrity largely intact, and with both Romney and Rubio severely damaged by each other, she was able to completely steamroll them both during the third debate, where both were forced to respond to their economic policies, which did not play out well for either candidate. By election day, Senator Baldwin became the nation's first female president and its first LGBTQ president, winning over American voters with well over 73 million votes.

To be continued...

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Red= Republican
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1955-1965: Richard Nixon (Republican)
1956 (with Walter Judd): Adlai Stevenson (Democratic)
1960 (with Walter Judd): Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic),
various unpledged southern electors
1965-1972: Jimmy Hoffa (Democratic)
1964 (with Henry M. Jackson): Jim Rhodes (Republican)
1968 (with Henry M. Jackson): Nelson Rockefeller (Republican), Walter Reuther (Peace and Freedom), John G. Crommelin (National States' Rights)

1972-1982: Jimmy Hoffa (American)
1972 (with Herman Talmadge): Gerald Ford (Republican), Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic), J. B. Stoner (National States' Rights)
1976 (with Herman Talmadge): Howard Baker (Republican), Mo Udall (Democratic), J. B. Stoner (National States' Rights)
1980 (with Joe Biden): Richard Nixon (National Union), Bob Richards (National States' Rights), Eugene McCarthy (Independent)

1982-0000: Joe Biden (American)


by John Daniels - North American Reporter, The Guardian

JANUARY 3 - Although the United Kingdom is missing the authoritarian aesthetic of George Orwell's classic novel 1984 the reality is unfortunately different for its ally across the Atlantic. The United States is currently in the grips what may very well be the death spasms of its democracy. Although damaged by the paternalistic presidency of Richard Nixon, it would be the long authoritarian rule of former union boss Jimmy Hoffa that would bring Lady Liberty to her knees. Although Hoffa expected a much longer rule, he would be unexpectedly found dead in the Lincoln Bedroom in July, 1982.

Now the presidency is occupied by the inexperienced and controversial Joe Biden. Conventional wisdom would dictate that with former President and opposition leader Richard Nixon in exile in London, the presidency is Biden's to lose. But that conventional wisdom does not hold water when faced with the peculiarities of the American political system. This article will examine President Biden and his various political opponents and try to cast a better light on who will truly occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue next year.

The Potential Candidates
President Joe Biden (A-DE): President Biden would be a much clearer frontrunner were it not for the circumstances that brought him to his office. Considered by many to be a last minute replacement for the scandal-ridden Herman Talmadge during the 1980 presidential elections, Biden was never seriously expected to occupy the Presidency. His relationship with President Hoffa was characterized as distant, particularly when Biden made one of his many public gaffes. But now Joe Biden is President and he has faced significant resistance from members of the American political establishment. Many see him as a bit of a break from the more hardline policies of President Hoffa. Additionally, Biden has not been able to effectively manage Hoffa's political machine. In the last few months there have been leaked rumors that the Hoffa administration collaborated with elements of organized crime. President Biden's response? He awkwardly declared that "Joe Biden is no mafia whore" at a donor fundraiser last year.
Senator Frank Sheeran (A-PA): President Hoffa's longtime Chief of Staff has recently taken aim at President Biden, going so far to call him "no friend of labor" last year. Sheeran is seen by many as the continuity candidate of Hoffa's core loyalist faction of the American Party. Sheeran has the support of much of the American Party's political establishment and would be the most likely candidate to take over in the case of a palace coup at the party's convention this summer. Sheeran's biggest strength as a candidate is also his biggest liability. Now that many of the figures of Hoffa's administration find themselves looking down the barrel of a criminal investigation many wonder whether Senator Sheeran might be next.
Secretary of Housing Buddy Cianci (A-RI): The former Governor of Rhode Island was brought in by President Hoffa as an olive branch to the defeated and arguably purged National Unionists. Although Cianci would change his party affiliation in 1981 he would become the administration's most sympathetic ear to the concerns of America's political opposition. Cianci has been kept on under Joe Biden and has arguably seen his role expanded as the nation struggles with a new public housing crisis. But Cianci and Biden's relationship has been on the rocks recently. Secretary Cianci recently told a Washington Post reporter that President Biden was "soft on corruption" and "not the anti-corruption candidate" for the upcoming presidential election. It's unlikely that President Biden will stand by his rebellious cabinet secretary after those remarks and Cianci could very well use his firing to wage a primary battle against the incumbent president.
Governor George Wallace (A-AL): The longtime Alabama Governor had maintained a 'quid pro quo' with President Hoffa. In the 1970s the conservative Wallace agreed that he would ensure stability during America's Southern Troubles, which was a period of racial and political violence in which Alabama was one of the worst afflicted states. In exchange Hoffa promised to look the other way on Governor Wallace's more controversial actions. But now Hoffa is dead and Biden has not kept his bargain. Biden's support of Independent black congressional candidate John Lewis has infuriated many southern whites who still remember a time when Lewis gave tacit support to black radicals. Wallace, now in control of a regional political machine that could rival Hoffa's cratering national machine, could give Biden a run for his money in a primary battle or even take his supporters and run on a third party ticket.
House Minority Leader George Bush (NU-TX): Having played the leader of the National Unionists' "loyal opposition" since 1981's corruption investigations crippled their party, Bush is probably the only National Unionist with the name recognition and political connections necessary to mount a credible presidential campaign. Bush has recently taken to attacking President Biden signalling to many that the National Unionists, despite devastating 1982 midterm elections, might be seriously contesting this year's presidential contest. Rumors have only continued to swirl around Rep. Bush's candidacy as former Biden White House staffer Lee Atwater has been seen frequently around Bush's office.
Senator Eugene McCarthy (I-MN): Credited by many National Unionists as the spoiler candidate for the 1980 election, it seems likely that McCarthy will once again throw his hat into the mix. Although initially a left-wing Democrat and a one-time Peace and Freedom supporter, McCarthy has, like the United States itself, become more conservative in recent years. That being said, many still see him as the only left-wing candidate with wide appeal left on the national stage. Many accuse McCarthy of having been propped up by the Hoffa administration in order to dilute opposition votes during the 1980 election. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the long-time Senator and his youth followers now that the dead President Hoffa's political order might be collapsing.
Party Chairman Willis Carto (NSR-VA): The National States' Rights Party's presumptive nominee for this cycle is largely seen as a seatwarmer for the party's most well-known figure, Representative David Duke of Louisiana. Carto's NSRP has long been seen as the legal political wing of white supremacist militias in the South during the Southern Troubles. With the Southern Troubles having been brought to something of an end with the Richmond Accords in 1979, the party has struggled to maintain its relevancy and prior levels of support. Congressman David Duke has brought the party a degree of new notoriety for his constant racially tinged attacks of President Biden and his administration. Its widely presumed that Duke will be the party's 1988 candidate if elections will still be held then. The NSRP has come under fire in the past couple years for backing Dominican warlord Don Black and his Caribbean white supremacist filibuster regime.

Regardless of who ultimately comes out of the American elections victorious, it is likely that the instability of their political system will reach a boiling point. Many analysts expect waves of student protests and labor strikes not seen in the United States since the 1960s. The presidential election will be held in November and more coverage will be provided until then.
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Prime Ministers of Canada
Jean Chrétien (Liberal)
1993 (Maj.): Lucien Bouchard (Bloc Québécois), Preston Manning (Reform), Audrey McLaughlin (New Democratic), Kim Campbell (Prog. Conservative)
1997 (Min.): Preston Manning (Reform), Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Québécois), Jean Charest (Prog. Conservative), Alexa McDonough (New Democratic)
1999 (Maj.): Preston Manning (Reform), Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Québécois), Brian Pallister (Prog. Conservative), Alexa McDonough (New Democratic)

Paul Martin (Liberal) 2001-2007
2003 (Maj.): Brian Pallister (Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Québécois), Bill Blaikie (New Democratic)
Jim Flaherty (Conservative) 2007-2013
2007 (Min.): Paul Martin (Liberal), Daniel Paillé (Bloc Québécois), Bill Blaikie (New Democratic)
2009 (Min.): Michael Ignatieff (Liberal), Daniel Paillé (Bloc Québécois), Jack Harris (New Democratic)
2011 (Maj.): Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic), Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal), Daniel Paillé (Bloc Québécois), , Elizabeth May (Green)

Stephen Harper (Conservative) 2013-2019
2015 (Maj.): Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic), Stéphane Dion (Liberal), André Bellavance (Bloc Québécois), Elizabeth May (Green)
Thomas Mulcair (Liberal Democratic) 2019-present
2019 (Maj.): Stephen Harper (Conservative), Elizabeth May (Green), André Bellavance (Bloc Québécois), Faith Goldy (Action), Niki Ashton (Labour)
Loosely based on some wall of ideas that I came up with
42. Ross Perot/Bernadine Healy (Independent)
(January 20th,1993-September 14, 1993)

1992 Def: Patrick Buchanan/John McCain (Republican) Fritz Hollings/Howell Hefflin (Democratic)
Americans were sick and tired of the same old elephant and donkey, so opted to narrowly elect a Texan. Sure, there were rumors of his sudden and rather concerning fixation with nuclear weapons, but he'd never think of using them... right? Well a nuclear test "outside" of Washington D.C during a trigger happy fourth of July kicked up a major press fuss, especially when the boast of "unpopulated area" turned out to be right smack dab in the middle Fairfax County. In stumbling with the fallout and outrage of the "Fairfax Incident".
The Impeachment process kicked off almost immediately, though Perot remained steadfast (although he had been out of the country when the test occurred, a phone call between him and the military authorities showed him authorizing the test despite civilian losses) even with the 430 to 5 vote in the House and the well above 2/3rds majority of 95 to 4 in the Senate. (Senator Johnston just had to stay put in Louisiana, though he refused to give a clear explanation) Perot refused to budge, and managed to bully a handful of staunchly Perotist supporters into remaining within the White House. This would lead to the unfortunate First Siege of the White House for a week until Perot opted to go out his own way, jumping off the roof of his presidential home, captured infamously on video by several reporters on September 21st.

43. Bernadine Healy/Vacant (Independent)
(September 14, 1993-January 20th,1997)

Immediately taking the oath of office in a Norfolk Naval Yard, she would become the first female president of the United States. She won points in the "fuck Perot" crowd by denouncing the overtly nationalistic genocide. Nevertheless, her comments to the small handful which argued for the second coming settled bitterly with such groups as the Branch Davidians in Texas and still functioning People's Temple within both California and Jones town respectively. Economic wise, it was a slight disappointment with her having to raise taxes more than expected with the new Congressional Budget. She would encourage legislation that treated animals humanely and cracked down on illegal fishing and gambling within rural areas. While repairs to the RPG riddled White House were ongoing, she opted to stay in New York City, with many legislators instead opting to remain in the capitol just for a petty grudge of having her commute every day to work or to Congress. Her small projects such as healthy eating and funding for scientific studies are acknowledged and praised today, though her predecessor's brash and controversial actions often overshadow this forgotten female president.

44. David Koresh/Charles Manson (Republican)
(January 20th,1997- January 28th, 2000)

1996 Def: Mario Cuomo/Bob Kerry (Democratic)
Keeping up with the dystopia, a crowded Republican field resulted in religious firebrand and suspected terrorist David Koresh winning the Republican nomination in a shock to the established political types. Running on a populist economic message intertwined with religious symbolism, he overcame his controversial practice of polygamy to become the first president to openly practice, with him having as many as forty "first ladies".

While his inauguration resembling more of a coronation did spell slight signs of worry, it would be his rash foreign policy that really made more Americans worry. When a second series of revolts and uprisings shook the hardcore dictatorships of Japan, Korea, Manchuria, China and Siberia, along with several southeast Asian regimes and the still kicking Suharto, Koresh opted to back the dictators. While he would later explain in his memoirs that he would "play both sides off of one another, with an emphasis on loving the common slave compared to their cruel masters", his record shows he only met with civil rights leaders a handful of times indirectly and funded (via the CIA) Kim Il Sung and the aging Filipino Marcos dictatorships. A senate investigation would be hamstrung by Koresh, with his personal gutting of the committee leaving them almost powerless. Couple with the mysterious deaths of every supreme court judge, left Koresh with allies to be thrown in, albeit by the skin of his teeth kind of margins when moving them through the Senate.

In terms of what little policy that hadn't been pure populist bullshit just so he would win in '96, the few good things about his administration come into focus. He officially ended segregation in Texas that had been there between the increasing Latino population, so that was nice. As the historians really scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with positive things to say, they emerge with his liberal ideas on love that had the social conservative wing enraged enough that present day conspiracy theorists link to his untimely death. Wanting to become the first president in space and, thinking it would be good PR in order to use the political defibrillator on his already dead re-election bid, he boarded the Challenger Rocket (launch delayed, yet there's still the same problems as in OTL) and millions of Americans saw the rocket explode with cheering instead of grief.

45. Charles Manson/Vacant (Republican)
(January 28th,2000-January 20th,2001)
Charles Manson/Ted Bundy (Republican)
(January 20th,2001-January 20th,2005)

2000 Def: Fred Phelps/Al Gore (Democratic)
Manson was seen as a potentially strong leader, given his political history as governor of California. While he could manage a state, he would only barely avoid having the country fall apart. His first major test came during the election, as the Democrats saw what the republicans were doing and decided "I'll have what he's having" in nominating westbound Baptist Church member Fred Phelps, while attempting to resemble some shred of normalcy with Tennessee Senator Al Gore.

As Gore was ignored by media (save for his Bentson-Quayle style soundbite shredding of Bundy). And then several witnesses came forward to detail what Bundy had done to them, which wasn't pretty, but managed to be salvaged for the fact that Manson would probably live out his term, so there would be no need to worry about a serial killer winding up behind the oval office.

Opting to take a more interventionist role compared to his predecessors, Manson would authorize the atomic glassing of Canada owing to a supposed diplomatic snub during a traditional white house dinner with the Canadian prime minister. While still managing to fuck up Japan with seven atomic bombs, this would pale in comparison to his involvement in starting World War III against the Soviet Union.

As the war raged and Americans listened to news in their underground bunkers among the irradiated ruins of San Francisco, Orlando, Dallas, and Boston, his approval rating slowly melted to the negatives. A Nuclear ceasefire would tentatively be declared between the major combatants during the 2004 presidential election, with Manson campaigning on ending the war, as were the Democrats, who had been locked out of power since Fritz Holling's upset against Reagan in 1984. The Ceasefire was purely a political move to ensure a second term, as private conversations with Manson detailed his intricate plans for phase Two of the War with outlawed Geneva convention chemical weaponry to be utilized agaisnt the soviets. Despite Manson's incoherent ramblings and throwing of allegations of his opponents, the Democrats were finally swept into power with...

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46. David Duke/Joe Arpaio (Democratic)
(January 20th,2005-present)

2004 Def: Charles Manson/Ted Bundy (Republican)
Funny story.

On my most recent play through of Crisis in the Kremlin, Ross Perot was elected president in 1992.

Of course the Soviet Union had no involvement in the elections of any sovereign nation (OOC: We/ they really didn't. No option or extra rubles to do so. I think I hyper perestroika'ed the USSR an extra 3-5 years on life support before I was deposed.)
Bonaparte Survival

r1804-1833 b1769 Napoleon I
r1833-1858 b1811 Napoleon II
r1858-1867 b1832 Napoleon III
r1867-1908 b1836 Napoleon IV
r1908-1935 b1857 Napoleon V
r1935-1971 b1884 Napoleon VI
r1971-1989 b1911 Napoleon VII
r1989-2020 b1938 Napoleon VIII
r2020-20xx b1964 Napoleon IX

Ethan P

Anyone know where the list with an assassinated Kamala Harris and (not assassinated) Tom Wolf is?
*(curiosity, and the website search function is virtually useless
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A Dance of Love and Revolution

William Gibbs McAdoo defeats a very much still alive Warren G. Harding amidst Teapot Dome. Under McAdoo, the United States continues to enjoy the prosperity of the Roaring Twenties, during which, under the direction of the racial moderate Peter Gerry, congress passes a constitutional amendment that allows foreign born naturalized citizens to become President. Unfortunately, the good times don't last forever, and McAdoo is blamed for the depression, leading to the businessman Henry Ford sweeping into power with the promise of solving America's economic woes with the power of the market.

As the depression continues, the stewardship of the largely incompetent Henry Ford doing little to end it and the Democratic Party proving themselves as ineffective opposition, the Socialist Party rises. Popular actor and showman Charlie Chaplin rises as a charismatic leader of the party, with Chaplin and dozens of other Socialist figures being swept into power in the 1936 elections. With Ford being unseated and his successor, Garner, being unable to do anything about the ongoing depression, the now Senator Chaplin leads a popular movement to unseat the capitalist aristocracy and establish the workers as the dominant force in America.

1941-1949: Charles Chaplin of New York/Daniel Hoan of Wisconsin (Socialist)
1940 American Federal Election: Senator Charles Chaplin of New York/Governor Daniel Hoan of Wisconsin (Socialist) Def. President John Nance Garner of Texas/Vice President Paul V. McNutt of Indiana (Democratic) And Senator Robert Taft Sr. of Ohio/Representative Hamilton Fish III of New York (Republican)
1944 American Federal Election: President Charles Chaplin of New York/Vice President Daniel Hoan of Wisconsin (Socialist) Def. Former Vice President Paul V. McNutt of Indiana/Governor Earl Warren of California (National Union)

1949-1953: Charles Chaplin of New York/Henry A. Wallace of Iowa (Socialist)
1948 American Federal Election: President Charles Chaplin of New York/Secretary of State Henry A. Wallace of Iowa (Socialist) Def. Senator Lyndon B. Johnson of Texas/Former Governor Arevell Harriman of New York (Democratic) And Former Governor Earl Warren of California/Various (Republican)

1953-1961: Irving Goff of New York/Dorothy Day of Illinois (Socialist)
1952 American Federal Election: General Irving Goff of New York/Governor Dorothy Day of Illinois (Socialist) Def. Senator Richard J. Daley of Illinois/Senator Alben Barkley of Kentucky (Democratic)
1956 American Federal Election: President Irving Goff of New York/Vice President Dorothy Day of Illinois (Socialist) Def. Senator Earl Long of Louisiana/Senator Adlai Stevenson II of Illinois (Democratic) And Senator Harry F. Byrd Sr. of Virginia/Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina (Natural Order)

1961-1969: Thomas Dodd Sr. of Connecticut/Phillip La Follette of Wisconsin (Democratic)
1960 American Federal Election: Senate Minority Leader Thomas Dodd Sr. of Connecticut/Governor Phillip La Follette of Wisconsin (Democratic) Def. Secretary of Equality and Justice Asa P. Randolph of Alabama/Governor Walter Reuther of Michigan (Socialist)
1964 American Federal Election: President Thomas Dodd Sr. of Connecticut/Vice President Phillip La Follette of Wisconsin (Democratic) Def. Governor Walter Reuther of Michigan/Representative Lawrence Guyot of Mississippi (Socialist)

1969-1977: George Wallace of Alabama/Bayard Rustin of New York (Socialist)
1968 American Federal Election: Senator George Wallace of Alabama/House Majority Whip Bayard Rustin of New York (Socialist) Def. President Thomas Dodd Sr. of Connecticut/Vice President Phillip La Follette of Wisconsin (Democratic)
1972 American Federal Election: President George Wallace of Alabama/Vice President Bayard Rustin of New York (Socialist) Def. Former Secretary of the Interior Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota/Senator Frank Church of Idaho (Democratic)

1977-1985: Ronald Reagan of California/Martha Griffiths of Michigan (Democratic)
1976 American Federal Election: Governor Ronald Reagan of California/Governor Martha Griffiths of Michigan (Democratic) Def. Senator Daniel Cohen of Minnesota/Senator Niilo Koponen of Alaska (Socialist)
1980 American Federal Election: President Ronald Reagan of California/Vice President Martha Griffiths of Michigan (Democratic) Def. Senator Niilo Koponen of Alaska/Former Senate Majority Leader Carl Ziedler of Wisconsin (Socialist)

1985-1989: Martha Griffiths of Michigan/Walter Mondale of Minnesota (Democratic)
1984 American Federal Election: Vice President Martha Griffiths of Michigan/Senate Minority Leader Walter Mondale of Minnesota (Democratic) Def. Governor Sandy Feldman of New York/Governor Tony Mazzocchi of Pennsylvania (Socialist)

1989-2001: Babette Josephs of Pennsylvania/Ernie Chambers of Nebraska (Socialist)
1988 American Federal Election: Senator Babette Josephs of Pennsylvania/Representative Ernie Chambers of Nebraska (Socialist) Def. President Martha Griffiths/Vice President Walter Mondale of Minnesota (Democratic)
1992 American Federal Election: President Babette Josephs of Pennsylvania/Vice President Ernie Chambers of Nebraska (Socialist) Def. Former Vice President Walter Mondale of Minnesota/Senator Dale Bumpers of Arkansas (Democratic)
1996 American Federal Election: President Babette Josephs of Pennsylvania/Vice President Ernie Chambers of Nebraska (Socialist) Def. Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island/Senator Nancy Pelosi of California (Democratic)

2001-2009: George Wallace Jr. of Alabama/Major Owens of New York (Socialist)
2000 American Federal Election: Senate Minority Leader George Wallace Jr. of Alabama/Governor Major Owens of New York (Socialist) Def. Governor Tom Harkin of Iowa/Senate Majority Whip Roy Barnes of Georgia (Democratic) And Senator Jesse Ventura of Minnesota/Representative Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania (Populist)
2004 American Federal Election: President George Wallace Jr. of Alabama/Vice President Major Owens of New York (Socialist) Def. Governor Jill Stein of Massachusetts/Governor Jay Inslee of Washington (Democratic)

2009-2013: Major Owens of New York/Winona LaDuke of Minnesota (Socialist)
2008 American Federal Election: Vice President Major Owens of New York/Governor Winona LaDuke of Minnesota (Socialist) Def. Senate Majority Leader Steve Beshear of Kentucky/Governor Mark Udall of Colorado (Democratic)
2012 American Federal Election: President Major Owens of New York/Governor Winona LaDuke of Minnesota (Socialist) Def. Governor B.D Schweitzer of Montana/Senator Jim Clyburn of South Carolina (Democratic)

2013-2017: Winona LaDuke of Minnesota/Richard Trumka of California (Socialist)

2017-????: Peta Linsday of Idaho/Bill Lee of Massachusetts (Socialist)

2016 American Federal Election: Senator Peta Linsday of Idaho/Governor Bill Lee of Massachusetts (Socialist) Def. Governor Patti Reagan of Oregon/Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana (Democratic)

As New Years Day comes to an end and a new decade begins, the red dawn once again shines on America. In the 80 years since the great Comrade Charles Chaplin was elected as President of the United States, the nation has become a shining beacon of liberty, democracy, and socialism. With a world renowned National Healthcare System, poverty, homelessness, and hunger all but eliminated through the United States's generous social welfare net built by both the Socialist and Democratic parties, and the right of every individual to democratic control of their workplaces through the 28th Amendment, the red flag truly is flying the highest in the land of the free. Not all is well, however. With the United States and it's allies in the Democratic Bloc locked in a several decade long standoff with the Japanese Co-Prosperity Sphere and tensions rising rapidly in the past several years, a Third World War seems almost inevitable now and if that war were to come to fruition, the likelihood atomic-armed powers of the United States and Japanese Empire coming to nuclear blows is high.

It is in this atmosphere that President Peta Linsday, the cool head that has kept America steady for the past four years and her faithful friend and comrade Bill Lee, the first man to walk on Mars, tries to guide the nation forward. But, President Linsday and the nation as a whole is at an impasse. Do everything possible to strive for peace, as the socialist cause always has, or prepare for the final conflict, when the Internationale shall unite the human race?
United Kingdom General Elections:

Gordon Brown (Labour)
def. John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)

Gordon Brown (Labour)
def. William Hague (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)

Michael Portillo (Conservative)
def. Gordon Brown (Labour), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)

Michael Portillo (Conservative)
def. Tony Blair (Labour), Chris Huhne (Liberal Democrats)

Ed Milliband (Labour)
def. Michael Portillo (Conservative), Chris Huhne (Liberal Democrats)

Ed Milliband (Labour)
def. David Cameron (Conservative), Chris Huhne (Liberal Democrats)
1977-1981: Ed Muskie/Stewart Udall
1981-1989: Howard Baker/Donald Rumsfeld
1989-1993: Donald Rumsfeld/John McCain
1993-2001: Mario Cuomo/Ann Richards
2001-2009: John McCain/Lindsay Graham
2009-2017: Andrew Yang/Joe Biden
2017-pres. (2020): Mark Cuban/Tom Clancy
I don't think Yang was old enough to run in 2008
Due to all the ideas I've had that never actually ended up on paper and me realizing after this hiatus that they'll probably never be turned into timelines, I've decided to just put out the ideas on a presidents list. Expect more in the future, including my Nixon in Coolidge's body timeline and a Bush chokes on a pretzel short live election game and a Presidents of Deseret list. The first here is No Longer Bill, a spinoff of Plumber's excellent but unfinished No Longer Jack. No Longer Jack was about Kennedy surviving his assassination but the bullet leaving him like Phineas Gage, a strange erratic form of his old self that is now belittling allies and giving Goldwater an actual fighting chance in 1964. I thought what if something similar happened with Bill Clinton during the 1994 rather haphazard assassination attempt on his life by Francisco Duran.

No Longer Bill

1993-1995: Bill Clinton / Al Gore (Democratic)
1992: George Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican), Ross Perot / James Stockdale (Independent)
1995: Al Gore / VACANT (Democratic) [2]
1995-1996: Al Gore / Hillary Clinton (Democratic) [3]
1996-1997: Hillary Clinton / VACANT (Democratic) [5]
1997: Bill Clinton / Maxine Waters (Democratic) [4]
1996: Jeb Bush / John McCain (Republican), Ross Perot / Dick Lamm (Reform)
1997: Maxine Waters / VACANT (Democratic) [6]
1997-2005: Maxine Waters / Dick Gephardt (Democratic)
2000: Rick Santorum / Terry Branstad (Republican), Peter Navarro / Pat Choate (Reform)
2005-2013: Richard Riordan / George Bush (Republican) [7]
2004: Paul Wellstone / Jocelyn Elders (Democratic), Jerry Brown / Drew Curtis (Reform)
Hillary Clinton / Roland Burris (Democratic)

[1] When Duran's bullet struck the President through his cheek and out his skullcap, almost the entire nation expected that Bill Clinton would swiftly pass away or be put into a coma. Instead, the President made a recovery, although whether it can be called a "full" one is up for debate. He returned to the White House rather erratic, ignoring the applause from his staff and focusing his glare at Al Gore, the man who dared to be Acting President. A coup! Bastard probably sent Duran after him although he had no proof. Clinton becomes increasingly combative and secretive, seeing conspiracies everywhere but also having something knocked loose in him leading to him being more open with his mouth. After going on national television to curse out Newt Gingrich who he called "a fat fascist fuck", the midterm wave becomes even larger (although has a weirdly positive effect on Clinton's approval) and horrifies folks in the Democratic Party including savvy strategist Dick Morris who isn't naive enough to believe the wave was purely due to Clinton's comments. He knows the party overstepped with the healthcare bill and needs to triangulate.

But Clinton is not interested in moderating at all. Seeing Al Gore as part of a vast right wing conspiracy to steal his Presidency, Clinton starts creating a circle of Very Left Wing people on his side, going out of the way to start culture battles to defend Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders's comments on masturbation and legalizing drugs, dumping Lloyd Bentsen for Robert Reich as his new Treasury Secretary, calling Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan a "feudal fuckhead who would turn anyone that didn't personally vote for Goldwater into an indentured servant" on a CNN interview, and going on record in a press conference that he believes OJ "is 100% innocent unlike President Reagan or Senator North are of war crimes." With the culture war brewing, Clinton's personal approval stagnant, and the party's in the trash, Dick Morris continues to scheme with a very out of the loop Al Gore who realizes that Clinton is not all there in his head. After some brief asking around the Cabinet about the 25th Amendment, Clinton learns about Gore's scheming and proceeds to literally fire everyone right of him in the Cabinet to stop the "coup" right in its tracks. Gore wasn't sure before but now is sure that Clinton is dangerous and looks to other methods. He finds himself forced to talk with Gingrich about possibly impeaching the President, a deal Gingrich is happy to agree to in exchange for his pound of flesh.

[2] An avenue seems to come when it leaks that Clinton has been having an affair with an intern. When confronted on this, Clinton doesn't deny it and says "damn right I did", snatching away any chance of catching him in a lie. But this does lead to further investigations which does lead to it coming out that the President was snorting lines of cocaine alongside DC Mayor Marion Barry inside the Oval Office during their discussions on the future of DC statehood. Impeachment proceedings moved quickly as the Moral Majority screamed in rage at the impropriety. And while Clinton would find his defenders, those who now were convinced it was a right wing conspiracy, ultimately he had no allies in the Senate and few of influence in the House except for the fresh new Congressfolk that had come from his coattails. Al Gore would become the new President of the United States and wanting Clinton who had gained a following in the last few months due to his "tell it like it is" attitude and progressivism to stay on his side, tried to work things out. Clinton, defeated and rejected, in a spur of the moment demands that Gore make his wife (who, by the way, is privately really upset about that whole intern thing) the new Vice President. Gore almost spit takes but recognizes Clinton is deadly serious. He does the deed, and Clinton continues to mill about the White House due to his past position and his wife's new one much to Gore's irritation.

[3] But Gingrich comes to collect his debt. Part of the deal for support on impeachment was that Gore would push through a massive package to privatize Social Security for the sake of a balanced budget. This drives Bill bonkers and sees that Al really was a right wing shill after all. Hillary tries to calm him down, explaining this is just politics and that Bill in a different time would have done the same thing, but this only drives a rift between the two. Bill then declares that the people have been betrayed by a right wing conspiracy and only he can fix this mess. He was thrown out, the people's choice, but the people will not have their voice ignored. He announces his candidacy for the Presidency.

A brutal campaign with is launched by Bill against the current President and his wife. Filling stadiums full of supporters, using every dirty trick in the book, calling in every favor he has, Bill uses the full might of his myth that formed during his Presidency and the unpopularity of Gore's Republican-lite policies leads him to impossibly winning the nomination away from the unpopular Gore. Clinton makes no compromise and shows that his campaign represents a movement to the future with his choice of a black woman as his Vice Presidential nominee. The old Democratic Party was dead.

The Republicans meanwhile are hampered by their own success with Gore's unpopularity dragging them down as well. The sheer number of victories in the midterms leads to way too many credible candidates running including the ludicrousness of both Bush Brothers as well as Dan Quayle. The long contentious primaries would end with a contested convention that leads to Jeb Bush, the underwhelming Governor of Florida who learned none of the lessons from his OTL 1994 loss, to be the nominee. Jeb proceeds to do exactly as well as you'd expect, snatching defeating from the jaws of victory and just coming off as a light weight compared to the rhetorical verboseness of Bill.

Meanwhile, Perot runs again but sees most of his economic positions stolen by Bill Clinton which means he mostly just runs as a more socially conservative Bill Clinton, taking only Never Clinton votes that would have instead went to Bush. He would make a bit of a splash in the debates though although Bill mostly hogged the spotlight when he tore into Jeb as "the weakest man alive, the George Constanza of politics." Some of the audience could swear they saw tears in Jeb's eyes.

In the end, it was a tight race, but Jeb was an extremely of imperfect vehicle for the ascendant right while Bill Clinton was the perfect vehicle who could be anything to anyone, whether it be the more conservative Democrats who felt he was just playing a show or those on the left who really saw someone who would do what he promised. Clinton would squeeze through a victory and make history, coming back from impeachment and removal to take back his throne.

[5] Tragedy would strike after the election when President Gore, on route from an APEC summit in Manila, was killed in an bomb attack on his convoy. A Islamist radical named Osama bin Laden would take credit for the assassination, saying this was the price the US would pay for violating the sacred lands during Desert Shield. The short Presidency of Hillary Clinton and the tragedy of Al Gore's death would unite the Clintons once again as even with brain damage, something stirred in the President-elect's heart. In a national address of unity, President Hillary Clinton and the President-elect would announce that every measure would be taken to bring bin Laden to justice and announced a War on Terror.

[6] With American troops in Afghanistan and Sudan and as tensions flared further with Saddam as his use of chemical weapons became more liberal, Bill Clinton would only assume office for a short time before passing away. The bullet may not have taken his life, but it did drastically reduce it and three weeks of coma merely a month after putting his hand on the Bible and saying those solemn words before shuffling off this mortal coil was all. Maxine Waters would take the oath and promise to fulfill the Clinton legacy with every fiber of her being. bin Laden was brought to justice after a long arduous march of three years. Waters would struggle to pass her signature bills with the House still under Republican control, but it's still a time relatively fondly remembered despite the bitter culture wars of abortion, drugs, Ten Commandment monuments, etc. Santorum brought his holy crusade to life at the dawn of the new millennium in an election for the ages, marked with bitterness, anger, polarization, and ultimately exhaustion.

[7] This exhaustion would manifest with a rather moderate normal ticket winning, the California Governor as well as the more introspective, quiet Bush brother. The younger Bush had seen how the country had torn itself apart during the past three campaigns, exhausting the faith of the people. He had seen how almost a decade of war and nation building, propping up shaky regimes in Kabul, Khartoum, and Baghdad had drained the best blood of a generation. He wanted it to be over, and the nation agreed. As Vice President Bush looks to gaining a third term for the Republican Party and continue the relative stability of the Riordan years while Hillary Clinton gears up for a third direct match-up of the families against each other, he feels he is the man uniquely suited to bring about a new era of peace and prosperity.
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Presidents of New England in my TL "let freedom ring: War, Injustice, and the American way" (also in my signature and still being updated).

Note subject to change in the TL

1. Thomas Jefferson 1795-1804
2. Rufus King 1804-1812
3. Henry Knox 1812-1820

4. Marquis Lafayette 1820-1828
5. Zebulon Pike 1828-1835
6. Daniel Webster 1835-1844
7. Floyd N. Leverette 1844-1848**
8. Lewis Cass 1848-1852
9. Jefferson Davis 1852-1860
10. William Seward 1860-1864

11. George J. McClellan 1864-1866 X
12. Zachary Hayfield 1866-1866** !
13. Joeseph Wade 1866-1868
14 Schuyler Colfax 1868-1870
15. William H. English 1870-1880
16. Cordell Davis 1880-1883
** !
17. George Johnson 1883-1892**
18. James Blaine 1892-1896
19. Theodore Roosevelt II 1896-1908
20. William Lincoln 1908-1912

21. Howard Shilo 1912-1917** X
22. Nedreal Alma 1917-1920**
23. Harold Jack 1920-1922** X
24. Francis Bellamy 1922-1923 !
25. Woodrow Wilson 1923-1923 R
26. Burton K. Wheeler 1923-1924
27. Donald McCorn 1924-1932**
28. Jane Addams 1932-1932 !
29. Jefferson Sweetie 1932-1932** !
30. Floyd Olson 1932-1936 2 *
31. Fiollera LaGuardia 1936-1942
32. Hugo Black 1942-1942
33. Henry A. Wallace 1942-1948
34. Theodore Roosevelt III 1948-1951 *
35. E.D Nixon 1951-1954
36. Alexander Patterson 1954-1960

37. Al Mills 1960-1962** *
38. Robin Johnson 1962-1966**
39. Niko Hauss III 1966-1972**
40. Ellie Norton 1972-1978**
41. Freddy Adlai 1978-1984**
42. Gavin Palme 1984-1990
43. Jane Olson 1990-1996
44. David Estes 1996-1996** A
45. Bill Jobs 1996-1998 !
46. Joe Biden 1998-2002
47. Ted Hull 2002-2008**
48. Chris Hedges 2008-2014
49. Orville Harper-Mondale 2014-2020**
50. Niko Hauss V 2020-present**

fictional: **
assassinated: !
acting: A
impeached: X
beginning of the Second Constitution: 2
resigned: R
death of natural causes: *


Keep in mind New England doesn't encompass New England the TL will explain it when it gets to that point and the TL will explain how we got this crazy list of presidents and parties.

Also, have a nice day

Blue Sky.
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1979-1988: Margret Thatcher (Conservative)
def. 1979: Jim Callaghan (Labour), David Steel (Liberal)
def. 1983: Michael Foot (Labour), David Steel (Liberal), Roy Jenkins (Social Democrats)

1988-1993: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
def. 1988: Margret Thatcher (Conservative Party), David Steel/David Owen (Liberal/Social Democratic Alliance)
1993-1995: Norman Tebbit (Conservative)
def. 1993: Neil Kinnock (Labour), Alex Carlile (Social and Liberal Democrats), David Owen ('Continuity' Social Democratic)
1995-????: Gordon Brown (Labour)
def. 1995: Norman Tebbit (Conservative), Alex Carlile (Social and Liberal Democrats), Malcolm Rifkind (Unionist)

So the idea is that the Falklands never happens, and without the patriotic surge 1983 isn't such a big victory for Thatcher. The Brighton Bomb attack is subsequently butterflied, with the Conservatives winning 1983 without the big increase (instead doing around 30% of the vote and 340 seats). Kinnock subsequently wins the next election, and runs the Country about as well as expected. Tebbit becomes Tory leader, and wins the next election on a 'law and order' campaign, and slips in with a narrow majority. The majority quickly erodes, with Brown coming in and winning a respectably large majority whilst the Scottish wing of the Conservative Party just up and leaves.
How about this?
Gordon Brown (Labour): 1995-2005
def. 2000: John Major (Conservative), Alan Beith (Social and Liberal Democrats), Michael Portillo (Unionist)
Margaret Beckett (Labour): 2005-2008
def. 2005: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative), Malcolm Bruce (Social and Liberal Democrats). Ian Lang (Unionist)
Michael Howard (Conservative): 2008-2017
def. 2010: John Prescott (Labour), Simon Hughes (Social and Liberal Democrats), Peter Lilley (Unionist)
def. 2015: Tom Watson (Labour), Chris Huhne (Social and Liberal Democrats), Chris Patten (Unionist)
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour): 2017-
def. 2017: Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative), Ed Davey (Social and Liberal Democrats), Hugo Swire (Unionist)
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