List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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Luke_Starkiller

Luke_Starkiller

Inspired by that one user's LCD Soundsystem-themed list, here's a Talking Heads one

39. "This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around."
1977-1981: Gov. Jerry Brown / Sen. Birch Bayh (Democratic)
Def. 1976: Gerald Ford / Bob Dole (Republican)

40. "Same as it ever was, Same as it ever was"
1981-1989: Fmr. Sec. of the Treasury John Connally / Rep. Phil Crane (Republican)
Def. 1980: Jerry Brown / Elizabeth Holtzmann (Democratic); Fred Harris / Ron Dellums ("True" Democratic)
Def. 1984: Bob Casey / Tony Coelho (Democratic)

41. "Moving into the universe, and she's drifting this way and that / Not touching the ground at all, and she's up above the yard"
1989-1991: Rep. Charlie Wilson / Fmr. Gov. Bob Graham (Democratic)
Def. 1988: Phil Crane / Lamar Alexander (Republican)

42. "In my mind, the weather never changes / Skill overcomes difficult situations"
1991-1991: Vice Pres. Bob Graham / vacant (Democratic)
1991-1997: Pres. Bob Graham / Sen. Bob Kerrey (Democratic)
Def. 1992: Richard Lugar / Mike Curb (Republican); Bob Dornan / Ralph Reed (Taxpayers')

43. "Mommy, Daddy, come and look at me now / I'm a big man in a great big town"
1997-2005: Sen. David Eisenhower / Sen. John Engler (Republican)
Def. 1996: Kurt Schmoke / Pat Leahy (Democratic)
Def. 2000: Jay Rockefeller / Barbara Mikluski (Democratic)

44. "You start a conversation you can't even finish it / You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything"
2005-2009: Sen. Bill Richardson / Rep. Doug Racine (Democratic)
Def. 2004: John Engler / Rick Lazio (Republican)

45. "They've enlisted all their family /They've enlisted all their friends / It helped saved their relationship / And made it work again"
2009-2017: Gov. Bob Riley / Sen. Chuck Hagel (Republican)
Def. 2008: Bill Richardson / Doug Racine (Democratic)
Def. 2012: Jay Inslee / Carol C. Johnson (Democratic)

46. "Towns that dissapeared completely / Pull up the roost, pull up the roots"
2017-present: Gov. Richard Cordray / Rep. Kwame Raoul (Democratic)
Def. 2016: Chris Shays / Jeffrey Atwater (Republican)
 
Anarcho-Occultist

Anarcho-Occultist

With apologies to Marilyn Manson:
The Beautiful People
"And I don't want you, and I don't need you./Don't bother to resist or I'll beat you."
38. George Wallace/Sam Yorty 1973-1977
1972: Def. Edmund Muskie/Alan Cranston, Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew
It's not your fault that you're always wrong
39. George McGovern/Jimmy Carter 1977-1981
1976: Def. Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford, George Wallace/Sam Yorty
The weak are there to justify the strong.
40. Alexander Haig/Jack Kemp 1981-1989
1980: Def. George McGovern/Jimmy Carter, Sam Yorty/Jesse Helms
1984: Def. Ted Kennedy/Paul Tsongas, Jesse Helms/Larry MacDonald
The beautiful people, the beautiful people/It's all relative to the size of your steeple.
41. Pat Robertson/Trent Lott 1989-1993
1988: Def. Mario Cuomo/Jerry Brown, Jack Kemp/Newt Gingrich
You can't see the forest for the trees/You can't smell your own shit on your knees.
42. Gary Hart/Jesse Jackson 1993-1995
1992: Def. Pat Robertson/Trent Lott, Colin Powell/Jim Jeffords
There's no time to discriminate/Hate every motherfucker/That's in your way
43. Jesse Jackson/Jerry Brown 1995-1997
Hey you, what do you see?/Something beautiful or something free?
44. Ron Paul/Gary Johnson 1997-2001
1996: Def. Trent Lott/Alan Keyes, Jesse Jackson/Jerry Brown
Hey, you, are you trying to be mean?/If you live with the apes man it's hard to be clean
45. Rick Santorum/Mike Huckabee 2001-2005
2000: Def. Bill Bradley/Sam Nunn, Ron Paul/Gary Johnson
The worms will live in every host/It's hard to pick which one they eat the most
46. Joe Lieberman/Joe Biden 2005-2009
2004: Def. Rick Santorum/Mike Huckabee, Jon Huntsman/Connie Mack IV
The horrible people, the horrible people/It's as anatomic as the size of your steeple.
47. Mark Sanford/Bill Weld 2009-2013
2008: Def. Joe Lieberman/Joe Biden, Mike Huckabee/Sarah Palin
Capitalism has made it this way/Old-fashioned fascism will take it away!
48. David Duke/Steve King 2013-
2012: Def. Joe Biden/Deval Patrick, Bill Weld/John Engler
2016: Def. Russ Feingold/Greg Orman, Rand Paul/Austin Petersen

38. This is meant to be by Wallace/Yorty at their rivals in the election and at counterculture/civil rights protestors respectively
39. McGovern and Carter are two good men who try to do the right thing, but end up reckoning with a lot of bad luck.
40. McGovern's failures allowed Haig to triumph
41. Robertson has a pretty big actual steeple
42. Hart was apparently a bit haughty and full of himself.
43. Jackson has a rather abrasive reputation.
44. Paul has a bold vision for the future.
45. Santorum prides himself on being holier-than-thou, but as a president is somewhat corrupt and thoroughly hypocritical
46. Lieberman embodies a stale establishment that nobody really likes
47. Joke about sex scandals ('anatomic as the size of your steeple')
48. Duke is a fascist.
 
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Luke_Starkiller

Luke_Starkiller

Shirking Violet said:
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I'm not at all sure I understand the connections between presidents and songs, but speaking as a big Talking Heads fan, this made me smile :)
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"This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around."
A reference to how the presidency of Jerry Brown is the dying gasp of sixties cultural liberalism and is more specifically a reference to Brown's OTL "Era of Limits" speech.

"Same as it ever was, Same as it ever was"
References the election of Connally, a Nixon official, and the re-employment of Nixonian center-right economic policies to solve the woes of the late seventies.

"Moving into the universe, and she's drifting this way and that / Not touching the ground at all, and she's up above the yard"
A lyric from a song about LSD, it was selected for America's first cokehead president, Charlie Wilson, who gets caught using the booger sugar and resigns.

"In my mind, the weather never changes / Skill overcomes difficult situations"
Graham, a canny political operator since his Florida days, overcomes what was supposed to be a surefire defeat in 1992 (after the resignation of Wilson) and a faltering economy to win a full term of his own.

"Mommy, Daddy, come and look at me now / I'm a big man in a great big town"
The grandson of President Eisenhower climbs his way through Pennsylvanian politics to attain the Presidency.

"You start a conversation you can't even finish it / You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything"
Bill Richardson is a standard slimy, "promise-everything-and-deliver-none-of-it" type of politician, and the walls crumble around him during the financial crisis.

"They've enlisted all their family /They've enlisted all their friends / It helped saved their relationship / And made it work again"
A reference to the Compassionate Conservatism^tm and communitarian social policies employed by the Riley administration in revitalizing the economy.

"Towns that dissapeared completely / Pull up the roost, pull up the roots"
Richard Cordray fights to be the hero of the Rust Belt and to revive moribund sectors of the economy.
 
TheNixonator

TheNixonator

1897-1901: William McKinley† / Sergei Yulyevich Witte (Republican)
def. 1896 William Jennings Bryan / Arthur Sewall (Democratic) - def. 1900 William Jennings Bryan / Adlai Stevenson I (Democratic)
1901-1905: Sergei Yulyevich Witte / Vacant (1901-1905) (Republican)
Sworn in 1901
1905-1909: Albert J. Beveridge / Frank S. Black (Republican)
def. 1904 John Sharp Williams / Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1909-1916: Sergei Yulyevich Witte† / Elihu Root (Independent)
def. 1908 Albert J. Beveridge / Frank S. Black (Republican) and William Jennings Bryan / John W. Kern (Democratic) - def. 1912 Theodore Roosevelt / Hiram W. Johnson (Progressive), Albert B. Cummins / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican), John Burke / Judson Harmin (Democratic), and Eugene V. Debs† / Emil Seidel† (Socialist)
1916-1921: Elihu Root / Vacant (1916-1916) Charles Evans Hughes (1916-1921) (Independent)
Sworn in 1916 - def. 1916 James "Champ" Clark / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic) and Charles W. Fairbanks / Theodore E. Burton (Republican)
1921-1929: John Sharp Williams / James M. Cox (Democratic)
def. 1920 Franklin Delano Roosevelt / Calvin Coolidge (Republican) - def. 1924 Frank Orren Lowden / Warren G. Harding (Republican)
1929-1937: Charles Evans Hughes / Alfred M. Landon (Independent Republican)
def. 1928 James M. Cox / Henry Ford (Democratic) - def. 1932 Henry Ford / James A. Reed (Democratic)
1937-1945: Alfred M. Landon / Joseph I. France (Republican)
def. 1936 John Nance Garner / William H. Murray (Democratic) - def. 1940 William B. Bankhead / Harry F. Byrd (Democratic)
1945-1953: Arthur Gershwin / Dwight D. Eisenhower (Independent)
def. 1944 Harry F. Byrd / Harry S. Truman (Democratic) and Douglas MacArthur / Various (Republican) - def. 1948 Harry S. Truman / Alben W. Barkley (Democratic) and George S. Patton / Various (Republican)
1953-1957: Dwight D. Eisenhower / Adlai Stevenson II (Independent)
def. 1952 Hubert H. Humphrey / Edmund "Pat" Brown Sr. (Democratic) - endorsed by the Republican Party
1957-1965: Hubert H. Humphrey / George A. Smathers (Democratic)
def. 1956 Adlai Stevenson II / Estes E. Kefauver (Independent) and Joseph J. Foss / William W. Scranton (Republican) - def. 1960 Nelson A. Rockefeller / Cecil H. Underwood (Republican)
1965-1973: Richard M. Nixon / John M. Ashbrook (Independent)
def. 1964 Barry M. Goldwater / Ronald W. Reagan (Republican) and George A. Smathers / John F. Kennedy (Democratic) - def. 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson / Stephen M. Young (Democratic) and Paul "Pete" McCloskey / John V. Lindsey (Republican)
1973-1981: John V. Lindsey / Hiram L. Fong (Independent Republican)
def. 1972 John F. Kennedy / Mo K. Udall (Democratic) - def. 1976 George C. Wallace / Edward M. Kennedy (Democratic)
1981-1989: Richard M. Nixon / Gerald R. Ford (Independent)
def. 1980 Jimmy E. Carter / Gary W. Hunt (Democratic) - def. 1984 Joseph R. Biden / Thomas F. Eagleton (Democratic)
1989-1997: Joseph "Bob" Kerrey / William J. Blythe (Democratic)
def. 1988 Richard M. Nixon / Gerald R. Ford (Independent endorsed by the Republican Party) - def. 1992 Alan L. Keyes / James "Dan" Quayle (Republican)
1997-2005: Henry Ross Perot / George H. W. Bush (Independent)
def. 1996 William J. Blythe / Albert "Al" Gore Jr. (Democratic) and William Philip Gramm / Franklin Delano Roosevelt III (Republican) - def. 2000 Andre Verne Marrou / Patrick J. Buchanan (Republican) and Patricia Nell Scott Schroeder / Paul E. Tsongas (Democratic)
2005-2009: Franklin Delano Roosevelt III / John McCain III (Republican)
def. 2004 William W. Bradley / Howard Dean III (Democratic)
2009-????: Vladimir V. Putin / Boleslaw Sander (Independent)
def. 2008 Franklin Delano Roosevelt III / John McCain III (Republican) and Lincoln D. Chafee / James "Jim" Webb (Democratic) - def. 2012 Darcy G. Richardson / James "Jim" Rogers and John McCain III / Newton L. Gingrich (Republican) - def. 2016 James "Jim" Rogers / Various (Democratic) and Marco A. Rubio / George E. Pataki (Republican) - def. 2020 Charlie D. Baker / Elizabeth A. Warren (National Union)
 
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redjirachi

All Men Must Die: The Worst President

POD is that James Buchanan ends up a victim of the National Hotel disease. Yes, his death actually makes things worse because sometimes I can be sadistic like that

15(first term): James Buchanan*/John C Breckinridge(March 4-March 17 1857)[1]
16(first term): John C Breckinridge(March 17 1857-March 4 1861)
-Election of 1860: John C Breckinridge/Jefferson Davis(Southern Democrat) vs Stephen Douglas/James Guthrie(Northern Democrat) vs William Seward/Abraham Lincoln(Republican)[2]
17(first term): William Seward/Abraham Lincoln(March 4 1861-March 4 1865)
-Election of 1864: William Seward/Abraham Lincoln(election suspended)
17(second term): William Seward**/Abraham Lincoln(March 4 1865-March 15 1867)[3]
18(first term): Abraham Lincoln(March 15 1867-March 4 1869)[4]
-Election of 1868: Cassius Clay/Hannibal Hamlin(Republican) vs Andrew Johnson/Salmon P Chase(Democrat)
19(first term): Cassius Clay/Hannibal Hamlin(March 4 1869-March 4 1873)[5]
-Election of 1872: Cassius Clay/Hannibal Hamlin(Republican) vs Andrew Johnson/Thomas Hendricks(Democrat)
19(second term): Cassius Clay/Hannibal Hamlin(March 4 1873-March 4 1877)
-Election of 1876: Hannibal Hamlin/Rutherford B Hayes(Republican) vs Abram Hewitt/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt Sr/William Allen(Labor)
20(first term): Abram Hewitt/Thomas A Hendricks(March 4 1877-March 4 1881)
-Election of 1880: Abram Hewitt/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat) vs John Sherman/James Garfield(Republican) vs James B Weaver/Hendrick B Wright(Labor)
20(second term): Abram Hewitt/Thomas A Hendricks(March 4 1881-March 4 1885)

[1]A day after inauguration, President Buchanan fell ill due to what he had contracted from the National Hotel disease. Spending most of his presidency bedridden, at 13 days his is by far the shortest presidency to date. The youngest president to date, John C Breckinridge is also considered the worst for his enabling of the slave powers and admission of the state of Kansas as a slave state. But the slave powers, the Deep South, they loved him for it. Thus, the Election of 1860 was for the heart of the country, the ultimate deciding factor in the South and North's relationship to come.
[2]Breckinridge may have won election in his own right had the Democrats not fractured. This would be Seward's opportunity. The South was enraged, and the Civil War broke out. Breckinridge became the Confederate President, and for this is remembered as the greatest traitor in American history. It was a bloody battle that lasted for six years. Seward would have Breckinridge hung and lay his vengeance among the South. The cancer of slavery was removed, but it left a gash. Seward and Lincoln often fought each other about this. Breckinridge hung, dying a traitor's death. And cries remained that the South would rise again
[3]Seward had fought against the tyranny of the slavocracy, only to become one himself. He suspended the elections, though there wasn't much in the way of challengers. "As God as my witness, I will ensure the evil of slavery never emerges again!" The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and Seward was facing impeachment protocols. Then everything changed. John Wilkes Booth struck down the president, fittingly during the Ides of March, to avenge the South and to end the tyranny of Seward. In many ways, Booth is a modern day Brutus-reviled for the murder of a great man, or a necessary evil to a man corrupted by power. Seward is seen as a tragic villain, a man who fought for the right cause, but did so in the wrong way
[4]Abraham Lincoln followed a traitor and a dictator. Had Seward not become the latter, he would've left the office and avoided the vice presidency. Immediately, Lincoln focused on reconciliation and redemption. "We must learn to forgive the South, or they will never forgive us". "Lincoln the Redeemer" is remembered as one of the greatest presidents for this, working hard to resolve the anger left from the conflict. And he could've easily become president in his own right. But instead he chose not to.
[5]Clay continued the good spirit left behind by Lincoln. Cousin once removed to Henry Clay, to some he passed his relative's legendary status. To others, he coasted off Lincoln and his involvement with Reconstruction is overrated. Andrew Johnson ran against him, believing "we need a Southerner to save the South, and a man loyal to the Union to keep the Union. And I am saddled with this difficult task, it would seem". Ultimately, the Democrats would make gains and win the White House in 1876, under the hope of restoring glory to it once more
[6]Hamlin had been a force of sanity and security. A rarity of a popular VP. And enough that he was chosen for the 1876 election. Benjamin Wade would form a new party for "true freedom". But it would be the philanthropist Hewitt, son-in-law to Peter Cooper, who took it by storm. Well-regarded for his Southern restoration plans.

Abridged list
  • 15: James Buchanan*/John C Breckinridge(1857)
  • 16: John C Breckinridge(1857-1861)
  • 17: William Seward**/Abraham Lincoln(1861-1867)
  • 18: Abraham Lincoln(1867-1869)
  • 19: Cassius Clay/Hannibal Hamlin(1869-1877)
  • 20: Abram Hewitt/Thomas A Hendricks(1877-1885)
 

redjirachi

You Either Die A Hero, Or Live To See Yourself Become The Villain

Aka what happens when I flip Nixon and Kennedy for fun. A more simple list not to be taken seriously
  • 35: Richard Nixon**/Henry Cabot Lodge(1961-1963)
  • 36: Henry Cabot Lodge(1963-1965)/William Miller(1965-1969)
  • 37: John F Kennedy/Terry Sanford(1969-1974)
  • 38: Terry Sanford(1974-1977)
  • 39: George Bush/Bob Dole(1977-1985)

They Live: The Great Emancipator, Savior Of The Union

16(second term): Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson(March 4 1865-March 4 1869)[1]
-Election of 1868: Ulysses S Grant/Reuben E Fenton(Republican) vs George H Pendleton/Francis P Blair(Demcorat)[2]
17(first term): Ulysses S Grant/Reuben E Fenton(March 4 1869-March 4 1873)
-Election of 1872: Ulysses S Grant/Reuben E Fenton(Republican) vs Charles F Adams/Thomas A Hendricks(Liberal Republican/Democrat)
17(second term): Ulysses S Grant/Reuben E Fenton(March 4 1873-March 4 1877)
-Election of 1876: Roscoe Conkling/Rutherford B Hayes(Republican) vs Samuel J Tilden/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat)[3]
18(first term): Samuel J Tilden/Thomas A Hendricks(March 4 1877-March 4 1881)
-Election of 1880: Samuel J Tilden/Richard M Bishop(Democrat) vs Elihu B Washburne/Horace Maynard(Republican) vs James B Weaver/Theodore Roosevelt Sr(Fair Union)[4]
19(first term): Elihu B Washburne(March 4 1881-March 4 1885)/Horace Maynard*(March 4 1881-May 3 1882)
-Election of 1884: Elihu B Washburne/Robert Todd Lincoln(Republican) vs Grover Cleveland/Thomas F Bayard(Democrat) vs James B Weaver/Peter Cooper(Fair Union)
19(second term): Elihu B Washburne*/Robert Todd Lincoln(March 4 1885-October 23 1887)
20(first term): Robert Todd Lincoln(October 23 1887-March 4 1889)[5]
-Election of 1888: Robert Todd Lincoln/Levi P Morton(Republican) vs Isaac P Grey/Theodore Roosevelt Sr(Democrat)
21(first term): Isaac P Grey/Theodore Roosevelt Sr(March 4 1889-March 4 1893)
-Election of 1892: Isaac P Grey/Theodore Roosevelt Sr(Democrat) vs Thomas Edison/Mark Hanna(Republican)[6]
21(second term): Isaac P Grey*/Theodore Roosevelt Sr(March 4 1893-February 14 1895)
22(first term): Theodore Roosevelt Sr(February 14 1895-March 4 1897)
-Election of 1896: Adlai Stevenson I/Horace Boies(Democrat) vs Robert Todd Lincoln/Thomas B Reed(Republican) vs Frank B Sargent/Eugene V Debs(Socialist)[7]
HR: Adlai Stevenson(1st EV, 2nd PV), Robert Todd Lincoln(2nd EV, 1st PV), Frank B Sargent(3rd)
23(second term): Robert Todd Lincoln/Thomas B Reed(March 4 1897-March 4 1901)
-Election of 1900: Frederick Dent Grant/William Randolph Hearst(Republican) vs Alton Brooks Parker/Julian Carr(Democrat) vs Frank B Sargent/Tad Lincoln(Socialist)
HR: Alton Brooks Parker(1st), Frank B Sargent(2nd), Frederick Dent Grant(3rd)[8]
24(first term): Alton Brooks Parker/Tad Lincoln(March 4 1901-March 4 1905)
-Election of 1904: Alton Brooks Parker/Nelson A Miles(Democrat) vs Henry Ford/George Washington Carroll(Republican) vs Daniel De Leon/Elias Charles Disney(Socialist)
25(first term): Daniel De Leon/Elias Charles Disney(March 4 1905-March 4 1909)[9]
-Election of 1908: Henry Cantwell Wallace/Frank W Arnold(Socialist) vs Oliver Twain/Max Campbell(Democrat) vs Joseph B Foraker/Mortimer Oswald(Republican)[10]
26(first term): Henry Cantwell Wallace/Frank W Arnold(March 4 1909-March 4 1913)
-Election of 1912: Josiah Ruggles Wilson/Elias Charles Disney(Socialist) vs Theodore Roosevelt/Oscar Underwood(Democrat) vs William H Taft/Alexander Blake(Republican)
27(first term): Theodore Roosevelt/Oscar Underwood(March 4 1913-March 4 1917)
-Election of 1916: Theodore Roosevelt/Oscar Underwood(Democrat) vs Henry Ford/John M Parker(Republican) vs Alistair Harrison/Ashton Rimmer(Socialist)
27(second term): Theodore Roosevelt/Oscar Underwood(March 4 1917-March 4 1921)
-Election of 1920: Thomas Grace Coolidge/Arnold Hewitt(Republican) vs Arthur Meredith/William Henry Roosevelt(Democrat) vs Elias Charles Disney/Max Dunne(Socialist)
28(first term): Elias Charles Disney/Max Dunne(March 4 1921-March 4 1925)
-Election of 1924: Ronald Debs/Max Dunne(Socialist) vs Michael Oswald/John Heidler(Democrat) vs Robert M.La Follette Sr/Samuel King(Republican)
29(first term): Robert M.La Follette Sr/Samuel King(March 4 1925-March 4 1929)

[1]POD is meant to be badass. Robert decides to go with his parents to Ford's Theater, and sits in a way where Booth would have trouble getting up close like he needs with his derringer. Robert realizes what's happening and slugs Booth, allowing father and son to take the gun and stop the attempt. Somewhere a young T.R is crying in joy. Asides from that, a better Reconstruction can occur under Lincoln's watch
[2]Grant still gets chosen because of how popular he is, Lincoln himself being fond of him. While he continues the more positive Reconstruction policies, the Gilded Age is still a thing with or without Lincoln's survival, and he does face some charge of administrative corruption. However Fenton is a more honest VP and Grant sticks with him the full eight years
[3]Though there is still quite a bit of bigotry against blacks, and more so in the south, Jim Crow laws, voter repression of blacks and attempts to virtually deny the 14th and 15th amendments in the south are far less than OTL, thanks to 12 years of proper Reconstruction and no Andy J getting a job at a time where he'd mess it up. As such, the Democrats have a more honest election, though as much any election in the Gilded Age can be. The Republicans had an intentional darkhorse, who Half-Breeds were quick to blame for why they lost it.
[4]The Election of 1880 saw the rise of a strong third party, the Fair Union. It added the fledgling Greenbacks in and promised "fair wages, protection from monopolies and respect for the common man". Theodore Roosevelt Sr was the first running mate, to James B Weaver as the first candidate. To some, they decided the Election of 1880
[5]Robert Todd Lincoln was a man living in two shadows. Washburne was a great president, and his father perhaps the single greatest president of them all. The younger Lincoln would see his father's funeral on January 23 1888, and end up losing to the Democratic ticket. However he would return for a term of his own, playing an important military and economic role. Some see him as underrated, others see his post-presidency as more important. The Democrats took the Fair Union under their wing. Theodore Sr once said to his son "there is one think you must never let yourself fall into, and that's the vice presidency". Ironic, given he would become president with the death of Grey, but because of his declining health chose not to seek a term on his own.
[6]Not an inventor in this timeline, at least not like what you recognize, a darkhorse candidate
[7]A new order was arising-that of socialism. To some, a reborn Farmer Labor. To others, dangerous subversives. It was not easy, but eventually they managed to put their man in the White House. It was a curious ticket, an example of the differing beliefs and ideologies between Robert and Tad. Things were a changing.
[8]Electoral college ends after this. Elias Charles Disney is OTL Walt Disney's father
[9]To some, a mere dreamer. To other, promise of hope beyond. The first Socialist president, like the Whigs of old De Leon chose to run only one term, citing that "we must not let ourselves get addicted to power. We must remain humble, and this is how we shall". The second Socialist president showed up after him. Then T.R, this time a Democrat
[10]Doesn't exist IOTL, but you recognize his name. He is TTL son of Mark Twain. His running mate is entirely fictional, again because people would be eligible who were born quite some time after the POD. Josiah Wilson is the alternately named version of Woodrow Wilson's brother. Grace Coolidge is someone who doesn't exist IOTL, but his father is OTL Calvin Coolidge's father. Max Dunne is referencing Vincent R Dunne
[11]Heidler has no relation to a certain customs worker, but I figured I could get away with a reference. It's not like the Little Magician's family had to change his obviously Dutch Van Buren surname
[12]Last ITTL president to exist IOTL, butterflies let him live until 1932, declines a second term due to age.

Abridged list(Red=Republican, Blue=Democrat, Deep red=Socialist)
  • 15: James Buchanan/John C Breckinridge(1857-1861)
  • 16: Abraham Lincoln(1861-1869)/Hannibal Hamlin(1861-1865), Andrew Johnson(1865-1869)
  • 17: Ulysses S Grant/Reuben E Fenton(1869-1877)
  • 18: Samuel J Tilden/Thomas A Hendricks(1877-1881)
  • 19: Elihu B Washburne*(1881-1887)/Horace Maynard*(1881-1882), Robert T Lincoln(1885-1887)
  • 20/23: Robert Lincoln(1887-1889, 1897-1901)/Thomas B Reed(1897-1901)
  • 21: Isaac P Grey*/Theodore Roosevelt Sr(1889-1895)
  • 22: Theodore Roosevelt I(1895-1897)
  • 24: Alton B Parker/Tad Lincoln(1901-1905)
  • 25: Daniel De Leon/Elias Disney(1905-1909)
  • 26: Henry C Wallace/Frank W Arnold(1909-1913)
  • 27: Theodore Roosevelt II/Oscar Underwood(1913-1921)
  • 28: Elias Disney/Max Dunne(1921-1925)
  • 29: Robert M.La Follette/Samuel King(1925-1929)
 
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EricSandwich

Politibrit said:
Good stuff. The one issue I might take is that Boris, despite how he has been presented in American media, is not an exact analogue to Trump. He is strongly committed to Brexit, but he does not have the same kind of hard right, nationalist world view which informs his policy on pretty much every issue in the same way that Trump does. He is more of an opportunist, with not much in the way of a guiding philosophy.

I dont know who would be the ideal replacement. I've always thought that Katie Hopkins or Arron Banks seem like the best analogues in both political beliefs and background, but neither have been members of the Conservative Party to my knowledge, much less Conservative MPs. If you want a member of parliament, I might suggest Phillip Davies.
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Does the UK have any boorish or ridiculous celebrities that have expressed hard right views? It's certainly easier in a presidential system for a rando not in government to just sort of hop into an election, but it's not impossible in parliamentary systems; say a big name lends his charisma to a party, runs in a safe district, and they promise that they'll make him PM if he wins. As I recall Kevin O'Leary wanted to do that in Canada. I don't know, perhaps Piers Morgan fits the bill?
 
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EricSandwich

List of Presidents of California
Analogous, and sometimes identical to, US Presidents
I didn't really think too much about why California is its own country or the broader global context. I figure there's a country called "north america" of northeastern and midwest states that developed like canada and is in the commonwealth of nations, and there's maybe an economically depressed "dixie". I dunno maybe Texas is its own country too.

Upton Sinclair - Labor 1933-1945
Longest serving socialist president, enacted the Pacific Deal and won the war with the Japanese
Earl Warren - Labor 1945-1953
Although praised by some for continuing his predecessor's policies, his legacy has been tarnished by the internment of the Japanese he oversaw as Sinclair's VP and Interior Secretary
George Patton - Conservative 1953-1961
Beloved general who won the war with the Japanese. Patton himself had moderate politics but he oversaw a dramatic conservative backlash and a red scare that broke apart the rival Labor party.
Barnard Yorba V - Liberal 1961-1963
The liberals were a third party and kingmaker for most of the twentieth century, consisting of high minded educated progressives and bourgeois professionals. They found a champion in Barnard Yorba V and an opportunity to fill a void with the marginalization of the labor party. Yorba himself was the descendant of a prominent Californio spanish family, and was therefore the first Catholic (and first of spanish heritage, although yorba was still white and aristocratic) president of the California republic. He was assassinated in 63
Alan Cranston - Liberal 1963-1969
Yorba's elderly and politically savvy vp signed important civil rights legislation and spearheaded antipoverty initiatives, but also got California involved in costly anticommunist pacific wars
Richard Nixon - Conservative (1969-1974)
Patton's VP and before that a red-baiting senator. A man of interesting contradictions, brilliant but corrupt. Resigned over the Hotel Figueroa break-in scandal.
Charles Herbert Dole- Conservative (1974-1977)
Younger son of the Dole fruit family and mild mannered Conservative representative, Nixon's unassuming VP.
Jerry Brown- Liberal (1977-1981)
Out-there environmentalist, derisively nicknamed "moonbeam". At first people liked him as a hip departure from the stodgy conservative years, but he rapidly lost popularity due to a poor economy.
Ronald Reagan - Conservative (1981-1989)
The former actor and arch-conservative governor of the Inland province, brought a sunny countenance to the office, although he went a little dotty at the end there.
John Poindexter - Conservative (1989-1993)
Reagan's former Exterior secretary, mastermind of the contras and later VP, who considered himself the real president toward the end of Reagan's term when his health waned.
Gary Condit - Liberal (1993-2001)
Moderate with exceptional charisma, nearly removed from office due to a sex scandal with a missing intern
Alan G. Poindexter - Conservative (2001-2009)
The son of the former president and a former astronaut. His administration oversaw terrorist attacks, botched overseas wars, and a complete financial collapse. Left office with most people wondering if the radiation from his spaceflight scrambled his head.
Barry Dunham - Labor/Liberal Fusion (2009-2017)
The first black president. Barack Dunham (he took his mother's surname) had been born in Hawaii, a California dependency, before moving to Oakland but that still didn't stop conspiracy theorists from speculating that he was a secret foreign agent. As senator from the East Bay province he was a member in good standing of the Liberal party, but a resurgence of left-wing and labor activism after the financial crash gave him an opening to broker a deal and become president on a fusion ticket. His attempts at economic reform after the crash were of mixed success and resulted in an anemic recovery, making him vulnerable to a reactionary and racist backlash.
Michael Savage - Nationalist/Conservative Fusion (2017-Present)
Perhaps the biggest shock of 2016, that fateful year, was the success of conservative radio host and conspiracy theorist Michael Savage. He founded the anti-immigrant Nationalist party over the air in 2012 and the next midterm conservatives lost seats to the upstart party. They agreed to a fusion ticket where Savage would be the standard bearer if congressional candidates would remain in the Conservative party. His administration has been an amusing (terrifying) interplay of Conservative apparatchiks keeping Savage stable enough to keep their business interests happy and Nationalist fringe figures pushing Savage to peculiar and dramatic places.
 

redjirachi

They Live: Pass the Lasagna

20(first term): James Garfield/Chester A Arthur(March 4 1881-March 4 1885)[1]
-Election of 1884: James Garfield/Robert Todd Lincoln(Republican) vs Grover Cleveland/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat)
20(second term): James Garfield/Robert Todd Lincoln(March 4 1885-March 4 1889)
-Election of 1888: Benjamin Harrison/Russell A Alger(Republican) vs Thomas F Bayard/Allen G Thurman(Democrat)[2]
21(first term): Thomas F Bayard/Allen G Thurman(March 4 1889-March 4 1893)
-Election of 1892: Thomas F Bayard/Allen B Morse(Democrat) vs William McKinley/Thomas B Reed(Republican) vs James B Weaver/Walter Q Greshem(Populist)
21(second term): Thomas F Bayard/Allen B Morse(March 4 1893-March 4 1897)
-Election of 1896: Richard B Bland/Adlai Stevenson(Democrat) vs Thomas B Reed/Henry C Evans(Republican) vs James B Weaver/William Jennings Bryan(Populist)
22(first term): Thomas B Reed/Henry C Evans(March 4 1897-March 4 1901)
-Election of 1900: Thomas B Reed/Henry C Evans(Republican) vs Alton B Parker/George Dewey(Democrat) vs James B Weaver/Wharton Barker(Populist) vs Eugene V Debs/Valentine Remmel(Socialist)
HR: Alton Parker(1st EV, 2nd PV), James B Weaver(2nd EV, 1st PV), Thomas B Reed(3rd)[3]
23(first term): Alton B Parker/Wharton Barker(March 4 1901-March 4 1905)
-Election of 1904: Alton B Parker/Edward C Wall(Democrat) vs Charles W Fairbanks/James Rudolph Garfield(Republican) vs William Randolph Hearst/Wharton Baker(Populist)
24(first term): William Randolph Hearst/Wharton Barker(March 4 1905-March 4 1909)
-Election of 1908: William Randolph Hearst/Wharton Barker(Populist) vs William Howard Taft/Curtis Guild Jr(Republican) vs John W Kern/George Gray(Democrat) vs Eugene V Debs/Benjamin Hanford(Socialist)
HR: William Howard Taft(1st), William Randolph Hearst(2nd), Eugene V Debs(3rd)
25(first term): William Howard Taft/Curtis Guild Jr(March 4 1909-March 1913)
-Election of 1912: William Howard Taft/Curtis Guild Jr(Republican) vs Champ Clark/John Burke(Democrat) vs George L Sheldon/Thomas E Watson(Populist) vs Eugene V Debs/Eugene W Chaftin(Socialist)
26(first term): Eugene V Debs/Eugene W Chaftin(March 4 1913-March 4 1917)

[1]Garfield's doctors aren't inept, and he recovers after a week. Feeling rejuvenated, Garfield works to remove the spoils system, purge corruption and the such. While mostly forgotten like a Gilded Age president, he was an important figure in both fighting corruption and social reform. However the stress of the presidency aged him, being bald and mostly grey-haired after his retirement. The younger Lincoln was picked as his VP as part of a strategy to prevent an Arthur scenario from happening, who had proven troublesome even when the attempt on his life caused Arthur to be a subject of suspicion.
[2]The winning streak had to be broken some time, and Bayard was the one to do so. In his time, the Peoples or Populist Party emerged. Unlike IOTL, they are a stronger force and the Populist Party actually wins an election
[3]HR brings the typical Parker as president. The Populists consider themselves cheated, and this leads to an exciting yet controversial man as president-William Randolph Hearst. To some he took the Populist Party with him, and gave rise to the eventual Socialist Party President Eugene V Debs

Abridged list(Red=Republican, Blue=Democrat, Light green=Populist, Dark red=Socialist)
  • 20: James Garfield(1881-1889)/Chester A Arthur(1881-1885), Robert T Lincoln(1885-1889)
  • 21: Thomas F Bayard(1889-1897)/Allen G Thurman(1889-1893), Allen B Morse(1893-1897)
  • 22: Thomas B Reed/Henry C Evans(1897-1901)
  • 23: Alton B Parker/Wharton Baker(1901-1905)
  • 24: William Randolph Hearst/Wharton Barker(1905-1909)
  • 25: William H Taft/Curtis Guild Jr(1909-1913)
  • 26: Eugene V Debs/Eugene W Chaftin(1913-1917)
 

Politibrit

EricSandwich said:
Does the UK have any boorish or ridiculous celebrities that have expressed hard right views? It's certainly easier in a presidential system for a rando not in government to just sort of hop into an election, but it's not impossible in parliamentary systems; say a big name lends his charisma to a party, runs in a safe district, and they promise that they'll make him PM if he wins. As I recall Kevin O'Leary wanted to do that in Canada. I don't know, perhaps Piers Morgan fits the bill?
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As I alluded to in my previous post, Katie Hopkins is someone who is know for making outlandish far right statements which I'd say would be on a similar level to Trump. Like him, she rose to prominence partly by appearing on our version of the Apprentice, so there is a close parallel there.

Piers Morgan is also a possibility. Morrissey is also known for associating with the far right-he recently appeared on a US talk show wearing the badge of an ultranationalist party that splintered from UKIP.
 

Hydrons (Retired Account)

Hearst's Kingdom

Presidents of the United States (1913-1932)

28. William Randolph Hearst (Democratic) 1913-1921
29. Warren G. Harding (Republican) 1921-1925
30. William Randolph Hearst (Democratic) 1925-1932

After a Communist Revolution in 1932, Hearst declares martial law in the United States, and declares himself Dictator under the Democrat-Nationalist Party.

30. William Randolph Hearst (Democrat-Nationalist) 1932-1951

Presidency of William Randolph Hearst (1913-1921)

Hearst brought the US into WWI in 1917, On the side of the Allies, and the war was won in 1918. Not much else happened in his first 8 years, but more was to come.

Presidency of William Randolph Hearst (1925-1932)

The very unpopular presidency of Warren G. Harding opened a gateway for Hearst to go for a 3rd term in 1924. With no other choice, the Democrats nominated him on the 103rd ballot as a compromise candidate, and he defeated Harding solidly. Hearst oversaw the reinforcement of Prohibition on a far greater scale than before, which included the execution of Al Capone in 1931 for being a suspected communist, as well as the sale of alcohol. Hearst's management of the Great Depression was far worse than Herbert Hoover's was irl, and this led to the sharp rise of Communism in the US. On July 17, 1932, a revolution popped up, and Hearst declared martial law. The rest is history.

Dictatorship of William Randolph Hearst (1932-1951)

Hearst's dictatorship led to the fall of the United States, the loss of its physical existence as an independent nation. The Great Depression worsened. All political enemies were killed by Hearst's demands. The people had no choice but to sit idly as they remained impoverished and starving while the government did nothing. Ironically Hearst was a master of propaganda as well. The US would be brought into the Axis at Hearst's demand, and they remained staunchly isolationist throughout WWII, while still giving supplies to Germany. After WWII, The US slowly started to become more and more of a rump puppet state of Germany, and by the time Hearst died in 1951, Germany held full puppet control of America.
 
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redjirachi said:
I don't think Hearst would supplicate to the Nazis. Henry Ford, though, make him president and there's your dystopia
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Realistically, I think very few individuals in American, even ones with Nazi sympathies, would actually have committed treason and allowed America to become a German satellite-some might collaborate if the US was beaten by Germany, but even the likes of Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh I don't think realistically would have yielded national sovereignty to Nazi Germany without duress.
 

Newne76

33. Barry Goldwater/Douglas MacArthur (Republican)
(January 20th,1945-January 20th,1953)
1944 Def: Franklin Delano Roosevelt/Edward J. Kelly (Democratic)
1948 Def:John C. O'Mahoney/Strom Thurmond (Democratic)
One of the youngest Presidents in American History, finished off the Axis Powers during World War II, Promoted Ernest King to Secretary of State and started the War of 1948 with the British Empire, concluding with the atomic bombings of both London and Boston. Generally considered to be a controversial president who is ranked in the mid to low range of leadership.
34.Sid McMath/Harry S. Truman (Democratic)
(January 20th,1953-January 20th,1957)
1952 Def:Alfred E. Driscole/Richard Nixon (Republican)
Presidency would focus mostly on domestic affairs, with a stranglehold on the South and the gradual apartheid of the Northern states, much to their chagrin and several supreme court rulings, including ones which upheld "seperate but equal". Faced with immense pressure from northern states, who implemented the policy of "forced resistance."
35. Allen J. Elender/Paul Douglas (Democratic)
(January 20th,1957-January 20th,1961)
1956 Def:Thomas Dewey/Warren E. Burger (Republican)
Elender would align himself with the northern states' policy of forced resistance and began to slowly dismantle segregation, begining with the small step of desegregating hospitals and restaurants. Was unable to desegregate the Federal Government because of a hostile Congress.
36.Warren E. Burger/Thruston B. Morton (Republican)
(January 20th,1961-August 5th,1963)
1960 Def:John L. McClellan/William O. Douglas (Democratic)
Burger would be obsessed/remembered fondly with two things during his short presidency, hamburgers due to his last name, and desegregating the military, which was forced through in 1962, often heralded as his lasting legacy. While planning to finish Elender's work in desegregating the federal government, a sniper put an abrupt end to this within Richmond Virginia due to a radical member of the KKK.
37.Thruston B.Morton/Vacant (Republican)
(August 5th,1963-January 20th,1965
37. Thruston B. Morton/Charles A. Halleck (Republican)
(January 20th,1965-January 20th,1973)
1964 Def:Clairborne Pell/Bob Bartlett (Democratic)
1968 Def: A. Willis Robertson/Edward V. Long (Democratic)
Known for his accent, Morton's presidency included a possible crisis involving Nuclear Missiles being established in Greenland that could strike the United States. After failing to overthrow the British backed Danish government, he opted for a small nuclear strike on Greenland, which was overruled by the military staff and was never declassified to the president about. Focusing now on a domestic policy which included a mass expansion of the railways called the Choo Choo Act of 1967, a now friendly republican house and senate gave him his honeymoon years. This period enabled him to pass several wide sweeping domestic acts, such as a ban on shotguns for a period of ten years in 1968. While accused of supporting Prussian terrorists during the Anglo-Prussian War of 1969, he gained scrutiny and was the first president to have articles of impeachment pressed against him, though the House of Representatives failed to pass it. The Federal Government was finally desegregated in 1967, finishing the work of Democratic President Ellender.
38.Russel B. Long/Averell Harriman (Democratic)
(January 20th,1973-January 20th,1981)
1972 Def:Charles Percy/Rudy Boschwitz (Republican)
1976 Def: Ronald Reagan/Jimmy Carter (Republican)
Jumping on the "criminal president Morton" bandwagon, the south-north political duo won a smashing success against Percy and Boschwitz in 1972. Appointing George Wallace to the Supreme Court, Long would controversially propose re-segregating the Federal Government, propose reconstruction of the northern states and pushing for apartheid all across the United States. Democratic candidates down the ballot were hurt more by his actions during the midterms, with Republicans garnering a super majority within the Senate during this time and throughout his presidency. Narrowly winning re-election 1976 by a small Californian Margin, Long opted to retire from politics after his presidency. Often considered to be a terrible president who is not ranked highly in recent historical polls conducted.
39. Jimmy Carter/Lyndon B. Johnson (Republican)
(January 20th,1981-January 20th,1985)
1980 Def:Clairborne Pell/Jennings Randolph (Democratic)
Promising a Gentler nation, the former Georgian Governor could talk the talk, but was pretty clumsy when walking the walk. Giving elaborate speeches during his "March against Crime", he would sign several laws with the aforementioned super-majority to have stricter drug laws within the United States. He was known to be increasingly an Anglophobe, almost reminding comedian and journalist Paul Simon of a "1980s Ernest King". Due to a trade spat with the French and Italian Empires, Carter's economy would cost him the election 1984.
40. Fritz Hollings/David Boren (Democratic)
(January 20th,1985-January 20th,1989)
1984 Def: Jimmy Carter/Lyndon B. Johnson (Republican)
Vowing to fix the economy, Hollings and Boren would get to work slashing numerous regulations imposed during the Long presidency. This would temporarily help the economy, though by 1988 it was not nearly enough for Hollings to go down as a one term president. Increased relations with France, Italy and Britan was a lasting legacy of his presidency, along with his order for federal troops to break up riots during the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr during the bloody summer. He was not afraid for military action however, launching a punitive expedition into Canada in order to forcibly seize an american oil tanker that was being intervened by the Canadian Government.
41.Mack Mattingly/Richard A. Snelling (Republican)
(January 20th,1989-January 20th,1993)
1988 Def:Fritz Hollings/David Boren (Democratic)
During the surprise 1989 Asian Thaw, several fascist regimes propped up by the colonial dictators within Europe collapsed, with the biggest and most noticeable examples being Southern China and India, which turned into thriving, if flawed, democracies with millions of people. There were still harsh repression which enabled the Japanese, Manchurian and Far Eastern Regimes to survive well into the twenty first century as the last vestiges of fascism. Mattingly was rapidly popular with his smashing success during the Quebec War which collapsed the nationalist Canadian government and freed Quebec again. However, despite this, he refused to run for another term of office, issuing the Arthur Pledge.
42.John Heinz/Orrin Hatch (Republican)
(January 20th,1993-January 20th,1997)
1992 Def:Buddy McKay/Chuck Robb (Democratic)
While Snelling refused to run on account of his poor health, John Heinz stepped up to the plate and defeated several republicans and a Floridian Senator to become President. Both Heinz and Hatch reiterated the Arthur Pledge, of former President Charles A. Arthur, promising to be a one term pair, with Hatch pinky promising not to run for the presidency. Their presidencies would see the Waco Siege with the death of the cult leader George W. Bush in Texas, the Warren E. Burger Federal Building in California Bombing and a rise of domestic terrorism.

Their foreign policy involved american forces in invading Somalia as a peacekeeping force during the Somali Civil War as an american protectorate. The American Government would also be friendly to the far right regimes within Japan, normalizing relations with all of the far right governments within Asia by 1994. Heinz's domestic policies included an increasing of mass construction works and the passing of federal relief acts for farmers that had been repealed during the Long Presidency.

Heinz's more liberal policies of restructuring the federal government into a parliamentarian democracy failed to go anywhere, along with his proposals to become the emperor of a proposed "american monarchy". The economy suffered more hiccups throughout 1995 and 1996, prompting him to actually follow through with the Arthur Pledge, knowing he would lose if he went back on his word in 1996.
 

redjirachi

All Men Must Die: Kidney Mordred

20(first term): James A Garfield**/Chester A Arthur(March 4 1881-September 19 1881)
21(first term): Chester A Arthur*(September 19 1881-January 12 1884)[1]
21(acting president): George F Edmunds(January 12 1884-March 4 1885)
-Election of 1884: George F Edmunds/Robert Todd Lincoln(Republican) vs Grover Cleveland/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat)[2]
22(first term): George F Edmunds/Robert Todd Lincoln(March 4 1885-March 4 1889)
-Election of 1888: Benjamin Harrison/Levi P Morton(Republican) vs Allen G Thurman/Isaac P Grey(Democrat) vs James B Weaver/Terrence V Powderly(Agrarian)[3]
23(first term): Allen G Thurman/Isaac P Grey(March 4 1889-March 4 1893)[4]
-Election of 1892: David B Hill/John L Mitchell(Democrat) vs William McKinley/Whitelaw Reid(Republican) vs James B Weaver/Eugene V Debs(Agrarian)
24(first term): William McKinley/Whitelaw Reid(March 4 1893-March 4 1897)
-Election of 1896: William McKinley/Morgan Bulkeley(Republican) vs Eugene V Debs/John W Daniel(Democrat)[5]
25(first term): Eugene V Debs/John W Daniel(March 4 1897-March 4 1901)
-Election of 1900: Eugene V Debs/Alton B Parker(Democrat) vs Mark Hanna/Charles W Fairbanks(Republican)
25(second term): Eugene V Debs/Alton B Parker(March 4 1901-March 4 1905)
-Election of 1904: William J Bryan/Alton B Parker(Democrat) vs Robert M.La Follette Sr/James S Sherman(Republican)[6]
26(first term): Robert M.La Follette Sr/James S Sherman(March 4 1905-March 4 1909)
-Election of 1908: Robert M.La Follette Sr/Franklin Murphy(Republican) vs William J Bryan/George Gray(Democrat)
26(second term): Robert M.La Follette Sr**/Franklin Murphy(March 4 1909-February 14 1910)
27(first term): Franklin Murphy(February 14 1910-March 4 1913)[7]
-Election of 1912: William Borah/Elias Disney(Republican) vs William Randolph Hearst/Woodrow Wilson(Democrat) vs Eugene W Chaftin/Aaron S Watkins(Temperance)
28(first term): William Randolph Hearst/Woodrow Wilson(March 4 1913-March 4 1917)
-Election of 1916: William Randolph Hearst/Woodrow Wilson(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt/John W Weeks(Republican) vs Samuel Prescott Bush/Frank Hanley(Temperance)
28(second term): William Randolph Hearst/Woodrow Wilson(March 4 1917-March 4 1921)

[1]President Arthur's nephritis becomes worse and leads to his death in office. As such he's logically out of the picture and George F Edmunds is made acting president. As such, he is the main rival towards James Blaine. He ultimately wins out because of Blaine's connection to railroad scandals, and that he manages to convince Robert Todd Lincoln to side with him as his running mate.
[2]A less scandalous Republican, and yet they still use Cleveland's sex scandal against him. Though not a blow-out like they were hoping Edmunds is able to be president in full. However his time as acting president is still remembered as such. Edmunds is a racial progressive, and a decent enough president for an otherwise forgettable period to most modern Americans. However his "dirty tricks" against the popular Cleveland and initial ascension, along with opposition to the powerful Blaine come to haunt him.
[3]Both the Democratic and Republican primaries are contentious. Edmunds fights with Blaine, his old rival, to hold onto his position. However Harrison is considered a better alternative to Edmunds while also lacking in the baggage that Edmunds pointed out with Blaine. Cleveland's baggage causes his primary to be tight, but ultimately lost to Allen G Thurman. Today, Edmunds is seen as an underrated president, someone who didn't get his fair shake and helped pave the way to progressive and socialist presidents
[4]At 75, Thurman was the oldest president to date. It was a point of contention among some, given that two presidents in a row had perished within the decade. However, Thurman would live another two years after his retirement. It was a major factor in his decision not to run, and Cleveland was making gains. McKinley was a rising star in the Republicans. He won against Cleveland, however was labeled as a "business shill" even if not exactly accurate. The 1893 recession would hurt him as well(it'd be different, but the causes were out of America)
[5]Things were looking good for the Democrats. The Agrarian Party had fallen apart, the Democrats adopting many of their issues. A former agrarian, the youthful Eugene V Debs, was picked. Debs' friendliness with populist and socialist parties had him be somewhat controversial, but the lightning strike the people needed. Debs was considered a change of pace, and the first president since Grant popular enough to win a second term. He hated his vice president, whom he often blamed for some of his social reform bills not getting past congress, and was happy to replace him.
[6]It would take a new type of Republican to win the presidency. Fighting Bob was that new Republican. For almost five years, the man lived up to his progressive politics and continued "The New Era of Good Feelings" that Debs started. However tragedy struck as on February 14 1910, "Bloody Valentine", La Follette was assassinated while trying to solve a race riot. The killer was part of the fledgling "America For Americans" white nationalist group who had supported the aggressors of the white riot and was angry at Follette denying Conservative policies. He was deeply mourned. One of the favorites of his cabinet was Theodore Roosevelt, the Secretary of Commerce and Labor
[7]Murphy could not reach the heights of Follette. He chose not to run in 1912. Ultimately, a difficulty to choose in the Republican field opened up an exciting new candidate for the Democrats-William Randolph Hearst. Hearst led the country during war, and is a controversial figure. Either he led America to victory and brought light to important issues, or was a narcissist who thrived off big business. Sometimes both at the same time. Theodore Roosevelt was a famous opponent of his, almost defeating him in the 1916 election. It's thought that if it weren't for the Temperance Party taking votes from the Republicans T.R would've won

Abridged list(italics means acting president)
  • 20: James Garfield**/Chester A Arthur(1881)
  • 21: Chester A Arthur*(1881-1884), George F Edmunds(1884-1885)
  • 22: George F Edmunds/Robert T Lincoln(1885-1889)
  • 23: Allen G Thurman/Isaac P Grey(1889-1893)
  • 24: William McKinley/Whitelaw Reid(1893-1897)
  • 25: Eugene V Debs(1897-1905)/John W Daniel(1897-1901), Alton B Parker(1901-1905)
  • 26: Robert M.La Follette**(1905-1910)/James S Sherman(1905-1909), Franklin Murphy(1909-1910)
  • 27: Franklin Murphy(1910-1913)
  • 28: William R Hearst/Woodrow Wilson(1913-1921)
 
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