List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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  1. redjirachi Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2018
    They Live: Rock Those Whigs

    9(first term): William Henry Harrison/John Tyler(March 4 1841-March 4 1845)[1]
    -Election of 1844: Henry Clay/Theodore Frelinghuysen(Whig) vs James Buchanan/Silas Wright(Democrat)[2]
    10(first term): Henry Clay/Theodore Frelinghuysen(March 4 1845-March 4 1849)
    -Election of 1848: Daniel Webster/William Seward(Whig) vs Lewis Cass/William R King(Democrat) vs Martin Van Buren/John Parker Hale(Free Soil)
    11(first term): Lewis Cass*/William R King(March 4 1849-May 24 1851)[3]
    12(first term): William R King(May 24 1851-March 4 1853)
    -Election of 1852: James Buchanan/Jefferson Davis(Democrat) vs Daniel Webster*/Edward Bates(Whig) vs Charles F Adams/George Washington Julian(Liberty)
    13(first term): James Buchanan/Jefferson Davis(March 4 1853-March 4 1857)
    -Election of 1856: James Buchanan/Jefferson Davis(Democrat) vs Nathaniel P Banks/Thomas Ford(Liberal Whig) vs Charles Francis Adams/John Bell(Radical Whig)
    13(second term): James Buchanan/Jefferson Davis(March 4 1857-March 4 1861)
    -Election of 1860: Jefferson Davis/James Guthrie(Democrat) vs Henry Wilson/Hannibal Hamlin(Classical)
    14(first term): Henry Wilson/Hannibal Hamlin(March 4 1861-March 4 1865)

    [1]Harrison is a benefit to the Whig Party, and a thorn in the side of the Democrats. Though popular for his time, he is considered one of the more obscure presidents, though his importance is underrated. His biggest achievement as president was balancing a tightrope between helping Texan sovereignty and keeping the peace between America and Mexico. The Republic of Texas remembers him as a hero, despite having some interest in the annexation
    [2]A darkhorse candidate emerged from the squabbling of Cass and Van Buren, but Clay managed to win the election. Clay would continue the Whig policies, however faced a new challenge in the question of Alta California By the time of the 1848 election, a war seemed brewing over these regions.
    [3]The First California War was a conflict between the Americans and Mexicans over the region of Alta California, each arguing a right to it. President Cass would see it start, however was laid low by typhoid contracted by contaminated White House water. There was a debate on what should be done with King, but it was ultimately decided he should be president in full. He was a contender to be nominated in his own right, but surrendered to James Buchanan. Rumor has it there was a much more personal reason why he supplicated
    [4]Historians are divided on Buchanan's first term. Supporters say he mended the relationship between America and Mexico, and brought a peace to the country. Opponents say that he ignored domestic issues like the conspiracies to increase slave power and allowed the Knights Of The Golden Circle to grow in power. In his second, however, Buchanan would see the foiling of the Circle's plot to take Cuba. Depending on who you ask, this was either his skills at foreign policy and wanting to prevent a war with Spain, or it was mainly his congress that got involved and he got the credit. Meanwhile, the Whig Party split in half, forming two new parties that'd battle it out, before finally merging into a new party-the Classical Party

    Abridged list(Buff=Whig, Blue=Democrat, Green=Liberal)
    • 8: Martin Van Buren/Richard M Johnson(1837-1841)
    • 9: William H Harrison/John Tyler(1841-1845)
    • 10: Henry Clay/Theodore Frelinghuysen(1845-1849)
    • 11: Lewis Cass*/William R King(1849-1851)
    • 12: William R King(1851-1853)
    • 13: James Buchanan/Jefferson Davis(1853-1861)
    • 14: Henry Wilson/Hannibal Hamlin(1861-1865)
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  2. Hydrons Well-Known Member

    Jul 30, 2018
    Figured I'd slide him into this list. Most Alternate Histories have him as authoritarian so I just wanted to add him in as filler between both MacArthur's
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  3. CapitalistHippie's token libertarian

    Apr 11, 2018
    Honestly disagree, if anything most alternate histories I’ve seen romanticize him-especially on this site.
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  4. gap80 gap80

    Jan 16, 2016
    good ol' glorious New Jersey

    Monarchs of the United States of America, 1789-present
    Things really went to pot for the budding young nation of America after Shay’s Rebellion sparked a wave of similar deadly incidents, and the people became more willing to give “the Prussian Scheme” an actual try if it meant stability would return to the states. To placate “republic” supporters, the “kingerists” ensured that the monarch would have very limited powers except during times of “great national duress,” and could be “forced into abdication” by a 3/4ths-yea vote taken by the US Congress.​

    4/29/1789-8/3/1802 (13 years, 4 months): 1) Henry I (1/8/1726 – 8/3/1802)
    Born Frederick Henry Louis on January 1, 1726, Henry I hailed from Prussia’s House of Hohenzollern, a deep-rooted and far-reaching German dynasty. Taking to heart the limitations of the office that he had somewhat reluctantly accepted, Henry I oversaw the development of the new nation, promoting the improvement of trade and of transportation routes between the states. On the ten-year anniversary of his ascension, Henry I, whose primary residence was at the Presidential Palace in Maryland, famously declared, “I may have been born a Prussian, but in my heart I am a Marylander second and an American first.” The statement lead to the motto “State Second, Nation First” being used fairly commonly in American politics for the next twenty years.

    12/3/1802-5/2/1813 (10 years, 5 months): 2) Augustus I (5/23/1730 – 5/2/1813)
    Born Prince Augustus Ferdinand on May 23, 1730, “Augustus I” was Henry I’s brother; another, more likely successor to the single and childless Henry I had been the Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia until his death in the 1793 Siege of Mainz. Despite his fairly advanced age upon ascending to the throne, Augustus maintained an active daily schedule and frequently met with important individuals in order to keep his “finger on the pulse of American wants and needs” as he once put it. During his reign, Augustus oversaw America continue to develop internally, and oversaw it demonstrate the full power of its military might when British forces ransacked and scuttled an American passenger ship, leading to the War of 1811. Augustus lived long enough to see the war end in a tactical American victory before dying after a long period of poor health.

    5/2/1813-6/5/1834 (21 years, 1 months): 3) Augustus II (9/19/1779 – 7/19/1843)
    Born Friedrich Wilhelm Heinrich August, the second Augustus was the son of the first Augustus. Having joined the army in his youth and earning the rank colonel by the time he became King, Augustus II supported the 1826 Fredonian Revolution that led to the union obtaining a new state (Texas) in 1830, but opposed the expansion of slavery into any new states. Augustus II was not above replying to issues militarily instead of diplomatically. This only made it easier for the War of Southern Secession to begin after the King announced his full support for an attempt by the Congress to abolish slavery altogether in 1832. Southern leaders (Congress faction leader John C. Calhoun, specifically) threatened secession over the alleged “oppression of [their] way of life,” prompting Augustus II to send federal troops into South Carolina. Augustus II thought they were bluffing; they weren’t. Fighting was intense along the “border states,” especially in Tennessee and Virginia, and it was not long before the tide turned and stayed in favor of the seceding masses, who benefited from superior military leaders. Upon the US losing its southern half at said war’s conclusion in 1834, the despondent King voluntarily abdicated before Congress could force him off the throne by what certainly would have been a nearly unanimous vote. As Augustus II left behind no children, the next person in line for the position was his nephew, the son of his deceased older sister, Princess Louise (1770-1831), and her deceased husband, Prince Antoni Radziwill (1775-1833) – a young man called Boguslaw.

    6/5/1834-1/2/1873 (38 years, 7 months): 4) Boguslaw (1/3/1809-1/2/1873)
    Prince Boguslaw Fryderyk Radziwill, the first King from the House of Radziwill (the nation’s second (and current) House overall) and the US’s third militant King in a row, ascended to the throne at the age of 26. The young Boguslaw sought to boost the nation’s post-war spirits with parades and festivities for every major holiday and anniversary, leading to him developing the erroneous reputation of being a partier. In reality, Boguslaw was a sensible and lucid leader who was quite aloof, even for a King. Under his rule, former slaves were “re-introduced” into American society as employees and neighbors; the US expanded westward, gaining territory along the Pacific coast of the cascades region by the end of the 1840s; and the US developed isolationist policies due the south having been aided by foreign nations such as Great Britain and France. Politically, Boguslaw was libertarian, which was beneficial to the libertarian movement of the 1850s and 1860s. Upon his death from natural causes, Boguslaw’s son succeeded him to the throne.

    1/2/1873-2/28/1926 (53 years, 1 month): 5) Ferdynand (10/19/1834-2/28/1926)
    Prince Ferdynand Radziwill was of a diplomatic and political mind, and used the power of the throne to their fullest extent to influence national legislation. As the nation’s longest-reigning American monarch, clocking in just over 53 years on the throne, Ferdynand saw many changes happen across the world. The discovery of air travel, the invention of the telephone, the cure for polio, and the War For Indochina were just some of the events to unfold during Ferdynand’s reign. Domestically, he supported improvements in sanitation and the quality of life in both urban and rural communities, going so far as to support workers during a labor strike in 1889, leading to the expansion of worker rights and the abolition of child labor entirely by 1910. Ferdynand is still remembered as one of the nation’s greatest King. The same cannot be said about his son.

    2/28/1926-11/15/1929 (3 years, 9 months): 6) Rudy (2/8/1870-10/6/1955)
    His full name was Michal Wladyslaw Karol Jan Alojzy Wilhelm Edmund Robert Michal Radziwill. But everyone called him “Rudy,” due to his red hair, so when he became King, he made that name be his official “king” name. Rudy had lived a life of luxury and excess while his father was King, and the lavish parties and vacations only increased in size and infamy upon his ascension to the throne. King Rudy’s time on the throne was also plagued by his numerous extramarital affairs, and past incidents that would now be considered spousal abuse; specifically, he once punched his first wife in the face and then threw her out of a speeding car, and once broke her leg in a separate incident. By 1928, he had been dubbed “Rudy the Degenerate,” and he was losing the support of the Congress. But the final straw was his appeasement policies to the increasingly militant leader of America’s northern neighbor. Americans overall disagreeing with Rudy’s summation that the People’s Republic of Canada had no interest in invading the US only strengthened anti-Rudy sentiments. Suspicions were vindicated upon Canada’s dictator Roy Leitch launching an aerial assault on Seattle and Astoria on October 1, 1929, prompting congress to vote in favor on a declaration of war. To the shock of even his remaining supporters, Rudy was still hesitant to lead the nation to war (and it was later discovered that this was because Rudy personally believed the US would not win a war against Canada). After Rudy’s very short but heavily destructive reign, Congress voted almost unanimously in favor of forcing Rudy to abdicate on November 15, 1929. The former King spent the rest of his life hopping around Europe and the Americas until his death at the age of 85.

    11/15/1929-10/4/1967 (37 years, 11 months): 7) Henry II (9/3/1880-10/4/1967)
    Prince Janusz Franciszek Radziwill was a stark opposite of his older brother Rudy. Taking the name of the nation’s inaugural King, Henry II reversed most of his predecessor’s policies while overseeing the US-Canadian War of 1929-1932, but privately opposed the execution of Leitch being a public hanging instead of a private firing squad (and he may have been right to oppose it, as the imagery of “the Swingin’ Roy” kept relations between the two nations from improving for decades). Being of a conservative mind, Henry II frequently engaged in politics, even openly debating the merits of legislation to the legal extent to which he was allowed. He supported traditional values, but worked to lighten punishments for numerous crimes and to lift several censorship policies. After the conquest of Ottawa in 1932, the King promoted the updating and expanding of America’s military to ensure the nation could never again be vulnerable to attack. Henry II also turned to sustaining America’s prosperous post-war economy by supporting the congress in eliminating key tariffs. In 1965, however, the economic high finally ended in the form of a lengthy recession, and Henry II died in the midst of things only starting to improve.

    10/4/1967-7/27/1976 (8 years, 9 months): 8) Stanislaw I (7/21/1914-7/27/1976)
    Known affectionately as “Stash” in his pre-king years, Stanislaw I (full name Stanislaw Albrecht Radziwill) was Henry II’s son, and was a lifelong advocate of education and the preservation of historical locations nationwide. His Queen consort during his reign, Lee Bouvier, was controversial in that she was Stanislaw’s third wife and was the sister-in-law of Congressional leader Jack Kennedy. An active monarch like his father, he supported nationwide tax cuts to promote consumer spending, leading to the economy returning to pre-1964 levels by 1975. The King planned on a national tour in 1976 to celebrate the US’ bicentennial, but cancelled plans for it after his cancer worsened. Just three weeks after Independence Day, King Stanislaw passed away at the age of 62.

    7/27/1976-present (2019) (43+ years): 9) Stanislaw II (b. 8/8/1947)
    Born Jan Stanislaw Albrycht Radziwill to the future King and his first wife, the Countess Rose de Mauleon, King Stanislaw II is famous (or infamous, pending whom one asks) for being consistency aloof, private and apolitical, embracing the “figurehead” aspect of the job even when his leadership in the face of a national crisis (such as the 1987 Boguslaw Dam Disaster and then the 2003 Ebola Outbreak) was needed. The Queen Mother-in-law Lee was often considered more popular than Stanislaw II, which made her passing earlier this year such a tragedy. And it does not look like Stanislaw II will stop being known as “the Shadow King” any time soon.

    Prime Ministers of the United States of America, 1789-present
    The USA’s Prime Minister selection system differs from those of the UK and CSA by having fixed elections being held every two years. The nation’s first PM retired after ten years in office, establishing a precedence.
    1789-1799: 1) Edmund Pendleton (1721-1803, Federalist-VA) – retired
    1799-1809: 2) Edward Hutchinson Robbins (1758-1837, Democratic-Republican-MA) – retired
    1809-1810: 3) Cyrus Griffin (1748-1810, F-VA) – died from poor health
    1810-1819: 4) Richard Varick (1753-1831, F-NY) – retired
    1819-1824: 5) David Ramsay, M.D. (1749-1824, DR-SC) – died from natural causes
    1824-1829: 6) Felix Grundy (1777-1840, DR-TN) – lost re-election
    1829-1832: 7) George Rockingham Gilmer (1790-1859, F-GA) – impeached for treason after previous comments supporting Georgia seceding from the USA
    1832-1834: 8) Joseph Ritner (1780-1869, F/Anti-Masonic/Whig alliance-PA) – resigned after the US lost the USA-CSA war
    1834-1935: 9) Obadiah German (1766-1842, F-NY) – retired
    1835-1845: 10) Gorham Parks (1794-1877, Democratic Alliance-ME) – the politically-in-limbo “independent states” of Missouri and Kansas voted to join the USA via 1835 referendums, which the CSA accused of being rigged, worsening tensions, though said tensions cooled by 1840; retired, per tradition
    1845-1855: 11) Gen. Henry Dodge (1782-1867, DA-WI) – retired
    1855: 12) David Tiernan Disney (1803-1855, DA-OH) – assassinated
    1855-1865: 13) Gen. Augustus Ferdinand Kittredge (1805-1881, DA-NH) – retired
    1865-1873: 14) Noble Strong Elderkin (1810-1875, DA-NY) – often considered one of the USA’s best Prime Ministers; retired due to poor health
    1873-1875: 15) Francis Celeste Le Blond (1821-1902, DA-OH) – lost re-election
    1875-1882: 16) Truman Giles Younglove (1815-1882, Liberal Republican Alliance-NY) – died from poor health
    1882-1883: 17) George Augustus Marden (1839-1906, LRA-MA) – lost election
    1883: 18) George Leroy Converse (1827-1883, D-OH) – assassinated
    1883-1887: 19) Theophilus Carey Callicot (1826-1920, DA-NY) – lost re-election
    1887-1889: 20) George Zalmon Erwin (1840-1894, LRA-NY) – lost re-election
    1889-1904: 21) Archelaus D. Marsh (1844-1904, DA-OH) – broke from tradition and ran for more than just ten terms; died suddenly from “an attack of heart trouble,” leading to the superstition that anyone who served for more than over ten years / five terms would die in office
    1904-1905: 22) Abigail Scott Duniway (1834-1915, DA-IL) – first female PM, though she mostly served as an interim “placeholder” leader
    1905-1914: 23) David Lawrence Sleeper (1856-1914, LRA-OH) – died suddenly from apoplexy
    1914-1915: 24) Robert P. Bush, M.D. (1842-1923, LRA-NY) – lost election
    1915-1917: 25) Oswald West (1873-1960, DA-OR) – foreign-born PM; lost re-election
    1917-1919: 26) Arlington G. Reynolds (1849-1934, LRA-OH) – lost re-election
    1919-1927: 25) Oswald West (1873-1960, DA-OR) – lost re-election due to Canadian birth at a time of rising hostility between the US and Canada in the wake of Tim Buck rising to power in Canada in 1922.
    1927-1933: 27) Oscar Stanton De Priest (1871-1951, LRA-IL) – first Black PM; lost re-nomination due to (temporary) drop in popularity
    1933-1941: 28) Robert Fay Rockwell (1886-1950, LRA-CO) – lost re-election
    1941-1951: 25) Oswald West (1873-1960, DA-OR) – longest-serving PM; retired
    1951-1957: 29) Lawrence M. Hall (1908-1973, DA-MN) – lost re-election
    1957-1959: 30) Oswald David Heck (1902-1959, LRA-NY) – died from a heart attack
    1959-1961: 31) Harold Edward Stassen (1907-2001, LRA-MN) – earliest PM to be an open supporter of the Jovial Rights Movement, a movement focused on ending discrimination against non-heterosexual individuals called “jovial,” a blanket term for homosexual, bisexual, asexual, transexual, and other non-heterosexual individuals; lost election
    1961-1963: 32) J. Fitzgerald Kennedy Sr. (1917-1979, DA-MA) – lost re-election
    1963-1967: 31) Harold Edward Stassen (1907-2001, LRA-MN) – lost re-election
    1967-1974: 32) J. Fitzgerald Kennedy Sr. (1917-1979, DA-MA) – resigned due to poor health
    1974-1975: 33) Stephen John Brademas Jr. (1927-2016, DA-IN) – lost election
    1975-1985: 31) Harold Edward Stassen (1907-2001, LRA-MN) – retired
    1985-1995: 34) Elizabeth Holtzman (b. 1941, DA-NY) – retired
    1995-2001: 35) William Floyd Weld (b. 1945, LRA-MA) – lost re-election
    2001-2003: 36) Gary Alvin Franks (b. 1953, Moderate/Conservative Alliance-CT) – Black PM; lost re-election
    2003-2011: 37) Larry Householder (b. 1960, LRA-OH) – lost re-election
    2011-2018: 38) Alex Kozinski (b. 1950, DA-MT) – foreign-born PM; impeached over sex scandal
    2018-2019: 39) Joshua Boschee (b. 1982, DA-DA) – youngest PM at age 36, first openly jovial PM, and first PM from the state of Dakota; lost election by a narrow margin
    2019-present: 37) Larry Householder (b. 1960, LRA-OH) – incumbent

    Monarchs of the Confederated States of America, 1832-present
    When the southern US states, led by South Carolina, seceded from the rest of the U.S. union in 1832, the politicians in question realized they would need a centralized government to better organize the war effort. The idea to replace an anti-slavery King with a pro-slavery King gathered momentum, and fortunately, the collection of states had within its population a member of unquestionable regality.​

    8/12/1832-4/10/1878 (45 years, 8 months): 1) Lucien I (5/16/1803-4/10/1878)
    Lucien Charles Joseph Napoleon immigrated to the United States in 1815 with his mother and siblings. His father, Joachim Murat (1767-1815), was the King of Naples from 1808 until his execution in 1815 following the fall of the Emperor Napoleon, who was Joachim’s brother-in-law. While Lucien’s older brother became apolitical, Lucien maintained interest in geopolitics and came to sympathize with the politicians of his adoptive home state of Louisiana. Lucien came to oppose the American King on multiple issues, and accepted the South Carolina Governor’s proposal to serve as a unifying figurehead for the CSA. Lucien’s mother, Caroline Bonaparte (1782-1839), who was the Emperor Napoleon’s younger sister, opposed the war and Lucien’s possible “promotion” to king, due to the circumstances that led to her becoming a widow and not wanting to outlive her son in the event that the war was lost. She was thus relieved when the USA threw in the towel in the face of heavy losses and lost territory in 1834. Wanderlust encouraged the expansionist views of the new King Lucien of the CSA. The newly-acquired territory of California’s 1855 Gold Rush, which led to the famous “55er” gold-diggers, increased support for the territorial growth of the new nation. Lucien also worked on developing trade and diplomatic relations with countries overseas; for instance, due to Lucien’s marriage into a Scottish family, the South found an ally in Scotland, which at the time was still a part of Great Britain. Construction on the Presidential Palace in Savannah, Georgia was finished in 1859. King Lucien’s dedication to improving the quality of life and health of his fellow Confederates increased after the death of the heir apparent, his oldest son Joachim Joseph Napoleon Murat (1834-1862), in a disease outbreak that rattled Baton Rouge that summer. The death of his second oldest son, Charles Louis Napoleon Achille Murat (1847-1875), though, sent the now-aging King into a deep depression, bettered only by the comfort given to him by his last surviving son, who succeeded him to the throne three years later.

    4/10/1878-9/22/1912 (34 years, 5 months): 2) Lucien II (12/22/1851-9/22/1912)
    Outgoing, adventurous and bold, Louis Napoleon Murat had two older sisters who were passed over for the throne due to the Confederacy’s monarchical succession rules in place at the time. Like his father, Lucien II was a very popular monarch, especially as the CSA experienced a long period of prosperity and expansion during this time. Apart from the 1895 Bank Scare, the economy remained strong as parts of the Caribbean and Central America were absorbed into the Kingdom, either by diplomatic pressure or military might. Lucien’s marriage to a Ukrainian noblewoman improved the CSA’s relations with the Russian Empire, which explains that country’s backing of the Confederate Canal dug across the CSA territory of Panama from 1892 to 1907. Domestically, the rise in nonwhite citizens began to worry the nation’s upper classes; many other whites feared economic disaster as the quality of life among slaves was increasingly being scrutinized by foreign markets who joined the US in boycotting their products. To avoid an expected recession in 1908, the Confederate governors voted in favor of abolishing slavery, effective 1909; the economy improved as nations oversees immediately dropped their market embargoes. King Lucien II died unexpectedly in 1912 at the age of 60; rumors of foul play persisted for years, worsening CSA-USA relations still frigid from the war experienced 80 years prior.

    9/22/1912-1/15/1935 (22 years, 4 months): 3) Michel (2/7/1887-6/8/1941)
    The throne’s 25-year-old heir, Lucien II’s son, Prince Michel Anna Karel Joachim Napoleon Prins Murat, broke from tradition when he became the first Confederate Monarch to formally meet with a leading USA political figure, doing so at the nations’ shared border in 1914. The subsequent thawing of relations between the two lands proved to be mutually beneficial, trade-wise, and is seen as one of the few positive aspects of his reign (alongside him managing to change the nation’s monarchical succession rules). As it turned out, the King had a huge drinking problem and an even greater gambling problem, and creating years of scandals highlighting his irresponsible personality. By 1932, after 100 years of independence, the nation seemed to be in crisis no thanks to “Southern Rudy.” Additionally, Black Confederates and Latinex Confederates were demanding fairer treatment as their numbers grew. Amid much internal pressure, Michel was forced into abdicating due to gross unpopularity among both the people and the CSA’s governors. Michel was succeeded by his 21-year-old daughter, and he died from the effects of a lifetime of poor lifestyle choices at the age of 54.

    1/15/1935-4/15/1985 (50 years, 3 months): 4) Laura (11/13/1913-5/10/1986)
    Laura was an inspiration to the women of all three North American countries – Canada, the USA, and the CSA. Born Princess Laure Louise Napoléone Eugénie Caroline Auberjonois (nee Murat), her reign featured technological innovation, labor reform, international diplomacy and humanitarianism, and most notably, a change in the nation’s treatment of woman and non-whites that culminated in the end of the nation’s Apartheid system in late 1941. After decades of strengthening relations between the Two Americas, the collaborative US-CS moon landing of 1979 was a celebrated success. Six years later, after 50 years on the throne, the tired-looking 72-year-old ruler announced she would abdicate in favor of her son. She passed away from cancer soon after vacating the throne, much to the shock and sadness of an unsuspecting public.

    4/15/1985-present (2019) (34+ years): 5) Rene (born 6/1/1940)
    King Rene, the first monarch from the House of Auberjonois, is the son of Fernand Auberjonois (1910-2004, the son of Rene Auberjonois (1872-57)), and is a distant relative of Emperor Napoleon (Rene’s mother was the great-great-granddaughter of the Emperor’s youngest sister). Prior to becoming King, Rene Murat Auberjonois demonstrated a flair for the arts via painting, playing music, and playing bit parts in numerous films and televista productions. As King, he promotes the nation’s growing entertainment industry and is a vocal advocate of harmony among the Confederacy’s many cultures (though the exception to this seems to be the crab-loving Confederate state of Jamaica, whom Rene dislikes for reasons he claims he cannot fathom). Regardless, the camaraderie between Rene and his counterparts in Europe and other parts of the world has really improved the CSA’s reputation abroad; ergo, the King currently remains a popular figure both at home and abroad.

    Prime Ministers of the Confederated States of America, 1832-present
    Wanting to set themselves apart from their Unionist and Canadian “brothers,” Confederates chose a parliamentary system in which a new PM was selected by the Assembly of Governors every five years, with sudden vacancies to the office being filled by the deputy speaker until a new PM was elected to serve for the time left in the term. Due to the nation’s monarchy stemming from Louisiana, the state saw few active PM candidates over fears of an “imbalance of representation” coming about from both King and PM being of Louisiana origin. The de facto leader of the Confederate War of Independence, John Calhoun, was elected in the 1832 special election, and again in the 1835 election that established the five-year term length.
    1832-1840: 1) John Caldwell Calhoun (1782-1850, National-SC) – retired
    1840-1845: 2) Gen. William Henry Ashley (1778-1858, Expansion-VA) – retired
    1845-1850: 3) Edmund Ruffin (1794-1884, E-VA) – lost re-election
    1850: 4) John Caldwell Calhoun (1782-1850, N-SC) – died from tuberculosis
    1850 (interim): Joshua Pilcher (1790-1863, N-VA) – lost election
    1850-1855: 5) Gen. John Giles Adams (1792-1862, Development-TN) – retired
    1855-1857: 6) Gen. Wade Hampton II (1791-1857, E-SC) – assassinated
    1857 (interim): Joshua Pilcher (1790-1863, N-VA) – lost election
    1857-1860: 7) Gen. James Walker Fannin Jr. (1804-1879, D-TX) – lost re-election
    1860-1870: 8) Edmund Ruffin (1794-1884, E-VA) – lost re-election
    1870-1875: 9) Gen. William Barret “Buck” Travis (1809-1876, Confederate-SC) – retired
    1875-1885: 10) Gen. Zebulon York (1819-1900, States First-MS) – retired
    1885-1895: 11) Gen. Wade Hampton III (1818-1902, C-SC) – retired
    1895-1900: 12) Augustus Octavius Bacon (1839-1914, C-GA) – lost re-election
    1900-1905: 13) Ariosto Appling Wiley (1848-1908, SF-AL) – lost re-election
    1905-1910: 14) Charles Brantley Aycock (1859-1912, C-NC) – lost re-election in an upset; was the brainchild of the CSA’s “apartheid” system, developed in some states during his tenure as PM and implemented nationally in 1916, worsening relations between the CSA and several countries.
    1910-1915: 15) Gen. Wade Hampton IV (1840-1917, SF-SC) – retired due to poor health
    1915-1919: 16) Thomas Woodrow Wilson (1856-1919, SF-VA) – died from stroke
    1919 (interim): Thomas Montgomery Bell (1861-1941, C-GA) – lost election
    1919-1920: 17) Claude Kitchin (1869-1923, SF-NC) – lost re-election for criticizing Apartheid on the grounds of federal overreach
    1920-1929: 18) Oscar Underwood (1862-1929, C-AL) – died from the effects of two disabling strokes suffered in the winter of 1928/29
    1929 (interim): Thomas Montgomery Bell (1861-1941, C-GA) – lost election
    1929-1930: 19) William Lee Cazort Sr. (1887-1969, C-AR) – lost re-nomination
    1930-1935: 20) Lamar Jeffers (1888-1983, C-AL) – lost re-nomination
    1935-1940: 21) William David Upshaw (1866-1952, C-GA) – retired due to age; his strong anti-nonwhite and anti-alcohol policies were contributing factors in growing unpopularity of both Apartheid (since 1916) and Prohibition (1931), leading to both being repealed during his successor’s tenure.
    1940-1945: 22) Homer Cling Parker (1885-1946, C-GA) – retired due to poor health
    1945-1950: 23) Colgate Whitehead Darden Jr. (1897-1981, C-VA) – lost re-election by a narrow margin
    1950-1960: 24) Woodrow Wilson Jones (1914-2002, Excelsior-NC) – lost re-election in a landslide
    1960-1970: 25) Solomon Blatt Sr. (1895-1986, C-SC) – retired
    1970-1975: 26) Richard Harding “Dick” Poff (1923-2011, Equality-VA) – elected in an upset; Poff was a former member of the Confederate Party disliked by radical members of the ad hoc Equality coalition; lost re-election in a landslide
    1975-1985: 27) Solomon “Sol” Blatt Jr. (1921-2016, C-SC) – retired
    1985-1990: 28) William Forrest Winter (b. 1923, Equality-MS) – improved standards of living among the lower classes; lost re-election in a very narrow and (allegedly) rigged election
    1990-1995: 29) Roger Hedgecock (b. 1946, C-CA) – lost re-nomination in an upset
    1995-2000: 30) Marion Price Daniel III (b. 1941, C-TX) – retired due to multiple scandals
    2000-2005: 31) John M. Perkins (b. 1930, Equality-MS) – first Black PM; retired
    2005-2010: 32) James Randy Forbes (b. 1952, C-VA) – lost re-election
    2010-2015: 33) Loretta Lorna Sanchez (b. 1960, Equality-FL) – first Latinex PM and first female PM; lost re-election in a landslide
    2015-present: 34) James Howie “Jay” Lucas (b. 1957, C-SC) – incumbent

    (All these people are real, by the way, albeit USA PM #13 was named George Washington Kittredge IOTL)
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  5. Hydrons Well-Known Member

    Jul 30, 2018
    Not from what I've seen but I'll go with your word on it.
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  6. GanMil New Member

    Oct 5, 2019
    Huey Long starts a third party in 1936
    Might add more details later

    Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic) 1933-1945*
    1932: def. Herbert Hoover (Republican)
    1936: def. Huey Long (Union) and Alf Landon (Republican)
    1940: def. Huey Long (Union) and Robert A. Taft (Republican)
    1944: def. Douglas MacArthur (Republican) and Huey Long (Union)
    William O. Douglas (Democratic) 1945-1949
    Earl Warren (Republican) 1949-1957

    1948: def. William O. Douglas (Democratic) and Henry A. Wallace (Union)
    1952: def. Estes Kefauver (Union) and Paul Douglas (Democratic)
    Lyndon B. Johnson (Union) 1957-1965
    1956: def. W. Averell Harriman (Democratic) and Harold Stassen (Republican)
    1960: def. Richard Nixon (Republican) and Wayne Morse (Democratic)
    John F. Kennedy (Democratic) 1965-1971*
    1964: def. Nelson Rockefeller (Republican) and Russell B. Long (Union)
    1968: def. George Wallace (Union) and Margaret Chase Smith (Republican)
    Hubert Humphrey (Democratic) 1971-1977
    1972: def. Jim Rhodes (Union) and John Lindsay (Republican)
    Richard Nixon (Republican) 1977-1985
    1976: def. Birch Bayh (Democratic) and Jimmy Carter (Union)
    1980: def. Henry M. Jackson (Union) and George McGovern (Democratic)
    John Connally (Republican) 1985-1987*
    1984: def. Edmund Muskie (Democratic) and Howard Cannon (Union)
    Ronald Reagan (Republican) 1987-1989
    Mario Cuomo (Democratic) 1989-1997

    1988: def. J. James Exon (Union) and Jack Kemp (Republican)
    1992: def. Al Gore (Union) and Pat Buchanan (Republican)
    Bill Clinton (Union) 1997-2002*
    1996: def. Pete Wilson (Republican) and Ralph Nader (Democratic)
    2000: def. Donald Rumsfeld (Republican) and Paul Wellstone (Democratic)
    Robert Casey (Union) 2002-2005
    Tommy Franks (Republican) 2005-2013

    2004: def. Bernie Sanders (Democratic) and Robert Casey (Union)
    2008: def. Ted Strickland (Democratic) and John Edwards (Union)
    Russ Feingold (Democratic) 2013-2021
    2012: def. Mitt Romney (Republican) and Sarah Palin (Union)
    2016: def. Joe Walsh (Union) and Kelly Ayotte (Republican)
    Marco Rubio (Union) 2021-present
    2020: def. Elizabeth Warren (Democratic) and Jeff Flake (Republican)
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  7. redjirachi Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2018
    They Live: Old Rough and Ready

    Presidents of the United States of America(1776-present), 1849 onwards

    12(first term): Zachary Taylor/Millard Fillmore(March 4 1849-March 4 1853)[1]
    -Election of 1852: Zachary Taylor/Salmon P Chase(Independent) vs Daniel Webster*, Millard Fillmore/John Bell(Whig) vs Franklin Pierce/William R King(Democrat)[2]
    13(first term): Franklin Pierce/William R King(March 4 1853-March 4 1857)[3]
    -Election of 1856: Franklin Pierce/Andrew Johnson(Northern Democrat) vs Jefferson Davis/John A Quitman(Southern Democrat) vs Zachary Taylor/David Wilmot(Union)[4]
    14(second term): Zachary Taylor*/David Wilmot(March 4 1857-December 22 1858)[5]
    15(first term): David Wilmot(December 22 1858-March 4 1861)
    -Election of 1860: David Wilmot/Edward Everett(Union) vs Stephen Douglas/Joseph Lane(Democrat)
    15(second term): David Wilmot**/Edward Everett(March 4 1861-August 23 1863)[6]
    16(first term): Edward Everett(August 23 1863-March 4 1865)[7]
    -Election of 1864: Edward Everett/Abraham Lincoln(Union) vs Andrew Johnson/Daniel S Dickenson(Democrat)
    17(first term): Andrew Johnson(March 4 1865-March 4 1869)/Daniel S Dickenson*(March 4 1865-April 12 1866)
    -Election of 1868: Andrew Johnson/Thomas Hendricks(Democrat) vs Henry Wilson/James Speed(Liberty)[8]
    18(first term): Henry Wilson/James Speed(March 4 1869-March 4 1873)
    -Election of 1872: Henry Wilson/Millard Powers Fillmore(Liberty) vs James A Bayard/John W Stevenson(Democrat) vs Benjamin Wade/Horace Greeley(Radical)[9]
    18(second term): Henry Wilson/Millard Powers Fillmore(March 4 1873-March 4 1877)
    -Election of 1876: Millard Powers Fillmore/Marshall Jewell(Liberty) vs Thomas A Hendricks/Joel Parker(Democrat) vs Theodore Roosevelt Sr/Edward Cooper(Labor)[10]
    19(first term): Millard Powers Fillmore/Marshall Jewell(March 4 1877-March 4 1881)

    Presidents Of the Confederacy Of Southern States(1857-1860, 1870-1871)
    1(first term): Jefferson Davis/John A Quitman(August 23 1857-February 13 1860)[11]
    2(first term): Nathan Bedford Forrest/Thomas H Watts(July 4 1870-February 3 1871)

    [1]Taylor was, in hindsight, a step in the right direction. During his time in office he quarreled with his own party over the opposition over slavery's expansion, and would build up a way to counter-act slave powers. When angry slaveowners critiqued him on being anti-slavery, Taylor said "I'd be the utmost hypocrite if I was. I just cannot abide with north and south on poor footing. We must not let the issue of slavery be the issue of war for our children". While he succeeded, it came at the cost of being alienated from his own party and at conflict with his own vice president.
    [2]Taylor ran as an independent. The Free Soil agreed to capitulate with him, partly out of pragmatism. This would split the vote and the Whig Party, giving the Democrats a head. He may have won were it not for the two-party system, and performed better than Whigs
    [3]Friend to the South, Man of the North, the second James K Polk. Darkhorse Pierce had strong ambitions in the acquisition of Cuba and increasing American territory. Though tempted and controversial at the time, he felt it wise not to reverse Taylor's decision of "new states are free men", which would be a good move in coming years. However he made a massive gamble-to make Cuba an American territory. This started the Spanish-American War. A worse Bay of Pigs was in store for dear old Pierce
    [4]Pierce started out promising, but he gambled it away on a war that the Americans lost. Unlike the War of 1812, this increased dissatisfaction. Pierce held onto the ticket, but the Democrats split. The "slavocracy" felt it was now or never to re-assert their dominance. Thus, to many people's surprise, Taylor returned. "I had thought I could keep the peace out of office. But God has seen it I can not. No mercy for those who'd try to break His beloved nation. No mercy for traitors of my beloved nation!"
    [5]Taylor would establish himself as one of the greats in his second term, for his role in quashing the Great Secession. As would his successor Wilmot, who was anti-slavery compared to the slaveholding Taylor, and would push for the demolishment of slavery. However he could not complete the latter in his lifetime. The Southern Confederacy would see Davis in charge, pitting Taylor against his former son-in-law. It was a betrayal most personal to Taylor, who had come to bond with Taylor since the death of their dear Sarah. Wilmot had no mercy, and Davis and his conspirators were executed for treason
    [6]Wilmot was not a popular man in his second term. Though understandable through a modern lense, his harshness towards the South made him unpopular. Many death threats were made to him, coalescing in an assassination. Johnson, a man loyal to the Union but with interests in the South, seemed a sort of balance. Brawling Johnson was a stubborn man who is seen as equal parts soft and hard, a controversial president that either prevented deeper bloodshed and contempt or set the seeds for the Second Confederacy
    [7]Avoids the cold that killed him
    [8]A new party was brewing. The Liberty Party was a rebirth of Free Soilers and the Unionists. Primarily keeping order. Their slogan was "Liberty for North and South, White And Colored". Best of both worlds, they managed to overcome Johnson. One of the core Free Soilers, Henry Wilson, saw the crushing of the Second Confederacy in its crib, the eventual end of slavery that Wilmot started, and peace with Spain and Cuba. Unlike in our timeline, he does not suffer an incapacitating stroke that leads to his death. Along with Taylor, he is regarded as one of the greatest US presidents
    [9]With Fillmore's increased power as vice president, he was more than just a political relic after he left office. And his son took notes. Millard Powers Fillmore would continue to keep the peace, though was always overshadowed by Wilson. He was interested most in America first, and often butted heads with the labor complaints. Marxism would become a major growing force in the 1880s, eventually leading the Second Civil War. Fillmore declined to run again in 1880
    [10]You know who his son is. Theodore Roosevelt was the first nominee of the Labor Union Party, which is one of the parents of the Socialist Party(also known as the Marxist) that would create the Socialist Republic of America.
    [11]Quitman hangs on longer, facing justice come the trial of the Confederacy. The second Confederacy picks one of the most infamous racists, alongside the ancestor of another infamous racist. If you want to make a timeline where William Luther Pierce tries to become an American Hitler in a world without Hitler, go ahead. Maybe he's the second coming of Jake Featherstone in TL-191

    Feel free to continue this with a Socialist Republic Of America for the typical states where it'd show up, popping up in the 1880s-1890s

    Abridged list(Color-Buff=Whig, Blue=Democrat, Gray=Independent, Brown=Union, Green=Liberty)
    • 11: James K Polk/George M Dallas(1845-1849)
    • 12/14: Zachary Taylor*(1849-1853, 1857-1858)/Millard Fillmore(1849-1853), David Wilmot(1857-1858)
    • 13: Franklin Pierce/William R King(1853-1857)
    • 15: David Wilmot**(1858-1863)/Edward Everett(1861-1863)
    • 16: Edward Everett(1863-1865)
    • 17: Andrew Johnson/Thomas Hendricks(1865-1869)
    • 18: Henry Wilson(1869-1877)/James Speed(1869-1873), Millard P Fillmore(1873-1877)
    • 19: Millard P Fillmore/Marshall Jewell(1877-1881)
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  8. PopulistBean All Hail God Emperor Nixon

    Mar 3, 2019
    "We replaced tyrants with tyrants." - The last words of Robert E. Lee
    Presidents of the Confederate States of America:
    1862-1869: Jefferson F. Davis / Alexander H. Stephens (Democratic)
    Office established
    1869-1875: Alexander H. Stephens / James M. Mason (Democratic)
    Ran unopposed
    1875-1879: Robert E. Lee / Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson (Non-Partisan)
    def. 1874 Alexander H. Stephens / Andrew Johnson (Democratic)
    1879-1879: Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson / Vacant (Non-Partisan)
    Sworn in 1879
    1879-1881: Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson / James Longstreet (Stonewall)
    Switched parties/established political party
    1881-1887: James Longstreet / P. G. T. Beauregard (Stonewall)
    Ran unopposed
    1887-1893: John H. Reagan / Wade Hampton III (Democratic Stonewall)
    def. 1886 Samuel L. Clemens / Albert R. Parsons (Labor) and Thomas "Tom" Watson / George Washington Custis Lee (Populist)
    1893-1897: Samuel L. Clemens / Albert R. Parsons (Labor)
    def. 1892 J. E. B. Stuart III / George Washington Custis Lee (Stonewall Populist) and William D. Jelks / William Yates Atkinson (Democratic)
    1897-1907: Albert R. Parsons / Vacant (1897-1899) Various (1899-1907) (Labor)
    Sworn in 1897 - def. 1896 George Washington Custis Lee / John P. Buchanan (Populist), William Yates Atkinson / Robert Broadnax Glenn (Democratic), and J. E. B. Stuart III / Wade Hampton IV (Stonewall)
    1907-1913: Robert E. Lee Jr. / John P. Buchanan (Populist)
    def. 1906 Albert R. Parsons / Vacant (Labor), Richard Irvine Manning III / Elbert Lee Trinkle (Democratic), and Wade Hampton IV / Nathan Bedford Forrest II (Stonewall)
    1913-1919: Westmoreland Davis / Henry Carter Stuart (Populist)
    def. 1912 Elbert Lee Trinkle / John I. Cox (Democratic), Nathan Bedford Forrest II / Various (Stonewall), and Albert R. Parsons / Various (Labor)
    1919-1925: Albert R. Parsons / Vacant (Labor)
    def. 1918 Thomas Woodrow Wilson / George Washington Carroll (Democratic Prohibition), Henry Carter Stuart / Marion Butler (Populist), and Preston Brown / William Edwin Harvey (Stonewall)
    1925-1929: Sidney Johnston Catts / James B. Cranfill (Prohibition)
    def. 1924 Albert R. Parsons / Various (Labor), Willard Saulsbury Jr. / John Garland Pollard (Democratic), George S. Patton / Various (Stonewall), Henry Carter Stuart / Marion Butler (Populist), Emma Goldman / Lucy Parsons (Social Democratic), and Nathan Bedford Forrest II / Virgil "Bert" Effinger (Freedom)
    1929-1931: James B. Cranfill / Vacant (Prohibition)
    Sworn in 1929
    1931-1945: Earl R. Browder / Emma Goldman (Communist)
    def. 1930 James B. Cranfill / John Garland Pollard (Prohibition Democratic) (endorsed by the Populist Party) and George S. Patton / Nathan Bedford Forrest III (Stonewall Freedom)
    1945-1946: Emma Goldman / Vacant (Communist)*
    Sworn in 1945
    1946-1946: Vacant

    Due to Emma Goldman's impeachment and infighting
    1947-1951: Harry Heth Truman / Claude D. Pepper (Prohibition Democratic)
    def. 1946 Huey Long / Various (Share Our Wealth)
    1951-1953: Harry Heth Truman / Claude D. Pepper (Christian)
    Switched parties/established political party
    1953-1959: Claude D. Pepper / Dwight D. Eisenhower (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    1959-1965: Fred McFeely Rogers / Martin Luthor King Jr. (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    1965-1969: Martin Luthor King Jr. / Jesse L. Jackson Sr. (Christian)
    def. 1964 John Barry Goldwater / Ronald W. Reagan (Libertarian) and George Corley Wallace Jr. / James Strom Thurmond Sr. (States Rights)
    1969-1971: Jesse L. Jackson Sr. / Vacant (Christian)
    Sworn in 1969
    1971-1977: Fred McFeely Rogers / Jefferson "Jeffy" Carter (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    1977-1983: Jefferson "Jeffy" Carter / William Quantrill Blythe (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    1983-1989: William Quantrill Blythe / H. Guy Hunt (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    1989-1995: Fred McFeely Rogers / George H. W. Bush (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    1995-2001: George H. W. Bush / Pat J. Buchanan (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    2001-2007: Pat J. Buchanan / Richard Taylor Pence (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    2007-2013: Richard Taylor Pence / George Willard Romney Jr. (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    2013-2019: Joseph Johnston Biden Jr. / George Willard Romney Jr. (Christian)
    Ran unopposed
    2019-????: Bernard B. Sanders / Andrew Jackson Trump (Share Our Wealth)
    def. 2018 Timothy Patrick Kaine / George Willard Romney (Christian) and David Eicher Duke / Stephen Douglas Black (States Rights)
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  9. Newne76 Prime Minister of Soda

    Jun 25, 2018
    33. Frank Sinatra/Lucille Ball (Democratic)[1]
    (January 20th,1941-January 20th,1949)

    1940 Def:Wendell Wilkie/William Halsey (Republican)
    1944 Def:George Patton/Douglas MacArthur (Republican)
    34. George Murphy/Ronald Reagan (Republican)
    (January 20th,1949-January 20th,1957)

    1948 Def:Guy Gillette/Allen J. Ellender (Democratic)
    1952 Def:John Sharp Williams/Kirk Douglas (Democratic)
    35.Charlie Chaplin/Marylin Monroe (Republican)
    (January 20th,1957-January 20th,1961)

    1956 Def:Kirk Douglas/Harry S. Truman (Democratic)
    36. John F. Kennedy/Frank Sinatra (Democratic) R
    (January 20th,1961-July 15th,1964)

    1960 Def:George H. Bender/Phillip Wilkie (Republican)
    37. Frank Sinatra/Vacant (Democratic)
    (July 15th,1964-January 20th,1965)

    37.Barry Goldwater/John F. Kennedy(Republican)
    (January 20th,1965-January 20th,1973)

    1964 Def:Frank Sinatra/Edmund Muskie (Democratic)
    1968 Def: Lyndon B. Johnson/George Murphy (Democratic)
    38. John F. Kennedy/Ronald Reagan (Republican)
    (January 20th,1973-January 20th,1981)

    1972 Def: Fritz Hollings/George Wallace (Democratic)
    1976 Def:Robert C. Byrd/Walter Washington (Democratic) [2]
    39.Lawton Chiles/Fritz Hollings (Democratic) R
    (January 20th,1981-June 14th,1985)

    1980 Def: Ronald Reagan/Charlton Heston (Republican)
    1984 Def: Ronald Rumsfeld/Jimmy Carter (Republican)
    40. Fritz Hollings/Vacant (Democratic)
    (June 14th,1984-January 20th,1989)
    41.Lawton Chiles/Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
    (January 20th,1989-August 5th,1990)

    1988 Def:Strom Thurmond/Bob Dole (Republican)
    42. Lyndon B. Johnson†/ Vacant (Democratic)
    (August 5th,1990-January 15th,1992)

    43.Dan Quayle/Vacant (Republican)
    (January 15th,1992-January 20th,1993)
    44. Harrison Ford/Betty White (Republican)
    (January 20th,1993-January 20th,2001)

    1992 Def:Lyndon LaRouche/Harris Wofford (Democratic)
    1996 Def: Bill Clinton/Larry Agran (Democratic)
    45.Ronald Reagan†/Lyndon LaRouche (Republican)
    (January 20th,2001-September 1st,2001)

    2000 Def: Elaine Edwards/Evan Bayh (Democratic)
    46. Lyndon LaRouche†/Vacant (Republican)
    (September 1st,2001-October 7th,2004)
    47.Newt Gingrich/Vacant (Republican)
    (October 7th,2004-January 20th,2005)

    48.Russ Feingold/Dianne Finestien (Democratic)
    (January 20th,2005-January 20th,2009)

    2004 Def: Lyndon LaRouche/Rudy Guliani (Republican)

    [1] Second Female Vice President after Laura Clay
    [2] First African-American vice presidential candidate
    R= Resigned
    †=Assassinated or Death from Natural Causes
    John F. Kennedy resigns upon being named the Republican nominee for Vice President by Goldwater
    Chiles resigns, then comes back to win the nomination and presidency from Hollings during the convention and defeating Strom Thurmond in the general.
    Chiles was accidentally run over during a bike ride at night by a drunk driver
    LBJ suffers a heart attack
    Reagan accidentally falls off the roof of the white house during an impromptu press conference on the roof, with the press being loaded into helicopters and to shout him questions.
    Lyndon LaRouche dies of kidney failure
  10. CapitalistHippie's token libertarian

    Apr 11, 2018
    @Newne76 I assume LaRouche died too late to replace him on the ballots?
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  11. Newne76 Prime Minister of Soda

    Jun 25, 2018
    LaRouche died a month before the election, with Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich being sworn in as president until after the election. The electors were obliged to vote for LaRouche posthumously and his running mate of Rudy Guliani.
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  12. Luke_Starkiller Opportunity Democrat; Cold War Junkie

    Mar 7, 2016
    B-Town, USA

    2017-2021: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
    Def. 2016: Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democratic)
    2021-2025: Mike Pence / Tom Cotton (Republican)
    Def. 2020: Elizabeth Warren / Tom Wolf (Democratic)
    2025-2033: Gretchen Whitmer / Cory Booker (Democratic)
    Def. 2024: Mike Pence / Tom Cotton (Republican); Mark Cuban / Michael Mullen (Independent)
    Def. 2028: John Thune / Rand Paul (Republican); Mark Cuban / Neel Kashkari (Moderate Coalition)
    2033-2041: Charlotte Pence / Mike Pompeo (Republican)
    Def. 2032: Cory Booker / Henry Cuellar (Democratic); Nina Turner / Igor Volsky (Independent); Tomi Lahren / Stewart Rhodes (America First)
    Def. 2036: Abigail Spanberger / Ilhan Omar (Democratic)
    2041-2049: Danica Roem / Chris Murphy (Democratic)
    Def. 2040: Dan Crenshaw / Angela Perez Baraquaio Grey (Republican)
    Def. 2044: Abigail Hunstman / Adi Sathi (Republican)
    2049-present: Adam Neumann / Steven Crowder (Republican)
    Def. 2048: Marlon Reis Polis / Dana Nessel (Democratic)
  13. Fleetlord #AtvarDidNothingWrong

    Jun 7, 2005
    In a haze of green and gold
    The result I found for this name is Israeli-born and ineligible unless there was an Amendment.
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  14. Hydrons Well-Known Member

    Jul 30, 2018
    Grant in 1880; A much earlier 22nd Amendment

    18. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican) March 04, 1869 - March 04, 1877
    19. Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) March 04, 1877 - March 04, 1881
    20. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican) March 04, 1881 - March 04, 1885
    Grover Cleveland (Democratic) March 04, 1885 - March 04, 1893
    22. Benjamin Harrison (Republican) March 04, 1893 - March 04, 1897
    23. Robert E. Pattison (Democratic) March 04, 1897 - March 04, 1905
    Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican) March 04, 1905 - March 04, 1913
    William Howard Taft (Republican) March 04, 1913 - March 04, 1917
    Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) March 04, 1917 - March 16, 1921 [Died in office]
    Warren G. Harding (Republican) March 16, 1921 - August 02, 1923 [Died in office]
    Charles E. Hughes (Republican) August 02, 1923 - March 04, 1929
    Herbert Hoover (Republican) March 04, 1929 - March 04, 1933
    Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic) March 04, 1933 - January 20, 1941
    Cordell Hull (Democratic) January 20, 1941 - January 20, 1949
    Thomas E. Dewey (Republican) January 20, 1949 - January 20, 1957
    Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic) January 20, 1957 - November 22, 1963 [Assassinated]
    John F. Kennedy (Democratic) November 22, 1963 - January 20, 1969
    Ronald Reagan (Republican) January 20, 1969 - January 20, 1973
    Hubert Humphrey (Democratic) January 20, 1973 - January 13, 1978 [Died in office]
    Fred Harris (Democratic) January 13, 1978 - January 20, 1981
    Richard M. Nixon (Republican) January 20, 1981 - January 03, 1987 [Resigned]
    Bob Dole (Republican) January 03, 1987 - January 20, 1989
    Al Gore (Democratic) January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
    Colin Powell (Republican) January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2001
    John McCain (Republican) January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009
    Howard Dean (Democratic) January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2017
  15. Luke_Starkiller Opportunity Democrat; Cold War Junkie

    Mar 7, 2016
    B-Town, USA
    He just grifts his way out of the citizenship requirement
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  16. King Jasper Well-Known Member

    Dec 27, 2018
    Weeks in which Decades Happen: MacDonald Survives one more year

    1924-1925: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
    1925-1930: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative)
    1930-1932: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)

    1932-1938: William Wedgwood Benn (Labour)
    1938-1940: Anthony Eden (Conservative)
    1940-1946: Anthony Eden (Conservative leading National Government)
    1946-1949: Herbert Morrison (Labour)
    1949-1955: Rab Butler (Conservative)

    1955-1959: Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
    1959-1963: Quintin Hogg (Conservative)
    1963-0000: Micheal Foot (Labour)
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  17. The_Russian Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2017
    “Let’s stop 911!”
    43. George W. Bush (Republican-Texas) / Dick Cheney (Republican-Wyoming) 2001-2009

    Def: 2000*: Al Gore (Democrat-Tennessee) / Joe Liberman (Democrat-Connecticut), 2004: John Kerry (Democrat-Massachusetts) / John Edwards (Democrat-North Carolina)
    44. Hillary Clinton (Democrat-New York) / Evan Bayh (Democrat-Indiana) 2009-2013

    Def: John McCain (Republican-Arizona) / Mitt Romney (Republican-Massachusetts)
    45. Newt Gingrich (Republican-Georgia) / Marco Rubio (Republican-Florida) / 2013-2021

    Def: 2016: Hillary Clinton (Democrat-New York) / Evan Bayh (Democrat-Indiana) / Bernie Sanders (Democrat-Vermont) / 2020: Elizabeth Warren (Democrat-Massachusetts)
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  18. BlackentheBorg Just like Dylan's Mr. Jones

    Jun 2, 2015
    Warren/Yang 2020
    Straight Outta of Left Field
    (bigger, longer, uncut)

    2021-2023: Elizabeth Warren†/Andrew Yang

    defeated Donald Trump/Mike Pence, others
    2023-2023: Andrew Yang/[vacant]
    2023-2025: Andrew Yang/Greg Orman
    2025-2029: Sarah Palin/Nikki Haley

    defeated Andrew Yang/Greg Orman, Justin Amash/Joe Lhota (Independent Republican), Tim Ashe/Billie Sutton (Independent Democratic)
    2029-2033: Joseph Stallcop/Beth Fukumoto
    defeated Sarah Palin/Nikki Haley, Greg Orman/Michael San Nicolas (Third Force America), Augustus Sol Inviticus/David Weikle (Independent), others
    2033-2037: Dan Crenshaw/Elizabeth Heng
    defeated Joseph Stallcop/Beth Fukumoto, Ginger Jentzen/Peyton Faucett (Socialist Alternative), Aundre Bumgardner/Max Abramson (Third Force America), others
    2037-2045: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Jeramey Anderson
    defeated Dan Crenshaw/Elizabeth Heng, Ron Kind/Rhonda Fields (Independent Democratic), others
    defeated Ryan Fournier/Alex Mooney, others

    2045-2048: Daniel Zolnikov/Benji Backer
    defeated Jeramey Anderson/Steven Fulop, Xiuhtezcatl Martinez/Micah White (Independent), others
    2048-20??: Liliana Bakhtiari/Xiuhtezcatl Martinez
    defeated Daniel Zolnikov/Benji Backer, Jenny Beth Martin/Joe Miller (New Tea Party), others

    Look I tried doing a writeup but I have little to no steam right now.

    EDIT: Got my second wind lets gooooooo

    After Biden sundowns during a TV interview and Bernie follows through with a stroke, Warren is left as the victor following the 2020 primaries. In a unique move, she pivots from her given list of DNC-approved candidates and picks Mr. Universal Basic Income himself for Veep, claiming that the time for normalcy has long since passed and modern problems require modern solutions. Unfortunately for Warren, she gets assassinated halfway through her term (some Alt-Right wacko, nonetheless), leaving Yang in the drivers seat. He clearly doesn't get the memo, because he picks Orman, a fellow unelected independent businessman, as the new VP. The GOP have a time attacking the Democrats as "the party of big business", because of course they do. It's this specific atmosphere that allows for a certain someone to make a political comeback. Palin is a hit with those who voted for Trump and are still convinced he did nothing wrong, but keeps mainly to the farm belt, employing something pundits starts referring to as "Apple Pie Populism" or "Redneck Reganomics". Hers is the first ticket to be fully female and win the presidency, something which unnerves the Dems a bit. Also of note, all parties see two specific splinter tickets forming. Amash announces his at the RNC, Ashe announces his after he walks out of the DNC.

    Eventually, however, Palin's unstable nature shines through and she's replaced by Stallcop, a former Dem/former Liberterian/former Independent/Democrat from New Hampshire. He and Fukumoto want it made clear that, in going full C H A O T I C - C E N T R I S T, they are giving America the fresh start it needs. Orman says the same thing, perturbed that he didn't win the nomination and starting a new party in response. With all this talk about dismantling the welfare state floating about, Kshama Sawant's party begins to gain national traction as the long-promised progressive party. Their first major nominee, Jentzen, even features on the debate stage. Realising her party is going to self destruct unless bootstraps are hauled, House Speaker AOC takes advantage of a Yang-Era policy package and splits her party with Socialist Alternative, leading to a landslide leftist victory. Sure, Kind runs in opposition because communism bad, but there's not even a dent in the EC, which, matter of factly, is quickly abolished.

    Hey, guess what got Zolnikov elected. No, really, guess. If you guessed 'outbreak of flu previously stored in Arctic Thaw spreading across Northern Europe leading to a renewed refugee crisis on top of major flooding at the hands of Climate-change-effected weather" then you get 10 points. What was annoying is that while, yeah, he did end up rolling out what would eventually be Carbon Cards for us wage slaves, he was mainly focused on muh gun rights. Kids aren't even using physical weapons anymore, it's all the cyber. Which explains the NTP and Martinez' first solo run, come to think of it. Echochambers are dangerous.
  19. bonachevski Active Member

    May 5, 2016
    Found this on my Google Drive earlier today. I remember writing it but I didn't add any notes so I don't remember how I made the choices I made. The POD is obviously that Gary Hart's sex scandal either doesn't go public, or doesn't go public until after the election. Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine.

    1988 Sen. Gary Hart (D – CO) / Sen. John Glenn (D – OH)
    def. Vice President George Bush (R – TX) / Sen. Dan Quayle (R – IN)

    1992 Gov. Phil Gramm (R – TX) / Rep. Jack Kemp (R – NY)
    def. President Gary Hart (D – CO) / Vice President John Glenn (D – OH)

    1996 President Phil Gramm (R – TX) / Vice President Jack Kemp (R – NY)
    def. Vice President John Glenn (D – NE) / Sen. Ben Bradley (D – NJ)

    2000 Sen. Bob Kerrey (D – NE) / Gov. Fox McKeithen (D – LA)
    def. Gov. Carroll Campbell (R – SC) / Rep. Jennifer Dunn (R – WA)

    2004 President Bob Kerrey* (D – NE) / Vice President Fox McKeithen (D – LA)
    def. Gov. Jeb Bush (R – FL) / Sen. John McCain (R – AZ)

    2008 President Fox McKeithen (D – LA) / Gov. Gary Locke (D – WA)
    def. Sen. Fred Thompson (R – TN) / Sen. Mel Martinez (R – FL)

    2012 Gov. Donald C. Osmond (R – UT) / Sen. Jack Orchulli (R – CT)
    def. President Fox McKeithen (D – LA) / Vice President Gary Locke (D – WA)

    2016 President Donald C. Osmond (R – UT) / Vice President Jack Orchulli (R – CT)
    def. Sen. John Kennedy (D – MA) / Sen. Jack Reed (D – RI)

    2020 Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D – IL) / Sen. Brad Henry (D – OK)
    def. Gov. Young Boozer (R – AL) / Gov. Rupert Boneham (R – IN)

    2024 - President Tammy Duckworth (D – IL) / Vice President Brad Henry (D – OK)
    def. Sen. Alex Mooney (R – WV) / Gov. Doug Steinhardt (R - NJ)

    2028 Gov. Jennie Eisenhower (R – PA) / Sen. Tom Cotton (R – AR)
    def. Gov. Mahlon Mitchell (D – WI) / Sen. Steve Cohen (D – TN)

    2032 President Jennie Eisenhower (R – PA) / Vice President Tom Cotton (R – AR)
    def. Sen Arik Bjorn (D – SC) / Gov. Jason Kander (D – MO)
  20. Hydrons Well-Known Member

    Jul 30, 2018
    British Prime Ministers based off US Presidents (1979-2019)

    How bad is my understanding of British Politics? Lets see with this list

    Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) 1979-1987

    Douglas Hurd (Conservative) 1987-1991
    Tony Blair (Labour) 1991-1999
    Nick Hurd (Conservative) 1999-2007
    David Lammy (Labour) 2007-2015
    Boris Johnson (Conservative) 2015-2019

    Let me know if this was good or bad. Be honest.
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