List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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  1. redjirachi Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2018
    America Flips A Coin: Dewey Defeats Truman

    The newspapers are never going to live that one down

    32(fourth term): Franklin Delano Roosevelt*/Harry S Truman(January 20 1945-April 12 1945)
    33(first term): Harry S Truman(April 12 1945-January 20 1949)
    -Election of 1948: Harry S Truman/Alben W Barkley(Democrat) vs Thomas E Dewey/Earl Warren(Republican) vs Strom Thurmond/Fielding L Wright(Dixiecrat) vs Henry A Wallace/Glen H Taylor(Progressive)
    34(first term): Thomas E Dewey/Earl Warren(January 20 1949-January 20 1953)
    -Election of 1952: Thomas E Dewey/Earl Warren(Republican) vs Estes Kefauver/Hubert Humphrey(Democrat) vs Douglas MacArthur/Richard M Nixon(Military Republican)[1]
    35(first term): Estes Kefauver/Hubert Humphrey(January 20 1953-January 20 1957)
    -Election of 1956: Estes Kefauver/Hubert Humphrey(Democrat) vs Earl Warren/Barry Goldwater(Republican) vs J.Edgar Hoover/Spiro Agnew(Anti-Communist)
    35(second term): Estes Kefauver/Hubert Humphrey(January 20 1957-January 20 1961)
    -Election of 1960: Hubert Humphrey/George Smathers(Democrat) vs Richard M Nixon/Cecil H Underwood(Republican)[2]
    36(first term): Richard M Nixon**/Cecil H Underwood(January 20 1961-February 29 1964)
    37(first term): Cecil H Underwood(February 29 1964-January 20 1965)
    -Election of 1964: Cecil H Underwood/William Scranton(Republican) vs John F Kennedy/Sam Yorty(Democrat)
    37(second term): Cecil H Underwood/William Scranton(January 20 1965-January 20 1969)
    -Election of 1968: Cecil H Underwood/William Scranton(Republican) vs Hubert Humphrey/George McGovern(Democrat)
    38(first term): Hubert Humphrey/George McGovern(January 20 1969-January 20 1973)
    -Election of 1972: Hubert Humphrey/George McGovern(Democrat) vs Nelson Rockefeller/John Wayne(Republican)
    38(second term): Hubert Humphrey/George McGovern(January 20 1973-January 20 1977)

    [1]MacArthur is more uppity here and decides to pull a third party scenario. And he's as popular as T.R. Most regard this as the reason why Dewey lost '52, due to many MacArthur voters being Republicans
    [2]Playing with a reversal between the OTL 1968 figures. And I'm increasing the parallels

    Abridged list
    • 32: Franklin D Roosevelt*(1933-1945)/John N Garner(1933-1941), Henry A Wallace(1941-1945), Harry S Truman(1945)
    • 33: Harry S Truman(1945-1949)
    • 34: Thomas E Dewey/Earl Warren(1949-1953)
    • 35: Estes Kefauver/Hubert Humphrey(1953-1961)
    • 36: Richard Nixon**/Cecil H Underwood(1961-1964)
    • 37: Cecil H Underwood(1964-1969)/William Scranton(1965-1969)
    • 38: Hubert Humphrey/George McGovern(1969-1977)
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  2. Retiarius You know he knows exactly what the facts is

    Dec 4, 2016
    North Korealiningrad
    Since I've spent this part of the year making two huge projects that are still not even close to being done, here's a quickie.


    Presidents of the United States, to the tune of Paradise Theater by Styx
    1928: Warren G. Harding/Calvin Coolidge (Republican)

    1920: Woodrow Wilson/James M. Cox (Democratic)
    1924: Samuel Ralston/Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)

    Warren Harding was the epitome of the Roaring Twenties. Handsome and relatable, the President partied hard, drank bootleg whiskey, popped the top off financial regulations, did some other stuff that didn’t come out until later, overall just had a good time. Until he had a heart attack in 1928.

    1928-1929: Calvin Coolidge/nobody (Republican)

    Despite what anyone who met him might think, Calvin Coolidge really wanted to be President. He had tried at the ’28 convention, but could only get his wish through the sudden death of Harding. Condemned to lame-duckitude, Cal mostly spent his time grumbling that the Commander-in-Chief shouldn’t have so much free time.

    1929-1933: Herbert Hoover/Dan Moody (Democratic)

    1928: Frank Orren Lowden/Guy D. Goff (Republican)

    “Change is in the air!” the new President declared, legend has it. His most famous attributed quote was truer than he could ever know. Less than a year into office, the world economy imploded, and left the President’s structural reform as the man so far out of step, he was practically standing still.

    1933-1937: L. J. Dickinson/James W. Wadsworth (Republican)

    1932: Herbert Hoover/Dan Moody (Democratic)

    The first president to make wide usage of the radio, Dickinson took much if his time reassuring the nation. His soothing speeches comforted those with enough to survive. But to the bands of homeless roving the country, “everything’s going to be alright” didn’t feed the kids. After eight years of do-nothing executives, America was ready for a change.

    1937-1941: Newton D. Baker/Huey Long (Democratic)

    1936: L. J. Dickinson/James W. Wadsworth (Republican)

    The Newton D. Baker who told the convention about the beautiful dream of the League of Nations was not the same man who took office in 1937. He was hardened, widowed, and very angry. His righteous fury at the establishment was reflected in his sweeping economic reform, and his brutal cutting down of an attempted commune in California. His bitterness caught on with the people, but after four years in office, it led him to step down after one term.

    1941-1949: Wendell Wilkie/Frederick Steiwer (Republican)

    1940: Huey Long/Thomas C. O’Brien (Democratic)
    1944: Huey Long/Henry A. Wallace (Democratic)

    The people remember President Wilkie fondly as the man who led America into WWII, and led it out victoriously. Historians have a more nuanced view. They look at his fumbling mobilization, and the scandals dismissed as hearsay, and rate him merely above-average. Even though they heard almost the same things we have now, they elected him to two terms and would have elected him to two more if he had let them.

    1949-1953: James V. Forrestal/Alben W. Barkley (Democratic)

    1948: Forrest C. Donnell/Joseph W. Martin (Republican)

    The Forrestal administration had started promisingly. The lone Democrat in Wilkie’s cabinet had earned his place in the White house with an exhaustive campaign. Nobody could have known the President’s depression, or his desperate resort to painkillers. After the horrific cost of ‘victory’ in Korea became known, his presidency was effectively over. He committed suicide shortly after.

    1953-1958: John Bricker/Raymond E. Baldwin (Republican)

    1952: Paul A. Dever/Robert S. Kerr (Democratic)
    1952: Hubert H. Humphrey/Frank G. Clement (Democratic)

    A country tired of intervention, in Europe & Wall Street, welcomed the shift to John Bricker and his Old Right style. Echoing Warren Harding’s call for a “return to normalcy”, he was himself known for little but his unwavering support for Secretary McCarthy & his insisting a crowd of homeless protestors should “show some American ingenuity”. Nevertheless; the country was back to normal, even at the cost of a little wealth gap and a few arrested Communists. Surely a small price to pay.


    Well, that was fun. See you in three months!
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  3. redjirachi Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2018
    I think the scandal would come out, but because he isn't personally involved he would "drain the swamp" and regain the favor of the people. He'd just have to make sure it doesn't come out until after he wins re-election, of course. Though that might lead to a Watergate situation. Hmm...

    Watergate, 50 Years Earlier aka Parallelism 50 Years Ago

    I stopped because I couldn't find a good Democratic Clinton parallel

    29: Warren G Harding(1921-1926)/Calvin Coolidge(1921-1925), William Borah(1925-1926): Harding gets in trouble because of a cover-up, though like Nixon it was a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy

    30: William Borah(1926-1929): I doubt he would pardon Harding, but he would have to live with that. Also his affair with Alice Roosevelt and the fact he's the real father of her daughter. He does help with draining the swamp

    31: Cordell Hull/Nellie Tayloe Ross(1929-1933): An unexpected southerner with good values, but is hurt by a recession

    32: Herbert Hoover/Theodore Roosevelt Jr(1933-1941): Pro-business guy, this time around he is remembered as a great president and is in a position to fix the economy. Like Reagan, not without controversy in how he did so. Also made a rival his VP

    33: Theodore Roosevelt Jr/Arthur H Vandenberg(1941-1945): Letting him live a bit longer, but he ends up choosing not to run a second term because of health reasons. Like Bush, part of a political dynasty, but I had it flipped around

    America Flips A Coin: In The Year 2000

    A simple list on this one, if Gore won

    43: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman(2001-2009): The recount ends up in Gore's favor, or it isn't as razor thin so there isn't an investigation. I imagine that Gore would handle the events of 9/11 better if they still happen, we would have generally got a good response to Dubya's conflicts, and Futurama can boast they had a future president on the show. However I feel he'd still be overshadowed by Bill Clinton

    44: John McCain/Sarah Palin(2009-2013): Alright, I had a hard time figuring out a fresh young running mate to balance McCain out. But he should have a good chance of winning(hey, Bush Sr had Quayle) if the incumbent isn't a Republican with a recession. However I feel he would choose not to run in 2012 because of age related reasons

    45: Barack Obama/Bernie Sanders(2013-2021): I see Bernie as a rival and Obama would pull a Reagan, making his rival the running mate to combine their appeal and take out a rival. Obama would run on carrying the same kind of youthful spirit as Gore and McCain

    46: John Ellis Bush/Marco Rubio(2021-2029): Running on the nostalgia for the likes of Reagan and Bush, and a counter to the previous administration as is typical
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  4. CapitalistHippie's token libertarian

    Apr 11, 2018
    The Runner-Uppers' Shuffle
    Wendell Wilkie/Frank Knox 1937-1941
    Wendell Wilkie/Thomas Dewey 1941-1944 (Died in office)
    Thomas Dewey/vacant 1944-1945
    Thomas Dewey/Harold Stassen 1945-1949

    Adlai Stevenson/Estes Kefauver 1949-1953
    Thomas Dewey/Earl Warren 1953-1957
    Barry Goldwater/Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. 1957-1961

    Hubert Humphrey/John Connally 1961-1973
    Bob Dole/John Lindsey 1973-1981

    George McGovern/Edward Kennedy 1981-1983
    Alf Landon/vacant 1983-1985
    Michael Dukakis/Gary Hart 1985-1990
    Michael Dukakis/Walter Mondale 1990-1993
    Walter Mondale/Jerry Brown 1993-1997

    John McCain/Newt Gingrich 1997-2005
    Hillary Rodham Bush/Tommy Thompson 2005-2009

    Al Gore/John Kerry 2009-2011
    John Kerry/Deval Patrick 2011-2017

    Mitt Romney/Tim Scott 2017-
  5. redjirachi Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2018
    Willkie is the Trump we need, but not the Trump we deserve
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  6. PopulistBean All Hail God Emperor Nixon

    Mar 3, 2019
    1961-1963: Richard M. Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
    def. 1960 John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
    1963-1969: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. / Vacant (1963-1965) Nelson A. Rockefeller (1964-1969) (Republican)
    Sworn in 1963 - def. 1964 Lyndon B. Johnson / John S. Battle (Democratic)
    1969-1977: Edmund S. Muskie / George S. McGovern (Democratic)
    def. 1968 Nelson A. Rockefeller / John M. Ashbrook (Republican) - 1972 Paul "Pete" McCloskey / John V. Lindsey (Republican)
    1977-1985: George S. McGovern / Jimmy E. Carter (Democratic)
    def. 1976 Charles "Chuck" Percy / Anne L. Armstrong (Republican) - def. 1980 John B. Anderson / George H. W. Bush (Republican)
    1985-1993: Paul "Pete" McCloskey / Ronald W. Reagan(1985-1989) Malcolm "Steve" Forbes (1989-1993) (Republican)
    def. 1984 Jimmy E. Carter / Jesse L. Jackson Jr. (Democratic) - def. 1988 Paul M. Simon / Al Gore Jr. (Democratic)
    1993-1997: Al Gore Jr. / William "Billy" Blythe (Democratic)
    def. 1992 Malcolm "Steve" Forbes / Jim M. Jeffords (Republican)
    1997-2005: Nancy Landon Baker / John S. McCain III (Republican)
    def. 1996 Ross Perot / Pat Choate (Reform) and Johnny "John" Edwards / Joseph I. Lieberman (Democratic) - def. 2000 Donald J. Trump / Bill C. Merrell (Reform)
    2005-2013: John S. McCain III / Paul D. Ryan (Republican)
    def. 2004 Bill W. Bradley / Wesley K. Clark Sr. (Democratic) and Richard D. Lamm / Howard B. Dean (Reform) - def. 2008 Joseph "Joe" Biden / Hillary Rodham (Democratic)
    2013-2021: Anthony McLeod Kennedy / John Paul Stevens (Republican)
    def. 2012 Maurice "Mike" Gravel / Brian D. Schweitzer (Democratic) - def. 2016 Barack "Barry" Obama / Timothy M. Kaine (Democratic)
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  7. Luke_Starkiller Opportunity Democrat; Cold War Junkie

    Mar 7, 2016
    B-Town, USA
    Ratfuckery 2K19: Final Mix Deluxe

    2017-2019: Businessman Donald Trump / Governor Mike Pence (Republican)
    def. 2016: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton / Senator Tim Kaine (Democratic)

    2019-2021: Vice President Mike Pence / Former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley (Republican)

    2021-2024: Former Vice President Joe Biden / Senator Catherine Cortez-Masto (Democratic)
    def. 2020: President Mike Pence / Vice President Nikki Haley (Republican)

    2024-2025: Vice President Catherine Cortez-Masto / vacant (Democratic)

    2025-2033: Senator Josh Hawley / Senator Dan Crenshaw (Republican)
    def. 2024: Senator John Hickenlooper / Senator Mikie Sherill (Democratic), Former Secretary of Defense Tulsi Gabbard / Congressman Lee Carter (Independent Progressive)
    def. 2028: Senator Stacey Abrams / Former Governor Jared Polis (Democratic)

    2033-present: Vice President Dan Crenshaw / Governor John James (Republican)
    def. 2032: Senator Kyrsten Sinema / Governor Keisha Lance Bottoms (Democratic)
  8. Baconheimer Berserker of Chaos

    Mar 28, 2011
    Former Confederate Republic of Virginia (FCROV)
    The American Presidency has seen many up and downs in its days. Ronald Reagan, swept into office in a landslide, first felt the public turn against him in 1986, when Vice President Bush suffered a massive heart attack and died at the Vice Presidential residence. Cries of conspiracy plagued the President when Bush's successor proved to be none other than "First Friend" Paul Laxalt. Despite early polling showing him as a favorite to win the 1988 Republican nomination, claims of a pay to play scheme involving the neo-fascist government of Nicaragua ended his ambitions. From left field, Governor of New York Ed Koch, who had been a Democrat as recently as January 1984 clinched the nomination over a field of traditionalist Republicans including fellow New Yorker Senator Jack Kemp. As a former big-city mayor, Koch was viewed skeptically throughout much of Middle America and was forced to pick the personable Senator from Indiana, Dick Lugar as his running-mate. The Koch/Lugar ticket won a surprisingly narrow victory over Democratic nominee Jerry Brown despite the latter's perceived radicalism and lukewarm support from the Democratic establishment. Koch's years in office were plagued by claims of homosexuality and mistrust from both parties for his moderate, often maverick, stances. Ed Koch cruised to reelection in 1992 after Jim Traficant, the Democratic Sheriff of Akron turned independent Senator from Ohio, walked out of the Democratic primaries and ran a campaign with LaRouchite support pledging to end 'Free Trade, Free Abortion, and Freeloaders' Though Traficant failed to win a single state, his Democratic opponent, Seantor Tsongas of Massachusetts suffered greatly in the Industrial Midwest. Amidst rumors of an affair with a male White House intern, President Koch abruptly resigned from office claiming the Presidency to be a waste of his time. President Lugar attempted to right the ship of state by being a moderating presence, and extending an olive branch to moderate Republicans with the selection of Pennsylvanian John Heinz as Vice President. Nevertheless, he faced two challengers in the 1996 primaries, arch-conservative Pat Buchanan and a liberal, Michael Huffington. Buchanan slammed Lugar for opposition to a Federal Amendment outlawing gay marriage while Huffington attacked him for being too slow to criticize it. Dick Lugar managed to take the nomination, but was bruised by the bloody primary campaign and easily fell to the Democratic Gore/Levin ticket. Gore became unpopular for getting the United States involved in a war in Indonesia. He is remembered as a hero in Puerto Rico, however, for managing to give it statehood in 1999.

    Jack Kemp, elder statesman and de facto head of the Republican Party, took the GOP nomination in 2000. He cruised to victory over Al Gore on a platform of supply-side economics and a gradual withdrawal of American troops from Indonesia. Kemp remained overwhelmingly popular until the 2003 economic crash, and was narrowly defeated by the Democrats in 2004. Newly-elected President Michael Dukakis was assassinated less than nine months into his term by a disgruntled member of the militia movement. His Vice President, Cleo Fields of Louisiana was sworn into office, making him the first black man to serve as President of the United States. Fields represented an old style of Democrat, one opposed to the New Democrats exemplified by Al Gore. His administration put massive amounts of money into welfare and urban development and not for lack of effort from the White House did a scheme to implement universal health care fall through. Racism always dogged President Fields - though he ultimately was successful in winning reelection, a spirited challenge from perennial candidate Pat Buchanan forced the President to spend more time campaigning than he hoped (interestingly, Buchanan's latest endevour was running for President alongside Alan Keyes in 2016) On the Republican side, the nominee, the libertarian-leaning Bush, faced a splinter ticket led by Louisiana businessman William Dore that advocated for America as a Christian nation.

    The extremely popular Vice President Biden declined to run for the nomination in 2012, stunning pundits who had nearly universally predicted that he would be the nominee. Out of a crowded field, Ohio Senator Kim Zurz becomes the first woman to be nominated by a major party for President. She lost in a narrow race, with the Buckeye State's 18 electoral votes going for Senator Sestak, the Republican nominee, putting him over the top. The Sestak administration experienced consumer confidence fall as a global recession hit the United States and Indian hackers broke into numerous bank accounts. To top that all off, a supposed UFO sighting over Washington DC in May 2015 caused nationwide panic. Joe Biden remorse dominated the Democratic Party from the day Kim Zurz conceded defeat, and, capitalizing off that, his son easily took the nod in 2016 and rode a wave of popular support into the White House. Among his primary opponents was Michael Moore, filmmaker and activist, whose platform of direct democracy and exposing the truth about the Washington Incident garnered a surprising surge of grassroots support. When Moore failed to take the nomination, he launched an independent bid alongside conspiracy theorist George Noory. Though Moore and Noory did not come in first in a single state, they were considered serious contenders for the Presidency.

    As of October 2019, Beau Biden has been largely popular and is the favorite for renomination and reelection next year. Among the achievements of the Biden administration are Americare, a system of universal healthcare, increased funding for Amtrak, as well as a quick and relatively casualty-free involvement in the successful toppling of the increasingly-authoritarian Vietnamese government. There has been criticism from the left wing of the Democratic Party, most notably from Maryland Governor Alan Grayson and San Francisco Mayor Nicola Miner, both of which were rumored primary challengers. The Republican field is much larger, including Former Vice President Rick Perry, Texas Governor (and son of Former President Jack Kemp) Jimmy Kemp, Ohio Governor Marc Feldman, Florida Senator Daniel Webster, Michigan Senator Justin Amash, Former Secretary of the Interior Gary Johnson, and, most notably, 2016 Presidential candidate and activist Michael Moore. Though in 2016 Moore did run as a Democrat in the primaries and independent in the general, he announced his 2020 bid by declaring "there's no a dimes worth of difference between the Democrats and Republicans, at least in terms of how they actually go about fucking us"

    Presidents of the United States (1977-present)

    1977-1981: Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
    def. 1976 Gerald Ford/Bob Dole (Republican)
    def. 1976 Democratic primaries Jerry Brown, George Wallace, Mo Udall, Henry Jackson, Frank Church
    1976 Republican primaries Gerald Ford def. Ronald Reagan

    1981-1986: Ronald Reagan / George H.W. Bush (Republican)
    def. 1980 Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic), John Anderson/Patrick Lucey (Independent)
    def. 1980 Republican primaries George H.W. Bush, John Anderson
    1980 Democratic primaries Jimmy Carter def. Ted Kennedy
    def. 1984 Hugh Carey/Frank Church (Democratic)
    def. 1984 Republican primaries no substantial opposition
    1984 Democratic primaries Walter Mondale def. Hugh Carey, Gary Hart, Al Shaprton

    1986-1987: Ronald Reagan / VACANT (Republican)
    1987-1989: Ronald Reagan / Paul Laxalt (Republican)
    1989-1994: Ed Koch / Dick Lugar (Republican)

    def. 1988 Jerry Brown/John Lewis (Democratic)
    def. 1988 Republican primaries Bob Dole, Jack Kemp, Howard Baker, Bill Janklow
    1988 Democratic primaries Jerry Brown def. Paul Tsongas, Bob Graham, Neil Goldschmidt
    def. 1992 Paul Tsongas/Chuck Robb (Democratic), Jim Traficant/H. Graham Lowry (United States Labor)
    def. 1992 Republican primaries no substantial opposition
    1992 Democratic primaries Paul Tsongas def. Al Gore, Robert Byrd, Mike Gravel

    1994: Dick Lugar / VACANT (Republican)
    1994-1997: Dick Lugar / John Heinz (Republican)
    1997-2001: Al Gore / Carl Levin (Democratic)

    def. 1996 Dick Lugar/John Heinz (Republican)
    def. 1996 Democratic primaries Bill Clinton, Mel Levine, Joe Biden
    1996 Republican primaries Dick Lugar def. Pat Buchanan, Michael Huffington

    2001-2005: Jack Kemp / Rick Santorum (Republican)
    def. 2000 Al Gore/Carl Levin (Democratic)
    def. 2000 Republican primaries def. John Heinz, Rick Santorum, Ken Blackwell, Richard Riordan
    2000 Democratic primaries Al Gore def. no substantial opposition

    2005: Michael Dukakis / Cleo Fields (Democratic)
    def. 2004 Jack Kemp/Rick Santorum (Republican)
    def. 2004 Democratic primaries Bob Miner, Bill Clinton, Tom Schieffer
    2004 Republican primaries Jack Kemp def.
    no substantial opposition
    2005: Cleo Fields / VACANT (Democratic)
    2005-2013: Cleo Fields / Joe Biden (Democratic)

    def. 2008 Jeb Bush/Mike Pence (Republican), William Dore/Mark Siljander (Values)
    def. 2008 Democratic primaries Pat Buchanan

    2008 Republican primaries Jeb Bush def. Bill Schuette, Charlie Condon
    2013-2017: Joe Sestak / Rick Perry (Republican)
    def. 2012 Kim Zurz/Harold Ford Jr. (Democratic)
    def. 2012 Republican primaries Mike Rounds, Robert Jeffress
    2012 Democratic primaries Kim Zurz def. Evan Bayh, John Lynch, Kendrick Meek

    2017-0000: Beau Biden / John Edwards (Democratic)
    def. 2016 Joe Sestak/Rick Perry (Republican), Michael Moore/George Noory (Truth and Independence)
    def. 2016 Democratic primaries John Edwards, Tammy Duckworth, Michael Moore
    2016 Republican primaries Joe Sestak def. no substantial opposition
    2020 Democratic candidates Beau Biden
    2020 Republican candidates Rick Perry, Jimmy Kemp, Marc Feldman, Daniel Webster, Justin Amash, Gary Johnson, Michael Moore
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  9. Hydrons Well-Known Member

    Jul 30, 2018
    A much more dystopian United States

    Presidents of the United States (1789-1834)

    Consuls of the United States (1834-2020)

    Andrew Jackson (Democratic) 1834-45
    James K. Polk (Democratic) 1845-49
    Zachary Taylor (Independent) 1849-50
    Winfield Scott (Independent) 1850-66
    Robert E. Lee (Democratic) 1866-80
    Ulysses S. Grant (Democratic) 1880-85
    Winfield Scott Hancock (Democratic) 1885-86
    Joseph E. Johnston (Democratic) 1886-91
    John Sherman (Independent) 1891-1900
    Arthur MacArthur Jr. (Independent) 1900-12
    Eugene Debs (Socialist) 1912-26
    Douglas MacArthur (Military) 1926-64
    Barry Goldwater (Military) 1964-68
    Ronald Reagan (Military) 1968-81
    Alexander Haig (Military) 1981-2000
    Dick Cheney (Military) 2000-10
    17. Leon Panetta (
    Military/Independent) 2010-20
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  10. redjirachi Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2018
    All Men Must Die: Earlier Than Normal

    4(second term): James Madison*/Elbridge Gerry(March 4 1813-June 9 1813)[1]
    5(first term): Elbridge Gerry*(June 9 1813-November 23 1814)
    5(acting president): Langdon Cheves(November 23 1814-March 4 1816)
    -Election of 1815: William Crawford/Daniel Tompkins(Democratic-Republican) vs Rufus King/John E Howard(Federalist)[2]
    6(first term): William Crawford/Daniel Tompkins(March 4 1816-March 4 1820)
    -Election of 1819: William Crawford/Daniel Tompkins vs John Quincy Adams/Richard Rush(Democratic-Republican)
    6(second term): William Crawford/Daniel Tompkins(March 4 1820-March 4 1824)
    -Election of 1823: John Quincy Adams vs Henry Clay vs Andrew Jackson vs John Calhoun/Nathaniel Macon vs Nathan Sanford vs William R King(Democratic-Republican)
    7(first term): John Quincy Adams/Nathaniel Macon(March 4 1824-March 4 1828)[4]
    -Election of 1827: John Quincy Adams/Nathaniel Macon(Hamiltonian) vs Andrew Jackson/Richard M Johnson(Jeffersonian)
    8(first term): Andrew Jackson/Richard M Johnson(March 4 1828-March 4 1832)
    -Election of 1831: Andrew Jackson/Martin Van Buren(Jeffersonian) vs Henry Clay/Alexander Hamilton Jr(Hamiltonian) vs John Calhoun/William R King(Southern Rights)
    8(second term): Andrew Jackson/Martin Van Buren(March 4 1832-March 4 1836)
    -Election of 1835: Martin Van Buren/William C Rives(Jeffersonian) vs Henry Clay/Willie P Mangum(Hamiltonian) vs John Calhoun/William R King(Southern Rights)
    9(first term): Henry Clay/Willie P Mangum(March 4 1836-March 4 1840)
    -Election of 1839: Henry Clay/Willie P Mangum(Hamiltonian) vs Martin Van Buren/William R King(New Democrat)[5]
    9(second term): Henry Clay*/Willie P Mangum(March 4 1840-August 23 1841)
    10(first term): Willie P Mangum(August 23 1841-March 4 1844)
    -Election of 1843: Daniel Webster/William Seward(Hamiltonian) vs William R King/Lewis Cass(New Democrat)
    11(first term): William R King/Lewis Cass(March 4 1844-March 4 1848)
    -Election of 1847: William R King/James Buchanan(New Democrat) vs Charles F Adams/Millard Fillmore(Rebirth Party)
    11(second term): William R King/James Buchanan(March 4 1848-March 4 1852)

    [1]Madison dies of his illness. Given Gerry's standing there's a question on whether he should even be president, but is retroactively considered such and ultimately given his age and soon death he's more of a placeholder. Cheves is acting president. During all this, there is a decision on who should be president in full. An earlier election occurs
    [2]Monroe, without an incumbent president for additional support, is narrowly primaried by Crawford. Given the War of 1812 and the Era of Good Feelings has been seeding by the time of Madison's earlier death, he benefits from this. He faces more competition than none at all in 1819, this time from a fellow Democratic-Republican
    [3]JQA benefits from the division between Jackson and Calhoun for the southern vote. Jackson performs second, Calhoun third, Clay fourth. However Adams has the popular vote and just enough to pass the 131 and avoid HR
    [4]Although Adams wins honestly, Jackson still has a major populist appeal. He doesn't win by a landslide unlike OTL, and the two are on much better terms than OTL. Jackson hates Calhoun from the get-out. The Hamiltonian Party and Jeffersonian Party are somewhat different incarnations of National Republicans and Democrats)
    [5]A fusion party that takes from the Southern Rights Party. Clay ends up dying for similar reasons to Harrison

    Abridged list. Color guide: Green=Democratic-Republican, Orange=Hamiltonian, Bluish green=Jeffersonian, purplish-blue=New Democrat
    • 4: James Madison*(1809-1813)/George Clinton*(1809-1812)
    • 5: Elbridge Gerry*(1813-1814), Langdon Cheves(1814-1816, acting)
    • 6: William Crawford/Daniel Tompkins(1816-1824)
    • 7: John Quincy Adams/Nathaniel Macon(1824-1828)
    • 8: Andrew Jackson/Martin Van Buren(1828-1836)
    • 9: Henry Clay*/Willie P Mangum(1836-1841)
    • 10: Willie P Mangum(1841-1844)
    • 11: William R King(1844-1852)/Lewis Cass(1844-1848), James Buchanan(1848-1852)
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  11. Pokemon Master What's it to you?

    Dec 23, 2012
    Central New Jersey
    Does Jeb have a different home state ITTL?
  12. Newne76 Prime Minister of Soda

    Jun 25, 2018
    President of the United States
    17. Daniel S. Dickinson/Vacant (Republican)
    (March 4th,1865-March 1st,1867)

    1864 Def: Abraham Lincoln/Horace Greeley (Independent)
    18. Ulysses S. Grant†/John Cochrane (Military)
    (March 1st,1867-May 12th,1869)

    1868 Def: Daniel S. Dickinson/Joseph Lane (Radical)
    19. John Cochrane/Vacant (Military)
    (May 12th,1869-January 15th,1870)
    20. Robert E. Lee†/ Vacant (Military)
    (January 15th,1870-October 12th,1870)

    21.James A. Seddon/Franklin Pierce (Democratic) R
    (October 12th,1870-December 12th,1870)
    22.Franklin Pierce/Vacant (Democratic)
    (December 12th,1870-December 24th,1870)

    23. Horace Greeley/Vacant (Liberal)
    (December 24th,1870-January 1st,1871)

    24.John E. Wool† (Military)
    (January 1st,1871-November 10th,1879)

    25.Henry B. Pane (Independent)
    (November 10th,1879-November 10th,1880)

    26.William S. Rosecrans (Military)
    (November 10th,1880-June 14th,1881)
    27.William Dennison Jr.† (Military)
    (June 14th,1881-June 15th,1882)
    28. William S. Rosecrans (Military)
    (June 15th,1882-August 9th,1889)

    29.Josiah G. Abbott † (Independent)
    (August 9th,1889-June 12th,1891)
    30.Ebenezer R. Hoar (Independent)
    (June 12th,1891-January 31st,1895)

    31.Arthur MacArthur Jr. (Military)
    (January 31st,1895-May 7th,1908)

    32. John Sharp Williams/Bird Sim Coler (Democratic)
    (May 7th,1908-March 4th,1917)

    1912 Def: Arthur MacArthur Jr./Theodore Roosevelt (Military)
    33. Leonard Wood/Robert Lee Bullard (Military)
    (March 4th,1917-March 4th,1921)

    1916 Def: John Sharp Williams/Bird Sim Coler (Democratic)
    34. John Sharp Williams/Carter Glass (Democratic)
    (March 4th,1921-March 4th,1929)

    1920 Def: Woodrow Wilson/Leonard Wood (Military)
    1924 Def:John W. Weeks/John C. Pershing (Military)

    35. John C. Pershing† (Military)
    (March 4th,1929-July 15th,1948)

    1928 Def: Eugene V. Debs (Socialist)
    1932 Def:Douglas MacArthur (Military Liberty)
    1936 Def:Unopposed
    1940 Def:Unopposed
    1944 Def: Unopposed

    36.George S. Patton (Military)
    (July 15th,1948-January 20th,1953)

    1948 Def: Douglas MacArthur (Military Liberty) Chester Nimitz (Naval Supremacy)
    37. John G. Crommelin (Military)
    (January 20th,1953-July 4th,1954)

    38. Lyndon B. Johnson (Naval Supremacy)
    (July 4th,1954-September 7th,1961)

    39. Barry Goldwater (Military)
    (September 7th,1961-January 3rd,1969)
    40. Curtis LeMay (Military)
    (January 3rd,1969-January 3rd,1970)
    41. Barry Goldwater (Military)
    (January 3rd,1970-January 4th,1972)

    42. George Wallace (Democratic)
    (January 4th,1972-January 20th,1973)

    43. Barry Goldwater (Military)
    (January 20th,1973-August 5th,1975)

    1972 Def: George Wallace (Democratic)
    44. Curtis LeMay (Air Force)
    (August 5th,1975-January 20th,1977)

    45. Barry Goldwater (Military)
    (January 20th,1977-August 14th,1979)

    1976 Def: Curtis LeMay (Air Force)
    46. Jimmy Carter (Social Nationalism) R
    (August 14th,1979-January 5th,1981)

    47. Barry Goldwater (Military)
    (January 5th,1981-January 20th,1989)

    1980 Def: Jimmy Carter (Social Nationalism) Frank Church (Populist) Margaret Chase Smith (Women's Revolution)
    1984 Def: George H.W Bush (Independent) Lyndon LaRoche (Socialist)

    48.Jerry Fallwell (Christian)†
    (January 20th,1989-December 20th,1989)

    1988 Def:Lloyd Bentsen (National Revolution)
    49. Barry Goldwater (Military)
    (December 20th,1989-January 20th,1993)

    1992 Def: Patrick Buchanan (Christian)
    50. Jimmy Carter(Social Nationalism)†
    (January 20th,1993-January 1st,1994)

    51. Barry Goldwater (Military)
    (January 1st,1994-January 20th,1997)

    52. Clayton Williams (Rancher) R
    (January 20th,1997-January 20th,1999)

    53. Barry Goldwater (Military)†
    (January 20th,1999-May 25th,1999)

    54. Orlene Walker (Social Nationalism)
    (May 25th,1999-January 20th,2001)

    55.Clayton Williams (Rancher)
    (January 20th,2001-January 20th,2005)

    2000 Def: Connie Mack III (Social Nationalism)

    † Died in Office/Assassinated
    R Resigned
  13. redjirachi Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2018
    Murder Most Foul: The First Assassination

    7(second term): Andrew Jackson**/Martin Van Buren(March 4 1833-February 3 1835)[1]
    8(first term): Martin Van Buren(February 3 1835-March 4 1837)
    -Election of 1836: Martin Van Buren/Richard M Johnson(Democrat) vs William Henry Harrison/Francis Granger(Whig)
    8(second term): Martin Van Buren/Richard M Johnson(March 4 1837-March 4 1841)
    -Election of 1840: Martin Van Buren/James K Polk(Democrat) vs William Henry Harrison/Willie P Mangum(Whig)
    9(first term): William Henry Harrison*/Willie P Mangum(March 4 1841-July 13 1843)[2]
    10(first term): Willie P Mangum(July 13 1843-March 4 1845)
    -Election of 1844: Henry Clay/John Davis(Whig) vs Lewis Cass/William R King(Democrat)
    11(first term): Lewis Cass/William R King(March 4 1845-March 4 1849)
    -Election of 1848: Lewis Cass/John A Quitman(Democrat) vs Daniel Webster/Abbott Lawrence(Whig) vs Charles F Adams/John Hale(Free Soil)
    12(first term): Daniel Webster/Abbott Lawrence(March 4 1849-March 4 1853)[3]
    -Election of 1852: Edward Bates/John Bell(Whig) vs Jefferson Davis/Franklin Pierce(Democrat) vs Charles F Adams/John Hale(Free Soil)
    13(first term): Jefferson Davis/Franklin Pierce(March 4 1853-March 4 1857)
    -Election of 1856: Jefferson Davis/Franklin Pierce(Democrat) vs Henry Wilson/Charles Sumner(Free Soil) vs Millard Fillmore/Gerrett Davis(Nativist)
    HR: Jefferson Davis(1st), Millard Fillmore(2nd), Henry Wilson(3rd)
    14(first term): Millard Fillmore/Gerrett Davis(March 4 1857-March 4 1861)[4]
    -Election of 1860: Millard Fillmore/Gerrett Davis(Nativist) vs Charles Sumner/Abraham Lincoln(Liberation) vs Andrew Johnson/Hannibal Hamlin(Democrat)
    15(first term): Charles Sumner/Abraham Lincoln(March 4 1861-March 4 1865)
    -Election of 1864: Charles Sumner/Abraham Lincoln(Liberation) vs Andrew Johnson/Daniel W Vorhees(Democrat)[5]
    16(first term): Andrew Johnson/Daniel W Vorhees(March 4 1865-March 4 1869)
    -Election of 1868: Andrew Johnson/Daniel W Vorhees(Democrat) vs Millard Fillmore/Benjamin Wade(Peacekeeper)
    16(second term): Andrew Johnson/Daniel W Vorhees(March 4 1869-March 4 1873)

    [1]Its not an immediately fatal blow, and Jackson assaults his shooter before the pain and wound causes him to collapse. Though he tries to hold on, Jackson ultimately dies. Van Buren already has good faith with the administration and easily wins the argument to be president in full. Though the panic will be somewhat of a thing, he is more well-regarded in this timeline and the rematch is less of a blow-out
    [2]Harrison gets sick, but later and holds out longer. However Mangum is primaried by Clay, but they lose to Cass. The allegedly bellicose Cass and his confrontational approach to Mexico leads to him losing the election
    [3]Webster's health is better enough that he lives until 1854, though per Whig customs he's not running again. Sarah Knox Taylor did not die of malaria. Davis has a better military experience, and a on-off friendship with his father-in-law. Pierce proved an important VP due to his northern standings, and the fact they were good friends
    [4]Fillmore is a conciliator who, ironically, saw the end of the First Secession War on a few southern states. He is well-regarded, though overshadowed by the likes of Jackson and Webster. Sumner is like Truman, being seen as poor initially but respected later for his modern views, and how he dealt with the Cuban Conspiracy.
    [5]Johnson was a rising star, part of the military Democrats. Though still bigoted, he is less so than OTL and proved the right type of concillitator and combatant for the Second Secession. He would end slavery in Tennessee after a personal revalation which led to him freeing slaves, though cynics think that this was his anger at the aristocracy. Still, circumstances make him much better than our timeline, some even considering him second to Jackson at that point

    Abridged list(Color guide: Blue=Democrat, Buff=Whig, Pink=Nativist, Light brown=Liberation)
    • 7: Andrew Jackson**(1829-1835)/John C Calhoun(1829-1832), Martin Van Buren(1833-1835)
    • 8: Martin Van Buren(1835-1841)/Richard M Johnson(1837-1841)
    • 9: William H Harrison*/Willie P Mangum(1841-1843)
    • 10: Willie P Mangum(1843-1845)
    • 11: Lewis Cass/William R King(1845-1849)
    • 12: Daniel Webster/Abbott Lawrence(1849-1853)
    • 13: Jefferson Davis/Franklin Pierce(1853-1857)
    • 14: Millard Fillmore/Gerrett Davis(1857-1861)
    • 15: Charles Sumner/Abraham Lincoln(1861-1865)
    • 16: Andrew Johnson/Daniel W Vorhees(1865-1873)
  14. sprite King of the Faeries

    Feb 14, 2006
    Darlinghurst, Australia
    Jim Trafficant is getting alot of play lately. To me, an ignorant Australian, he just looked like a crooked old-style 60s blue collar democrat. What's the appeal?
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  15. LordandsaviorKloka Son of Gondor

    Jan 23, 2017
    middle of New York
    Revised version of my list on page 96. People with unfamiliar names are OCs.

    Presidents/Vice Presidents

    1961-1969:John Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson
    1969-1973:Lyndon Johnson/Carl Albert
    1973-1977:Edmund Muskie/John Brademas
    1977-1985:James Carter/Ted Kennedy
    1985-1989:Ted Kennedy/Jacob Javits
    1989-1993:Ted Kennedy/John Glenn
    1993-2001:Colin Powell/Leonard O’Connor
    2001-2005:Kathleen Allen/Michael Wood
    2005-2013?:Luna Kaftan/John Kerry


    JFK oversaw the Moon Race,as did Johnson after Kennedy termed out. Kennedy founded the Federal Office of Enchantment in 1963. Johnson also withdrew US forces from Vietnam in 1970.

    Muskie is best remembered as a placeholder between JFK/LBJ and JEC. While there was uncertainty of economics,the US enjoyed better international relations than usual,with my boi Yuri Gagarin leading the Soviet government. By 1980,home use of Magic was at a standard never before seen.

    The Carter-Kennedy era is regarded by most as when American politics finally found the foothold many within it had been seeking. We first landed on Mars,expanded our footholds on the Moon and in Earth orbit,and space travel became routine. Near the end of EMK’s second term,the USSR reformed into the Russo-Slavic Union,Ireland got united,and North Korea basically tore itself apart in civil war.

    The Powell era is regarded as the ‘First End of History’. Commercial space exploration became a thing. The frontiers of Magic expanded. The US became the world’s first hyperpower, to use a term coined by a certain British MP.

    In the 2000s,things have changed. With a new God in power,things have become a little more uncertain on Earth. As NASA again flexes it’s muscles,with Venus exploration underway and plans to explore the outer planets,will the course of history ever be the same?

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  16. redjirachi Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2018
    All Men Must Die: Off The Tracks

    I decided against making a Polk dying earlier, because by the time he got sick enough for that to be a possibility, he had completed most his plans and George Dallas wouldn't have much relevance even with the presidency. Feel free to make a continuation

    12(first term): Zachary Taylor*/Millard Fillmore(March 4 1849-July 9 1850)
    13(first term): Millard Fillmore(July 9 1850-March 4 1853)
    -Election of 1852: Winfield Scott/William A Graham(Whig) vs Franklin Pierce/William Rufus DeVane King(Democrat)
    14(president-elect): Franklin Pierce*(November 2 1852-January 6 1853)[1]
    14(first term): William Rufus DeVane King*(March 4 1853-April 18 1853)
    15(first term): David Rice Atchison***(April 18 1853-October 31 1855)[2]
    15(acting president): Lewis Cass(October 31 1855-March 4 1857)[3]
    -Election of 1856: Lewis Cass/Hannibal Hamlin(Democrat) vs Charles Sumner/Abraham Lincoln(Republican) vs Millard Fillmore/John Bell(Independent)[4]
    HR: Lewis Cass(1st EV, 2nd PV), Charles Sumner(2nd EV, 3rd PV), Millard Fillmore(3rd EV, 1st PV)
    16(first term): Charles Sumner/Abraham Lincoln(March 4 1857-March 4 1861)[5]
    -Election of 1860: Charles Sumner/Daniel S Dickenson(National Union) vs John C Fremont/Andrew Johnson(Radical Union)[6]
    16(second term): Charles Sumner/Daniel S Dickenson(March 4 1861-March 4 1865)
    -Election of 1864: Charles Sumner/Schuyler Colfax(Republican) vs Andrew Johnson/George H Pendleton(Democrat)[7]
    16(third term): Charles Sumner**/Schuyler Colfax(March 4 1865-April 2 1866)
    17(first term): Schuyler Colfax(April 2 1866-January 20 1869)[8]
    -Election of 1868: Schuyler Colfax/James Speed(Republican) vs George H Pendleton/Horatio Seymour(Democrat)
    17(second term): Schuyler Colfax/James Speed(January 20 1869-January 20 1873)
    -Election of 1872: Schuyler Colfax/James Speed(Republican) vs Andrew Johnson/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat)
    18(first term): Andrew Johnson/Thomas A Hendricks(January 20 1873-January 20 1877)
    -Election of 1876: Andrew Johnson/Thomas A Hendricks(Democrat) vs Roscoe Conkling/Frederick T Frelinghuysen(Republican)
    19(first term): Roscoe Conkling/Frederick T Frelinghuysen(January 20 1877-January 20 1881)

    [1]POD is that the president-elects is sitting where his son does on that fateful train accident. As in OTL, his wife is traumatized. At least the young Benjamin lives. But the country's in a panic, as no-one knows what exactly to do. While there is no constitutional rule for what happens with the vice president-elect, the outgoing Fillmore and others argue that the best course for continuity of government is to make William R King president among March 4. However his days are numbered and one opportunist knows it. Benjamin Pierce would become an important member of the temperance movement
    [2]David Rice Atchison is considered by many to be the worst president ever, with the possible exception of [REDACTED]. He managed to go from acting president to president in full through promises of continuity and stability, but his results were nothing but. Atchison approved the Kansas-Nebraska Act and fought to make Kansas a slave state, and was a major opponent of abolitionists. As time passed he became more paranoid and focused on retaining his presidency. Eventually he was the first to face impeachment, and ended up convicted.
    [3]Cass had held the role of president pro tempore for unusually long, and it came clear this was to situate himself as Atchison' next in line. Cass was a breath of fresh air, vowing to undo the misery of the Atchison administration. Unfortunately for his ambitions of being being president in full, it was not far off from election year and the damage had been done to the Democrats. Civil War was about to begin
    [4]Fillmore argued a return to the sanity before Atchison and experience. Sumner argued we need to fight. Cass tried to keep everything together. Ultimately, it was close in HR. However Fillmore surrended to Sumner, stating "as much as it goes against every bone in my body, the time of compromise is over. A storm is about to consume us and we need someone like Sumner to fight it. But be assured, I will do whatever is in my power to keep the sanity once the storm has cleared!"
    [5]Sumner and saw the bloody end of Civil War. Numerous threats to Sumner's person, however he avoided the fate of Lincoln. Lincoln was a strong voice as vice president, though he disliked the job and enjoyed his change to Attorney General a lot more. For ending the civil war and slavery, Sumner is regarded as one of the greatest presidents in US history alongside Washington himself and [REDACTED]. BTW, Atchison was the Confederate President.
    [6]The veeps were picked for a sense of unity, and both disagreed with each other but agreed on issues regarding rights towards African-Americans. Sumner would pass an alternate version of the 13th and 14th amendment, which are basically the same. However the 13th and 14th amendments are a hybrid of the OTL 13th, 14th and 15th amendments
    [7]Sumner faced some criticism for running for a third term, and Johnson argued a more merciful touch was needed to ensure the peace would last. Ultimately Sumner won anyway. However tragedy struck as Sumner, after years of death threats and even some attempts on his life, was murdered. His killer? Ironically, it was someone on the side of the Union. From one of the border states, he was an old man with a tenuous grasp on his sanity and who had previous fought courageously in the Mexican-American War, who had blamed the president for the death of his son, who had died fighting in the war.
    [8]Fortunately, Colfax is not associated with corruption. Though he has a less impressive name before getting the veep position. Colfax is less bellicose and more focused on keeping the peace. As with Sumner, he attempts to run a third term(promising he would not run for election a third term), but lost to a Democrat unlike Sumner. And a rather peculiar choice at that. An ATL version of the 20th amendment is made, primarily to avoid "an Atchison scenario"
    [9]Unlike in our timeline, Johnson is not the wrong man in the wrong time. He has more military experience and is a lot more well-regarded, though is overlooked as simply "the man who kept the peace", with his racist viewpoints getting more criticism over time. He is criticized for his tendency to butt heads given his ego. However he has a good image as a brave man who stayed loyal to the union. Something underrated is that he was in opposition to the former aristocracy of the south and wasn't fond of Gilded Age corruption, mainly relating to his personal background. However he still lost to a Republican...unfortunately, not the one the country needed. The events that led up to his fatal strokes have been butterflied, but he doesn't last much longer after the Election of 1876.
    [10]The dapper Conkling is considered the symbol of Gilded Age corruption. Remembered as a rather corrupt figure, who was the second president impeached(although few voted for his conviction and some saw it as a farce).

    Abridged list(8-13 included to emphasize the amount of death, italics for the elected ticket, "quotation marks" for acting presidents). Obviously, he is not chosen again and a Democrat wins 1880
    • 8: Martin Van Buren/Richard M Johnson(1837-1841)
    • 9: William H Harrison*/John Tyler(1841)
    • 10: John Tyler(1841-1845)
    • 11: James K Polk/George M Dallas(1845-1849)
    • 12: Zachary Taylor*/Millard Fillmore(1849-1850)
    • 13: Millard Fillmore(1850-1853)
    • 14: Franklin Pierce*/William R King(1852-1853), William R King*(1853)
    • 15: David R Atchison***(1853-1855), "Lewis Cass"(1855-1857)
    • 16: Charles Sumner**(1857-1866)/Abraham Lincoln(1857-1861), Daniel S Dickenson(1861-1865), Schuyler Colfax(1865-1866)
    • 17: Schuyler Colfax(1866-1873)/James Speed(1869-1873)
    • 18: Andrew Johnson/James Speed(1873-1877)
    • 19: Roscoe Conkling/James Speed(1877-1881)
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  17. GanMil New Member

    Oct 5, 2019
    My First List :)
    John F. Kennedy (Democratic) 1961-1969
    1960: def. Richard Nixon (Republican)
    1964: def. William Scranton (Republican) and George Wallace (States' Rights)
    Nelson Rockefeller (Republican) 1969-1975*
    1968: def. Terry Sanford (Democratic) and George Wallace (American Independent)
    1972: def. Eugene McCarthy (Democratic)
    John Tower (Republican) 1975-1981
    1976: def. Henry M. Jackson (Democratic) and Eugene McCarthy (Progressive)
    Mo Udall (Democratic) 1981-1989
    1980: def. Ronald Reagan (Republican)
    1984: def. Bob Dole (Republican)
    Mark Hatfield (Republican) 1989-1997

    1988: def. Reuben Askew (Democratic) and Evan Mecham (American Independent)
    1992: def. Dick Lamm (Democratic)
    Jerry Brown (Democratic) 1997-2001

    1996: def. Dan Quayle (Republican)
    Lamar Alexander (Republican) 2001-2005

    2000: def. Jerry Brown (Democratic)
    Howard Dean (Democratic) 2005-2013

    2004: def. Lamar Alexander (Republican)
    2008: def. Rick Santorum (Republican)
    John Kasich (Republican) 2013-2017

    2012: def. Mary Landrieu (Democratic) and Bernie Sanders (Progressive)
    Barack Obama (Democratic) 2017-present
    2016: def. John Kasich (Republican)
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  18. GanMil New Member

    Oct 5, 2019
    Harry Truman (Democratic) 1945-1947*
    George Marshall (Democratic) 1947-1949

    Thomas Dewey (Republican) 1949-1953

    1948: def. Henry A. Wallace (Democratic) and Strom Thurmond (States’ Rights)
    Claude Pepper (Democratic) 1953-1961
    1952: def. Thomas Dewey (Republican) and Happy Chandler (States’ Rights)
    1956: def. Harold Stassen (Republican) and James Eastland (States’ Rights)
    Everett Dirksen (Republican) 1961-1965
    1960: def. James Roosevelt (Democratic) and Orval Faubus (States’ Rights)
    Wayne Morse (Democratic) 1965-1969
    1964: def. Everett Dirksen (Republican) and George Wallace (States’ Rights)
    Jim Rhodes (Republican/States’ Rights) 1969-1971*
    1968: def. Wayne Morse (Democratic)
    Edwin Walker (States’ Rights) 1971-1972*
    Tip O'Neill (Democratic) 1972-1973
    Wayne Morse (Democratic) 1973-1974*

    1972: def. Spiro Agnew (Republican) and Edwin Walker (States’ Rights)
    Ralph Yarborough (Democratic) 1974-1981
    1976: def. Charles Mathias (Republican)
    Larry Pressler (Republican) 1981-1989
    1980: def. Mo Udall (Democratic)
    1984: def. Rueben Askew (Democratic)
    Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic) 1989-1993
    1988: def. Pete du Pont (Republican)
    Bob Dole (Republican) 1993-1997

    1992: def. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)
    Lee Iacocca (Independent) 1997-2001
    1996: def. Bob Dole (Republican) and Jesse Jackson (Democratic)
    Paul Wellstone (Democratic) 2001*

    2000: def. Lee Iacocca (Independent) and Steve Forbes (Republican)
    Wesley Clark (Democratic) 2001-2009
    2004: def. Tommy Franks (Republican)
    Ed Rendell (Democratic) 2009-2013
    2008: def. Mike Pence (Republican)
    Mark Kirk (Republican) 2013-2018*
    2012: def. Ed Rendell (Democratic) and Howard Schultz (Independent)
    2016: def. Kirsten Gillibrand (Democratic)
    Martha McSally (Republican) 2018-2019*
    Jim Clayburn (Democratic) 2019-2021
    Jeff Merkley (Democratic) 2021-2029

    2020: def. Rick Scott (Republican)
    2024: def. Rand Paul (Republican)
    John Hickenlooper (National Unity) 2029-2030*
    2028: def. Tulsi Gabbard (Democratic) and Ted Cruz (Republican)
    Elise Stefanik (National Unity) 2030-present
    2032: def. Josh Hawley (Republican) and Dan Feehan (Democratic)
  19. Hydrons Well-Known Member

    Jul 30, 2018
    Alexander Hamilton is elected President in 1808

    4. Alexander Hamilton/Thomas Pinckney (Federalist) 1809-17
    James Monroe/Daniel D. Tompkins (Republican) 1817-25
    Henry Clay/John C. Calhoun (National Union) 1825-33
    John C. Calhoun/John Tyler (National Union) 1833-35*
    John Tyler/Vacant (Independent) 1835-37

    After declining the duel with Aaron Burr in 1804, Hamilton begun preparations for a run for President in 1808. Burr was running too, so instead of a duel fought with guns, it would be a duel fought with ideologies. Hamilton and Burr would sweep the field in their respective conventions, eliminating other potential candidates. This election becomes the closest since 1800, but as Hamilton did in 1800, Thomas Jefferson returned the favor, giving an open endorsement to Hamilton, and with this, Hamilton won the Election of 1808. In a huff, Aaron Burr left the United States for Europe, in particular Paris. Hamilton would quickly repeal the Embargo Act, and eventually set off for London to work on negotiations with the UK. After some negotiation, the Jay Treaty would be restored as long as the US gave aid to Britain in its war against Napoleon. Hamilton is easily reelected in 1812, defeating James Madison. By 1815, Napoleon had surrendered. Aaron Burr, who eventually became a general in the French army, was sent back to the United States, and executed for treason on September 14, 1816, at the age of 60. President Hamilton could have decided to run for a third term in 1816, but he declined, letting Vice President Thomas Pinckney grab the nomination. Pinckney and his running mate Rufus King would lose to James Monroe by a slim margin, however. Hamilton would spend the rest of his life in a quiet retirement until his death on March 11, 1829, at the age of 72.

    James Monroe had previously ran for President in 1808 and 1812, before finally getting the Republican nomination in 1816. James Monroe would defeat Vice President Thomas Pinckney in 1816, bringing the Republicans back to the White House. Monroe would be tasked with restoring normalcy in the United States after the Napoleonic Wars, the very thing Monroe campaigned on. Monroe would try to distance the US from Europe, which did hurt Anglo-American relations. in 1818, Monroe would introduce the Monroe Doctrine, which said the US would go to war with any European power wishing to colonize the Americas. In 1820, Monroe would defeat Rufus King for reelection as President, giving him a second term. Monroe would leave the Presidency in 1825 with high approval numbers, and would live out in a quiet retirement until his death on July 4, 1831, at the age of 73

    Henry Clay arose the winner in the chaos that was the 1824 Election. There were 4 candidates, Andrew Jackson and William Crawford of the Republicans, Clay of the Federalists, and John Quincy Adams, also a Federalist. The Federalist Party revolved much around Hamiltonianism, and despite having been out of office for almost a decade, then 67 year old Alexander Hamilton still held control of the party. He supported Clay over Adams for the nomination, but Adams ran a campaign against Clay in the general election. Despite getting 2nd in both popular vote and electoral votes, Clay won on the 2nd ballot in the House, after most of Adam's votes from the 1st ballot were thrown to Clay. Clay attempted to unify the nation amidst the chaos, and founded the National Union Party with Republican Vice-President John C. Calhoun in 1825. This effectively ended the First Party System. Andrew Jackson attempted a political comeback of his own, with his own Democratic Party that he created with his running mate, Martin Van Buren, also in 1825. Jackson failed to defeat President Clay however, and the Democrats fell into relative obscurity. Clay would be best known for finalizing the border between British Canada and the United States. Clay would leave office with high approval ratings, just like his two most recent predecessors, Hamilton and Monroe.

    Vice-President John C. Calhoun was the obvious successor of President Clay, and he faced minor opposition in 1832, the only major candidate being Martin Van Buren of the Democrats (although Van Buren stole New England from Calhoun with his anti-slavery stance). Calhoun had ambitions of the US becoming a world superpower. In 1834, Calhoun declared war on Mexico over Texas. Calhoun however, would not see the end of the war in his Presidency, as on January 30, 1835, President Calhoun would be shot down and killed by Richard Lawrence. Calhoun was just 52 years old, and Calhoun would be the first President to die in office, and the first to be assassinated. Vice-President John Tyler would take on the Presidency after Calhoun's death, establishing the first official Presidential line of succession.

    Despite being the one to establish the Presidential line of succession, Tyler would not be remembered fondly for much else. Although Tyler did win the war with Mexico in 1836, It came with a hefty cost. The Battle of the Alamo, the final battle of the First Mexican-American war led to the death of lead general Davy Crockett. Crockett's death was blamed on Tyler, and his increasingly unappealing stances on... basically every policy imaginable... led to the breakup of the National Union Party just before the 1836 Election. With the fall of easily the largest party in America, it looks like 1836 is to be a second 1824. The Democrats have decided to run James K. Polk of Tennessee, While a new party, the Whigs, have went with two nominees, William Henry Harrison of Ohio, and Willie P. Magnum of North Carolina.

    [Follow up soon]
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  20. theev Suede-Denim Secret Police

    May 7, 2015
    How is Debs dystopian?
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