List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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VPs of OTL are President in this TL:
41. George Bush | Dan Quayle (Republican): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: Bill Clinton | Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
42. Walter Mondale | Joe Biden (Democratic): 1993-2001
Def. 1992: George Bush | Dan Quayle (Republican) , Ross Perot | Pat Buchanan (Independent)
Def. 1996: Bob Dole | Jack Kemp ( Republican) , Ross Perot | Steve Forbes ( Reform)
43. Dick Cheney*| John Danforth (Republican): 2001-2005
Def. 2000: Joe Biden | Evan Bayh (Democratic) , Ralph Nader | Jerry Brown (Green-Liberal Democratic Alliance)
44. Joe Biden | Paul Wellstone*(Democratic): 2005-2009
Def. 2004: John Danforth | Jeb Bush (Republican)
45. Dan Quayle | Tim Pawlenty (Republican): 2009-2013
Def. 2008: Joe Biden | John Edwards (Democratic)
46. Al Gore | Russ Feingold (Democratic): 2013-2021
Def. 2012: Dan Quayle | Tim Pawlenty (Republican)
Def. 2016: Tim Pawlenty | Paul Ryan (Republican)
47. Mike Pence | Jeff Flake (Republican): 2021-Incumbent
Def. 2020: Russ Feingold | Cory Booker (Democratic)
*= Declined to seek re election for Health Reasons
41. George Bush | Dan Quayle (Republican): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: Bill Clinton | Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
42. Walter Mondale | Joe Biden (Democratic): 1993-2001
Def. 1992: George Bush | Dan Quayle (Republican) , Ross Perot | Pat Buchanan (Independent)
Def. 1996: Bob Dole | Jack Kemp ( Republican) , Ross Perot | Steve Forbes ( Reform)
43. Dick Cheney*| John Danforth (Republican): 2001-2005
Def. 2000: Joe Biden | Evan Bayh (Democratic) , Ralph Nader | Jerry Brown (Green-Liberal Democratic Alliance)
44. Joe Biden | Paul Wellstone*(Democratic): 2005-2009
Def. 2004: John Danforth | Jeb Bush (Republican)
45. Dan Quayle | Tim Pawlenty (Republican): 2009-2013
Def. 2008: Joe Biden | John Edwards (Democratic)
46. Al Gore | Russ Feingold (Democratic): 2013-2021
Def. 2012: Dan Quayle | Tim Pawlenty (Republican)
Def. 2016: Tim Pawlenty | Paul Ryan (Republican)
47. Mike Pence | Jeff Flake (Republican): 2021-Incumbent
Def. 2020: Russ Feingold | Cory Booker (Democratic)
*= Declined to seek re election for Health Reasons
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2015 - 2016: David Cameron (Conservative majority)
2015: Ed Miliband (Labour); Nicola Sturgeon (SNP); Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat)
2016 - 2017: Theresa May (Conservative majority)
2017 - 2017: Theresa May (Conservative minority with DUP supply and confidence)
2017: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour); Nicola Sturgeon (SNP); Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat); Arlene Foster (DUP); Gerry Adams (Sinn Féin)
2017 - 2020: Boris Johnson (Conservative minority with DUP supply and confidence)
2020 - present: Clive Lewis (Labour majority)
2020: Boris Johnson (Conservative); Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrat); Anna Soubry (2020 Voice); Stewart Hosie (SNP); Arlene Foster (DUP)
2023: Dominic Raab (Conservative); Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrat); Anna Soubry (The Centre); Stewart Hosie (SNP)
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2015 - 2016: David Cameron (Conservative majority)
2015: Ed Miliband (Labour); Nicola Sturgeon (SNP); Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat)
2016 - 2017: Theresa May (Conservative majority)
2017 - 2017: Theresa May (Conservative minority with DUP supply and confidence)
2017: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour); Nicola Sturgeon (SNP); Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat); Arlene Foster (DUP); Gerry Adams (Sinn Féin)
2017 - 2020: Boris Johnson (Conservative minority with DUP supply and confidence)
2020 - present: Clive Lewis (Labour majority)
2020: Boris Johnson (Conservative); Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrat); Anna Soubry (2020 Voice); Stewart Hosie (SNP); Arlene Foster (DUP)
2023: Dominic Raab (Conservative); Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrat); Anna Soubry (The Centre); Stewart Hosie (SNP)
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I thought of Lee Hoi Chang who served as president of Republic of korea in 2007-2012. He found third time to be the charm after that defeat in 1997 and 2002 elections.
The Last, Best Hope
The 'Granita Fire', which killed two of John Smith's most likely successors in Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, had a truly debilitating effect on the Labour Party. They would go on to elect the brutish John Prescott, whose media profile was consistently undermined by members of his own frontbench. The Tories, desperate for a revival against a weaker than expected leader, dump Major for Rifkind and manage not to hash up the last two years of their term beyond what was predicted, partially helped by James Goldsmith's early retirement to the grave. Prescott wins in the end, but his 50 seat majority is threatened by his wavering on the 1998 War in Iraq. However, as it turns out, it would be quite some time before Labour got another Prime Minister...
1992-1995: John Major (Conservative majority)
1992 def: Neil Kinnock (Labour), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
1995-1997: Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative minority with UUP supply and confidence)
1997-2002: John Prescott (Labour majority)
1997 def: Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats), Alan Sked (UKIP)
2002-2007: David Hunt (Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition)
2002 def: John Prescott (Labour), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP)
2007-2008: Paul Marsden (Labour minority with SNP and SDLP supply and confidence)
2007 def: David Hunt (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP)
2008-2016: Damian Green (Conservative majority)
2008 def: Paul Marsden (Labour), Michael Moore (Liberal Democrats), Dave Nellist (New Coalition)
2012 def: Johann Lamont (Labour), Brian Paddick (Liberal Democrats), Angus Robertson (SNP), Dave Nellist (New Coalition)
2016-0000: Jessica Morden (Labour majority)
2016 def: Damian Green (Conservative), Sal Brinton (Liberal Democrats), Angus Robertson (SNP), Craig Mackinley (National), Paul Mason (Nu-coalition)
The 'Granita Fire', which killed two of John Smith's most likely successors in Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, had a truly debilitating effect on the Labour Party. They would go on to elect the brutish John Prescott, whose media profile was consistently undermined by members of his own frontbench. The Tories, desperate for a revival against a weaker than expected leader, dump Major for Rifkind and manage not to hash up the last two years of their term beyond what was predicted, partially helped by James Goldsmith's early retirement to the grave. Prescott wins in the end, but his 50 seat majority is threatened by his wavering on the 1998 War in Iraq. However, as it turns out, it would be quite some time before Labour got another Prime Minister...
1992-1995: John Major (Conservative majority)
1992 def: Neil Kinnock (Labour), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
1995-1997: Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative minority with UUP supply and confidence)
1997-2002: John Prescott (Labour majority)
1997 def: Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats), Alan Sked (UKIP)
2002-2007: David Hunt (Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition)
2002 def: John Prescott (Labour), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP)
2007-2008: Paul Marsden (Labour minority with SNP and SDLP supply and confidence)
2007 def: David Hunt (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP)
2008-2016: Damian Green (Conservative majority)
2008 def: Paul Marsden (Labour), Michael Moore (Liberal Democrats), Dave Nellist (New Coalition)
2012 def: Johann Lamont (Labour), Brian Paddick (Liberal Democrats), Angus Robertson (SNP), Dave Nellist (New Coalition)
2016-0000: Jessica Morden (Labour majority)
2016 def: Damian Green (Conservative), Sal Brinton (Liberal Democrats), Angus Robertson (SNP), Craig Mackinley (National), Paul Mason (Nu-coalition)
Kovalenko - Literally OTL
Don't mind me.
1953-1961: Dwight D. Eisenhower / Richard Nixon (Republican)
1952: Adlai Stevenson / John Sparkman (Democratic)
1956: Adlai Stevenson / Estes Kefauver (Democratic)
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy / Lyndon Johnson (Democratic)
1960: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
1963-1965: Lyndon Johnson / vacant (Democratic)
1965-1969: Lyndon Johnson / Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1964: Barry Goldwater / William E. Miller (Republican)
1969-1973: Richard Nixon / Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1968: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie (Democratic), George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
1972: George McGovern / Sargent Shriver (Democratic)
1973-1974: Richard Nixon / vacant (Republican)
1974-1974: Richard Nixon / Gerald R. Ford (Republican)
1974-1974: Gerald R. Ford / vacant (Republican)
1974-1977: Gerald R. Ford / Nelson A. Rockefeller (Republican)
1977-1981: James E. Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1976: Gerald R. Ford / Bob Dole (Republican)
1981-1989: Ronald Reagan / George Bush Sr. (Republican)
1980: James E. Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1984: Walter Mondale / Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1989-1993: George Bush Sr. / Dan Quayle (Republican)
1988: Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)
1993-2001: Bill Clinton / Al Gore (Democratic)
1992: George Bush Sr. / Dan Quayle (Republican)
1996: Bob Dole / Jack Kemp (Republican)
2001-2009: George Bush Jr. / Dick Cheney (Republican)
2000: Al Gore / Joseph Lieberman (Democratic)
2004: John Kerry / John Edwards (Democratic)
2009-2017: Barack Obama / Joseph R. Biden (Democratic)
2008: John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican)
2012: Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan (Republican)
2017-2025: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2016: Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democratic)
1953-1961: Dwight D. Eisenhower / Richard Nixon (Republican)
1952: Adlai Stevenson / John Sparkman (Democratic)
1956: Adlai Stevenson / Estes Kefauver (Democratic)
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy / Lyndon Johnson (Democratic)
1960: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
1963-1965: Lyndon Johnson / vacant (Democratic)
1965-1969: Lyndon Johnson / Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1964: Barry Goldwater / William E. Miller (Republican)
1969-1973: Richard Nixon / Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1968: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie (Democratic), George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
1972: George McGovern / Sargent Shriver (Democratic)
1973-1974: Richard Nixon / vacant (Republican)
1974-1974: Richard Nixon / Gerald R. Ford (Republican)
1974-1974: Gerald R. Ford / vacant (Republican)
1974-1977: Gerald R. Ford / Nelson A. Rockefeller (Republican)
1977-1981: James E. Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1976: Gerald R. Ford / Bob Dole (Republican)
1981-1989: Ronald Reagan / George Bush Sr. (Republican)
1980: James E. Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1984: Walter Mondale / Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1989-1993: George Bush Sr. / Dan Quayle (Republican)
1988: Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)
1993-2001: Bill Clinton / Al Gore (Democratic)
1992: George Bush Sr. / Dan Quayle (Republican)
1996: Bob Dole / Jack Kemp (Republican)
2001-2009: George Bush Jr. / Dick Cheney (Republican)
2000: Al Gore / Joseph Lieberman (Democratic)
2004: John Kerry / John Edwards (Democratic)
2009-2017: Barack Obama / Joseph R. Biden (Democratic)
2008: John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican)
2012: Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan (Republican)
2017-2025: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2016: Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democratic)
Pfft. How unoriginal. All of these people are either OTL Presidents or Presidential nominees.
(NOTE: This was meant to be a joke, a play on a complaint I see sometimes on this thread)
The only contemporary William E. Miller I'm finding is a Tennessee federal judge. Really digging deep there, aren't you?
Not to ruin the fun, but Millers only other claim to fame was an appearance in a series of MasterCard commercials entitled "Remember Me?!" in the 1980s.
A little convergent, but I like the idea of Eisenhower being President (military figures from WW2 are always good hipster choices). I'm guessing Reagan is a kind of later President Goldwater? Seems a bit late to have him, but I can buy the idea of him being President at some point. It was also good to see Johnson, even if his years in the White House are seemingly halved here. Dukakis too, of course - there's something quite poetic in having him lose the Presidency ITTL and thus save his life from assassination.
I had to search up Barack Obama - never heard of him before. I suppose I don't know much about the Hawaii State Legislature, though. Trump as a Republican, with Pence as VP, seems very left-field (or right-field, as it were) - how did a Democratic East Coast businessman who financially supports international gay rights groups end up with a disgraced former news anchor who writes about the "pink conspiracy" in the media? How did that happen?
What happens to Kennedy? Scandal and Impeachment? Assassination? Seems a bit of a sudden spin bowl for the sake of drama* but I guess you can't predict reality at times (I mean, as Comisario mentioned, Dukakis)
*(also a criticism I see on this thread,)
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Don't forget that Pence is a dyed in the wool Democrat. Having both Trump and Pence run as Republicans - especially following a Democratic ticket that included Joe Biden who was briefly a Republican Senator from Delaware until his resignation shortly after being sworn into office, due to the death of his wife and one of his children in late 1972.
Wasn't Carter that fellow who ran a populist segregationist campaign for the Democratic nomination in Georgia in 1970, yet who lost to a more liberal Democratic candidate. I guess having him in there is a bit too convergent for my tastes, I mean I guess based of that campaign he'd be like President Wallace from 77-81, I mean he even has the same running mate in that list.
My main problem is Kennedy. He was considered too young and, as @Bolt451 says, there doesn't seem to be any explanation for why he's not President after 1963. I suppose he could have died earlier than OTL or even resigned over his health worries, but there's still the hurdle of him not being seen as a great Democratic statesman until '72 and the abortive primary run that finally killed him.
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