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isabella

Jan Olbracht said:
If Francis is going to remarry ITTL after death of Claude he could marry one of João's sisters-Isabella or Beatrice, or one of Philip of Austria's daughters, so Austrian or Iberian candidate would still be related to French royals, especially considering the fact, that Dauphin ITTL is married to Spanish princess, so Henry X would marry sister of French Queen.
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I was saying Renee then another Spanish match but not marrying always in Catherine’s family...
 

isabella

Wendell said:
Why marry her to John of Portugal instead of to the Duke of Calabria?
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krieger said:
Because @Jan Olbracht is a fan of house of Aviz, and this is his list (and because Catholic Monarchs really wanted to unite Iberia) :)
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Manuel I of Portugal is a close ally and his son a grandson of Ferdinand and Isabella who will bring Portugal in the Union while Ferdinand of Calabria is only the heir of an illegitimate branch of the dynasty who Ferdinand of Aragon do not like at all... being a Trastamara is the only positive thing of the Duke of Calabria for Ferdinand (and likely also for Isabella). I would call the girl Juana instead of Isabella and marry her to a surviving Miguel but João is the next best option...
 

WillVictoria

WI Charles II married Louise Henrietta of Nassau in exile

Charles II (b.1630 r.1660 d.1685) m. Louisa Henrietta (b.1627 m. 1646 d. 1667)
  1. Charles III (1648 - 1700) m. Luisa of Braganza* (1648 - 1706)
    1. Charles IV (1669 - 1730) m. Caroline of Ansbach
      1. Charles (1707 - 1775)
      2. John, Duke of Clarence (1710 - 1754)
      3. Frederick, Duke of Cleveland (1711 - 1716)
      4. William, Duke of St.Albans (1712 - 1750)
      5. Louise (1715 - 1731)
      6. Eleanor (1715 - 1725)
      7. Caroline (1718 - 1721)
      8. Amelia (1723 - 1769)
    2. John, Duke of Kendal (1671 - 1685)
    3. Henry, Duke of Clarence (1672 - 1682)
    4. James, Duke of Cleveland (1672 - 1687)
    5. Louise, Princess Royal (1675 - 1760) m. Ernst Louis I of Saxe Meiningen
      1. Josef Bernhard (1697 - 1713)
      2. Louise Dorothea (1698 - 1779)
      3. Marie Hedwig (1702 - 1703)
      4. Catherine Marie (1707 - 1745)
      5. Henrietta (1711 - 1718)
      6. Karl Augustus (1714 - 1756)
      7. Ernest Ludwig (1716 - 1763)
    6. William, Duke of Southampton (1678 - 1756) m. Johanna Charlotte of Anhalt Dessau
      1. Louise Henriette (1700 - 1755)
      2. Johanna Catherine (1705 - 1761)
      3. Amelia Charlotte (1709 -1721)
      4. William Charles, Duke of Bedford (1712 - 1778)
      5. Frederick George, Duke of Edinburgh (1715 - 1723)
    7. Frederick, Duke of Richmond (1678 - 1721) m. Elizabeth Charlotte of Orleans
      1. Elisabeth Charlotte (1699 - 1770)
      2. Louise Christine (1701 - 1724)
      3. Charles Philip, Duke of Sutherland (1703 - 1723)
      4. Stillborn son (1704)
      5. Henrietta Marie (1707 - 1763)
      6. Catherine Amelia (1709 - 1758)
      7. Rupert Frederick (1712 - 1794)
      8. Mary Anne (1716 - 1737)
    8. Henrietta (1681 - 1689)
    9. Theodore, Duke of St.Albans (1684 - 1693)
    10. Catherine (1685 - 1720) m. George II of Hannover
      1. Frederick (1709 - 1771)
      2. Louise (1711 -1724)
      3. George Charles (1712 -1718)
      4. William (1715)
      5. Charles (1719 - 1769)
  2. Henrietta Amalia, Princess Royal (1651 - 1681) m. Christian V of Denmark (1646 - 1699)
    1. Frederick IV (1671 - 1722) m. Louise of Mecklenburg Gustrow
      1. Henrietta Amalia (1697 - 1713)
      2. Magdalene Sibylle (1700 - 1784)
      3. Louise (1702 - 1771)
      4. Christian (1705 -1706)
      5. Amalia Sophia (1707 - 1771)
      6. Christian (1711 - 1775)
    2. Christian (1674 - 1692)
    3. Charles (1676 - 1732) m. Hedvig Sophia of Sweden
      1. Ulrika Eleanora (1700 - 1715)
      2. Charles Frederick (1703)
    4. Sophie Louise (1681 - 1684)
  3. James (1654)
  4. Henry, Duke of Cambridge (1655 - 1725) m. Benedicta Henrietta of the Palatinate (1652 - 1730)
    1. Anne Henrietta (1675 - 1704) m. William Cavendish, Duke of Devonshire
      1. Anne (1698 - 1720)
      2. William (1700 - 1784)
      3. Elizabeth (1703 - 1708)
    2. Edward, Duke of Grafton (1678 - 1702) m. Henrietta Churchill
      1. Henrietta (1700 - 1711)
      2. John***(1703 - 1750)
    3. Charles, Duke of Lennox (1681 - 1731) m. Henrietta Stanley
      1. Henrietta (1707 - 1731)
      2. Charles (1711 - 1742)
    4. Henry, Duke of Clarence (1684 - 1693)
    5. Louise (1686 - 1757) m. Henry Somerset, Duke of Beaufort
      1. Benedicta (1703 - 1780)
      2. Rebecca (1704 - 1750)
      3. Louise (1707 - 1788)
      4. Anne (1709 - 1714)
      5. Elizabeth (1712 - 1794)
    6. Benedicta (1690 - 1751) m. James Hamilton, Duke of Abercorn
      1. Benedicta (1712 - 1793)
      2. James (1714 - 1725)
      3. Elizabeth (1716 - 1731)
      4. Stillborn son (1719)
      5. Louise (1721 -1727)
      6. Henry (1723 - 1731)
      7. Charles (1726 - 1805)
      8. Stillborn daughter (1730)
  5. Mary Louise (1657 - 1659)
  6. Elizabeth (1661 - 1704) m. Frederick I of Prussia** (1657-1713)
    1. Amalia (1680 - 1718) m. Frederick of Hesse Kassel
      1. Charles (1705 - 1765)
      2. Frederick (1707)
      3. William (1707 - 1710)
      4. Henry (1710)
      5. Maria Amalia (1711)
      6. Frederick William (1715 - 1726)
      7. Elizabeth (1715 - 1729)
      8. Henry Frederick (1718 - 1802)
    2. Albertine Agnes (1682 - 1687)
    3. Frederick (1684 - 1696)
    4. Charles (1686 - 1690)
    5. Louise Henriette (1688 - 1694)
    6. Frederick Henry (1690 - 1695)
    7. Frederick William (1693- 1710)
    8. Elizabeth (1697 - 1742) m. Christian Ludwig II of Mecklenburg
      1. Frederick (1717 - 1773)
      2. Ulrike Sophie (1718 - 1724)
      3. Louise (1719 - 1783)
      4. Elizabeth (1722 - 1795)
      5. Louis (1727 - 1812)
      6. Amalie (1728 - 1801)
      7. Christian (1731 - 1767)
      8. Charles (1733 - 1738)
    9. Frederica (1698 - 1751) m. Frederick Louis, Duke of Wurttemberg
      1. Eberhard Frederick (1718)
      2. Frederick Louis (1720 - 1742)
      3. Johanna Elisabeth (1723 - 1769)
      4. Wilhelm Eberhard (1723 - 1807)
      5. Frederica Elizabeth (1726 - 1731)
      6. Louise Elizabeth (1727 - 1735)
    10. Charles Frederick (1700 - 1729) m. Magdalene Sibylle of Denmark
      1. Frederick William (1719 - 1781)
      2. Louise Henrietta (1722 - 1729)
      3. Charles Christian (1724 - 1802)
      4. Elizabeth Amalia (1728 - 1731)
  7. William, Duke of Gloucester (1665 - 1700) m. a)Lady Elizabeth Percy (1667 -1682), b) Diana de Vere (1679 - 1742)
    1. Elizabeth (1682 - 1698)
    2. Charles, Duke of Kendal (1695 - 1719) m. Elizabeth Compton
      1. Robert (1717 - 1741)
    3. stillborn son (1700)
*Peter II of Portugal born as a girl
** Son of Frederick Wilhelm of Brandenburg and Albertine Agnes of Nassau
***Born Posthumously
 

Kellan Sullivan

WillVictoria said:
Understandable, but I had trouble finding anyone high ranking enough near in age to her. At worst you could sell it as a love match. If you have a better candidate I'd be happy to change it
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Either Johann Georg IV of Saxony or his brother; a second wife for Maximilian II of Bavaria; a first wife for Joseph I, sure there's the age gap, but since by marrying Benedikte Henriëtte of the Palatinate into Britain, you've butterflied his OTL wife, why not; Johann Wilhelm, Elector Palatine;

Also, why is Charles IV waiting 20 years for a bride to be born? Karoline of Ansbach would do better either as his second wife (provided he has no kids by wife no.1) or as the wife for his eldest son (there'd be a bit of an age gap, again, but nothing necessarily insurmountable)
 
Valena

Valena

Surviving Stuarts are NOT Hanovers, and they would not restrict their marriage pool to either insignificant Protestant Germans not even of Electoral rank or domestic marriages. Allied Catholics are a go, and yet the only things I see are Portuguese match and a French second cousin.
 

WillVictoria

WillVictoria said:
WI Charles II married Louise Henrietta of Nassau in exile

Charles II (b.1630 r.1660 d.1685) m. Louisa Henrietta (b.1627 m. 1646 d. 1667)
  1. Charles III (1648 - 1700) m. Luisa of Braganza* (1648 - 1706)
    1. Charles IV (1669 - 1730) m. Dorothea Sophia of Neuberg
      1. Charles (1691 - 1759)
      2. Philip, Duke of Clarence (1694 - 1738)
      3. James, Duke of Cleveland (1695 - 1700)
      4. William, Duke of St.Albans (1696 - 1734)
      5. Louise (1699 - 1715)
      6. Elizabeth (1699 - 1709)
      7. Dorothea (1702 - 1705)
      8. Amelia (1707 - 1753)
    2. John, Duke of Kendal (1671 - 1685)
    3. Henry, Duke of Clarence (1672 - 1682)
    4. James, Duke of Cleveland (1672 - 1687)
    5. Louise, Princess Royal (1675 - 1760) m. Gian Gastone, Grand Duke of Tuscany
      1. Cosimo (1697 - 1713)
      2. Louise (1698 - 1779)
      3. Margherita (1702 - 1703)
      4. Anna Maria (1707 - 1745)
      5. Henrietta (1711 - 1718)
      6. Gian Gastone (1714 - 1756)
    6. William, Duke of Southampton (1678 - 1756) m. Marie Anne de Bourbon
      1. Louise Henriette (1710 - 1765)
      2. Anne Marie (1715 - 1771)
      3. Therese Charlotte (1719 -1731)
      4. William Charles, Duke of Bedford (1722 - 1788)
      5. Henry Jules, Duke of Edinburgh (1725 - 1733)
    7. Frederick, Duke of Richmond (1678 - 1721) m. Elizabeth Charlotte of Orleans
      1. Elisabeth Charlotte (1699 - 1770)
      2. Louise Christine (1701 - 1724)
      3. Charles Philip, Duke of Sutherland (1703 - 1723)
      4. Stillborn son (1704)
      5. Henrietta Marie (1707 - 1763)
      6. Catherine Amelia (1709 - 1758)
      7. Rupert Frederick (1712 - 1794)
      8. Mary Anne (1716 - 1737)
    8. Henrietta (1681 - 1689)
    9. Theodore, Duke of St.Albans (1684 - 1693)
    10. Catherine (1685 - 1720) m. George II of Hannover
      1. Frederick (1709 - 1771)
      2. Louise (1711 -1724)
      3. George Charles (1712 -1718)
      4. William (1715)
      5. Charles (1719 - 1769)
  2. Henrietta Amalia, Princess Royal (1651 - 1681) m. Christian V of Denmark (1646 - 1699)
    1. Frederick IV (1671 - 1722) m. Louise of Mecklenburg Gustrow
      1. Henrietta Amalia (1697 - 1713)
      2. Magdalene Sibylle (1700 - 1784)
      3. Louise (1702 - 1771)
      4. Christian (1705 -1706)
      5. Amalia Sophia (1707 - 1771)
      6. Christian (1711 - 1775)
    2. Christian (1674 - 1692)
    3. Charles (1676 - 1732) m. Hedvig Sophia of Sweden
      1. Ulrika Eleanora (1700 - 1715)
      2. Charles Frederick (1703)
    4. Sophie Louise (1681 - 1684)
  3. James (1654)
  4. Henry, Duke of Cambridge (1655 - 1725) m. Benedicta Henrietta of the Palatinate (1652 - 1730)
    1. Anne Henrietta (1675 - 1704) m. William Cavendish, Duke of Devonshire
      1. Anne (1698 - 1720)
      2. William (1700 - 1784)
      3. Elizabeth (1703 - 1708)
    2. Edward, Duke of Grafton (1678 - 1702) m. Henrietta Churchill
      1. Henrietta (1700 - 1711)
      2. John***(1703 - 1750)
    3. Charles, Duke of Lennox (1681 - 1731) m. Henrietta Stanley
      1. Henrietta (1707 - 1731)
      2. Charles (1711 - 1742)
    4. Henry, Duke of Clarence (1684 - 1693)
    5. Louise (1686 - 1757) m. Henry Somerset, Duke of Beaufort
      1. Benedicta (1703 - 1780)
      2. Rebecca (1704 - 1750)
      3. Louise (1707 - 1788)
      4. Anne (1709 - 1714)
      5. Elizabeth (1712 - 1794)
    6. Benedicta (1690 - 1751) m. James Hamilton, Duke of Abercorn
      1. Benedicta (1712 - 1793)
      2. James (1714 - 1725)
      3. Elizabeth (1716 - 1731)
      4. Stillborn son (1719)
      5. Louise (1721 -1727)
      6. Henry (1723 - 1731)
      7. Charles (1726 - 1805)
      8. Stillborn daughter (1730)
  5. Mary Louise (1657 - 1659)
  6. Elizabeth (1661 - 1704) m. Frederick I of Prussia** (1657-1713)
    1. Amalia (1680 - 1718) m. Frederick of Hesse Kassel
      1. Charles (1705 - 1765)
      2. Frederick (1707)
      3. William (1707 - 1710)
      4. Henry (1710)
      5. Maria Amalia (1711)
      6. Frederick William (1715 - 1726)
      7. Elizabeth (1715 - 1729)
      8. Henry Frederick (1718 - 1802)
    2. Albertine Agnes (1682 - 1687)
    3. Frederick (1684 - 1696)
    4. Charles (1686 - 1690)
    5. Louise Henriette (1688 - 1694)
    6. Frederick Henry (1690 - 1695)
    7. Frederick William (1693- 1710)
    8. Elizabeth (1697 - 1742) m. Christian Ludwig II of Mecklenburg
      1. Frederick (1717 - 1773)
      2. Ulrike Sophie (1718 - 1724)
      3. Louise (1719 - 1783)
      4. Elizabeth (1722 - 1795)
      5. Louis (1727 - 1812)
      6. Amalie (1728 - 1801)
      7. Christian (1731 - 1767)
      8. Charles (1733 - 1738)
    9. Frederica (1698 - 1751) m. Frederick Louis, Duke of Wurttemberg
      1. Eberhard Frederick (1718)
      2. Frederick Louis (1720 - 1742)
      3. Johanna Elisabeth (1723 - 1769)
      4. Wilhelm Eberhard (1723 - 1807)
      5. Frederica Elizabeth (1726 - 1731)
      6. Louise Elizabeth (1727 - 1735)
    10. Charles Frederick (1700 - 1729) m. Magdalene Sibylle of Denmark
      1. Frederick William (1719 - 1781)
      2. Louise Henrietta (1722 - 1729)
      3. Charles Christian (1724 - 1802)
      4. Elizabeth Amalia (1728 - 1731)
  7. William, Duke of Gloucester (1665 - 1700) m. a)Lady Elizabeth Percy (1667 -1682), b) Diana de Vere (1679 - 1742)
    1. Elizabeth (1682 - 1698)
    2. Charles, Duke of Kendal (1695 - 1719) m. Elizabeth Compton
      1. Robert (1717 - 1741)
    3. stillborn son (1700)
*Peter II of Portugal born as a girl
** Son of Frederick Wilhelm of Brandenburg and Albertine Agnes of Nassau
***Born Posthumously
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@Valena @Kellan Sullivan , does this look better?
 
Valena

Valena

Elisabeth Charlotte of Orleans (an OTL Duchess of Lorraine one, I think) is not going to marry 4th (or something) son - she refused a match with a second. And having a Conde princess (I think Marie Anne de Bourbon is OTL Mlle de Bourbon) marrying higher than her would be scandalously stupid.

A Tuscany match is a good one.
 

WillVictoria

WI Charles II married Louise Henrietta of Nassau in exile

Charles II (b.1630 r.1660 d.1685) m. Louisa Henrietta (b.1627 m. 1646 d. 1667)
  1. Charles III (1648 - 1700) m. Luisa of Braganza* (1648 - 1706)
    1. Charles IV (1669 - 1730) m. Dorothea Sophia of Neuberg
      1. Charles (1691 - 1759)
      2. Philip, Duke of Clarence (1694 - 1738)
      3. James, Duke of Cleveland (1695 - 1700)
      4. William, Duke of St.Albans (1696 - 1734)
      5. Louise (1699 - 1715)
      6. Elizabeth (1699 - 1709)
      7. Dorothea (1702 - 1705)
      8. Amelia (1707 - 1753)
    2. John, Duke of Kendal (1671 - 1685)
    3. Henry, Duke of Clarence (1672 - 1682)
    4. James, Duke of Cleveland (1672 - 1687)
    5. Louise, Princess Royal (1675 - 1760) m. Gian Gastone, Grand Duke of Tuscany
      1. Cosimo (1697 - 1713)
      2. Louise (1698 - 1779)
      3. Margherita (1702 - 1703)
      4. Anna Maria (1707 - 1745)
      5. Henrietta (1711 - 1718)
      6. Gian Gastone (1714 - 1756)
    6. William, Duke of Southampton (1678 - 1756) m. Marie Anne de Bourbon
      1. Louise Henriette (1710 - 1765)
      2. Anne Marie (1715 - 1771)
      3. Therese Charlotte (1719 -1731)
      4. William Charles, Duke of Bedford (1722 - 1788)
      5. Henry Jules, Duke of Edinburgh (1725 - 1733)
    7. Frederick, Duke of Richmond (1678 - 1721) m. Charlotte of Lorraine
      1. Charlotte (1699 - 1770)
      2. Louise (1701 - 1724)
      3. Charles Louis, Duke of Sutherland (1703 - 1723)
      4. Stillborn son (1704)
      5. Catherine Marie (1707 - 1763)
      6. Henriette Amelia (1709 - 1758)
      7. Louis Frederick (1712 - 1794)
      8. Mary Anne (1716 - 1737)
    8. Henrietta (1681 - 1689)
    9. Theodore, Duke of St.Albans (1684 - 1693)
    10. Catherine (1685 - 1720) m. George II of Hannover
      1. Frederick (1709 - 1771)
      2. Louise (1711 -1724)
      3. George Charles (1712 -1718)
      4. William (1715)
      5. Charles (1719 - 1769)
  2. Henrietta Amalia, Princess Royal (1651 - 1681) m. Christian V of Denmark (1646 - 1699)
    1. Frederick IV (1671 - 1722) m. Louise of Mecklenburg Gustrow
      1. Henrietta Amalia (1697 - 1713)
      2. Magdalene Sibylle (1700 - 1784)
      3. Louise (1702 - 1771)
      4. Christian (1705 -1706)
      5. Amalia Sophia (1707 - 1771)
      6. Christian (1711 - 1775)
    2. Christian (1674 - 1692)
    3. Charles (1676 - 1732) m. Hedvig Sophia of Sweden
      1. Ulrika Eleanora (1700 - 1715)
      2. Charles Frederick (1703)
    4. Sophie Louise (1681 - 1684)
  3. James (1654)
  4. Henry, Duke of Cambridge (1655 - 1725) m. Benedicta Henrietta of the Palatinate (1652 - 1730)
    1. Anne Henrietta (1675 - 1704) m. William Cavendish, Duke of Devonshire
      1. Anne (1698 - 1720)
      2. William (1700 - 1784)
      3. Elizabeth (1703 - 1708)
    2. Edward, Duke of Grafton (1678 - 1702) m. Henrietta Churchill
      1. Henrietta (1700 - 1711)
      2. John***(1703 - 1750)
    3. Charles, Duke of Lennox (1681 - 1731) m. Henrietta Stanley
      1. Henrietta (1707 - 1731)
      2. Charles (1711 - 1742)
    4. Henry, Duke of Clarence (1684 - 1693)
    5. Louise (1686 - 1757) m. Henry Somerset, Duke of Beaufort
      1. Benedicta (1703 - 1780)
      2. Rebecca (1704 - 1750)
      3. Louise (1707 - 1788)
      4. Anne (1709 - 1714)
      5. Elizabeth (1712 - 1794)
    6. Benedicta (1690 - 1751) m. James Hamilton, Duke of Abercorn
      1. Benedicta (1712 - 1793)
      2. James (1714 - 1725)
      3. Elizabeth (1716 - 1731)
      4. Stillborn son (1719)
      5. Louise (1721 -1727)
      6. Henry (1723 - 1731)
      7. Charles (1726 - 1805)
      8. Stillborn daughter (1730)
  5. Mary Louise (1657 - 1659)
  6. Elizabeth (1661 - 1704) m. Frederick I of Prussia** (1657-1713)
    1. Amalia (1680 - 1718) m. Frederick of Hesse Kassel
      1. Charles (1705 - 1765)
      2. Frederick (1707)
      3. William (1707 - 1710)
      4. Henry (1710)
      5. Maria Amalia (1711)
      6. Frederick William (1715 - 1726)
      7. Elizabeth (1715 - 1729)
      8. Henry Frederick (1718 - 1802)
    2. Albertine Agnes (1682 - 1687)
    3. Frederick (1684 - 1696)
    4. Charles (1686 - 1690)
    5. Louise Henriette (1688 - 1694)
    6. Frederick Henry (1690 - 1695)
    7. Frederick William (1693- 1710)
    8. Elizabeth (1697 - 1742) m. Christian Ludwig II of Mecklenburg
      1. Frederick (1717 - 1773)
      2. Ulrike Sophie (1718 - 1724)
      3. Louise (1719 - 1783)
      4. Elizabeth (1722 - 1795)
      5. Louis (1727 - 1812)
      6. Amalie (1728 - 1801)
      7. Christian (1731 - 1767)
      8. Charles (1733 - 1738)
    9. Frederica (1698 - 1751) m. Frederick Louis, Duke of Wurttemberg
      1. Eberhard Frederick (1718)
      2. Frederick Louis (1720 - 1742)
      3. Johanna Elisabeth (1723 - 1769)
      4. Wilhelm Eberhard (1723 - 1807)
      5. Frederica Elizabeth (1726 - 1731)
      6. Louise Elizabeth (1727 - 1735)
    10. Charles Frederick (1700 - 1729) m. Magdalene Sibylle of Denmark
      1. Frederick William (1719 - 1781)
      2. Louise Henrietta (1722 - 1729)
      3. Charles Christian (1724 - 1802)
      4. Elizabeth Amalia (1728 - 1731)
  7. William, Duke of Gloucester (1665 - 1700) m. a)Lady Elizabeth Percy (1667 -1682), b) Diana de Vere (1679 - 1742)
    1. Elizabeth (1682 - 1698)
    2. Charles, Duke of Kendal (1695 - 1719) m. Elizabeth Compton
      1. Robert (1717 - 1741)
    3. stillborn son (1700)
*Peter II of Portugal born as a girl
** Son of Frederick Wilhelm of Brandenburg and Albertine Agnes of Nassau
***Born Posthumously

@Valena , I replaced Elisabeth Charlotte with Charlotte of Lorraine, will that work better?
 

Jan Olbracht

Sigismund the Old married Catherine of Mecklenburg (like it was planned IOTL), which could have interesting consequences with her Protestant leanings.

Zygmunt I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania 1506-1548, King of Poland 1507-1548 m. 1509 Katharina of Mecklenburg (1487-1562)

1) Zygmunt II (1511-1571) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548-1571 m. 1543 Elisabeth of Austria (1526-1568)

2) Jadwiga (1513-1524)

3) Zofia (1515-1579) m. 1534 Joachim II (1505-1571) Elector of Brandenburg

4) Olbracht (1516)

5) Anna (1518-1543) m. 1536 Ludwig X (1495-1545) Duke of Bavaria-Landshut

6) Elżbieta (1520-1522)

7) Barbara (1521-1582)
 
Jonathan

Jonathan

WI Elizabeth of York was born male.

Edward IV of England (28/2/1442–9/4/1483) m. 1464, Elizabeth Woodville (c. 1437–8/7/1492)
1) Edward V of England (11/2/1466–6/11/1513) m. 1590, a) Isabella, Princess of Asturias (2/10/1470–23/8/1491) b) 1492, Anne of Brittany (25/1/1477– 9/1/1514)
1a) Edward, Prince of Wales (23/8/1491-19/7/1493) Died 1 year, 329 days after his mother.
2b) Richard III of England (11/10/1492–16/12/1544) m. 1508, Marguerite of Angoulême (11/4/1492-21/12/1549) Marriage was arranged between his father Edward V, his step mother, Anne of Brittany, his aunt Mary, Mary’s husband Charles VIII and Louise of Savoy, the mother of the bride.
1) Edward VI of England (15/3/1510-22/4/1553) m. 1527,
2) Prince Richard of York (10/04/1514-5/1/1555)
3) Princess Elizabeth (04/04/1515-26/05/1515)
4) Princess Elizabeth (26/09/1516-3/12/1547)
5) Princess Mary (07/02/1521-02/08/1521)
6) Prince Charles (04/10/1522-31/3/1570)
7) Princess Mary (28/02/1523-13/04/1527)
8) Princess Margaret (14/10/1525-15/1/1566)
9) Princess Louise (16/11/1528–9/7/1572)
10) Prince Francis (7/7/1530-25/12/1530)​
3b) Edward, Duke of Cornwall (16/8/1493)
4b) Stillborn daughter (25/3/1494)
5b) Stillborn daughter (2/4/1495).
6b) Edward, Duke of Cornwall (8/9/1496–2/10/1496)
7b) Francis, Duke of Cornwall (20/7/1497) Died several hours after his birth.
8b) Anne of England (20/3/1498) She died in the evening of her birth.
9b) Anne of England (13/10/1499–20/7/1524) m. 1516, John II of Denmark and Norway, III of Sweden (20/6/1501-17/11/1569)
Issues see below ​
10b) Miscarriage (2/9/1500)
11b) Stillborn son (21/1/1502)
12b) Miscarriage (1/12/1503)
13b) Miscarriage (30/6/1505)
14b) Miscarriage (24/5/1508)
15b) Miscarriage (27/11/1509)
16b) Elizabeth of England (25/10/1510–12/6/1574) m. 1526, Edward I of Scotland (14/4/1502-9/3/1565)
Issues see below​
17b) Stillborn son (7/1/1512)​
2) Elizabeth of York (11/8/1467–23/5/1482) Died aged 14
3) Mary of York, later Maria, Queen of France (20/3/1469–24/8/1507) m. 1486, Charles "the Affable" VIII of France (30/6/1470-7/4/1498)
1) Anne of France (23/7/1489–27/12/1498) Died aged 9 years old.
2) Joan of France (20/2/1491–25/1/1499) Died aged 8 years old.
3) Charles "the Red" IX of France (19/4/1493-1/9/1545) m. 1512, Antoinette de Bourbon (25/12/1494–22/1/1583)
1) Marie of France (22/11/1515–11/6/1560)
2) Charles X (17/2/1519–24/2/1578)
3) Joan of France (10/1/1520–18/10/1542)
4) Antoinette of France (2/9/1522–3/4/1602) m.
5) Edward, Duke of (17/2/1524–26/12/1574)
6) Louis, Duke of Berry (18/8/1526–3/3/1573)
7) Francis, Duke of Auvergne (21/10/1527–29/3/1578)
8) Prince Henry (3/9/1529–24/9/1529) Died 21 days old
9) Prince John (3/4/1530) Died within hours.
10) Elizabeth of France (31/8/1531–6/3/1561)
11) Hugh, Duke of Bourbon (18/4/1534–3/6/1563)​
4) Charlotte of France (24/8/1496-15/6/1559) m. 1513, Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (16/2/1496-26/3/15)
Issues see below​
4) Richard, Duke of York, later Duke of Norfolk (these are forfeit when he became, Co-King of Navarre (2/11/1470–14/8/1533) m. a) 1478, Anne de Mowbray, 8th Countess of Norfolk, later Duchess of York and Duchess of Norfolk (10/12/1472–18/ November 1481), b) 1483, Catherine, Queen of Navarre (3/6/1468–12/2/1517)
1b) Anne of Navarre (19/5/1492–15/8/1532) m.
2b) Margaret of Navarre (29/3/1494–11/5/1504) Died aged 10.
3b) Catherine of Navarre (5/9/1495–15/10/1532) m. Francis d'Orléans, Count of Angoulême (12/9/1494–31/3/1547)
4b) Princess Elizabeth (15/6/1496–15/11/1496) Died aged 5 months.
5b) Princess Elizabeth of Navarre (3/2/1499–16/10/1536) m.
6b) Stillborn son (17/6/1500)
7b) Prince John (14/10/1501–17/4/1504) Died 2 and a half years old.
8b) Charles V of Navarre (18/4/1503–25/5/1555) m.
9b) Princess Eleanor (14/7/1505 – 5/9/1512) Died aged 7 years old, during the sweating sickness epidemic.
10b) Prince Richard (11/5/1506–5/9/1512) Died aged 6 years old, , during the sweating sickness epidemic.
11b) Prince Edward (9/11/1508–3/9/1512) Died aged 4 years old, , during the sweating sickness epidemic.
12b) Prince Philip of Navarre, Cardinal, Bishop of Pamplona (12/12/1510-16/9/1565)
13b) Princess Mary of Navarre (15/1/1514–16/1/1555) m.​
5) Cecily of York (10/4/1472–11/12/1472) Died 8 months old.
6) George, Duke of Bedford, his title is forfeited when he became, Co-King of Castile, Aragon and León (17/8/1473–21/12/1539) m. 1496, Joanna, Queen of Castile, Aragon and León (6/11/1479–12/4/1555)
1) Princess Eleanor (15/11/1498-25/2/1558)
2) Ferdinand III (24/2/1500-21/9/1558)
3) Princess Isabella (18/7/1501-19/1/1526)
4) Prince Duarte (10/3/1503-25/7/1564)
5) Princess Mary (18/9/1505-18/10/1558)
6) Princess Catherine (14/1/1507-12/2/1578) m. 1525, John III of Portugal (7/6/1502–11/6/1557)
1) Afonso (24/2/1526 March 1526
2) Infanta Maria Manuela (15/10/1527/12/8/1545) m. 1543,
3) Infanta Isabel (28/4/1529 -2/8/1573)
4) Infanta Beatrice (15/2/1530-5/1/1602)
5) Prince Manuel (1/11/1531 -14/4/1573)
6) Prince George, (25/5/1533-29/4/1592)
7) Prince Manuel (6/4/1535-1/1/1538)
8) Prince John, (3/7/1537-2/1/1554)​
7) Margaret of York (2/11/1475–23/11/1511) m. 1495, Philip IV, Duke of Burgundy (22/7/1478–25/9/1506)
1) Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (16/2/1496-26/3/15) m. 1513, Charlotte of France (24/8/1496-15/6/1559)
2) Mary
3) Philip V, Duke of Burgundy​
8) William, Earl of Rutland (4/3/1477–25/3/1479) Died three weeks after 2nd Birthday.
9) Anne of York (14/8/1479–15/11/1527) m. 1500, James IV of Scotland (17/3/1473–9/9/1513)
1) James, Duke of Rothesay and Albany (7/6/1501-27/2/1504) Died shy of his third birthday.
2) Edward I of Scotland (14/4/1502-9/3/1565) m. a) 1515, Isabella of Austria (18/7/1501–19/1/1526) b) 1526, Elizabeth of England (25/10/1510–12/6/1574)
1a) James, Duke of Rothesay and Albany (21/2/1518-11/5/1532) Died aged 14.
2a) Prince Edward (4/7/1519)
3a) Prince Philip (4/7/1519)
*twin brothers, died in childbirth, named after his father and maternal grandfather.
4a) Princess Margaret (10/11/1520 -31/5/1580)
5a) Princess Christina (8/11/1521-10/12/1590)
6a) Prince Robert (9/1/1523) died in childbirth
7a) Prince Alexander (29/12/1525) died in childbirth, which would claim his mothers life.
8b) Princess Anne (16/11/1529–23/12/1605)
9b) Edward II of Scotland (22/11/1531-1/3/1596)
10b) Princess Renee (16/12/1535–10/6/1598)
11b) Princess Mary (16/7/1537-19/10/1581)
12b) James, Duke of Mar (21/12/1538–14/1/1586)​
3) Princess Margaret (6/6/1503-20/2/1549)
4) Princess Elizabeth (5/11/1505-11/11/1551)
5) James, Duke of Ross (14/9/1507-1/11/1519) Died aged 12 years.​
10) Catherine of York (10/11/1480–2/7/1517) m. 1500, Christian II of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (1/7/1481–25/1/1559)
1) John II of Denmark and Norway, III of Sweden (20/6/1501-17/11/1569) m. 1516, Anne of England (13/10/1499–20/7/1524)
1) Christian III of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (151:cool:​
2) Prince Edward, (7/4/1503-16/11/1578)
3) Princess Dorothea (10/11/1506-31/5/1566) m. 1535,
4) Princess Christine (9/11/1511-10/12/1580)
5) Princess Elizabeth (26/12/1515-25/4/1588)​
 
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Jonathan said:
WI Elizabeth of York was born male.

Edward IV of England (28/2/1442–9/4/1483) m. 1464, Elizabeth Woodville (c. 1437–8/7/1492)
1) Edward V of England (11/2/1466–6/11/1513) m. Margarete of Saxony (4/8/1469-7/12/1528)
1) Princess Elizabeth (15/9/1492-2/4/1495) Died in her 2 year.
2) Princess Margaret (17/11/1494–11/5/1572) m.
3) Edward VI of England (24/8/1495–11/12/1549) m.
4) William, (27/6/1497–
11/1/1546),
5) Elizabeth (11/9/1499–2/4/1571)
6) Anna (3/9/1502–4/7/1568)
7) Ernest (23/11/1508–10/12/1549)​
2) Elizabeth of York (11/8/1467–23/5/1482) Died aged 14
3) Mary of York (20/3/1469–24/8/1507) m. 1486, Henry Tudor, 2nd Earl of Richmond (28/1/1457–21/4/1509)
1) Margaret Tudor (23/7/1489–27/12/1498)
2) Elizabeth Tudor (20/2/1491–25/1/1499)
3) Henry Tudor, 3rd Earl of Richmond (19/4/1493-1/9/1545)
4) Mary Tudor (24/8/1507)​
4) Richard, Duke of York (2/11/1470–14/8/1533) m. Margaret Plantagenet (14/8/1473–27/5/1555)
1) Edward, Duke of York (2/6/1492–8/11/1551)
2) George, Duke of Clarence (29/5/149:cool:
3) Cardinal Richard, Archbishop of York(12/3/1500–17/11/1558)
4) John, Duke of Warwick (17/10/1502–18/12/1558)
5) Elizabeth (30/4/1504–12/8/1570) m.​
5) Cecily of York (10/4/1472–11/12/1472) Died 8 months old.
6) George, Duke of Bedford (17/8/1473–21/12/1539) m.
7) Margaret of York (2/11/1475–23/11/1511) m. 1500, James IV of Scotland (17/3/1473–9/9/1513)
1) James, Duke of Rothesay and Albany (7/6/1501-27/2/1504)
2) Edward I of Scotland (14/4/1502-9/3/1565) m.
3) Margaret (6/6/1503-
4) Elizabeth (5/11/1505-
5) James, Duke of Ross (14/9/1507-​
8) William, Earl of Rutland (4/3/1477–25/3/1479) Died three weeks after 2nd Birthday.
9) Anne of York (14/8/1479–15/11/1527) m. 1501, Thomas Berkeley, 9th Duke of Norfolk, 1st Earl of Nottingham and 5th Baron Berkeley (b. 1472-22/1/1532)
1) Edward Berkeley, 10th Duke of Norfolk, 2nd Earl of Nottingham and 6th Baron Berkeley (13/4/1503-18/8/1560)
2) Thomas, Baron Seagrave (5/3/1504-11/6/15
3) Isabel (31/8/1505-
4) Maurice, Bishop of Norwich (21/2/1507-4/10/1569)
5) Elizabeth (4/10/1509-​
10) Catherine of York (10/11/1480–2/7/1517) m. 1500, Christian II of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (1/7/1481–25/1/1559)
1)​
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You are right in that an adult heir means a straightforward succession - however on the matches - (bearing in mind otl Edward IV's ambitions for his children)

1) Mary of York (likely to have been Cecily in this situation) would not marry Tudor - he is a penniless exile and quite frankly wouldn't figure other than in the imagination of his devoted mother.
With her elder sister's death she will be Edward's choice for the French King's heir, the Scots heir will likely be her intended in the mid 70s alternating between him and the Duke of Albany. On her brother's accession she will also likely be a candidate for the widowed Maximilian I.
2) Margaret of Saxony is also rather a poor choice - there are alternatives of higher status - in the period 1483 to 1490 - if Edward is willing for a longish betrothal then the obvious is Anne of Brittany, there's also Margaret of Austria if Charles of France drops her for an alternative match, you have Joanna of Castile (or Isabella after her widowhood in 91) again if the King is willing to wait. He has two surviving brothers so a need for a direct heir is not urgent.
3) Richard Duke of York - will almost certainly still marry Anne de Mowbray the Norfolk heiress - it was a cheap way for Edward IV to endow his younger son without denuding the crown estates. If she dies as in otl - then he will likely be offered abroad a bit - his cousin is i think an unlikely choice (unless it was a runaway marriage for love) she has no dower to speak of apart from what the King allows her and in this tl her brother the Earl of Warwick is still alive (although penniless) and the bulk of their inheritance sits with the King and their uncle the Duke of Gloucester.
4) Margaret, Anne and Catherine of York will probably be intended for Philip of Burgundy, Juan of Asturias etc - the Danish match is a possible for one of them but its not unlikely these matches come off. The Berkeley's would be a no no - sorry Thomas was the nephew of the 1st and only Marquess Berkeley - (given to him when he surrendered his co-claims on the Mowbray estates to the King) his father was disowned by his uncle for marrying a commoner and the family were not very wealthy. In OTL the Marquess gave his estates to the King (Henry VII) to avoid them going to his brother's line. He wouldn't have succeeded as Duke of Norfolk either - the title was male line restricted and his uncle was a co-heir which meant the titles that can pass such as the Earldom of Norfolk and the baronies held by the Mowbray's would go into abeyance - and Howard was closer to Edward IV than Berkeley.
 

Jan Olbracht

Elizabeth of Lorraine, Electress of Bavaria, is not sterile

Elizabeth (1574-1635) m. 1595 Maximilian (1573-1651) Elector of Bavaria

1) William (1597-1649) m. a)1628 Maria Anna of Austria (1610-1638) b) 1642 Anna Catherine Constance Vasa (1619-1651)

1a) Maria Maximiliana (1631-1689) m. 1649 Charles II (1629-1665) Duke of Mantua

2a) Elizabeth Renata (1632-1693) m. 1650 Philip William (1615-1690) Duke of Neuburg

3a) Maximilian Ferdinand (1633-1665) Elector of Bavaria m. 1651 Maria Leopoldine of Austria-Tirol (1632-1684)

4a) Anna Maria (1636-1679) m. 1654 Ferdinand IV (1633-1681) Holy Roman Emperor

5a) William (1638)

6b) Sigismund IV (1644-1701) King of Poland 1672-1701 m. 1673 Eleanor of Austria (1653-1697)​

2) Charles (1600-1633)
 
Brita

Brita

Alexander III of Scotland doesn’t die in 1286 and has several children with Yolande of Dreux.

Alexander III of Scotland (1241-1299) m. a) Margaret of England (1240-1275) b) Yolande of Dreux (1269-1322)
1. a) Margaret of Scotland (1261-1283) m. Eric II of Norway (1268-1299)
Margaret, Maid of Norway (1283-1315)​
2. a) Alexander of Scotland (1264-1284) m. Margaret of Flanders (d.1331)
3. a) David of Scotland (1270-1281)
4. b) Alexander IV of Scotland (1286-1334) m. a) Blanche of France (1291-1319) b) Blanche of Brittany (1295-1362) *
1. a) Alexander V of Scotland (1309-1350)​
2. a) Isabella of Scotland (1312-1315)​
3. a) Robert I, Duke of Brittany (1319-1365) m. Joan I, Duchess of Brittany (1324-1384)​
4. b) Arthur of Scotland (1325-1326)​
5. b) John of Scotland (1327-1330)​
6. b) Beatrice of Scotland (1329-1332)​
7. b) Blanche of Scotland (1333-1375) m. Peter I of Castile (1334-1369)​
5. b) Yolande of Scotland (1288-1308) m. John III of Brittany (1286-1341)
6. b) Beatrice of Scotland (1292-1347), nun
7. b) David (1293-1293)
8. b) Robert of Scotland (1295-1360)
9. b) Mary of Scotland (1297-1301)

* Daughter of Arthur II of Brittany and his second wife Beatrice of Dreux, Yolande’s youngest sister. Arthur and Beatrice had only daughters.
 
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VVD0D95

Banned
Brita said:
Alexander III of Scotland doesn’t die in 1286 and has several children with Yolande of Dreux.

Alexander III of Scotland (1241-1299) m. a) Margaret of England (1240-1275) b) Yolande of Dreux (1269-1322)
1. a) Margaret of Scotland (1261-1283) m. Eric II of Norway (1268-1299)
Margaret, Maid of Norway (1383-1315)​
2. a) Alexander of Scotland (1264-1284) m. Margaret of Flanders (d.1331)
3. a) David of Scotland (1270-1281)
4. b) Alexander IV of Scotland (1286-1334) m. a) Blanche of France (1291-1319) b) Blanche of Brittany (1295-1362) *
1. a) Alexander V of Scotland (1309-1350)
2. a) Isabella of Scotland (1312-1315)
3. a) Robert I, Duke of Brittany (1319-1365) m. Joan I, Duchess of Brittany (1324-1384)
4. b) Arthur of Scotland (1325-1326)
5. b) John of Scotland (1327-1330)
6. b) Beatrice of Scotland (1329-1332)
7. b) Blanche of Scotland (1333-1375) m. Peter I of Castile (1334-1369)​
5. b) Yolande of Scotland (1288-1308) m. John III of Brittany (1286-1341)
6. b) Beatrice of Scotland (1292-1347), nun
7. b) David (1293-1293)
8. b) Robert of Scotland (1295-1360)
9. b) Mary of Scotland (1297-1301)

* Daughter of Arthur II of Brittany and his second wife Beatrice of Dreux, Yolande’s youngest sister. Arthur and Beatrice had only daughters.
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I might use this in the future if that’s cool?
 
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