List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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Claude can easily die after giving birth to Henry, she need to have the two boys for securing the inheritance of Brittany...
Madeleine and Margaret can easily be replaced by their ATL half-sisters (daughters of Francis and Mary). James V of Scotland would likely be more interested in marrying a daughter of his aunt Mary (who will reinforce his claim on England) than a daughter of Claude if he can not get his other cousin Mary of England...
Louise died before the ATL death of her mother so before the POD and marrying Charlotte would be pretty complicated...
(James V would likely favored a daughter of Francis by Mary over one by Claude and she would be too old for any of the candidates for Margaret)
Charlotte or Louise could be married to the Duke of Ferrara who ITTL married Renee IOTL.
Poor Charlotte, going from future Holy Roman Empress, Queen of Spain and Duchess of Burgundy to lowly Duchess of Ferrara
Charles IV d'Alençon has kids with Marguerite d'Angoulême
Charles IV (1489-1525) Duke of Alençon m. 1509 Margaret of Angoulême (1492-1549)
1) René (1511-1557) Duke of Alençon m. 1534 Mary of Guise (1515-1560)
2) Charles (1513-1517)
3) Anne (1515-1577) m. 1532 James V (1512-1542) King of Scotland
4) Charlotte (1517-1565) m. 1536 Francis I (1517-1545) Duke of Lorraine
5) Francoise (1519-1574) m. 1537 Boniface IV (1512-1549) Marquis of Montferrat
6) Francis (1522)
7) Louise (1525-1533)
Charles IV (1489-1525) Duke of Alençon m. 1509 Margaret of Angoulême (1492-1549)
1) René (1511-1557) Duke of Alençon m. 1534 Mary of Guise (1515-1560)
2) Charles (1513-1517)
3) Anne (1515-1577) m. 1532 James V (1512-1542) King of Scotland
4) Charlotte (1517-1565) m. 1536 Francis I (1517-1545) Duke of Lorraine
5) Francoise (1519-1574) m. 1537 Boniface IV (1512-1549) Marquis of Montferrat
6) Francis (1522)
7) Louise (1525-1533)
It should be either Charlotte or her aunt Renee are good bride for the King of Navarre in lieu of their relative Meg of Angouleme.
I think if Charlotte survives she can marry the King of Navarre herself.
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An updated list for a family tree for the Stuart’s in the event of a successful 45:
James III of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (b.1688: d.1758) m Maria Karolina Sobieska (b.1702:d.1735) m secondly Maria Antonia of Bavaria (b.1724)
Issuse:
A) Charles III (b.1720)
B) Henry, Duke of York and Albany (b.1725)
C) James, Duke of Cambridge (b.1747)- becomes a famous Admiral
D) Mary, Princess Royal (b.1749)
E) Robert, Duke of Cumberland (b.1753)- becomes a noted politician.
F) Amalia of Britain (b.1754)
G) Joseph, Duke of Gloucester and Kinntyre (b.1756)- tempted to have him be the one entered into the church-
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Charles III of the Kingdom of Great Britannia (b.1720:d.1788) m Henriette of France (b.1727: d. 1747) m secondly Anne Amalie of Prussia (b.1723)
Issue:
A) Stillborn girl (b.1747:d. 1747)
B) James IV (b.1748)
C) Mary, Princess Royal (b.1749)
D) Charles, Duke of Northumberland (b.1750)
E) Anne of Great Britain (b.1750)
F) Henry, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews (b.1757)
G) Amelia of Great Britain (b.1760)
James III of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (b.1688: d.1758) m Maria Karolina Sobieska (b.1702:d.1735) m secondly Maria Antonia of Bavaria (b.1724)
Issuse:
A) Charles III (b.1720)
B) Henry, Duke of York and Albany (b.1725)
C) James, Duke of Cambridge (b.1747)- becomes a famous Admiral
D) Mary, Princess Royal (b.1749)
E) Robert, Duke of Cumberland (b.1753)- becomes a noted politician.
F) Amalia of Britain (b.1754)
G) Joseph, Duke of Gloucester and Kinntyre (b.1756)- tempted to have him be the one entered into the church-
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Charles III of the Kingdom of Great Britannia (b.1720:d.1788) m Henriette of France (b.1727: d. 1747) m secondly Anne Amalie of Prussia (b.1723)
Issue:
A) Stillborn girl (b.1747:d. 1747)
B) James IV (b.1748)
C) Mary, Princess Royal (b.1749)
D) Charles, Duke of Northumberland (b.1750)
E) Anne of Great Britain (b.1750)
F) Henry, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews (b.1757)
G) Amelia of Great Britain (b.1760)
Claude of France m. Francis I of France(a)
1a. Louise b. 1515 d. 1517
2a. Charlotte b. 1516 m. Henry II of Navarre
3a. Francis II of France b. 1518 m. Maria of Viseu
4a. Henry of Orleans and Auvergne b. 1519 m. Catherine of Medici
5a. Madeleine b. 1520 d. 1537 m. James V of Scotland
6a. Charles b. 1522 m. Mary Tudor
7a. Margaret b. 1523 m. Emmanuel Philbert of Savoy
1a. Louise b. 1515 d. 1517
2a. Charlotte b. 1516 m. Henry II of Navarre
3a. Francis II of France b. 1518 m. Maria of Viseu
4a. Henry of Orleans and Auvergne b. 1519 m. Catherine of Medici
5a. Madeleine b. 1520 d. 1537 m. James V of Scotland
6a. Charles b. 1522 m. Mary Tudor
7a. Margaret b. 1523 m. Emmanuel Philbert of Savoy
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Anne of Brittany dies in 1500. Louis XII remarries to Catherine of Aragon
Catherine of Aragon (1485-1542) m. 1501 Louis XII (1462-1515) King of France
1) Isabella (1503-1555) m. 1518 Michael I (1498-1535) King of Spain*
2) Joanna (1505)
3) Louis (1506-1509)
4) Charles IX (1508-1563) King of France 1515-1563 m. 1525 Catherine of Austria (1507-1578)
5) Mary (1510-1519)
6) Renée (1512-1574) m. 1531 James V (1512-1555) King of Scotland
7) Louise (1515-1548) m. 1533 Henry IX (1516-1577) King of England**
* Surviving Miguel da Paz
** Son of Henry VIII and Eleanor of Austria
Catherine of Aragon (1485-1542) m. 1501 Louis XII (1462-1515) King of France
1) Isabella (1503-1555) m. 1518 Michael I (1498-1535) King of Spain*
2) Joanna (1505)
3) Louis (1506-1509)
4) Charles IX (1508-1563) King of France 1515-1563 m. 1525 Catherine of Austria (1507-1578)
5) Mary (1510-1519)
6) Renée (1512-1574) m. 1531 James V (1512-1555) King of Scotland
7) Louise (1515-1548) m. 1533 Henry IX (1516-1577) King of England**
* Surviving Miguel da Paz
** Son of Henry VIII and Eleanor of Austria
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Juan Trastamara, Prince of Asturias, lives few months longer. Thus his wife Margaret of Austria suffers less stress and gives birth to healthy daughter, who is heiress of Castile and Aragon. Isabel II marries her Portuguese cousin João III Aviz and unification of Iberia is complete.
Isabella II of Castile (1498-1557) m. 1516 John III of Portugal (1502-1557)
1) Margaret (1520-1582) m. 1536 Francis II (1518-1549) King of France
2) Ferdinand (1522-1526)
3) John IV (1523-1576) King of Spain 1557-1576 m. 1538 Margaret of France (1523-1574)
4) Manuel (1525-1528)
5) Alfonso (1526-1544)
6) Beatrice (1528)
7) Catherine (1531-1598) m. 1547 Henry X (1529-1601) King of England*
*ITTL Joanna the Mad and Philip of Austria are not going to inherit Castilian throne, thus Henry VII is not in favour of marriage of his heir with Eleanor of Austria and allows future Henry VIII to marry Catherine of Aragon just after Henry's 14th birthsday. Their oldest son Henry IX, born in 1508, married Catherine of Austria, youngest daughter of Joanna the Mad and Philip of Austria born in 1507. Henry X is son of that couple.
Isabella II of Castile (1498-1557) m. 1516 John III of Portugal (1502-1557)
1) Margaret (1520-1582) m. 1536 Francis II (1518-1549) King of France
2) Ferdinand (1522-1526)
3) John IV (1523-1576) King of Spain 1557-1576 m. 1538 Margaret of France (1523-1574)
4) Manuel (1525-1528)
5) Alfonso (1526-1544)
6) Beatrice (1528)
7) Catherine (1531-1598) m. 1547 Henry X (1529-1601) King of England*
*ITTL Joanna the Mad and Philip of Austria are not going to inherit Castilian throne, thus Henry VII is not in favour of marriage of his heir with Eleanor of Austria and allows future Henry VIII to marry Catherine of Aragon just after Henry's 14th birthsday. Their oldest son Henry IX, born in 1508, married Catherine of Austria, youngest daughter of Joanna the Mad and Philip of Austria born in 1507. Henry X is son of that couple.
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Jan I doubt Catherine here will be the youngest daughter of Philip and Joanna (and is likely who she will be called with another name, something guaranteed for Maximilian). Plus if Henry VIII has children by Catherine of Aragon he has no need to favoring other Austrian/Spanish/Portuguese matches for them.
Other than Scottish and French there are no better alternatives for Austrian or Iberian matches, and both France and Scotland lacked candidates of right age for H8's son.
France has one perfectly around that age (Renée of France is two years younger than Henry IX)
But Renée is only sister-in-law of reigning King. If her father was still alive at the time of their wedding she'd be good candidate, after death of Louis XII and with Angoulême line on the throne her value decreased.
Not so much to not be a very good alternative to a niece of Catherine... And as French princess and sister of Francis’ Queen her value is practically intact (as her children will be first cousins of Francis’ own)... If Francis has not married her sister she would be likely less interesting but not here...
If Francis is going to remarry ITTL after death of Claude he could marry one of João's sisters-Isabella or Beatrice, or one of Philip of Austria's daughters, so Austrian or Iberian candidate would still be related to French royals, especially considering the fact, that Dauphin ITTL is married to Spanish princess, so Henry X would marry sister of French Queen.