List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

POD: Philip II of Spain has a son with his third wife, Elisabeth of Valois.

Philip II of Spain (b. 1527) m. 1559 Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1545)

1. Philip III (b. 1563) m. 1580 Christina of Lorraine (b. 1565)
- Philip IV (b. 1584) m. Maria of Austria (b. 1584)
- Carlos (b. 1585) m. Catherine of Sweden (b. 1584)
- Enrique (b. 1586) m. Magdalene of Bavaria (b. 1587)
- Juan (b. 1588) became cardinal, did not marry
- Ferdinand (b. 1591) m. Dorothea of Saxony (b. 1591)
2 + 3. Isabella Clara Eugenia and Catalina Micaela, as they were IOTL.
 
I mean, her age doesn't matter much if she suddenly becomes a VERY powerful heiress for example...
Edward IV wouldn't have married his "heiress" off to Hans. It was why Hans got Mary instead of Elizabeth (even though it would have made more sense - on grounds of age - to send Elizabeth to Denmark and Mary/Cecily to France). Elizabeth is too "valuable". If this was the Kalmar Union of Queen Margareta, maybe, but it's not. Sweden's in rebellion, and I think the Oldenburgs had had to barter a good deal of royal prerogatives away to be elected. Not to mention that, at the time, Denmark has no real benefits to England (or vice versa).

As to heiress, you've already showed that Arthur Tudor is there, which means that Mary isn't. In fact, how Mary got wedded abroad AFTER Henry Tudor seized the throne is a mystery, but I'll go with it
 
I didnt' think about her. Isn't she a little too young though? If Frañsez's conflicts with the French king are the same as OTL, I think he'd try to have his son betrothed and married ASAP.

French king could try to use her as proxy to end the conflict.
 
Edward IV wouldn't have married his "heiress" off to Hans. It was why Hans got Mary instead of Elizabeth (even though it would have made more sense - on grounds of age - to send Elizabeth to Denmark and Mary/Cecily to France). Elizabeth is too "valuable". If this was the Kalmar Union of Queen Margareta, maybe, but it's not. Sweden's in rebellion, and I think the Oldenburgs had had to barter a good deal of royal prerogatives away to be elected. Not to mention that, at the time, Denmark has no real benefits to England (or vice versa).

As to heiress, you've already showed that Arthur Tudor is there, which means that Mary isn't. In fact, how Mary got wedded abroad AFTER Henry Tudor seized the throne is a mystery, but I'll go with it
Mary wasn't alive when Henry Tudor took the throne IOTL, but her death can be butterflied away. Why wouldn't Henry let her wed abroad? She's his wife's sister, and therefore an ally
 
My apologies, I shall edit my post. Mary is now married before Henry took power.
can still get Mary married to Hans, just not in Henry VII's reign. Probably not in Richard III's either. Although Denmark might be regarded as "less of a threat" than say...Brittany, Scotland, the Empire or France. And if Dickon's got Elizabeth of York in England, Mary's husband/kids can't claim the throne so long as Liz is alive. In Edward IV's reign might be best
 

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Edward IV has a son first:

Edward IV of England (b.1442) m Elizabeth Woodville (b.1437) in 1464

Issue:

Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1465)

Elizabeth of York (b.1466)

Richard, Duke of York (b.1467)

Cecily of York (b.1470)

Anne of York (b.1473)

Mary of York (b.1475: d.1483)

George, Duke of Bedford (b.1477)

Catherine of York (b.1479)
 
Edward IV has a son first:

Edward IV of England (b.1442) m Elizabeth Woodville (b.1437) in 1464

Issue:

Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1465)

Elizabeth of York (b.1466)

Richard, Duke of York (b.1467)

Cecily of York (b.1470)

Anne of York (b.1473)

Mary of York (b.1475: d.1483)

George, Duke of Bedford (b.1477)

Catherine of York (b.1479)
Then Edward V will be fully adult and likely married at his father’s death depriving Richard of any chance to make his coup
 

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Then Edward V will be fully adult and likely married at his father’s death depriving Richard of any chance to make his coup
Indeed he will, the question is to who. Kunigunde of Austria may not be thay appealing a bride I think. Anne if Brittany is far too young
 
Oh tbay could be intriguing Anne to Ned would be fascinating and nah well come about as oart of Edward abd Louis treaty I imagine?
Yeah, I imagine it would happen as part of an alt Treaty of Picquigny, with the two likely being married before Louis XI can renege on it, in alt.
 

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Yeah, I imagine it would happen as part of an alt Treaty of Picquigny, with the two likely being married before Louis XI can renege on it, in alt.
Indeed tho if there’s concerns about age then perhaps Catherine could get the nod. Tho Ned and Anne could be married in 1479
 
POD: Gender-swapped Catherine of Aragon.

Ferdinand II of Aragon (1452-1516) m. Isabella of Castille (1451-1506)
  1. Isabella(1470-1509) m. Afonso VI of Portugal (1475-1518)
    1. Isabella(1492-1545) m. Charles IX of France (1492-1523) [1]
      1. Charles X of France (1509-1568) m. a) Margaret of Austria (1510-1539), b) Elisabeth of Austria (1525-1592)
      2. Anne (1511-1556) m. James V of Scotland (1507-1544) [2]
      3. Isabella (1512-1568) m. Casimir V of Poland (1494-1549) [3]
      4. Charlotte (1514-1522)
      5. Francis III of Brittany (1516-1564) m. Joan of Lorraine (1516-1571)
      6. Louis (1517)
      7. Madeleine (1519-1580) m. Arthur I of England (1520-1586)
      8. John, Duke of Anjou (1521-1577) m. Anne Stewart, Countess of Auvergne (1519-1583) [4]
      9. Philip, Duke of Valois (1523-1585) m. Catherine of Bourbon (1525-1594)
    2. John III of Portugal(1494-1552) m. Mary Tudor (1496-1543)
      1. Isabella (1512-1581) m. John III of Spain (1509-1577)
      2. Eleanor (1514-1548) m. Philibert III, Duke of Savoy (1503-1559)
      3. Afonso VII of Portugal (1515-1570) m. Catherine of Spain (1514-1569)
      4. Joanna (1517-1520)
      5. Maria (1521-1575) m. Manuel, Duke of Viseu and Beja (1523-1589)
      6. Henry (1523)
    3. Eleanor (1495)
    4. Afonso, Duke of Viseu and Beja (1498-1526) m. Beatrice, Duchess of Viseu and Beja (1501-1567) [6]
      1. Stillborn son (1518)
      2. Isabella (1520-1582) m. Ludovico II Sforza, Duke of Milan (1518-1566) [7]
      3. Manuel, Duke of Viseu and Beja (1523-1589) m. Maria of Portugal (1521-1575)
  2. John, Prince of Asturias and Girona (1478-1497) m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)
    1. Stillborn daughter (1498)
  3. Joanna(1479-1555) m. Philip, Duke of Burgundy (1478-1511)
    1. Eleanor(1498-1558) m. Antoine, Duke of Lorraine (1489-1544)
      1. Joan (1516-1571) m. Francis III of Brittany (1516-1564)
      2. Nicholas III of Lorraine (1518-1587) m. Amalia of Cleves (1517-1586)
      3. Stillborn son (1520)
      4. Charles (1523-1524)
      5. Philippa (1525-1585) m. Edward, Duke of York (1524-1583)
    2. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor(1500-1561) m. Elizabeth Tudor (1504-1552)
      1. Stillborn daughter (1521)
      2. Philip (1522-1526)
      3. Stillborn son (1524)
      4. Maria (1525)
      5. Joanna (1527-1528)
      6. Stillborn son (1528)
      7. Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor (1530-1599) m. Maria of Austria (1530-1597)
      8. Margaret (1532-1533)
      9. Stillborn daughter (1535)
    3. Maximilian (1501)
    4. Isabella (1504-1570) m. Henry VIII of England (1502-1561)
      1. See under Henry VIII of England.
    5. Ernest, Archduke of Inner Austria and King of Hungary, Croatia and Bohemia(1506-1554) m. Anna of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1559)
      1. Elisabeth (1525-1592) m. Charles X of France (1509-1568)
      2. Anna (1526-1549) m. William, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (1516-1592)
      3. Maximilian, King of Hungary, Croatia and Bohemia (1528-1604) m. Hedwig of Poland (1531-1600) [8]
      4. Maria (1530-1597) m. Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor (1530-1599)
      5. Charles (1531)
      6. Ernest, Archduke of Inner Austria (1533-1601) m. Margaret of Savoy (1538-1609) [9]
      7. Joanna (1534-1563) m. Frederick II of Denmark (1529-1578) [10]
      8. Catherine (1536-1602) nun
      9. Magdalena (1538-1541)
      10. Eleanor (1539-1595) m. Guglielmo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (1538-1587)
      11. Margaret (1541-1608) nun
      12. John (1543-1549)
      13. Barbara (1545-1602) m. Ferdinand IV of Naples (1541-1610)
    6. Mary(1507-1579) m. a) Louis II of Hungary (1506-1526), b) Alexander, Grand Duke of Lithuania (1497-1532) [11]
      1. a) Vladislaus (1525)
      2. b) Stillborn daughter (1529)
      3. b) Helena (1531-1595) m. John II of Poland (1530-1578) [8]
    7. Margaret(1510-1539) m. Charles X of France (1509-1568)
      1. Stillborn son (1528)
      2. Charles, Dauphin of France (1530-1538)
      3. Isabella (1532-1533)
      4. Stillborn daughter (1535)
      5. Louis XII of France (1537-1602) m. Anna Maria of Spain (1534-1590)
      6. Joan (1538-1600) m. Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1538-1560)
  4. Maria(1482-1531) m. Arthur, Prince of Wales (1486-1505)
    1. Henry VIII of England(1502-1561) m. Isabella of Austria (1504-1570)
      1. Arthur I of England (1520-1586) m. Madeleine of France (1519-1580)
      2. Henry (1522)
      3. Mary (1524-1529)
      4. Edward, Duke of York (1524-1583) m. Philippa of Lorraine (1525-1585)
      5. John (1527-1528)
      6. Elizabeth (1531-1588) m. Alexander IV of Scotland (1533-1601) [12]
    2. Elizabeth(1504-1552) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1561)
      1. See under Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor.
  5. Stillborn daughter (1482)
  6. Ferdinand VI of Spain(1485-1536) m. Anne of Navarre (1492-1530) [13]
    1. John III of Spain(1509-1577) m. Isabella of Portugal (1512-1581)
      1. Ferdinand, Prince of Asturias (1529-1545)
      2. John IV of Spain (1532-1609) m. Magdalene of England (1537-1605) [14]
      3. Anna Maria (1534-1590) m. Louis XII of France (1537-1602)
      4. Isabella (1546-1608) m. Charles Philibert, Duke of Savoy (1540-1591) [9]
    2. Isabella (1512-1513)
    3. Catherine(1514-1569) m. Afonso VII of Portugal (1515-1570)
      1. John (1532)
      2. Stillborn daughter (1534)
      3. Stillborn son (1535)
      4. Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1538-1560) m. Joan of France (1538-1600)
      5. Stillborn daughter (1540)
      6. Maria (1542-1604) m. Edward VI of England (1540-1616) [14]
      7. Anna (1543)
      8. Duarte (1546-1547)
    4. Ferdinand (1517)
    5. Maria (1519-1520)
    6. Anna(1523-1556) m. Ferdinand III of Naples (1521-1589) [15]
      1. Joanna (1540)
      2. Ferdinand IV of Naples (1541-1610) m. Barbara of Austria (1545-1602)
      3. Alfonso (1543-1545)
      4. Isabella (1544-1593) m. Francesco II Sforza, Duke of Milan (1540-1597) [16]
      5. Maria (1546-1619) m. Ercole III, Duke of Ferrara (1543-1596) [17]
      6. John (1549-1550)
      7. Catherine (1551)
      8. Frederick (1552-1618) Cardinal
      9. Stillborn son (1554)
      10. Beatrice (1556-1607) m. Philip, Archduke of Tyrol (1552-1598) [18]
      11. Bianca (1556-1584) nun
[1] Surviving Charles Orlando. Charles VIII has his otl death. Anne of Brittany becomes regent of France and doesn't remarry.
[2] Son of James IV of Scotland and Margaret Tudor. Died young otl.
[3] Son of John I Albert of Poland and Kunigunde of Austria.
[4] Daughter of John Stewart, Duke of Albany and Anne de la Tour d'Auvergne.
[5] Son of Philibert II of Savoy and Margaret of Austria.
[6] Daughter and heiress of Manuel, Duke of Viseu and Beja (otl king of Portugal).
[7] Son of Massimiliano Sforza, Duke of Milan and Bona Sforza.
[8] Children of Isabella of France and Casimir V of Poland.
[9] Children of Philibert III of Savoy and Eleanor of Portugal.
[10] ATL son of Christian III of Denmark, who isn't a protestant ITTL.
[11] Son of Alexander I of Poland, who is only Grand Duke of Lithuania ITTL, and Helena of Moscow.
[12] Son of James V of Scotland and Anne of France.
[13] Is not a dwarf ITTL.
[14] Children of Arthur I of England and Madeleine of France.
[15] Grandson of Ferdinand II of Naples and Joanna of Naples.
[16] Son of Ludovico II Sforza and Isabella of Viseu.
[17] ATL son of Ercole II, Duke of Ferrara.
[18] Second son of Charles VI and Maria of Austria.
 
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POD: Gender-swapped Catherine of Aragon.

Ferdinand II of Aragon (1452-1516) m. Isabella of Castille (1451-1506)
  1. Isabella(1470-1509) m. Afonso VI of Portugal (1475-1518)
    1. Isabella(1492-1545) m. Charles IX of France (1492-1523) [1]
      1. Charles X of France (1509-1568) m. a) Margaret of Austria (1510-1539), b) Elisabeth of Austria (1525-1592)
      2. Anne (1511-1556) m. James V of Scotland (1507-1544) [2]
      3. Isabella (1512-1568) m. Casimir V of Poland (1494-1549) [3]
      4. Charlotte (1514-1522)
      5. Francis III of Brittany (1516-1564) m. Joan of Lorraine (1516-1571)
      6. Louis (1517)
      7. Madeleine (1519-1580) m. Arthur I of England (1520-1586)
      8. John, Duke of Anjou (1521-1577) m. Anne Stewart, Countess of Auvergne (1519-1583) [4]
      9. Philip, Duke of Valois (1523-1585) m. Catherine of Bourbon (1525-1594)
    2. John III of Portugal(1494-1552) m. Mary Tudor (1496-1543)
      1. Isabella (1512-1581) m. John III of Spain (1509-1577)
      2. Eleanor (1514-1548) m. Philibert III, Duke of Savoy (1503-1559)
      3. Afonso VII of Portugal (1515-1570) m. Catherine of Spain (1514-1569)
      4. Joanna (1517-1520)
      5. Maria (1521-1575) m. Manuel, Duke of Viseu and Beja (1523-1589)
      6. Henry (1523)
    3. Eleanor (1495)
    4. Afonso, Duke of Viseu and Beja (1498-1526) m. Beatrice, Duchess of Viseu and Beja (1501-1567) [6]
      1. Stillborn son (1518)
      2. Isabella (1520-1582) m. Ludovico II Sforza, Duke of Milan (1518-1566) [7]
      3. Manuel, Duke of Viseu and Beja (1523-1589) m. Maria of Portugal (1521-1575)
  2. John, Prince of Asturias and Girona (1478-1497) m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)
    1. Stillborn daughter (1498)
  3. Joanna(1479-1555) m. Philip, Duke of Burgundy (1478-1511)
    1. Eleanor(1498-1558) m. Antoine, Duke of Lorraine (1489-1544)
      1. Joan (1516-1571) m. Francis III of Brittany (1516-1564)
      2. Nicholas III of Lorraine (1518-1587) m. Amalia of Cleves (1517-1586)
      3. Stillborn son (1520)
      4. Charles (1523-1524)
      5. Philippa (1525-1585) m. Edward, Duke of York (1524-1583)
    2. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor(1500-1561) m. Elizabeth Tudor (1504-1552)
      1. Stillborn daughter (1521)
      2. Philip (1522-1526)
      3. Stillborn son (1524)
      4. Maria (1525)
      5. Joanna (1527-1528)
      6. Stillborn son (1528)
      7. Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor (1530-1599) m. Maria of Austria (1530-1597)
      8. Margaret (1532-1533)
      9. Stillborn daughter (1535)
    3. Maximilian (1501)
    4. Isabella (1504-1570) m. Henry VIII of England (1502-1561)
      1. See under Henry VIII of England.
    5. Ernest, Archduke of Inner Austria and King of Hungary, Croatia and Bohemia(1506-1554) m. Anna of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1559)
      1. Elisabeth (1525-1592) m. Charles X of France (1509-1568)
      2. Anna (1526-1549) m. William, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (1516-1592)
      3. Maximilian, King of Hungary, Croatia and Bohemia (1528-1604) m. Hedwig of Poland (1531-1600) [8]
      4. Maria (1530-1597) m. Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor (1530-1599)
      5. Charles (1531)
      6. Ernest, Archduke of Inner Austria (1533-1601) m. Margaret of Savoy (1538-1609) [9]
      7. Joanna (1534-1563) m. Frederick II of Denmark (1529-1578) [10]
      8. Catherine (1536-1602) nun
      9. Magdalena (1538-1541)
      10. Eleanor (1539-1595) m. Guglielmo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (1538-1587)
      11. Margaret (1541-1608) nun
      12. John (1543-1549)
      13. Barbara (1545-1602) m. Ferdinand IV of Naples (1541-1610)
    6. Mary(1507-1579) m. a) Louis II of Hungary (1506-1526), b) Alexander, Grand Duke of Lithuania (1497-1532) [11]
      1. a) Vladislaus (1525)
      2. b) Stillborn daughter (1529)
      3. b) Helena (1531-1595) m. John II of Poland (1530-1578) [8]
    7. Margaret(1510-1539) m. Charles X of France (1509-1568)
      1. Stillborn son (1528)
      2. Charles, Dauphin of France (1530-1538)
      3. Isabella (1532-1533)
      4. Stillborn daughter (1535)
      5. Louis XII of France (1537-1602) m. Anna Maria of Spain (1534-1590)
      6. Joan (1538-1600) m. Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1538-1560)
  4. Maria(1482-1531) m. Arthur, Prince of Wales (1486-1505)
    1. Henry VIII of England(1502-1561) m. Isabella of Austria (1504-1570)
      1. Arthur I of England (1520-1586) m. Madeleine of France (1519-1580)
      2. Henry (1522)
      3. Mary (1524-1529)
      4. Edward, Duke of York (1524-1583) m. Philippa of Lorraine (1525-1585)
      5. John (1527-1528)
      6. Elizabeth (1531-1588) m. Alexander IV of Scotland (1533-1601) [12]
    2. Elizabeth(1504-1552) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1561)
      1. See under Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor.
  5. Stillborn daughter (1482)
  6. Ferdinand VI of Spain(1485-1536) m. Anne of Navarre (1492-1530) [13]
    1. John III of Spain(1509-1577) m. Isabella of Portugal (1512-1581)
      1. Ferdinand, Prince of Asturias (1529-1545)
      2. John IV of Spain (1532-1609) m. Magdalene of England (1537-1605) [14]
      3. Anna Maria (1534-1590) m. Louis XII of France (1537-1602)
      4. Isabella (1546-1608) m. Charles Philibert, Duke of Savoy (1540-1591) [9]
    2. Isabella (1512-1513)
    3. Catherine(1514-1569) m. Afonso VII of Portugal (1515-1570)
      1. John (1532)
      2. Stillborn daughter (1534)
      3. Stillborn son (1535)
      4. Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1538-1560) m. Joan of France (1538-1600)
      5. Stillborn daughter (1540)
      6. Maria (1542-1604) m. Edward VI of England (1540-1616) [14]
      7. Anna (1543)
      8. Duarte (1546-1547)
    4. Ferdinand (1517)
    5. Maria (1519-1520)
    6. Anna(1523-1556) m. Ferdinand III of Naples (1521-1589)
      1. Joanna (1540)
      2. Ferdinand IV of Naples (1541-1610) m. Barbara of Austria (1545-1602)
      3. Alfonso (1543-1545)
      4. Isabella (1544-1593) m. Francesco II Sforza, Duke of Milan (1540-1597) [16]
      5. Maria (1546-1619) m. Ercole III, Duke of Ferrara (1543-1596) [17]
      6. John (1549-1550)
      7. Catherine (1551)
      8. Frederick (1552-1618) Cardinal
      9. Stillborn son (1554)
      10. Beatrice (1556-1607) m. Philip, Archduke of Tyrol (1552-1598) [18]
      11. Bianca (1556-1584) nun
[1] Surviving Charles Orlando. Charles VIII has his otl death. Anne of Brittany becomes regent of France and doesn't remarry.
[2] Son of James IV of Scotland and Margaret Tudor. Died young otl.
[3] Son of John I Albert of Poland and Kunigunde of Austria.
[4] Daughter of John Stewart, Duke of Albany and Anne de la Tour d'Auvergne.
[5] Son of Philibert II of Savoy and Margaret of Austria.
[6] Daughter and heiress of Manuel, Duke of Viseu and Beja (otl king of Portugal).
[7] Son of Massimiliano Sforza, Duke of Milan and Bona Sforza.
[8] Children of Isabella of France and Casimir V of Poland.
[9] Children of Philibert III of Savoy and Eleanor of Portugal.
[10] ATL son of Christian III of Denmark, who isn't a protestant ITTL.
[11] Son of Alexander I of Poland, who is only Grand Duke of Lithuania ITTL, and Helena of Moscow.
[12] Son of James V of Scotland and Anne of France.
[13] Is not a dwarf ITTL.
[14] Children of Arthur I of England and Madeleine of France.
[15] Grandson of Ferdinand II of Naples and Joanna of Naples.
[16] Son of Ludovico II Sforza and Isabella of Viseu.
[17] ATL son of Ercole II, Duke of Ferrara.
[18] Second son of Charles VI and Maria of Austria.
Arthur and Maria of Aragon? Now that’s an intriguing pair
 

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For a thing I'm working on inspired by a convo with @Kellan Sullivan @The_Most_Happy, @King of Danes and @Jonathan

Charles I of the United Kingdom of the British Isles (b.1600) m Sophie of Denmark (b.1605) in 1622

Issue:

Henry Frederick, Prince of Wales (b.1623)

James, Duke of York and Albany (b.1624)

Anne, Princess of the United Kingdom (b.1627)

Sophie, Princess of the United Kingdom (b.1631)

Charles, Duke of Gloucester and Kintyre (b.1633)

Elizabeth, Princess of the United Kingdom (b.1635)

Edward, Duke of Cumberland and Strathearn (b.1640: d.1644)
 
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For a thing I'm working on inspired by a convo with @Kellan Sullivan @The_Most_Happy and @King of Danes

Charles I of the United Kingdom of the British Isles (b.1600) m Sophie of Denmark (b.1605) in 1622

Issue:

Henry Frederick, Prince of Wales (b.1623)

James, Duke of York and Albany (b.1624)

Anne, Princess of the United Kingdom (b.1627)

Sophie, Princess of the United Kingdom (b.1631)

Charles, Duke of Gloucester and Kintyre (b.1633)

Elizabeth, Princess of the United Kingdom (b.1635)

Edward, Duke of Cumberland and Strathearn (b.1640: d.1644)
Sweet ATL Stuart family tree minus Edward dying early.

I'll love to see ATL Henry IX and his brothers in an ATL Restoration scenario.
 
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