Icarus: A Climate TL

Redo the evacuation of LA?


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Couldn't sociedy just adjust to the high UV rays by nationally mandating nocturnal working/school hours? Sleep during the mid-day (perhaps around 9 am to 5 pm) and work at night (around 8pm to 6am). Also, push as much of school online via this world's equivalent of Zoom/Skype and via Canvas.

It might be an awkward adjustment at first, but I'm sure most people can acclimate to a nocturnal lifestyle. Jogging at the wee hours of the evening. Eating out in the middle of the night, etc.

With society more active at night, cities and suburbs would have to heavily invest in more lighting with double the street lamps and greater public lighting areas.
Also the energy saving from using less air-conditioning would be a positive effect, maybe not too significant but its better than nothing.
 
Also the energy saving from using less air-conditioning would be a positive effect, maybe not too significant but its better than nothing.

Also, why isn't California investing in desalination plants for Los Angeles?

They already have one for San Diego OTL: http://carlsbaddesal.sdcwa.org/

Los Angeles is a rich city, they could well afford a couple of nuclear-powered desalination plants along the coast and copy what San Diegans are doing.

If San Diego can do it, then Los Angeles surely can
 
Also, why isn't California investing in desalination plants for Los Angeles?

They already have one for San Diego OTL: http://carlsbaddesal.sdcwa.org/

Los Angeles is a rich city, they could well afford a couple of nuclear-powered desalination plants along the coast and copy what San Diegans are doing.

If San Diego can do it, then Los Angeles surely can
I don't know if its still canon in the timeline, but a lot of LA was evacuated because the UV index was too high since the Ozone layer is worse off in this timeline.
 
Couldn't sociedy just adjust to the high UV rays by nationally mandating nocturnal working/school hours? Sleep during the mid-day (perhaps around 9 am to 5 pm) and work at night (around 8pm to 6am). Also, push as much of school online via this world's equivalent of Zoom/Skype and via Canvas.

It might be an awkward adjustment at first, but I'm sure most people can acclimate to a nocturnal lifestyle. Jogging at the wee hours of the evening. Eating out in the middle of the night, etc.

With society more active at night, cities and suburbs would have to heavily invest in more lighting with double the street lamps and greater public lighting areas.
This is already occurring in the timeline, as seen here:
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Also, why isn't California investing in desalination plants for Los Angeles?

They already have one for San Diego OTL: http://carlsbaddesal.sdcwa.org/

Los Angeles is a rich city, they could well afford a couple of nuclear-powered desalination plants along the coast and copy what San Diegans are doing.

If San Diego can do it, then Los Angeles surely can
It's much harder than it seems to rely on desalination plants for much of your water supply. In OTL, desalination plants in LA/OC were blocked by NIMBYs and the California Coastal Commission, and while a few plants were built in LA ITTL, it was not enough to weather a prolonged drought.
 
Dear God, I missed this timeline. Those nocturnal hours though, I remember you mentioned that Boston was considering that for schools in 2022, I take it most states south of it have done that route? How’s that going?

Only reason for this not happening in Soylentverse is due to cities instituting night curfews in the 2000s, and with it the perception is night time is crime time. Also people wear thin long sleeved shirts and pants and hats to deal with the UVs.
 
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It's much harder than it seems to rely on desalination plants for much of your water supply. In OTL, desalination plants in LA/OC were blocked by NIMBYs and the California Coastal Commission, and while a few plants were built in LA ITTL, it was not enough to weather a prolonged drought.
What other options are there for water? The cost sometimes needs to just be written off because "fuck economics we need to not die of thirst".
 
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Starting on May 20, 2023, New York will begin a wider rollout of our second-generation state identification cards, titled CardNY. All U.S citizens and Green Card holders that have permanently resided in New York for at least two years are eligible to enroll in the program.

Your CardNY offers many benefits and will be widely accepted by local and state authorities to access government services. Employers, landlords, banks, and other businesses will also broadly accept CardNY for employment or to verify your identity, age, and residence in New York state. The federal government also accepts CardNY to board Amtrak services and access certain government facilities. Domestic and international flights require further documentation and approval.

CardNY is also a part of the NorPass verification system, which allows cardholders visa-free access into New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. Simply present your card to a border official or eGate system. Beginning in 2024, your CardNY will also be able to connect to your E-ZPass account, allowing you to skip border controls entirely when entering NorPass states by highway. CardNY users also gain visa-free travel for 90 days in Oregon, California, South Carolina, and Texas.
 
I'm not a constitutional scholar by any stretch but aren't their possible Article IV problems with having certain states forbid entry to citizens of other states? Article VI, Section 2 states "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." I can see lawyers/governments ITTL using that to try and render unconstitutional stuff like entrance visas and the like. I'm not saying that's impossible to overcome of course.
 
I recall one of the first few posts ITTL being about a new amendment in the Constitution specifically dealing with federal/state border control and stuff.
 
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Benefits of CardNY

Starting on May 20, 2023, New York will begin a wider rollout of our second-generation state identification cards, titled CardNY. All U.S citizens and Green Card holders that have permanently resided in New York for at least two years are eligible to enroll in the program.

Your CardNY offers many benefits and will be widely accepted by local and state authorities to access government services. Employers, landlords, banks, and other businesses will also broadly accept CardNY for employment or to verify your identity, age, and residence in New York state. The federal government also accepts CardNY to board Amtrak services and access certain government facilities. Domestic and international flights require further documentation and approval.

CardNY is also a part of the NorPass verification system, which allows cardholders visa-free access into New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. Simply present your card to a border official or eGate system. Beginning in 2024, your CardNY will also be able to connect to your E-ZPass account, allowing you to skip border controls entirely when entering NorPass states by highway. CardNY users also gain visa-free travel for 90 days in Oregon, California, South Carolina, and Texas.
Interesting, why are CA, SC, and TX specifically included?

Also, part of me is interested in making an NJ Transit map of the system in 2023, or if I have the time, Amtrak’s national system.

Speaking of them, how’s Amtrak doing? If I had to guess, judging from the ban on regional flights in the northeast, they must be getting more funding. Or at least more demand.
 
I'm not a constitutional scholar by any stretch but aren't their possible Article IV problems with having certain states forbid entry to citizens of other states? Article VI, Section 2 states "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." I can see lawyers/governments ITTL using that to try and render unconstitutional stuff like entrance visas and the like. I'm not saying that's impossible to overcome of course.
The 28th amendment gave the federal government the ability to institute internal border controls in "emergency situations". Eventually it acquiesced to state pressure and gave that ability to individual states outside of Exclusion Zones.

Interesting, why are CA, SC, and TX specifically included?

Also, part of me is interested in making an NJ Transit map of the system in 2023, or if I have the time, Amtrak’s national system.

Speaking of them, how’s Amtrak doing? If I had to guess, judging from the ban on regional flights in the northeast, they must be getting more funding. Or at least more demand.

NY has reciprocity with OR, CA, SC, TX. Since it's still the early days of the program, more states are expected to be added in the future. Also, there's significant demand for NY to CA and NY to TX travel, so it's best to limit the amount of documentation required.

The Amtrak system has been heavily expanded to cover regional demand in the Southeast and Midwest. The only domestic flights that aren't prohibitively expensive yet are coast-to-coast flights, since no one wants to travel from SF to NY over several days by train. Still no high-speed rail outside of the Northeast.
 
NY has reciprocity with OR, CA, SC, TX. Since it's still the early days of the program, more states are expected to be added in the future. Also, there's significant demand for NY to CA and NY to TX travel, so it's best to limit the amount of documentation required.

The Amtrak system has been heavily expanded to cover regional demand in the Southeast and Midwest. The only domestic flights that aren't prohibitively expensive yet are coast-to-coast flights, since no one wants to travel from SF to NY over several days by train. Still no high-speed rail outside of the Northeast.
Damn, my dreams for a strong Amtrak presence in the south comes at the expense of a destroyed ozone layer😔
 
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well alrighty then

So what stage of this video would you estimate ttl is in by 2023?

 
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