Icarus: A Climate TL

Redo the evacuation of LA?

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Peppermint Cardboard said:
WOOOOO! awesome to see this TL back!!
also really interesting to see Cuba liberalising. what led the US to lift it’s sanctions in Cuba?
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There was a liberal president in charge and she wanted to portray an image of "ending outdated Cold War hostilities" and encouraging peace and thawed relations. Some cynics might say it was to decrease the tide of Cuban migrants pouring into the U.S.
 

theflyingmongoose

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There was a liberal president in charge and she wanted to portray an image of "ending outdated Cold War hostilities" and encouraging peace and thawed relations. Some cynics might say it was to decrease the tide of Cuban migrants pouring into the U.S.
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Is Cuba similar to Vietnam in the sense that pro-American views have grown along with the economy?
 
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    Supreme Court upholds lower court ruling, says Michigan electors must vote for Huntsman
    December 21, 2016

    (CNN) - The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that the presidential electors of the state of Michigan must cast ballots for Huntsman or face replacement and punishment according to state law.

    The decision, upholding a previous 6th district ruling, means that all of Michigan's sixteen electors will be unable to adhere to instructions from the national RNC for electors to cast ballots for Bobby Jindal, the Republicans' replacement nominee after President Huntsman resigned from office on October 28th. The timing of Huntsman's resignation came far too late to replace his name on any ballot, and thousands of voters had already cast a vote for him by mail.

    Justice Stephen Breyer penned the decision of the 5-4 majority, which states that Michigan's 2010 state law against faithless electors "specifically includes provisions that compel electors to vote for the popular vote winner of the state," which would be Huntsman, as his name is the one that appears on the ballot. Michigan's Republican secretary of state had tried to argue that electors only had to vote for a candidate nominated by the same political party as the popular vote winner, citing a 1954 statute, but this argument was rejected by the court.

    Wasserman Schultz praised the ruling in a Facebook post earlier this morning, saying that "today's decision upholds the rule of law and denies the GOP's brazen power grab after their extremely unpopular president was forced to resign."

    Today's decision also applies to Indiana and Nebraska, two states that have similar or identical faithless elector laws to Michigan, meaning that a total of 31 electoral votes will be split from Jindal's 282 and given to Huntsman's 8. With no candidate having reached 270 electoral votes, the election now heads to the House.

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    TheHedgehog said:
    Why did Huntsman resign?
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    Ordering the evacuation of Hawaii and the resulting subsequent aftermath was incredibly unpopular with the American public, given that this was the first time this had happened.

    qazwsx said:
    If Hawai'i only has about 100k people (as stated in one of the previous images), how do they still have multiple congressional districts?
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    Congressional reapportionments occur every ten years.
     

    Curtain Jerker

    Holy shit 2016 is batshit!

    I think Huntsman would have just hunkered down and not resigned that close to an election tho, but this makes a way cooler story so 🤷‍♂️
     

    PGSBHurricane

    How are Chicago and the rest of the Great Lakes, the Bosnywash corridor (especially NYC), the San Francisco Bay Area, and the Pacific Northwest doing in this TL? And if the ozone issue is resolved far later here than OTL, then I can actually realistically see climate change being even worse than IOTL too. Watching this.
     
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    ItsMyKetchup

    Curtain Jerker said:
    I think Huntsman would have just hunkered down and not resigned that close to an election tho, but this makes a way cooler story so 🤷‍♂️
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    Good point. He'd been dragging out resigning for weeks, but his and the RNC's logic was that he was sure to lose anyway, so if he resigned and let his less unpopular VP take over, the GOP would do better in the Congressional elections and have a fighting chance at the Presidency.

    PGSBHurricane said:
    How are Chicago and the rest of the Great Lakes, the Bosnywash corridor (especially NYC), the San Francisco Bay Area, and the Pacific Northwest doing in this TL? And if the ozone issue is resolved far later here than OTL, then I can actually realistically see climate change being even worse than IOTL too. Watching this.
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    Chicago and the Midwest are doing okay - mostly insulated from the climate change and water scarcity, and these days are mainly fighting against a proposed water pipeline from the Great Lakes to the Western US.

    Boston - the Big Dig cost more money and took more time than OTL, but it's complete and the waterfront and downtown are being revitalized. Basically the same as OTL.

    New York - A larger Haitian and Puerto Rican community than OTL due to recent migrants and refugees. The prolonged economic recession in the US means less of a skyscraper boom, no Billionaire's Row, and a slower gentrification of Brooklyn. Also arguing with upstate due to political fights over water from the Catskills.

    BosWash Corridor - Passenger flights have been effectively banned along this corridor since 2020, which has led to even more clogged freeways and overcrowded Acela trains.

    Bay Area - A bigger dot-com bubble crash hurts the tech industry for longer, and tech in general is roughly 5-7 years behind OTL. Since 2021, lots of LA transplants have moved into the area, and the housing crisis is worse than OTL. The lack of COVID and remote work however means that SF is economically sound, with a busy and vibrant downtown and lower rates of crime. The state is currently building the Sites Dam and working on conserving water resources to prevent SF from turning into a disaster like LA.

    Pacific Northwest - Even more population growth than OTL.
     
    Peppermint Cardboard

    Peppermint Cardboard

    ItsMyKetchup said:
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    Supreme Court upholds lower court ruling, says Michigan electors must vote for Huntsman
    December 21, 2016

    (CNN) - The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that the presidential electors of the state of Michigan must cast ballots for Huntsman or face replacement and punishment according to state law.

    The decision, upholding a previous 6th district ruling, means that all of Michigan's sixteen electors will be unable to adhere to instructions from the national RNC for electors to cast ballots for Bobby Jindal, the Republicans' replacement nominee after President Huntsman resigned from office on October 28th. The timing of Huntsman's resignation came far too late to replace his name on any ballot, and thousands of voters had already cast a vote for him by mail.

    Justice Stephen Breyer penned the decision of the 5-4 majority, which states that Michigan's 2010 state law against faithless electors "specifically includes provisions that compel electors to vote for the popular vote winner of the state," which would be Huntsman, as his name is the one that appears on the ballot. Michigan's Republican secretary of state had tried to argue that electors only had to vote for a candidate nominated by the same political party as the popular vote winner, citing a 1954 statute, but this argument was rejected by the court.

    Wasserman Schultz praised the ruling in a Facebook post earlier this morning, saying that "today's decision upholds the rule of law and denies the GOP's brazen power grab after their extremely unpopular president was forced to resign."

    Today's decision also applies to Indiana and Nebraska, two states that have similar or identical faithless elector laws to Michigan, meaning that a total of 31 electoral votes will be split from Jindal's 282 and given to Huntsman's 8. With no candidate having reached 270 electoral votes, the election now heads to the House.
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    oh my god that is CRAZY holy cow! a lot to pick through
     

    Divergent54

    Couldn't sociedy just adjust to the high UV rays by nationally mandating nocturnal working/school hours? Sleep during the mid-day (perhaps around 9 am to 5 pm) and work at night (around 8pm to 6am). Also, push as much of school online via this world's equivalent of Zoom/Skype and via Canvas.

    It might be an awkward adjustment at first, but I'm sure most people can acclimate to a nocturnal lifestyle. Jogging at the wee hours of the evening. Eating out in the middle of the night, etc.

    With society more active at night, cities and suburbs would have to heavily invest in more lighting with double the street lamps and greater public lighting areas.
     
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    Divergent54

    Aisha Clan-Clan said:
    woudln't it be cheaper to just you know, stop putting more CFCs into the air??
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    The timeline is about the delay of the CFC ban, more specifically with something along the lines of a Montreal Protocol being signed in 2014 rather than in the 1980s. That's 30 years more of CFC pollution destroying the ozone layer
     
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