That was an idea by @mikroraptor , I thought of a reactionary/Romanist "Berber Republic" here, but I don't know what mikroraptor's idea was.
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That was an idea by @mikroraptor , I thought of a reactionary/Romanist "Berber Republic" here, but I don't know what mikroraptor's idea was.
@Hindustani Person first mentioned the idea to me. What I was imagining was that to carve up France even further, Germany backed Berber and Tuareg rebels, which established independent countries. I think that the Tuareg state might be Romanist influenced, but I was thinking more of a straight up military dictatorship for the Berberophone country
The Eastern Tuareg State you mean (I am calling it "East Azawad" provisionally)? I imagined that East Azawad soon fell under the influence of Romanist(? is that plausible?) Egypt.
By the way, doesit make sense for the US to remain isolationist right up until the second great war, and then appear on the world stage? if so, I was thinking that it might be interesting if there was a three way cold war between the (US, Central american states, UK), (Germany, Mitteleuropa, Postwar Russia), and (Red France, Red Japan, and Red Australia)
I'm y no means wedded to this, it was just an idea that you might find interesting
I'm y no means wedded to this, it was just an idea that you might find interesting
The Republic of Montana
The Republic of the Northern Caucasus
Map of the Republic of Montana (Green) in the Caucasus region (White) Abkhazia is shown in olive green
Flag of the Republic of Montana
Capital: Vedeno
Offivial Languages: Chechen, Kabardian, Ossetic, Ingush, Balkar, Abkhaz
Unofficial Languages: German, Dagestani, English, Turkish
Official Currency: Montani Dollar (.6 USD)
Government: Federal Constitutional Republic
The Republic of the Northern Caucasus, unofficially the Republic of Montana, is a Federal Republic in the Northern Caucasus region. It is comprised of many ethnic groups, including Chechens, Ossetians, Kabardians, Ingushetians, Balkars, and Abkhazians. It has had a tumultuous history, going from a secession movement, to a German puppet, to being invaded by Belaist Russia and the Great Abkhaz Betrayal, to a Communist Dictatorship, to the modern Republic, and now to the Abkhaz conflict.
HISTORY:
The Northern Caucasus region spent much of its history with infighting between its many ethnicities,
before being subsumed by the Russian Empire in the nineteenth century. In the following decades, every so often one of them nations would revolt, only to be brutally crushed. In the early twentieth century though, several politicians from across the many ethnic groups and nations formed the Union of the Peoples of the Northern Caucasus, which advocated a peaceful split from Russia. When Russia collapsed into civil war in early 1917, it was the perfect opportunity.
The Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus was declared on the 5th of August, 1917. Its constitution established a Federal Republic system, but it was mostly run by the military in its early years. Germany quickly recognized the young nation, and sent troops to aid it, as well as many of the other separatist movements in the oil-rich Caucasus at the time. The Mountainous Republic's forces won a key victory against the forces of Anton Denikin of the White Movement, and the Bolsheviks were forced to recognize the independence of the Caucasian states in the treaty of Vilnius*.
The young Republic had many problems plaguing it. For one, the Germans had refused to withdraw their troops from the country, and there were several outbursts of violence in response. For another, although a (reasonably) fair election for the legislature had been held, the president, Tapa Tchermoeff, refused to step down. Luckily, a bloody civil war was avoided, when the Germans withdrew their forces in 1921, and President Tchermoeff agreed to respect the wishes of the parliement.
As the rest of the Caucasus countries fell increasingly under either German or Turkish influence, so too did the Mountainous Republic. The Republic joined Mitteleuropa in 1925, signed a trade agreement with Germany, giving German corporations the rights to dig for oil, and many of the people even started speaking German as a lingua franca. Tchermoeff drew the line at joining with any German military alliances or pacts, seeing how well that had worked out in the Great war. Unfortunately, that also meant that the Mountainous republic was less defended than other nations.
As Russia began to turn towards Belaism, Germany grew concerned more and more with the Caucasus region. After the Annexation of the Don Free State, President Tchermoeff finally agreed to join the Allies, an act that angered much of the parliement, especially the Abkhazian delegates, who did not like the German warships in their harbors, and grew paranoid of a German invasion. This would also be Tchermoeff's last major decision, as he died a few weeks later.
When war was finally declared in 1940, the Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus had no commander in chief, and several of its constituents were threatening to secede. Abkhazia took advantage of the situation, and declared its independence, and immedialtely allied with Belaist Russia.
This was known as "The Great Abkaz Betrayal"
Abkhazia invaded the Kuban Republic, the State of Georgia, and the Mountainous Republic, all with the support of Belaist Russia
Map of the Caucasus region after "The Great Abkhaz Betrayal" 1941
As Russia collapsed in the late 40s, a Communist resurgence began, and as the Neo-Bolsheviks gained ground in the far east, the partisans in the Caucasus managed to break the Russo-Abkhaz hegemony over the former Mountainous Republic. Inspired by the Neo-Bolshevik movement, the Federation of the Peoples of the Mountains was established. Although it at first attempted to be a Libertarian Socialist state, it quickly became an authoritarian one.
The flag of the Montana Socialist Republic (1948-1979)
Map of the Montana Socialist Republic, showing the "Special administration zones" of Abkhazia and South Ossetia
The Montana Socialist Republic punished Abkhazia for its betrayal, forcibly relocating all Abkhazians into the Special Administration Zone of Abkhazia. Abkhaz speakers were treated as second class citizens, and were used as cheap labor by the regime. The Regime was not exactly friendly to its citizens either, insisting on trying to break down ethnic differences to "strengthen the Montani identity" It soon became a pariah state, and its dictator became increasingly paranoid about American or German invasion. it cut off all oil shipments to America and Germany.
In 1979, however, the longstanding dictator died. A short, but violent, civil war began, ending with the establishment of the American-backed Republic of Montana. In 1984, Dagestan held a referendum on independence, which passed. However, Abkhazia has held four such referendums, and all have been ruled invalid by the Montani courts.
in 2010, the Abkhazians rebelled against the Republic of Montana. The war has been bloody, and long lasting, due to the United States backing of the Montani government, and the German backing of Abkhazia. Currently, the Montana Republic is winning, and the rebels have been forced back to the strip of land surrounding Sukhumi.
Flag of the Abkhazian Liberation Army
Despite all of this, the Republic of Montana has been rebuilt, largely with american aid, and is considered to be the most Democratic state in the Caucasus.
*treaty of Vilnius=Treaty of Brest-Litovsk
Map of the Republic of Montana (Green) in the Caucasus region (White) Abkhazia is shown in olive green
Flag of the Republic of Montana
Capital: Vedeno
Offivial Languages: Chechen, Kabardian, Ossetic, Ingush, Balkar, Abkhaz
Unofficial Languages: German, Dagestani, English, Turkish
Official Currency: Montani Dollar (.6 USD)
Government: Federal Constitutional Republic
The Republic of the Northern Caucasus, unofficially the Republic of Montana, is a Federal Republic in the Northern Caucasus region. It is comprised of many ethnic groups, including Chechens, Ossetians, Kabardians, Ingushetians, Balkars, and Abkhazians. It has had a tumultuous history, going from a secession movement, to a German puppet, to being invaded by Belaist Russia and the Great Abkhaz Betrayal, to a Communist Dictatorship, to the modern Republic, and now to the Abkhaz conflict.
HISTORY:
The Northern Caucasus region spent much of its history with infighting between its many ethnicities,
before being subsumed by the Russian Empire in the nineteenth century. In the following decades, every so often one of them nations would revolt, only to be brutally crushed. In the early twentieth century though, several politicians from across the many ethnic groups and nations formed the Union of the Peoples of the Northern Caucasus, which advocated a peaceful split from Russia. When Russia collapsed into civil war in early 1917, it was the perfect opportunity.
The Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus was declared on the 5th of August, 1917. Its constitution established a Federal Republic system, but it was mostly run by the military in its early years. Germany quickly recognized the young nation, and sent troops to aid it, as well as many of the other separatist movements in the oil-rich Caucasus at the time. The Mountainous Republic's forces won a key victory against the forces of Anton Denikin of the White Movement, and the Bolsheviks were forced to recognize the independence of the Caucasian states in the treaty of Vilnius*.
The young Republic had many problems plaguing it. For one, the Germans had refused to withdraw their troops from the country, and there were several outbursts of violence in response. For another, although a (reasonably) fair election for the legislature had been held, the president, Tapa Tchermoeff, refused to step down. Luckily, a bloody civil war was avoided, when the Germans withdrew their forces in 1921, and President Tchermoeff agreed to respect the wishes of the parliement.
As the rest of the Caucasus countries fell increasingly under either German or Turkish influence, so too did the Mountainous Republic. The Republic joined Mitteleuropa in 1925, signed a trade agreement with Germany, giving German corporations the rights to dig for oil, and many of the people even started speaking German as a lingua franca. Tchermoeff drew the line at joining with any German military alliances or pacts, seeing how well that had worked out in the Great war. Unfortunately, that also meant that the Mountainous republic was less defended than other nations.
As Russia began to turn towards Belaism, Germany grew concerned more and more with the Caucasus region. After the Annexation of the Don Free State, President Tchermoeff finally agreed to join the Allies, an act that angered much of the parliement, especially the Abkhazian delegates, who did not like the German warships in their harbors, and grew paranoid of a German invasion. This would also be Tchermoeff's last major decision, as he died a few weeks later.
When war was finally declared in 1940, the Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus had no commander in chief, and several of its constituents were threatening to secede. Abkhazia took advantage of the situation, and declared its independence, and immedialtely allied with Belaist Russia.
This was known as "The Great Abkaz Betrayal"
Abkhazia invaded the Kuban Republic, the State of Georgia, and the Mountainous Republic, all with the support of Belaist Russia
Map of the Caucasus region after "The Great Abkhaz Betrayal" 1941
As Russia collapsed in the late 40s, a Communist resurgence began, and as the Neo-Bolsheviks gained ground in the far east, the partisans in the Caucasus managed to break the Russo-Abkhaz hegemony over the former Mountainous Republic. Inspired by the Neo-Bolshevik movement, the Federation of the Peoples of the Mountains was established. Although it at first attempted to be a Libertarian Socialist state, it quickly became an authoritarian one.
The flag of the Montana Socialist Republic (1948-1979)
Map of the Montana Socialist Republic, showing the "Special administration zones" of Abkhazia and South Ossetia
The Montana Socialist Republic punished Abkhazia for its betrayal, forcibly relocating all Abkhazians into the Special Administration Zone of Abkhazia. Abkhaz speakers were treated as second class citizens, and were used as cheap labor by the regime. The Regime was not exactly friendly to its citizens either, insisting on trying to break down ethnic differences to "strengthen the Montani identity" It soon became a pariah state, and its dictator became increasingly paranoid about American or German invasion. it cut off all oil shipments to America and Germany.
In 1979, however, the longstanding dictator died. A short, but violent, civil war began, ending with the establishment of the American-backed Republic of Montana. In 1984, Dagestan held a referendum on independence, which passed. However, Abkhazia has held four such referendums, and all have been ruled invalid by the Montani courts.
in 2010, the Abkhazians rebelled against the Republic of Montana. The war has been bloody, and long lasting, due to the United States backing of the Montani government, and the German backing of Abkhazia. Currently, the Montana Republic is winning, and the rebels have been forced back to the strip of land surrounding Sukhumi.
Flag of the Abkhazian Liberation Army
Despite all of this, the Republic of Montana has been rebuilt, largely with american aid, and is considered to be the most Democratic state in the Caucasus.
*treaty of Vilnius=Treaty of Brest-Litovsk
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I love this part of the history, although I still hope that the maps are not final beyond the Republic of Montana!
Another good part!
Do you mean Hoxha-level paranoia here? If yes, that would be viable.
But how and why does America instead of Germany get to do the rebuilding?
That's really cool, but I prefer the Mountainous Republic of Northern Caucasus.
Many people agree with you, but others think that the old name symbolizes a corrupt, puppet government
1. I like my maps, but I'm open to suggestions!
2. I was thinking exactly that!
3. In a word: oil. America now gets almost all the oil from Montana, and they sell Germany none
Ah, America has a vested interest. That makes it way more plausible.
Okay, a Hoxha-level insanely paranoid dictator... I generated a few Chechen names, and it came up with:
Bibulat Korgay
Nur-Pashi Dudiyn
Elbek Yandarbiyev
Buvaysar Batukayev
Kanti Hamidov
Magomed-Emi Avtorkhanov
Bekhan Basayev
Sharip Varayev
Khas-Magomed Abdurakhmanov
Dzhamal Masaev
Here, I would suggest "Khas-Magomed Abdurakhmanov", but... what name do you like best for the Hoxha-type dictator of Montana?
After hints from fellow members like @Erinthecute , I use fantasynamegenerators.com, too
Bekhan Basayev I like, probably because it's alliterative, but if anyone knows an OTL figure who would fit, please tell me
@Hindustani Person , as it seems very clear that Konstantin Rodzaevsky will win this vote/poll:
I would be prepared to concede (i.e. switch my vote to Rodzaevsky) if we give Mykola Symonenko some high-ranking position. What position in Fascist Russia would you suggest for Symonenko?
I thought about (names of offices provisional!):
I would be prepared to concede (i.e. switch my vote to Rodzaevsky) if we give Mykola Symonenko some high-ranking position. What position in Fascist Russia would you suggest for Symonenko?
I thought about (names of offices provisional!):
- Minister of the Interior and Security (would have powers much akin to Himmler)
- Minister of Religion (another brutal and insane ministry, with something like a Gestapo to oversee Orthodoxy and persecute all non-Orthodox people)
- Minister of Transportation and Resources
- A kind of Reichskommissar - whatever that would be in Russian - in Ukraine (like Seyß-Inquart after the Anschluss of Austria)
To be honest, @YaaItsRewindTime : I looked at the map, at plans regarding the Pacific etc., and I like your proposal for Australia better. Not entirely - and thus I might tweak South Australia - but I do like the borders for the most part.
Ze map 3 by Red Arturoist
I have now finished the world map, and thus I will start focusing on building individual nations etc. from now on:
Regarding Australia, I picture North (or West?) Adelaide as a large West Berlin.
And the AUC date? I thought that Romanists - as they hark back to the Roman Empire - would at least take up the epoch "Ab Urbe Condita". This is why the map also has an Ab Urbe Condita (AUC) date.
Regarding Australia, I picture North (or West?) Adelaide as a large West Berlin.
And the AUC date? I thought that Romanists - as they hark back to the Roman Empire - would at least take up the epoch "Ab Urbe Condita". This is why the map also has an Ab Urbe Condita (AUC) date.
It's beautiful, and the AUC date is a nice touch.I have now finished the world map, and thus I will start focusing on building individual nations etc. from now on:
Regarding Australia, I picture North (or West?) Adelaide as a large West Berlin.
And the AUC date? I thought that Romanists - as they hark back to the Roman Empire - would at least take up the epoch "Ab Urbe Condita". This is why the map also has an Ab Urbe Condita (AUC) date.
Now for the nitpicking:
Europe
When did the Netherlands go Red?
Why the autonomous region in Ruthenia?
I think South Macedonia should go to Greece.
What is with the independent Crete?
I also think that Belarus should be independent (kind of like how Austria and Germany aren't allowed to unite)
Africa:
What is the state next to Rwanda and Burundi?
Why did Ethiopia get screwed so badly?
I like the Togoland-Benin as part of the metropole idea, but I think that Namibia and Tanzania should be independent.
Not a nitpick, but that Cyrenaica is beautiful.
Asia:
Are there two Communist Chinas?
I see that ITTL, instead of the "darn Kazakh border" we have the "darn North Siberian border"
Is that a czarist Russian empire in Central Asia, or the last remnant of *Nazi!Russia!?
For Montana, I'd recommend using the internals on this map:
Why does Syria not have Damascus?
I have no criticisms of Australasia.
The Americas:
Independent Tocantins? Im curious about how that happened.
I was thinking about having part of Guiana be conceded to the USA
Although I understand why, that North-south Peru border is not aesthetically pleasing.
How did Germany get the canal zone?
Is that an independent Newfoundland? Yay!
I apologize for the rambling
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At first it seems like rambling, but at the end, you asked a slew of questions. Could have ordered them (e.g. by a list with dots), but no problem in answering them. I don't have complete answers for all of them.
I had them go communist in order to plausibly explain a Netherlands-in-Exile in the Caribbean. The idea was pretty spontaneous, but it likely had to do something with alliances in or shortly before World War II. Or a French-inspired revolution in the interwar period, or both.
That's (North) Bukovina as far as I know, and Poland is a Catholic theocracy basically. Maybe somebody could clear me up whether Bukovina is Catholic - I thought it was Orthodox, and thus, they are not trusted.
Maybe @Augenis or @Jan Olbracht know more about Bukovina?
I thought about that myself... why do you prefer Macedonia to a Thracian nation or an international zone?
I thought about that, too, and if more support comes forth, I may implement that after all.
That's Kivu, in OTL one of the most conflict-prone areas in the world. It was separated from the rest of Congo and ruled from Deutsch-Ostafrika.
Don't see that bad of a situation to be honest - I could have balkanised Ethiopia. I did split parts off as Ethiopia, as it is (majority-)Orthodox, was an ally of Fascist Russia.
I did think of an independent Tanzania (Namibia, in my opinion, is more unlikely), but I would keep Zanzibar German. We'll see whether more people support an independent Tanzania.
Yes, and even more if you count all states containing territory of OTL China. The difference between Pink and Orange China is that the orange one is more industrialised and tertiary-sector already, closer to Japan, and more libertarian socialist while the pink one is more agrarian and heavy industry dominated, and thus a pretty syndicalist state.
That internal straight border? As the area is mostly unsettled, I thought this was a plausible solution. But it could become an AH meme in this timeline.
Czarist. If you want to find *Nazi!Russia, the Kola Peninsula comes closer (though that is just your bog standard military dictatorship, not much of ideological Rodzaevskyism left. Non-Russians are still oppressed though (not that there are many of them in this cold and mostly barren land))
I wouldn't know how to implement those, but if other people can help me, why not? I am open to revision of internal divisions.
As far as I can see, Damascus is Syrian.
That is a part of Mato Grosso plus the whole state of Mato Grosso do Sul. Tocantins is firmly part of Red Brazil.
When making the map, I was thinking about Guyana, too. I gave it the colour of Far-Left Guyana as it is close to many other far-left states and we could maybe try a People's Temple (or similar cultist wacko) Guyana...
I used the 10th meridian south for the border, and such a division is not unknown for peace treaties
Yep! Newfoundland is free and independent!
Honestly, I think Germany is the greatest power of this world, and the US is far more isolationist.
@mikroraptor , I might have misunderstood some questions as criticism which they were not.
Mostly fine, though Kangaroo Island should be part of Free Australia as well as Norfolk Island, due to Free Australia's control of the navy.I have now finished the world map, and thus I will start focusing on building individual nations etc. from now on:
Regarding Australia, I picture North (or West?) Adelaide as a large West Berlin.
And the AUC date? I thought that Romanists - as they hark back to the Roman Empire - would at least take up the epoch "Ab Urbe Condita". This is why the map also has an Ab Urbe Condita (AUC) date.
Also, assuming current population ratios between states, in 1940, with some population transfer, Free Australia should have about 1,750,000 people while East Australia has about 5,100,000 people. This is why I was thinking New Zealand should maybe merge with Free Australia, since NZ back then had a conservative government (not like nowadays), had about 1.6M people (About equal with Free Australia) and would fulfill parts of Free Australia's "Pacific Manifest Destiny". Also to equalize the population to make it more fair.
I'm not sure whether it would last till 2019, i'm just talking about soon after the Australian Civil War, so the 40s.
I'll give Kangaroo and Norfolk Island to Free Australia certainly, @YaaItsRewindTime , however, I don't picture Free Australia to be based on Manifest Destiny at all and I don't think much of merging Australia (in any form - whether republican, monarchist, socialist, communist or whatever else) with New Zealand in any form.
I agree with you that NZ should not stay part of Australia, just a temporary thing in the late 40s and early 50s that breaks apart soon later.
Free Australia's manifest destiny of the pacific only accomplishes part of itself in the 40s to 70s and the areas it took over gain independence in the mid 70s, leaving Australia how it was to begin with without an imperialistic tendency.
In your map (which is set in 2019), NZ should be completely independent like you have it now.
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