Die Alte Welt Hat Überlebt- A Central Powers Victory Collaborative Timeline

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Should we continue this? I started it for fun but I feel like I'm going nowhere. I have officially left this project in your hands. You guys can build on the lore, and I'll just drop in to see how it's going.
Hindustani Person’s revised Timeline
Here is my version of @KaiserEmu ‘s timeline

World War I
  • 1915- The Niedermayer-Hentig expedition to Afghanistan succeeds in making the nation join the Central Powers. The same year, Afghan troops take the Pashtun towns in Northwestern India, and Indian soldiers begin to mutiny. In Singapore, the Singapore mutiny succeeds and German U-Boats capture Singapore and the Straits.
  • 1916- The Australian battalions at Poziéres take the wrong route across the Albert-Bapaume road, and are soon all killed by German forces, who are now advancing well into France.Indian troops begin to rebel even more, and Punjab falls to rebels by the end of the year. The ‘Turnip Winter’ never happens because Germany has enough resources from France
  • February 1917: Germany does not reintroduce unrestricted submarine warfare; America never enters the war. The tsar is deposed in Russia as per OTL.
  • October 1917: The Bolsheviks come to power in Russia; they seek and obtain an armistice with Germany.
  • November 1917: With a bad harvest and little will left to fight, French soldiers mutiny en masse. In Italy, striking workers declare a socialist state in Milan.
  • December 1917: The Christmas Revolution in France sees much of Paris fall to a revived Commune. As uprisings spread and under pressure from the rebels and mutineers, the French government seeks an armistice with Germany.
  • February 1918: King George V dies at the hands of a union activist. Widespread strikes and riots force significant portions of the army to be recalled to maintain order. An anti-union movement begins among the returning soldiers, who eventually suppress the “Red Spring” by May.
  • April 1918: Russian revolutionaries conclude the Treaty of Vilnius, with Poland, Lithuania, the United Baltic Duchy, Belarus, Ukraine, Crimea and Kuban becoming independent under varying levels of German influence. Montana, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Dagestan become independent under Ottoman influence.
  • May 1918: Without much hope after France’s surrender and troubled by internal instability, Britain also seeks peace; Belgium, now effectively abandoned, follows suit.
  • The Treaty of Strasbourg is signed. The German Empire gains a few concessions in Africa on the grounds that Paul Von Lettow-Vorbeck already took them over
  • June 1918: The French Fourth Republic is proclaimed, adopting a constitution based on socialist principles.
  • August 1918: The Treaty of Strasbourg ends the war on the Western Front with German annexation of the French departments of Meurthe-et-Moselle, Belfort and parts of Vosges; the entire nation of Luxembourg, and the Belgian provinces of Liège and Luxembourg. Significant colonial concessions are also obtained, resulting in the creation of German Central Africa.
  • In order to crush the Milan Soviet, Austro-Hungarian forces temporarily occupy eastern Italy, while the rest of Italy continues to be under the king’s precarious rule.
Four years after it began, World War I is over. The Central Powers have won, but the world is far from at peace.


  • German puppet governments in Eastern Europe stabilise, mostly under German nobility and semi-authoritarian governments.
  • France falls into all-out civil war; while the socialists have secured much of the north and left-wing strongholds like Toulouse, much of the countryside remains under government control.
  • Under the leadership of Chancellor von Hindenburg, Germany cements its place in the post-war order. After seizing a vast colonial empire from the allies, he turns his attention to developing Germany’s spheres of influence in Eastern Europe, Africa and East Asia.
  • May 1919: Japanese-backed forces of the Anhui clique attempt to overthrow the Zhili government in Beijing. This forces the formerly pro-Japanese, republican Fengtian clique to deal with the devil and ally with the Zhili against a common enemy
  • September 1919: Emperor Karl I attempts to reform Austria-Hungary into a more democratic and equal system; he proposes two new sub-kingdoms be created in Bohemia (under the duke of Teschen) and Croatia (under Leo Stefan Von Habsburg). This backfires spectacularly, and Hungary declares independence, followed swiftly by Croatia. Austria-Hungary falls into civil war before the reforms are even enacted.
  • That very same month, the Delhi Conference is held, in which the Indian states and foreign powers decide the fate of the subcontinent. The large princely states keep their power as sovereign nations due to smart diplomacy
  • March 1920: A French-backed revolt sees the proclamation of the Commune of Wallonia; l’Armée Rougemarches across the border.
  • April 1920: Pro-German Fengtian and Zhili generals, urged on by Chancellor Hindenburg, attempt a coup against China’s republican government, installing the young Puyi as a puppet emperor. The Empire (of China) strikes back.
  • June 1920: The Cardiff Conference results in the “ten-point manifesto” of the British Proactive Movement
  • July 1920: The final government troops leave Marseilles for Algiers; the metropole is now under the control of the Republican Assembly.
  • August 1920: After their defeat in the war, Italy erupts into civil conflict, with a loosely-defined ideology centred around admiration of the Roman Empire gaining traction in the south.
  • December 1920: Romania takes advantage of the chaos in what was Austria-Hungary, seizing Transylvania and incorporating it into the Romanian state.
  • January 1921: The Khedivate of Egypt proclaims independence, now free of British rule. Since 1915, King Abbas of Egypt had fought against the British, hoping to see them all die. Still, Egypt is subservient to the Ottoman Empire.
  • February 1921- An anti-Semitic and anti-communist reactionary assassinated Lev Bronstein. Nikolai Bukharin is Lenin’s new successor.
  • March 1921: Planted rebels in Algiers rise up at the same time that French troops begin their assault on the city. The “Free French” government begins its long retreat to Dakar.
  • The commune of Algiers doesn’t last very long, and Tuareg rebels under Kaocen take over southern Algeria, Morocco the east, and Tripolitania the west
  • November 1922: The British general election sees the Proactivists gain the balance of power and enter government.
  • August 1923: The failed introduction of a package of economic reforms prompts the growth of labour revolts, anarchist communes and warlord states across Japan. The military, hampered by limits forced on it at Strasbourg, are unable to maintain control.
  • December 1923- Lenin dies. Bukharin, unable to control Russia well, faces the imminent White threat....
  • January 1924- Belarus’ regime falls to Bolshevik revolutionaries, backed by Moscow. In order to maintain influence there, Lithuania and Poland (backed by Germany) invade; a member of the house of Anhalt is placed on the throne due to the house’s distant connections to Belorussia’s old Rurik dynasty. Germany decides to invade the Soviets in retaliation, and as a measure to make sure that the Soviets do not influence any of their puppets in Eastern Europe- what with their insane ideas of the proles revolting, pfffffft!
  • March 1924- Carl Mannerheim, prime minister of the Kingdom of Finland, with German help, launches the Siege of Petrograd. Alexander Kolchak arrives in Moscow, his legs incredibly weak due to heavy shelling.
  • April 1924: After a series of attempts on his life, the Japanese Emperor flees to Sakhalin, where an imperial government-in-exile is established. The remainder of Japan is under no central authority, with pockets of almost every ideology imaginable established across the country.
  • August 1924: The four-year Italian Civil War draws to a close, with most of Italy now under the control of the Roman State. The Romanist Manifesto is issued; it mixes nostalgia for Roman culture with hopes for rapid industrialisation, all under a highly powerful executive.
  • September 1924: A vast and sprawling empire unto itself of protectorates, colonies and military districts, a central authority for Germany-in-Africa is established, yet it remains comparatively weak. As long as the rubber, copper and gold continues to flow out of the coastal ports, Germany is more or less content to leave Africa alone.
  • January 1925: After a period of rapid change in the leadership of the new France, the Sorelians come to power. The Sorelians, supporters of the ideas of Georges Sorel, believe in fierce patriotism, the elimination of the upper classes and their replacement by the former lower classes, the power of the state being exercised through labour unions, and to some extent Leninist and Marxist beliefs
  • September 1925: The British Proactivists intentionally bring down their coalition with the Conservatives to force a general election; they win a knife-edge majority after a dirty campaign on all sides.
  • 1925: Romanist parties begin to gain traction across southern Europe, especially in Spain and Greece.
A decade of civil wars, new ideologies and rapid change has resulted in an entirely different world to the one of twenty years ago. But as the 1920s draw to a close, the chaos is only beginning…


  • May 1930: May Day riots in major UK cities turn into what would become known as the Day of Bayonets, where the army and Proactivist paramilitaries ruthlessly crushed dissent. In the aftermath of the riots and massacres, Prime Minister Leese obtains authority from Parliament to govern by order-in-council, effectively making him a dictator. Regular renewals of this authority lend some legitimacy to the regime, although after all other parties are banned the passage of each measure becomes a mere formality.
  • June 1930: Leese kills all his old allies- including his former friend and critic, Winston Churchill, who disliked his anti-Semitic behaviour, and Oswald Mosley, of the National Syndicalist Union, who believed in greater cooperation with the French
  • August 1930: A failed Tsarist coup by former members of the Black-Hundreds and others makes the situation in Moscow even worse.
  • September 1930: Hungary declares war on Romania, swiftly invading and seizing most of Transylvania.
  • November 1931: A Romanist party wins the balance of power in Argentina, beginning their eventual takeover of the government there.
  • December 1931: In an alternate universe, the Statute of Westminster would be passed, granting the British Dominions almost total legislative independence. With the Proactivists in control, this never occurs.
  • May 1932: The Macedonian Republic, a Romanist government based in Salonica, sweeps across much of northern Greece with Italian backing. Six months later, a coup in Athens brings a military junta to power in the rump Greece; it has close ties to Rodzaevsky’s movement.
  • June 1933: Western Australia is officially constituted as a separate Dominion within the British Empire; more pro-Proactive than their eastern counterparts, the balance in Canberra begins to shift towards making moves for independence from London's increasingly overbearing dictats.
  • June 1933: A hitherto mostly unknown figure named Konstantin Rodzaevsky attempts a coup in Tsaritsyn, espousing radical Orthodox nationalist ideas, anti-Semitism and authoritarianism. His trial sees his public profile raised a hundredfold, and he is given a life sentence for disrupting peace.
  • September 1933: After
  • August 1936: Rodzaevsky is released from prison and quickly assumes his seat in the Duma, leading the All-Russian Patriotic New White Party as the third largest party in the Duma. His fevered speeches against Jews, ethnicgain him an even wider following.
  • May 1938: Black Thursday sees the Berlin Stock Exchange plummet. With it, much of the world economy crashes.
  • In the months following Black Thursday, Orthodox nationalists come to power in Romania, Bulgaria and Serbia. Most notably though…
  • June 1938: As Kolchak’s health worsens, Rodzaevsky is appointed the new President of the Council and Kolchak’s eventual successor. After Kolchak dies in September, Rodzaevsky appoints himself Minister-President and Vozhd.
With totalitarian regimes on the rise across the globe, war seems inevitable. But no one yet knows when they will be plunged into the abyss of another global conflict…
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So the HOI4 mod has been confirmed! The start date will be 1930.
The ideologies are-
Social Nationalism (Sorelianism, Socialism in one country)
Moderatist Socialism (Leon Blum’s France, India at the beginning)
Libertarian Socialism (Democratic Republic of Japan, Shinmin Anarchist Commune)
Democratic Socialism (socdems as well as more left-wing Corbyn types)
Authoritarian Democracy
Paternal Autocracy
National Legionarism (basically Fascism, credit to @AZNMAGICMAN )
So the HOI4 mod has been confirmed! The start date will be 1930.
The ideologies are-
Social Nationalism (Sorelianism, Socialism in one country)
Moderatist Socialism (Leon Blum’s France, India at the beginning)
Libertarian Socialism (Democratic Republic of Japan, Shinmin Anarchist Commune)
Democratic Socialism (socdems as well as more left-wing Corbyn types)
Authoritarian Democracy
Paternal Autocracy
National Legionarism (basically Fascism, credit to @AZNMAGICMAN )
Reallly! wow!
Reallly! wow!
I confirmed it :p
Some other details will be-
2 paths for Italy after Gabrielle D’Annunzio’s death, a crazy Romanist one under Julius Ebola, or a relatively moderate one under Italo Balbo.
Social Nationalist UK under Mosley.
MANY German paths, including a demsoc SPD path, a socnat Strasser path, a conservative Zentrum path, and so on!
I have some (WIP) maps of the Second World War ITTL:
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August 1942. the war begins with the Russian invasion of the United Baltic Duchy.
Montana and Kuban are occupied.
Rhomania invades Transylvania, and Greece invades Northern Epirus.
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November 1942
Lithuania joins the Axis
the U.B.D is annexed into Russia
Georgia is invaded
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february 1943
the invasion of Poland and Germany begin. Bukhovina rebels against the Polish government. Serbia invades Dalmatia, and the Romanist Pact joins the war.
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April 1943
Poland is near collapse. Bukhovina declares itself the Rusyn Free State, and invades Transcarpathia with the support of the Axis. at the same time, Czechoslovakia is invaded.
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June 1943
Communist uprisings begin in Germany, as France enters the war. in response, Proactivist Britain invades France and Ireland. the Romanists begin to make advances. Poland is uder a puppet regime.
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August 1943. The greatest extent of the offensive into Germany. The Allied Headquarters is moved to Vienna. Hellas undergoes a civil war between the pro-axis government, Hellenist rebels, and Socialists. Romanist offensives continue.
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October 1943. Proactivist and Romanist forces are starting to make headway in France. America enters the war, on the side of the allies after Japan joins the axis. Montenegro is entirely occupied by Romanist forces. Hellas becomes a part of the Romanist alliance.
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March 1944. with the Proactivists and the Romanists closing in, France joins the allies, on the condition that it has to withdraw from Germany, abandoning the VRD.
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May 1944. East Prussia is retaken from Lithuania. the Romanists withdraw from France, and the Proactivsts are forced to do the same. Russia is losing control over the Caucasus and Poland. Serbia withdraws from the Axis, and fights the Romanists on its own. Bulgaria is underattack from Ottoman and Hellenic forces.
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September 1944. the Eastern front has reached a stalemate. in the Balkans, Bulgaria now has two governments, a pro allied and pro axis one. Serbia is under military occupation, while Montenegro was seperated as a puppet state. Roman Illyria also annexed some land.
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May 1945. in OTL, WWII is over. in TTL, it's still ongoing. Bulgaria has joined the allies, and Kuban, Montana, Georgia, and the other Caucasus nations have been liberated. Rebellions in Finland have begun, and the Russian State is starting to break under the strain.
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July 1945. The stalemate is broken. Poland is almost entirely liberated, and Hungary is advanceing against Rhomania. The Rebellions across Russia grow stronger.
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August 1945. the Northern front is moving faster now, since the Finnish joined the allies. Slovenes use this time to revolt against the Romanists and the Austrians.
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January 1946. Rhomania is near collapse. Russia has had to deploy more troops to the east. Lithuania falls, and the Invasion of Russia begins in earnest (albeit very slowly)
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April 1946. the Eastern front is advancing rapdly, in part due to warmer temperatures, in part due to the Civil war. The Neo-Bolsheviks have finally reached their way west.
Rhomania collapses into anarchy due to food shortages, and the allies move in. Bukhovina is reannexed to Poland, and placed under brutal military occupation. Slovenia's independence is recognized, on the condition it joins the allies, and the Romanists withdraw from Serbia.
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May 1946. The Allies reorganize eastern Europe, giving some small border concessions to Poland and Ukraine, and founding the Baltoslavic Federation. Based off the failed kingdom of Lithuania-Belarus, Baltoslavia includes the soverign nations of Courland-Samogtia (renamed Latvia in the 80s), Lithuania, and Belorussia. Rodzhaevsky is losing control of Russia, and the allies are drawing closer to Moscow.
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September 1946. Britain offically declares acessation of hostilities, after having lost much of their already weakened colonial empire, and after the successful blockade of the home isles. the Romanists also sign a peace accord, though they continue to have their troops stationed at the borders. Rodzhaevsky is arrested attempiting to flee moscow in October, and the Neo-Bolsheviks sign a peace accord. the war is over.
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Countries of Europe in 1947. the allies occupy Western Russia for the rest of the year,as pro-rodzhaevskians are rounded up and put on trial. Germany and America wwill work together, at least for now, to rebuild Europe.
Finally finished with WWII! questions and criticism are welcome.
Poland vs the world

Inspired by the layers of Irredentism maps that have been popular on the main map thread, I made one for TTL's increasingly nationalist Poland.
Layer 1. Current borders of Poland.
Layer 2. Proposed merger with Lithuania.
Layer 3. Polish majority areas of Germany.
Layer 4. Areas of Germany with a significant Polish minority.
Layer 5. The rest of Baltoslavia, and areas of Ukraine with a Polish minority
I’m currently working on a writeup about German Mittelafrika- its government and armed forces.
Some features include but are not limited to
  • An African version of the Freikorps, essentially white Askari
  • Foreign legations
  • Native monarchies
  • African Gestapo
this will be fun.
(it won’t)
@mikroraptor @Red Arturoist