Correct.It's defensive West, offensive east, right? For the Confederacy?
Correct.It's defensive West, offensive east, right? For the Confederacy?
There is going to be a bounty on this guy....General Mason Mathews Patrick
*snort*Gonna make the assumption that you won't read about very many Southern war crimes in Wilson's books.
Yeah, I expect this war to have an underlying racial war undertone.Black families that were captured were, beginning on the 14th, catalogued and then moved across the Potomac into Virginia to be sold into slavery further south, most of them in the Confederate War Department's needs. The fate of Georgetown, rather than striking fear into Blacks north of the Ohio, galvanized them, and as enlistment opened up across the United States to "strike back," Black Americans volunteered at a rate far disproportionate to their share of the population..."
I think the most you'll get from Wilson is that the attacks were the product of a few unfortunate bad apples in an otherwise clean Confederate Army. That or "those uppity [blanks] got what was coming to them; if they hadn't have fought back they wouldn't have been slaughtered and sold back into slavery - which, after is, is their natural state of being of course."*snort*
I think that's a safe bet, but also a fools bet.
Besides, Maryland is in the South, and is lost territory, so to speak. They are just reclaiming what is theirs, after all. 🤨🙄
Oddily I can see that as a Wilson POV. "The reclaimation of Maryland began with..."
Great point. I would add that given there's no hint of a WWII (at least involving the USA vs CSA) this war does have a hint of finality that WWI didn't haveConsidering the recent update, and the fact that the Confederates attacked first, I think it's entirely possible that the GAW doesn't have the same cultural impact that the OTL WWI had- the American war at the very least against the CSA will be seen as a war against an evil enemy, and while the suffering will be traumatic it definitely won't be pointless.
And already, not even a week, the CSA is getting their shit pushed in. This bodes poorly for them.The Ohio National Guard, however, had prepared for this eventuality and returned fire, beginning a weekslong artillery duel across the river as soldiers sniped at one another from their respective sides. By the end of September, Covington would have largely been suppressed and it was realistic to start pondering an expansion of the bridgehead there; not so in Louisville, where the Indiana National Guard and gunboats from downstream continued to shell the city into submission for weeks thereafter to keep the city's considerable industrial base from being repaired and usable for Confederate forces, flattening much of the central city and eventually forcing the evacuation of much of the intact factories southwards..."
Okay this is hilarious .the idea of murder and rape going on In the background while Confederate officers are...geeking out about Classical paintings and statues and enjoying a nice day at the museum .Officers looted the Smithsonian Institution's galleries and collections
heartwarming admist the rivers of blood .it was self interest at the moment but I am sure many white Americans will remember there black comrades after the war fondly and that might make things better.A small militia had formed in Georgetown by the early morning of the 10th, ready to scrap with the Confederate Army as it marched into Washington from the west; many white residents of Washington joined them to defend their home, residents who would have turned them away from their own barbershops and general stores and agitated to deny them jobs at the Navy Yard just a week before.
and so Kentucky and Tennessee will suffer for the Crimes of Virginia. which to be fair they were probably going to do the same stuff anways so I don't mindIndiana National Guard and gunboats from downstream continued to shell the city into submission for weeks thereafter to keep the city's considerable industrial base from being repaired and usable for Confederate forces, flattening much of the central city and eventually forcing the evacuation of much of the intact factories southwards..."
Only TWO men have pissed off the Mimbari Federation. One was the reincarnation of their prophet. The other never met a nuke he didn't immediately love. And the Confederates don't have nukesThe proverbial arrogance and stupidity. Good thing they're only pissing off the Yanks and not the Minbari Federation, like the guys who ignored that warning.
Yeah no definitely notGonna make the assumption that you won't read about very many Southern war crimes in Wilson's books.
Yeah, there's definitely not a "why did this happen?!" or "not with a bang, but with a whimper" vibe to the US attitude towards the GAW.Considering the recent update, and the fact that the Confederates attacked first, I think it's entirely possible that the GAW doesn't have the same cultural impact that the OTL WWI had- the American war at the very least against the CSA will be seen as a war against an evil enemy, and while the suffering will be traumatic it definitely won't be pointless.
Yeah, exactly. As of right now, this is the last major peer vs. peer war I have planned for the US (though I've mulled having a round 2 with ur-integralist Brazil eventually, just not sure when or why, though I'd rather have it be an ideological struggle, a little mini-Cold War in the Americas)Great point. I would add that given there's no hint of a WWII (at least involving the USA vs CSA) this war does have a hint of finality that WWI didn't have
Glad you enjoyed that little aside! hahaOkay this is hilarious .the idea of murder and rape going on In the background while Confederate officers are...geeking out about Classical paintings and statues and enjoying a nice day at the museum .
heartwarming admist the rivers of blood .it was self interest at the moment but I am sure many white Americans will remember there black comrades after the war fondly and that might make things better.
and so Kentucky and Tennessee will suffer for the Crimes of Virginia. which to be fair they were probably going to do the same stuff anways so I don't mind
Busy being a French colony, I think.what is Taiwan doing?
If Taiwan was monarchist, yeah!Qing manuchria as Taiwan basically?
what is Taiwan doing?
basically minding there own business I guess
Yes!Busy being a French colony, I think.
Masterfully written.Nevins said it best.
"In short, the romantic delusions (as I see personally posted here) that had helped beguile the two sections into mutual butchery had been replaced by hard truths."
The political and social realities, both North and South, by 1915-16 could be unrecognizable. The Napoleonic atmosphere in Richmond could be replaced with a strange blend of Cavalier merry-making and Calvinistic desperation, for example, as in IOTL. The destruction, casualties, and shortages of War will do much to eliminate illusions among the radicals everywhere. Even Toombs and Keitt were forced to acknowledge the magnitude and weight of the struggle after a certain point.
The clique composed of the two Smiths, Tillman, and Scott could, at least privately, adopt the same sort of discourse the Baptist minister, Rev. H.A. Tupper of Washington, Georgia, espoused at Thanksgiving 1862. These are men, after all, not monolithic caricatures.
"Had it not been for our ignorance of the immense resources of the enemy -- the men he could bring into the field, the damage he could do to us, and the vast proportions of war would assume -- had it not been for our delusive hopes of dissensions among their parties; the uprising of their populace, their succumbing to national bankruptcy, of the necessity for European interference for King Cotton, and the efficiency of our 'militia of the seas' which were to penetrate into every ocean... would we have been so ready to plunge ourselves into the billows of blood?"
They will regretfully realize, like Walter Millis, despite the occupation of D.C., that War, in the age of Industry and Democracy, has simply lost its one saving grace -- decisiveness.