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I don't know if the CSA is a better place if Pitchfork Ben becomes POTCS, but it probably is a more interesting place with a guy who wasn't a mediocrity in charge in 1903.
He arguably wielded more power as pro tem than as POTCS, at least in practical terms. I'm basing this in part on how weak Southern governors often are/were, with the real power concentrated in the legislature (Texas is a good example of this IRL). So, the answer to your question really depends on who is pro tem instead of Tillman.

If it's, say, Vardaman... then we have a whole other can of worms that was just opened.
And thus another legends end. Many old players are leaving. Don't know how to feel about the newer younger ones.
Our old legends were once young up and comers themselves, after all!
 
18 de Enero
"...geography made the avenue of attack straightforwardly obvious. The amphibious landings at Mejillones forty miles north of Antofagasta were thus some of the bloodiest of the war so far, but the lessons learned at First and Second Iquique gave the joint task force of Marines, AEF soldiers and crack Peruvian companies sufficient covering firepower over the beaches for them to establish sufficient beachheads on the first day of the attack and drive six miles southwards into higher ground, and had completed their task of marching south to cut the Antofagasta garrison off from the Morro Moreno escarpment that guarded the bay on which the city sat, thus preventing any potential land-based attacks on the second, larger task force that landed at Antofagasta proper the next day. The subsequent battle took nearly seventy-two hours, but by its end the city was securely in Axis hands, with Chilean forces fleeing south by rail while they could to avoid being sandwiched between the seaborne Amero-Peruvian divisions and the Bolivian Army marching in from the east. On January 17, 1915, the Bolivian flag was raised over Antofagasta after more than three decades since it had been lost in the Saltpeter War, and unbeknownst to those there, that was not the only immediately important event occurring on that date in Chile.

Antofagasta was a hugely symbolic target, perhaps even more so than Iquique due to its role in totally cutting Bolivia off from the ocean. It had been seen in Chile as the crown jewel of its conquests in 1881 - indeed, perhaps the reason the war had begun to begin with - and it had been the heart of the global nitrate industry that had built Chilean wealth since. With it in American hands, the ability to supply Argentina via the Pacific and then Trans-Andean routes, while not particularly efficient, was now possible, and every month grew more sophisticated particularly as planes and blimps began to be deployed alongside donkey trains. [1] It also allowed Bolivia to begin turning its attention towards probing in the Acre Department of Brazil, pushing into the lowlands on its far eastern frontier which it had been forced to concede to its larger neighbor and opening up an irritating new front for the continent's budding hegemon, which also served to benefit the Argentines.

The Chilean Army had been adamant to the civilian government before the Sanfuentes Cabinet's mass resignation that the AEF was no longer the red-headed stepchild of the American war effort it had been for the entire summer of 1914 and that having cut its teeth in the violent disaster on the beaches of Iquique in September, it had beefed up its numbers and weaponry and now was a formidable, veteran and battle-hardened cadre that seemed to relish in its status as the misfit on the uncelebrated "fourth front" of the Army. To that end, General Boonen's missives had described a severely outmanned garrison in Antofagasta, which both Sanfuentes and then Riesco after him had each ignored. News of the Mejillones beachhead arrived to Boonen and he thereafter resolved that there was, quite simply, no way for the civilian government to credibly defend the Chilean republic. Antofagasta may have been a great distance from the capital - everything in Chile is at a tremendous distance north-to-south, with the fallen city being nearly seven hundred miles away - but it was not inconceivable that the Axis forces would now be able to march down the National Railroad and take Copiapo with Argentine support across the Andes, and then stage another landing at La Serena, and with that a land campaign for Santiago was not out of the question. Boonen gathered his staff on the evening of January 16th and informed them that the Army was, as discussed, going to take control of the capital as news of angry riots over Antofagasta's looming fall spread across Santiago and her environs, including an armed peasant's commune in the eastern foothills that threatened the ability of the Army to supply its hardened positions in the Uspallata Pass. And so, on January 17th, the so-called Boonen Putsch was put in motion, with the Inspector-General of the Army declaring in his Plan de Cuartel at the Santiago Barracks the formation of the "Committee of National Defense," of which he was to be "President Officer." It was generally well understood by all present that the long and noble history of constitutional government and the rule of law in Chile was with this declaration of a new governing body for the Republic that would focus "exclusively" on the conduct of the war essentially dead..."

- War in the Cone

"...studied as much for its flailing incompetence in its tactical execution as for its quick success in meeting its immediate operational objectives. The soldiers who were dispatched by Boonen were disciplined and understood their mission largely as being to secure order in the capital as it threatened to sink into anarchy similar to the Christmas riots; however, chaos rapidly spread. As the Presidential Palace of La Moneda was surrounded, a scuffle broke out between the soldiers sent to secure it and the Presidential Guard, who were not part of the regular Army but rather an elite constabulary paid for by the executive branch's accounts itself. President Riesco, curious and alarmed, approached a window on the second floor to see what was the matter, and a stray bullet struck him in the throat through the glass and he immediately collapsed, dead within moments. The freak nature of Riesco's death is the subject of considerable controversy in Chile to this day; that only his private secretary was witness to it and he subsequently disappeared a few weeks later, along with the ability of a stray shot to strike him so precisely, has fueled nearly a century's worth of conspiracy theories about the events of January 17-18 in Santiago. The angle of the shot and the chances of Riesco standing at just that window at just that exact moment have, as forensic and ballistics analysis have repeatedly shown, strongly suggest against his assassination as part of a conspiracy, but nonetheless his untimely death whether by accident or by murder badly destabilized a situation already spiraling out of control.

Suggesting against Riesco's killing as part of Boonen's plot is the fact that news of the President's death seems to have given the new would-be dictator of Chile cold feet as the putsch was happening, and only the fact that La Moneda and the halls of Congress had been successfully seized prevented him from balking entirely. Boonen's plan, after all, had been not to overthrow entirely the constitutional structures of Chile but rather supplant it by force for the remainder of the war; he envisioned himself a Cincinnatus rather than a Caesar. This somewhat delusional distinction between an all-out putsch and simply prying the oversight of the conduct of the war from civilian authority may seem immaterial to modern analysis, but was crucial in understanding Boonen's behavior during those heady January days. News of Riesco's death and soldiers in Congress led not to some embrace of this now Council of National Defense, as Boonen had hoped, but rather most of Congress resigning on principle, one by one, rather than be bossed around by the Army or potentially arrested. By the end of the day, the President lay dead, and Congress was a shell of itself as both conservatives of the old Coalition and the opposition elected not to legitimize what they regarded as an extra-constitutional farce by dealing directly with this "Council." Boonen had, in a matter of hours, essentially decapitated the Chilean government in the middle of a war. As this was, from all accounts, not what he had intended to do, it ranks second in the monstruous blunders made by Chilean policymakers during the summer of 1914-15 to the abdication of the entire Sanfuentes government in the span of an afternoon mere weeks earlier..."

- The Prussia of the West

"...Boonen's rise to serve as de facto President of Chile positioned Jorge Altamirano as the new Inspector-General of the Army, for Boonen and his new junta all agreed no man should hold both offices. Altamirano was a very different breed from the aristocratic Boonen; he came from middle-class roots and had a more reformist streak, sympathetic to the radicals and progressives of the Chilean Congress who were now handing in their resignations en masse as the constitutional order collapsed in the capital. As such, his promotion to Inspector-General and the resignations of a number of senior officers appalled by the coup created space for him to promote a cadre of his personal proteges to important posts on his staff, overnight transforming the Army's senior echelon from an old boys' club of sons and cousins of the most important landowners and oligarchs to a young, semi-revolutionary body upon which served names that would be hugely critical in Chilean history such as Carlos Ibanez, Arturo Puga, and of course Marmaduque Grove. [2] Puga was placed in charge of directing security for the new Committee of National Defense, particularly in Santiago, and his hesitance to arrest what would immediately emerge as the nucleus of political opposition essentially set the stage for all of Chilean history to come.

The early afternoon of January 18th, 1915 thus saw a country that had been transformed overnight. In the space of thirty hours, the Chile that had been and the Chile that would be were entirely different places, worlds apart. Antofagasta had been lost, the President was dead, the Army appeared to be in charge and Congress had self-dissolved before Boonen had a chance to. Nobody knew what would come next, and into that fray stepped Arturo Alessandri Palma, a young progressive lawyer and Deputy from Longavi. Alessandri was of the opposition to Sanfuentes, a reformist liberal democrat opposed to the oligarchic Coalition, but hardly a radical's radical. He was of upper-middle class extraction, well-educated but not intolerant of the working classes and land tenants. He was Catholic and personally quite devout, but no clericalist. And he was boundlessly ambitious, having been eyeing a run for the Presidency as early as 1916 despite being quite junior within his party, and if not he would settle for the consolation prize of a seat in the Senate - and he was not even fifty years old yet. Alessandri thus recognized advantage in the moment and gathered a group of supporters to a square near La Moneda, where perhaps the most famous speech in Chilean history and one of the most impactful in South American history was given.

The date of January 18th is celebrated in Chile precisely due to the Grito de 18 de Enero, in which Alessandri's supporters dragged out hastily-made coffins on which had been painted the words Coalicion and Oligarca, and an actual priest (Alessandri's parish priest, incidentally) read "last rites for the Oligarchy." In the ensuing speech, Alessandri with great flair called for "a revolution of the middle class, a revolution of democracy, a revolution of integrity, truth and possibility!" As much as the day before had marked the violent end of the old constitutional order, the 18 de Enero is what is honored with public holidays and major thoroughfares because it represented the possibility of what could come after the fall of the old Duopolist Coalition of landed conservatives and wealthy nitrate industrialist liberals. It is the date of death of the Old Republic not because of what died but what could live after, a promise made by Alessandri that Chileans, whether via the Socialist Republic or today's open democracy, have sought to deliver upon, and a pledge that made Alessandri immortal in his native country despite his very real shortcomings and flaws as a leader.

Alessandri's speech and the fact that he was not immediately arrested was in part due to Puga and other left-leaning officers' sympathy for him but also because he did not directly threaten Boonen or propose an armed insurrection; by the standards of the Socialists who would soon spill onto the scene to add another wrinkle to Chile's unraveling mess, the Grito de 18 de Enero was fairly tame and really just a proposal to institute some level of Alemist radical reforms. It was also something of a recognition that the war was likely lost, and a demand that civilian leadership reconstitute itself around the idea that they needed to come to terms with this and find a way to rapidly exit the war before the mounting problems became worse. To this end, Alessandri was not alone, and though he immediately became the most public face of opposition to both the Coalition as well as Boonen's junta, he was still junior enough to not be the leader of this opposition quite yet. Some of the most prominent liberal politicians and friends of Riesco had already gathered the night before and all morning to hash out next steps; the strong reaction to Alessandri's address on the 18th and the days after persuaded them that, indeed, there was a platform to peacefully oppose Boonen without tipping the country into civil war. The Figueroa brothers Javier and Emiliano immediately set to work putting together something of a government in internal exile, casting itself as a group for advocacy of civilian concerns parallel to the junta in theory but quietly challenging it in practice; the Figueroas were to the right of Alessandri but left of the Coalition, ironically right around the position of Boonen's provisional government. They were thus well-positioned to be the beneficiaries of any transition from military to civilian rule, sufficiently based in the needs of the middle class to not throw in with the true revolutionaries but also not tied enough to the Oligarchy whose time had clearly come to an end.

Not wanting to overplay their hand, though, the Figueroas acted perhaps too conservatively and too clever by half. They pointedly excluded Alessandri until it was no longer possible, allowing him to build his own base with what was left of the Radical Party, as they built out a "Provisional Council of the Republic" to serve as an alternative to Boonen's Committee. Hoping to serve as the power behind the throne and not take too much blame should things go awry, they steered into the Presidency of this council the octogenarian Alliance Senator Ramon Lucos Barros, who quickly set about promoting his own confidants to positions of authority around him, most importantly his new Chief Minister, Eliodoro Yanez, one of the most respected attorneys and Senators in the country, and tasking him with drafting a Constitution for his Council - a document which it was broadly understood would serve as the governing law of whatever new Chile emerged.

The immediate response, then, to Alessandri's populist polemic was unintentionally but effectively a talking shop for reformist but old and uninspiring lawyers who while not part of the oligarchy were nonetheless part of the establishment, an establishment that before long Alessandri himself would in many ways have become part of, and as a talking shop for old and uninspiring lawyers this "Provisional Council" seemed fairly toothless in addressing any of Chile's problems, not least the Boonen junta that mostly just ignored them or the key figures of the Oligarchy, both civilian and military, fleeing South while the broad but thin center bickered in Santiago..." [3]

- Between Two Chiles

"...responsibility for the strategic planning of the war thus fell largely on Pedro Pablo Dartnell, a German-trained infantry officer who had been among those most adamant that Antofagasta needed stronger reinforcements. With the city's fall, however, he began to suddenly change his tune, now suggesting instead that the focus of the war be entirely on protecting the Central Valley of Chile - where, to be fair, the supermajority of the country lived and where its crucial agriculture that would feed the civilian population was from - to the extent that he advocated evacuating the Andean passes entirely and making Santiago's hinterland a fortress. The strategic soundness of such a maneuver was debatable, of course, but Boonen overruled him quickly in one of the Committee of National Defense's first meetings after the putsch. Despite the relatively quiet action on that front for much of the war, Chile had indeed advanced further into Argentinean territory than the other way around even if not by much, and he was not about to see the only gains Santiago had realized surrendered. Beyond that, Boonen remained fearful of an Argentine offensive into Chile should they sense weakness. The Chilean mountaineer corps remained thus in the Andes, leaving the most elite soldiers unavailable to Dartnell and Altamirano until they absolutely had to be brought down to Santiago when there was simply no other choice.

Ironically, Boonen had shot himself in the foot more than he realized. Even if he had pulled Chilean forces down from the Andes, Argentina had thinned their forces on their lines considerably to prepare for battles to come on their front with Brazil. He had thus left his best men "counting llamas," as the joke went [4], when Argentina would never have been in a position to take advantage of a drawdown anyways..."

- War in the Cone

[1] More on this later.
[2] The first but not last time you'll see these names, including that of Marmaduque Grove, arguably the best name in the history of names.
[3] Sustainable!
[4] A line from one of my favorite films, The Secret in their Eyes
 
Chile perfomance in this entire war made the CSA look stellar in comparison. At least CSA temporarily occupy large swath of US territory including DC. What Chile gain so far? Few miles patch of wasteland beyond the Andes. I'm afraid in the future, pop history at least will consign them as the butt joke of Bloc Sud , essentialy our Italy in otl ww2. Their pre war shiny navy and elite mountain corps end up nothing show will not help either.

Also as the clear loser in conflict, anything that off gain from Brazil, the US will try to compesate it from Chile just to reward their allies. Brazil surely prefer Chile is the one who pay the price in peace treaty to keep their gain in Uruguay.

Aside from territories like Tierra del Fugo, Far North Chile, and some mountain passes in the Andes what further loses for Chile realistically can happen? Maybe complete domination of their ecomony by US companies, Reparation here and there, US military base in the country, naval and/or army limit? Or even maybe further land loses to the neighbouring countries.
 
It's really hard to see the fall of Chile. Just a few decades ago they managed to go toe to toe with the United States and come out on top. It really seems that the Bloc Sud is making all mistakes that are possible. The CSA front is still acceptable but in the Mexican Front, there was a declaration of war in such an unprepared state that they practically lost vast swathes of the North practically without a fight. Chile, oh poor Chile, they lost a naval battle that they could have won, waited on the Andean front when they could have severely crippled Argentina. Had the Brazilian and CSA fleet combined, we possible could have had major battles with the USN.

Here we are seeing that the Indian freedom struggle is becoming more and more violent, what is the state of the Indian National Congress? Are we heading towards a new war of independence?
1. UK Royal Navy (Obviously)
2. France's Marine Imperiale
3. USN
4. Germany's Kaiserliche Marine
5. Tie between Italy/Austria
6. Japan
7. Russia (lots of ships but nobody knows what exactly they can do)
8. CSA
9. Spain
10. Brazil
11. Argentina
12. Netherlands
13. Mexico
....
Bottom of Ocean: Chile
Where would Chilean Navy been had it been afloat as before the war? Are the Ottomans and the Greeks not going for Dreadnoughts? I guess that they should have a fleet which at the very least make into the list. Imagining them having a fleet poorer than the Dutch is difficult, more so as they beat Russia and must surely be in a better financial condition as shown in the updates named Hamidian era and probably better economic condition due to the Balkans, which are a great place for industrialization centered around Constantinople.
 
Chile perfomance in this entire war made the CSA look stellar in comparison. At least CSA temporarily occupy large swath of US territory including DC. What Chile gain so far? Few miles patch of wasteland beyond the Andes. I'm afraid in the future, pop history at least will consign them as the butt joke of Bloc Sud , essentialy our Italy in otl ww2. Their pre war shiny navy and elite mountain corps end up nothing show will not help either.

Also as the clear loser in conflict, anything that off gain from Brazil, the US will try to compesate it from Chile just to reward their allies. Brazil surely prefer Chile is the one who pay the price in peace treaty to keep their gain in Uruguay.

Aside from territories like Tierra del Fugo, Far North Chile, and some mountain passes in the Andes what further loses for Chile realistically can happen? Maybe complete domination of their ecomony by US companies, Reparation here and there, US military base in the country, naval and/or army limit? Or even maybe further land loses to the neighbouring countries.
The CSA and Mexico are doing quite well, all things considered. They’ve held their own despite huge disadvantages. Chile was simply the albatross of the group resting on its laurels. Makes them easy for Brazil to eventually fling under the bus, too!

Yeah, the upside of what can be pried off of them is fairly limited in the end. The North and South of Chile have straightforward places that can get peeled off
Well, Chile aint gonna recoger from it's downward spiral anytime soon
It’s about to get much worse
It's really hard to see the fall of Chile. Just a few decades ago they managed to go toe to toe with the United States and come out on top. It really seems that the Bloc Sud is making all mistakes that are possible. The CSA front is still acceptable but in the Mexican Front, there was a declaration of war in such an unprepared state that they practically lost vast swathes of the North practically without a fight. Chile, oh poor Chile, they lost a naval battle that they could have won, waited on the Andean front when they could have severely crippled Argentina. Had the Brazilian and CSA fleet combined, we possible could have had major battles with the USN.

Here we are seeing that the Indian freedom struggle is becoming more and more violent, what is the state of the Indian National Congress? Are we heading towards a new war of independence?

Where would Chilean Navy been had it been afloat as before the war? Are the Ottomans and the Greeks not going for Dreadnoughts? I guess that they should have a fleet which at the very least make into the list. Imagining them having a fleet poorer than the Dutch is difficult, more so as they beat Russia and must surely be in a better financial condition as shown in the updates named Hamidian era and probably better economic condition due to the Balkans, which are a great place for industrialization centered around Constantinople.
My thinking on Chile on this war was always that they were the BS power most clearly already on the downswing and the easiest to isolate and defeat; that being said, the War in the Cone is far from over.

D’oh how did I forget the Ottomans?! I even have a dreadnought race update on them soon. Bleh. They’d be just outside of that Top Five I think, maybe a tick behind Japan. Incidentally, Chile would probably have been right around there prewar, probably; though Brazil/CSA/Arg were well on their way to surpassing them at that point anyways

On India - yes we are. The INC’s hardline (Garam, I believe? Will need to check my notes) has muscled its way forward with Lal-Bal-Pal mostly in charge, and even Motilal Nehru is a bit more militant. That said they’re not the only show in town in the way they were OTL at this point. The Ghadarites are obviously the big name among the true radicals, but the Swarajis (where there’s a fair deal of overlap with Congress) have a considerably greater presence, too.
 
To the Knife: The Confederacy at War 1914-15
"...and with a new Chief of Staff at the ASO, the Army of the East was keen to add a major victory on land to build upon the successful defense of Fredericksburg the previous autumn. The Battle of the Quantico Wood was simply the centerpiece and most famously horrifying episode of the ten-day Occoquan Offensive in which Dade's army, spearheaded by two elite corps commanded directly by General John Lejeune, thrust across the static line of trenches and makeshift defenses and punched directly into the wet pinelands around the Quantico Creek, cutting off a whole division of Yankees south of this offensive near Aquia and, after successfully driving through the woods in forty hours of bloody, close-combat fighting, isolating another division and a half at Possum Point that were subsequently surrounded and destroyed; in the opening days of fighting, the enemy suffered close to thirty thousand killed, wounded or captured.

The decision to encircle and eliminate those cornered at Possum Point and attempt to sink their evacuation ships on the Potomac to prevent their rescue did slow the drive of Lejeune's corps northwards towards Alexandria, which delayed the second thrust through Manassas. The purpose of the counteroffensive was thought in Richmond to be to drive the Yankee into the Potomac if he would not go back across it; in the end, despite a near-breakthrough in Manassas aimed at Chantilly, Lejeune and via him Dade were able to secure the right bank of the Occoquan, which quickly turned into the front line of the theater once again. Kernan was impressed with what he saw - his men had, in frigid February weather, shown initiative, creativity and grit in achieving short-term tactical victories and a strategically beneficial position in pushing the front backwards by twenty miles. His only concern was the sharp casualties that the Confederate Army had taken, particularly in the failed Manassas breakthrough - twelve thousand deaths across a theater in every pitched battle was utterly unsustainable, and he noted as such to both President Smith and the new, more aggressive and less patient Congressional leadership in Richmond..."

- To the Knife: The Confederacy at War 1914-15
 
Uffda, the Union took 30k to the Confederacy's 12k, and lost twenty miles of ground? The Eastern front really is really turning into a slogfest and grind. It's actually nice to see the Union suffer some losses; we know they have the advantage, but even a dominant side is going to make mistakes and have some really bad engagements. It does make me think that the martial tradition of the South means their army is probably more professional and competent than the Union (though the meddling of Richmond does underccut this) and that it's biggest problem is that its just being dwarfed by the US Army's size and the depth of their conscription rolls.
 
Uffda, the Union took 30k to the Confederacy's 12k, and lost twenty miles of ground? The Eastern front really is really turning into a slogfest and grind. It's actually nice to see the Union suffer some losses; we know they have the advantage, but even a dominant side is going to make mistakes and have some really bad engagements. It does make me think that the martial tradition of the South means their army is probably more professional and competent than the Union (though the meddling of Richmond does underccut this) and that it's biggest problem is that its just being dwarfed by the US Army's size and the depth of their conscription rolls.
That’s definitely what the issue for the CSA is - they’re definitely the more professional and better trained side (though it’s not like the US just hurls human waves at them, and the Yankees are getting fairly innovative as they go along) it’s just that they lack not just the manpower resources but the material resources to go Mano-a-Mano as the US starts to go from fourth to fifth to sixth gear
 
D’oh how did I forget the Ottomans?! I even have a dreadnought race update on them soon. Bleh. They’d be just outside of that Top Five I think, maybe a tick behind Japan. Incidentally, Chile would probably have been right around there prewar, probably; though Brazil/CSA/Arg were well on their way to surpassing them at that point anyways
So the Ottomans are building more than the initial 2 dreadnoughts they ordered from thw UK? I guess they gotta keep pace with Italy, Austria and Russia and being in a substantially better position economically allows them to do so.
 
That’s definitely what the issue for the CSA is - they’re definitely the more professional and better trained side (though it’s not like the US just hurls human waves at them, and the Yankees are getting fairly innovative as they go along) it’s just that they lack not just the manpower resources but the material resources to go Mano-a-Mano as the US starts to go from fourth to fifth to sixth gear
Thats what the CSA gets for keeping a third of their population enslaved.
 
Man, whoever was in charge of the American units in northern VA needs to be sacked post haste. In an environment where every advantage is skewed towards the defensive you somehow manage to lose both land AND 2.5x as many casualties?

That general makes Burnside look competent, which takes real effort.
 
So the Ottomans are building more than the initial 2 dreadnoughts they ordered from thw UK? I guess they gotta keep pace with Italy, Austria and Russia and being in a substantially better position economically allows them to do so.
Oh yeah. Italy and Austria will each have 8 by 1920 under their current naval procurements and the OE needs to keep pace.
Thats what the CSA gets for keeping a third of their population enslaved.
Yeah I will admit I don’t feel too bad about keeping my thumb on the scale when it comes to the CSA. Fuck ‘em.
Man, whoever was in charge of the American units in northern VA needs to be sacked post haste. In an environment where every advantage is skewed towards the defensive you somehow manage to lose both land AND 2.5x as many casualties?

That general makes Burnside look competent, which takes real effort.
It’s Liggett who’s still at the head of ACS, though as we’ll see in an update soon that won’t be for long after the Quantico debacle and now with a new head man (Stimson) at the War Department who has more breathing room to think about who should command where than Goff did when he took over a year earlier
 
Won't Italy have more than 8?
Assuming Italian construction follows OTL there would be Dante Alighieri, the 3 Conti de Cavour class (Conti de Cavour, Giulio Cesare, Leonardo da Vinci), and the 2 Andrea Doria class (Andrea Doria, Duilio). The 4 Francesco Caracciolo-class ships would also be done by 1919 under peacetime construction without a war consuming Italian industrial attention.

 
The INC’s hardline (Garam, I believe? Will need to check my notes) has muscled its way forward with Lal-Bal-Pal mostly in charge
The Lal-Bal-Pal trio never really advocated for full on armed revolution but a form of nationalism which was quite assertive and were the building blocs of the strategy, that Gandhi took to new heights.
but the Swarajis (where there’s a fair deal of overlap with Congress) have a considerably greater presence, too.
Given the attitude of the British ITTl, why is the Swaraj and Swadeshi Movement separate from the Congress at all? Ghadar movement and Anusihlan Samiti can carry out the revolutionary activities, but the Congress loyalist faction should be declining every year and Swaraj and Swadeshi should have been adopted as it was done in OTL in 1906 and there should not have been any split in the party as occurred after 1907 and the foundation of the Home Rule League. Wil there be something like the Government of India Act, 1909 ITTL?
D’oh how did I forget the Ottomans?! I even have a dreadnought race update on them soon. Bleh. They’d be just outside of that Top Five I think
They must have a fleet capable of smashing the Greeks and go head on with the Russian Black Sea Fleet and be taken seriously by the other Mediterranean Fleets. How is France still having the second largest navy despite the fact that they need a large Army to face Germany. I don't think that there is any understanding like the Entente Cordiale. France has better demographics than OTl, how does it compare with the Germans now?

How are the Koreans doing, will they become another power in the East or will they just survive this time without getting invaded by anyone?
 
So if Alessandri is Kerensky; I'm guessing that this new Provisional Council of the Republic is supposed to be Grand Duke Mikhail? On the plus side it does seem that Chile will revert to back to some form of democratic normality. It could either be indicative of the fact that the Socialist Republic didn't last long enough to set down roots or it did but that there are certain liberal political traditions that lasted for much longer.
 
I wish I'd found about him sooner, because this guy would have been a fascinating addition to the timeline. I can't find how he died, so I'm unsure if it can be butterflied to live longer. But I thought I'd leave you all with Georg Ratzinger - German priest, politician, economist, historian and scholar. (And, yes, he is the uncle of THAT Ratzinger)

 
Won't Italy have more than 8?
Assuming Italian construction follows OTL there would be Dante Alighieri, the 3 Conti de Cavour class (Conti de Cavour, Giulio Cesare, Leonardo da Vinci), and the 2 Andrea Doria class (Andrea Doria, Duilio). The 4 Francesco Caracciolo-class ships would also be done by 1919 under peacetime construction without a war consuming Italian industrial attention.

Ah shoot the Caracciolos were what I'd forgotten. So 12, then. That means AH likely scrambles to get 12 by 1919 then, too (though with French naval capacity on the other side of Italy they might not feel the same need). Italy would also have the 4 Regina Elena pre-dreads out there too, of course. Generally, I've always presumed ITTL with a less pronounced naval arms race between UK and Germany and several shipyards building dreads for overseas, many countries procure the ships more slowly.

Because my math on AH comes out to:

4 Tegetthofs (1911-15ish)
4 Ersatz Monarch (1914-19ish) (these were the ones cancelled by WW1 IOTL)

So the Austrians have eight dreads, plus the 3 Radetzky pre-dreads and the Erherzog Karls, which would be pretty obsolete by 1919/20. That said, the Austrians were always more of a land power, so they probably feel comfortable about their position in the Mediterranean with their alliance with France and traditionally sound relations with the Ottomans.
The Lal-Bal-Pal trio never really advocated for full on armed revolution but a form of nationalism which was quite assertive and were the building blocs of the strategy, that Gandhi took to new heights.

Given the attitude of the British ITTl, why is the Swaraj and Swadeshi Movement separate from the Congress at all? Ghadar movement and Anusihlan Samiti can carry out the revolutionary activities, but the Congress loyalist faction should be declining every year and Swaraj and Swadeshi should have been adopted as it was done in OTL in 1906 and there should not have been any split in the party as occurred after 1907 and the foundation of the Home Rule League. Wil there be something like the Government of India Act, 1909 ITTL?

They must have a fleet capable of smashing the Greeks and go head on with the Russian Black Sea Fleet and be taken seriously by the other Mediterranean Fleets. How is France still having the second largest navy despite the fact that they need a large Army to face Germany. I don't think that there is any understanding like the Entente Cordiale. France has better demographics than OTl, how does it compare with the Germans now?

How are the Koreans doing, will they become another power in the East or will they just survive this time without getting invaded by anyone?
My thinking/understanding (and I'm open to correction because Indian history is not my strong suit) is that Swadeshi was so tied up in Gandhi that keeping him out of India (he stays in SA ITTL) butterflies that movement's main leader. Subsequently, within the INC you have the more militant Swarajis, who are also a political party within the broader Congress, as well as the "loyalists" who still want some kind of soft Home Rule within the British umbrella. My understanding of how Congress operated at this time was as sort of a big tent organization that included all kinds of leagues and bodies, rather than the structured political entity of today. Bear in mind too that there was no Viceroy Curzon, as his career remained in the UK, so Bengal was never partitioned, so the Muslim League is considerably weaker.

Some kind of weak India Councils Act has been promulgated and efforts to hire more Indian civil servants pushed along, but the harder-edged conservative governments in Britain and the Hardinge assassination precluded anything like the 1909 Act.

Yes, the Ottoman naval thinking will be expounded on here pretty soon (next few updates, in fact). Russia's Black Sea fleet is a bit smaller than OTL, they basically just decided to ignore the Treaty of Paris eventually and dare Britain/France to do something about it, but the Russians are still formidable even if they're well behind OTL in battleship construction.

France is... stretched pretty thin, as you allude to. They have better demographics for sure - keeping Alsace and their habit of using foreign women as brood mares for lay missionaries etc has bumped their numbers up a bit. Here we have the 1910 world demographic estimates:


France is at about 47 million in 1910, whereas Germany is at 65 million. So a substantial spread, but not as acute as OTL's. France's maintenance of a huge fleet (primarily in the Med to guard sea lanes to their Suez Canal and then in their overseas empire) has racked up huge debts along with their huge army, so they are in an increasingly dire position as the decade advances and all the things they want to spend money on mount. Remember, they went through a gnarly economic crisis in the early 1890s, too, after their golden decade.

The Koreans are independent, still, but are on paper somehow simultaneously a French protectorate via their concession at Busan and a semi-condominium with Russia and Japan. I haven't entirely decided on their long term prognosis, other than that they aren't getting annexed by anyone. The smart thing for them to do would be to cozy up to Russia and the friendly Americans (who through missionary work are held in high esteem in Seoul) to prevent Japan getting any funny ideas.
So if Alessandri is Kerensky; I'm guessing that this new Provisional Council of the Republic is supposed to be Grand Duke Mikhail? On the plus side it does seem that Chile will revert to back to some form of democratic normality. It could either be indicative of the fact that the Socialist Republic didn't last long enough to set down roots or it did but that there are certain liberal political traditions that lasted for much longer.
The parallels to White Russia aren't necessarily one-to-one, but Kerensky is something of a very loose inspiration for Alessandri, yes. (I don't know if that makes Boonen a Kornilov, since he's not exactly a restorationist of the old regime)
I wish I'd found about him sooner, because this guy would have been a fascinating addition to the timeline. I can't find how he died, so I'm unsure if it can be butterflied to live longer. But I thought I'd leave you all with Georg Ratzinger - German priest, politician, economist, historian and scholar. (And, yes, he is the uncle of THAT Ratzinger)

If nothing else, this Ratzinger could be an influence on left-clericalism as it exists in Europe
 
Ah shoot the Caracciolos were what I'd forgotten. So 12, then. That means AH likely scrambles to get 12 by 1919 then, too (though with French naval capacity on the other side of Italy they might not feel the same need). Italy would also have the 4 Regina Elena pre-dreads out there too, of course. Generally, I've always presumed ITTL with a less pronounced naval arms race between UK and Germany and several shipyards building dreads for overseas, many countries procure the ships more slowly.
Has the Terni Scandal been butterflied away?
France's maintenance of a huge fleet (primarily in the Med to guard sea lanes to their Suez Canal and then in their overseas empire) has racked up huge debts along with their huge army, so they are in an increasingly dire position as the decade advances and all the things they want to spend money on mount. Remember, they went through a gnarly economic crisis in the early 1890s, too, after their golden decade.
What's the status of the British Mediterranean Fleet in comparison to the French one? In OTL Fisher envisioned massive submarine forces to be used in this area, and TTL Confederate tactics are certainly going to affect the British naval planning quite a lot, for obvious reasons.
 
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